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I recently had an American semi-aquaintance patriot who is on the Patriot Shortwave radio broadcasts on a regular basis and who is very reliable and trustworthy. He is well-known in the circles and a very familiar personality and an excellent reporter who is very good at digging up the truth. He told me that according to some of his most trustworthy sources who have never proven to be wrong that approximately 30% to 40% of F.B.I. agents are of the Mormon faith. There is something macho or very traditional American for Mormons to want to work for the F.B.I. The Mormons haver always been known to be fiercely loyal to America and very patriotic. This is neither my personal reflections on Mormonism or the F.B.I. There have proven to be good and bad "apples" in every group. Isn’t it a Mormon mandate that all practicing Mormons have to have at least one years’ survival rations in store for an anticipated and probable time of coming chaos? I personally base my survival preparations on a coming time of chaos also. I believe in the coming tribulation period of the Holy Bible and a very probably time of chaos before the tribulation period. These are my personal beliefs but I constitutionally respect your right to see things as you wish or to worship as you wish , though I might not agree with you. I also respect a Mormon’s right to worship under our great constitutionally governed freedoms and liberties. So if the F.B.I. does decide to round up so-called dissidents and probably "survival extremists" at Y2K or some other time period they will have to start "cleaning out" the office first. What I do I do in the name of my constitutionally guaranteed freedoms and liberties to worship as I please. Before you buy.
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He told me that according to some of his most trustworthy sources who have never proven to be wrong that approximately 30% to 40% of F.B.I. agents are of the Mormon faith.
Interesting information. Can you verify it? Can your semi-acquantance on the radio provide exact demographic proof of his claims? Does he have the latest hiring reports and statistics that back up his words? When these things are shown and proven THEN I will believe the numbers, but not til then. I have no idea if its true or not, but being Mormon, I understand the mindset and belief systems, and see no reason why anyone wouldn’t want to serve our country in this way, if so inclined.. It comes down to _doing what’s right_. There is something macho or very traditional American for Mormons to want to work for the F.B.I.
Well, most of my Mormon friends I consider patriotic, or they have proven themselves loyal to their country in countless ways, and I have known several that have served in high places, including the secret service. It comes to trust, and ability to do a job knowing that you must always be an example of your beliefs. It seems that Mormons even get mentioned in fictional tales in these career areas, and even Tom Clancy has used them in this area in some of his fictional Techno-thrillers. The Mormons haver always been known to be fiercely loyal to America and very patriotic.
Yes they have….and they have also been TARGETS of the government at various times, and various groups of people who did NOT respect their beliefs (such as the Watchman Fellowship, though it wasn’t the Fellowship doing the killing in the 1800’s)….to the point of lynching, murder, and bounties. Check the history of the church….its all in there. They still now fully support this nation, and always will. They will be among the first to volunteer to help in times of trouble. When the F5 twister tore thru this part of Alabama in April 98, more then 500 church members gathered one saturday in the Birmingham fairgrounds to be bussed to the part of town most in need, to help with cleanup and support of the damaged areas. I was overly touched by such a massive outlay of good people to help those with so much need. When the Prez and VP showed up in town….it was just words, and inaction. They’re being here in the area to "show support" ACTUALLY stopped work as roads and highways were CLOSED as they did their little "press opps" in front of devastated neighborhoods. Trucks with supplies, manpower, and FOOD stood at a standstill for a couple of hours as these dipwads did their talking head bits to "show concern". Then FEMA came in and offered support to those who lost everything, offering loans at outrageous rates, and impossible repayment schedules to some, in exchange for helping PARTIALLY rebuild long term homesteads again that had been paid off for years. I know who *I* trust more. This is neither my personal reflections on Mormonism or the F.B.I. There have proven to be good and bad "apples" in every group.
Very true…even in this newsgroup. Isn’t it a Mormon mandate that all practicing Mormons have to have at least one years’ survival rations in store for an anticipated and probable time of coming chaos?
No, its not _mandated_….but highly suggested, and help and planning offered, as well as mass buys of product in various wards across the country. Its not just for their families, but also to help in any situation, including others who may need assistance in times of disaster. The more one can take care of one’s self, the less burden on others, and the more good work and help to others can be done as needed. I also respect a Mormon’s right to worship under our great constitutionally governed freedoms and liberties.
Thank you. Wish all the really obtuse guys who DIDN’T think that felt that way….like the HRT. So if the F.B.I. does decide to round up so-called dissidents and probably "survival extremists" at Y2K or some other time period they will have to start "cleaning out" the office first.
Look at all the reports of police, firefighters, soldiers, programmers, pilots, and all the others who will be hunkered down the end of December waiting to see what happens. Hell, even the prez has a Y2k bunker HE’LL be at when Y2k goes down…as do MANY of the largest Metropolitan areas of this nation. They won’t clean out their own house first because they might need the manpower, or maybe they already have…having the phsycological profiles on every person they hire, they already know who MIGHT be suspect in events that may be oncoming. Sure, those on the beat and in the street, will have their hands full, but the idea is to round up the BAD guys, and most probably in the ‘hoodz’, where most crime already occurs….not the guys with different ideas or philosophies just because they like to THINK. My job puts me in the heart of some of the ‘hoodz’ in central Alabama…everyday. And yes, some really bad corners and streets. I deal with it, with nothing more than pepper spray and a good heart, and quick eyes…Ain’t been hurt yet, but ANY day might be the day…so I deal with it as a possible, but NOT a probable. I ’spect’ I’ll see some interesting sights this winter season.. The bad guys have, or will, set them selves apart very obviously, and will be the first ones in custody. The normal folks like you and me ( I hope ), will have some tough times, but shouldn’t see it locked up in some great barbwire encampment in some abandoned sports facility, such as the Astrodome of the local college campus. What I do I do in the name of my constitutionally guaranteed freedoms and liberties to worship as I please.
Of course, those "guaranteed" freedoms are "guaranteed" only as long as those in power decide to LET them be freedoms. And time will tell….soon….what will be the real outcome of all this. Just my comments…again….on this subject. Whenever the word MORMON gets brought up in this newsgroup, there seems to be a SURGE on peoples OBSERVATIONS and COMMENTS about good and bad ones they’ve known. They’re allowed, as long as MY comments are allowed to respond. Yep…that old constitutional thingie again. As long as we _have_ one. Best wishes, Richard Founder – SurvivalRing http://www.survivalring.org "Trust thyself. Every heart vibrates to that iron string. Accept the place that devine providence has found for you; the society of your contemporaries, the connection of events." R.W. Emerson
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I recently had an American semi-aquaintance patriot who is on the Patriot Shortwave radio broadcasts on a regular basis and who is very reliable and trustworthy. He is well-known in the circles and a very familiar personality and an excellent reporter who is very good at digging up the truth. He told me that according to some of his most trustworthy sources who have never proven to be wrong that approximately 30% to 40% of F.B.I. agents are of the Mormon faith.
Well Scully’s catholic 
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now I honestly ask you, is that a nice thing to call the person who organized his local militia and commanded it for 3 years? for the record, Waco and Ruby Ridge were fucked up, the people who took part in it should receive the same kind of trial Tim McVey received. the above facts do NOT translate into Hover wore women’s underwear. IF YOU have any documentation to support such a harebrained idea, YOU post it. otherwise I must rely on your requirement to prove a negative, in which case YOU prove you aren’t an advocate of homosexuality as I stated. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – idiot, that charge against hover was shown false decades ago, it was made by a bimbo trying to sell a book, the only people propagating it are pro fags. what’s a "pro fag" ? is that what fbi-apologists call anybody who disagrees with them? if i keep posting this "false" charge, will the federal bureau of incompetants show up at my door and arrest me under US Code 14G443, telling the truth about the origins of the founder of the fbi? what’s the punishment for revealing that hoover wore frilly pink panties while he listened to illegal wiretaps he had placed in the bedrooms of civil rights leaders? if you’ve got a real reference to something that disproves that hoover was a flaming drag queen, post it or shut up and go back to alt.i.love.the.fbi or alt.waco.reno.coverup.coverup.coverup or whatever lameass fbi-loving group you came from.
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idiot, that charge against hover was shown false decades ago, it was made by a bimbo trying to sell a book, the only people propagating it are pro fags.
what’s a "pro fag" ? is that what fbi-apologists call anybody who disagrees with them? if i keep posting this "false" charge, will the federal bureau of incompetants show up at my door and arrest me under US Code 14G443, telling the truth about the origins of the founder of the fbi? what’s the punishment for revealing that hoover wore frilly pink panties while he listened to illegal wiretaps he had placed in the bedrooms of civil rights leaders? if you’ve got a real reference to something that disproves that hoover was a flaming drag queen, post it or shut up and go back to alt.i.love.the.fbi or alt.waco.reno.coverup.coverup.coverup or whatever lameass fbi-loving group you came from.
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what was hoover’s stand on transvestites? would that be a plus or a minus? how about a transvestite Mormon? double-plus or cancel-each-other out?
I’ve heard speculation that Hoover was a homosexual. I don’t know if it’s true or not but it does cast an interesting light on this man.
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Director Hoover liked Mormans because they didn’t have many vices and were extremely honest. It used to be hard to get past all the pre-hiring interviews unless you were a Morman or grew up in a convent.
what was hoover’s stand on transvestites? would that be a plus or a minus? how about a transvestite Mormon? double-plus or cancel-each-other out? sorry, couldn’t resist.
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He told me that according to some of his most trustworthy sources who have never proven to be wrong that approximately 30% to 40% of F.B.I. agents are of the Mormon faith.
It can’t be that high. The FBI currently has too many murderers and scumbags covering up. Mormans are good people and could not put up with it. Director Hoover liked Mormans because they didn’t have many vices and were extremely honest. It used to be hard to get past all the pre-hiring interviews unless you were a Morman or grew up in a convent. Nowadays they screen those people out. Religion is not PC in Washington today. Throwing shit at religious icons is White House approved and is probably part of FBI combat training.
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idiot, that charge against hover was shown false decades ago, it was made by a bimbo trying to sell a book, the only people propagating it are pro fags. Director Hoover liked Mormans because they didn’t have many vices and were extremely honest. It used to be hard to get past all the pre-hiring interviews unless you were a Morman or grew up in a convent. what was hoover’s stand on transvestites? would that be a plus or a minus? how about a transvestite Mormon? double-plus or cancel-each-other out? sorry, couldn’t resist.
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I’ve heard speculation that Hoover was a homosexual. I don’t know if it’s true or not but it does cast an interesting light on this man.
apparently j. edgar was a notorious homosexual transvestite, but kept it from common knowledge by ruthlessly exploiting any/all secrets he gleaned. he was, after all, the head the american equivalent of the kgb, and didn’t get the name "the bulldog" just because of his looks. once he had the goods on you, you were his buttboy for life. it’s not particularly unusual for the chief of any country’s secret police to be an extreme deviant from the social norm of his country at the time. take the founder of the French Surrete, a thief and swindler, or "Iron Felix", a jew hand-picked by Lenin to head what would later become the KGB, and whose first job was systematically scapegoat, round up, and slaughter Russia’s jews in the first of Lenin’s many polgroms. chief of the secret police is not a job for a nice person, and nice people don’t usually get the job. ironically, most die peacefully in bed. there just ain’t no justice down here.
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lol..
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plutosexual
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and what would you use to describe a person propogating an urban legend with no factual basis to back it up?
mistaken? incorrect? in error? full of rose fertilizer? well where is it? look through the whole post and still nothing to back it up.
having spent a couple of hours on the net looking, all i could find were two references, one from an interview with Allen Ginsberg (yes) and one from G Gordon Liddy (hell no). hmm, poet or plumber, poet or plumber … searches of folklore repositories on the net didn’t yield anything either. so … 1: it’s just a rumor. probably the case. OR 2: it’s true, and hoover had everybody who knew about it killed and had all evidence of it covered up. possible, but unlikely. so i’m probably wrong. mea culpa. p.s. did you know that Elvis was a transvestite? really! somebody read something on the internet, or was it the national enquirer, and told my wife’s sisters neighbour’s cousin (the one who wears the aluminum hat all the time) who posted it to alt.survival or was it alt.flaming.rumor.de.jour or something like that … uh oh!
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p.s. did you know that Elvis was a transvestite? really! somebody
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now I honestly ask you, is that a nice thing to call the person who organized his local militia and commanded it for 3 years? hey, you’re the one who called me an idiot.
and what would you use to describe a person propogating an urban legend with no factual basis to back it up? the above facts do NOT translate into Hover wore women’s underwear. IF YOU have any documentation to support such a harebrained idea, YOU post it. well, you’ve piqued my interest, so i’m gonna do just that.
well where is it? look through the whole post and still nothing to back it up. otherwise I must rely on your requirement to prove a negative, in which case YOU prove you aren’t an advocate of homosexuality as I stated. so if i say something you don’t agree with, i’m a "pro fag". uh huh.
that is not what I stated and you know it, this would lead to another logical deduction which could carry the title, "liar". let’s see … i make a statement, your counter it with "only pro fags say that". i believe that kind of counter is called "poisoning the well". it attempts to discredit the speaker by infering that he’s a X, where "X" is something nobody wants to admit being. lyndon johnson used just that
not at all, that was merly reporting an observation. homosexuals often throw that statement out about hover, or anyone else they can, it a despirit attempt to gain acceptance. technique when he called one of his opponents a "pig fucker". aghast, one of his spin-doctors said he just couldn’t say that. johnson replied "i just want to make him DENY it".
boy wish I had been running against him, the reply is all to obvious, "No I have never had sex with lydon johnson’s wife". :) i sure hope you’re not organizing your militia’s debating team too. and exactly what business is it of yours if i’m homosexual, bisexual, trisexual, plutosexual, or omnisexual? does your militia only accept
trisexual??? there is a third sex? damn i missed something. hetrosexuals? what if a gay Marine who was a really really really good shot wanted to join? how exactly do you know that nobody in your militia
that would depend on what he is shoting, and at whom :) is homosexual? is there some kind of standardized test you give potential members?
yes we ask them if they have any gossip about hover. and we don’t use the term "members". and what if, god forbid, some of the other guys around you, are HOMOSEXUALS? what if your DOCTOR is one? or your POSTMAN? geez, they could be all around you! better stay in the house, and for gods sake, don’t bend over!
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<chuckling I love your comebacks. This is what makes reading FUN. Jackie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – now I honestly ask you, is that a nice thing to call the person who organized his local militia and commanded it for 3 years? hey, you’re the one who called me an idiot. the above facts do NOT translate into Hover wore women’s underwear. IF YOU have any documentation to support such a harebrained idea, YOU post it. well, you’ve piqued my interest, so i’m gonna do just that. otherwise I must rely on your requirement to prove a negative, in which case YOU prove you aren’t an advocate of homosexuality as I stated. so if i say something you don’t agree with, i’m a "pro fag". uh huh. let’s see … i make a statement, your counter it with "only pro fags say that". i believe that kind of counter is called "poisoning the well". it attempts to discredit the speaker by infering that he’s a X, where "X" is something nobody wants to admit being. lyndon johnson used just that technique when he called one of his opponents a "pig fucker". aghast, one of his spin-doctors said he just couldn’t say that. johnson replied "i just want to make him DENY it". i sure hope you’re not organizing your militia’s debating team too. and exactly what business is it of yours if i’m homosexual, bisexual, trisexual, plutosexual, or omnisexual? does your militia only accept hetrosexuals? what if a gay Marine who was a really really really good shot wanted to join? how exactly do you know that nobody in your militia is homosexual? is there some kind of standardized test you give potential members? and what if, god forbid, some of the other guys around you, are HOMOSEXUALS? what if your DOCTOR is one? or your POSTMAN? geez, they could be all around you! better stay in the house, and for gods sake, don’t bend over!
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well after a couple of hours of searching the Net, so far i’ve found only two references to hoover’s drag-queeniness, one for, and one against. the for reference comes from an interview with the poet Allen Ginsberg, the against comes from a webpage run by/for G Gordon Liddy. so i could be wrong, it’s happened before.
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now I honestly ask you, is that a nice thing to call the person who organized his local militia and commanded it for 3 years?
hey, you’re the one who called me an idiot. the above facts do NOT translate into Hover wore women’s underwear. IF YOU have any documentation to support such a harebrained idea, YOU post it.
well, you’ve piqued my interest, so i’m gonna do just that. otherwise I must rely on your requirement to prove a negative, in which case YOU prove you aren’t an advocate of homosexuality as I stated.
so if i say something you don’t agree with, i’m a "pro fag". uh huh. let’s see … i make a statement, your counter it with "only pro fags say that". i believe that kind of counter is called "poisoning the well". it attempts to discredit the speaker by infering that he’s a X, where "X" is something nobody wants to admit being. lyndon johnson used just that technique when he called one of his opponents a "pig fucker". aghast, one of his spin-doctors said he just couldn’t say that. johnson replied "i just want to make him DENY it". i sure hope you’re not organizing your militia’s debating team too. and exactly what business is it of yours if i’m homosexual, bisexual, trisexual, plutosexual, or omnisexual? does your militia only accept hetrosexuals? what if a gay Marine who was a really really really good shot wanted to join? how exactly do you know that nobody in your militia is homosexual? is there some kind of standardized test you give potential members? and what if, god forbid, some of the other guys around you, are HOMOSEXUALS? what if your DOCTOR is one? or your POSTMAN? geez, they could be all around you! better stay in the house, and for gods sake, don’t bend over!
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if you’ve got a real reference to something that disproves that hoover was a flaming drag queen, post it or shut up and go back to alt.i.love.the.fbi or alt.waco.reno.coverup.coverup.coverup or whatever lameass fbi-loving group you came from.
%%%EHHHH—–what proof do you have that Hoover wore pink panties as a flaming drag queen except the book that has been dis-proved. Please post a legitimite source, any web sites, law enforcement or government documents. Please send documented proof you are not a flaming drag queen trying to not look or sound perverted by using others as an example of your private deviation.
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