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Rubbish. EWTN tells it like it is. If EWTN satisfies your definition of "Catholic fundamentalism", then I would assert that there is no such thing as a "Catholic fundamentalist". NG
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How could any Catholic call Mother Angelica hateful? Kind of reminds me of the fundamentalists who have so many bad things to say about the Church because it will not change its beliefs to conform with theirs… Most of EWTN’s programming caters to the more reactionary and fundamentalist Catholics. As far as I’m concerned, there are few differences between Catholic fundamentalists, Protestant fundamentalists or Jewish fundamentalists or Muslim fundamentalists.
I’ll politely disagree here, but I can see how a few shows can apparently give the impression that the entire pot is bad. In fact looking at the general schedule http://www.ewtn.com/tv/Ju_TV.htm I can spot a lot of programs which are not fundamentalist. Sunday 10AM Franciscan University Presents has a lot of interesting topics which tends to cover a broad range of thought. Then there is the Joy of Music at 2PM. Sure you are not going to get the "God Squad." That’s a product of the diocese of Rockville Centre. Just because Mother Angelica likes to be somewhat blunt about things, is no reason to hate a network. That’s just a nun’s perogative. <G — Peace & Good! Christopher Beattie SFO KOC, SPEBSQSA, et.al. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Most of EWTN’s programming caters to the more reactionary and fundamentalist Catholics. As far as I’m concerned, there are few differences between Catholic fundamentalists, Protestant fundamentalists or Jewish fundamentalists or Muslim fundamentalists. Oscar "illegitimi non carborundum"
I hate to beat this subject to death, but what exactly is a fundamentalist Catholic? Are you referring to Mother Angelica’s views that you need to go to confession, you shouldn’t use contraceptives, abortion is wrong, the Priesthood is an exclusively male vocation, etc. ? All you folks who think Vatican II erased all of this are in for a big shock. If you think these are fundamentalist Catholic views, then the Pope is quite a fundamentalist himself. What views do they promote on EWTN that John Paul II wouldn’t agree with if he were a guest on the show? JMK
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OK… CHETOPA… let’s end it here… You can go to http://www.ewtn.com/audiovideo/index.htm and watch or listen to that Mother Angelica show if FULL… with Fr. Welch of Human Life Int. (HLI) I think you will be mistaken.. Also many diocese split the EWTN with their own programs. Prehaps this is what you saw??
I saw what I saw, and I heard what I heard. I’m not sure why you would contradict me and tell me to watch the entire show. Why don’t you watch it? Maybe you’ll learn something. ("Diocese" is not plural, for instance.) The priest’s repellent comment, "It could be said that nuns are contracepting life," is not an isolated instance, of course, of the nastiness spewn out by Mother Angelica and her toadies against everyone they hate. The priests that go on EWTN and the priests that are part of the EWTN cult are perfect representatives of what the RC Church has become: embarrassing. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.
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Why? Because she transmits the truth and it drives them nuts.
From following this thread, I have to say that you have hit the nail right on the head. I couldn’t imagine how any Catholic would have a problem with the great majority of the programming EWTN produces and Mother Angelica’s show in particular. Sounds like the folks who believe the Post-Vatican II Church should be a free for all of new theology and respect for any and all ideas whether they agree with Sacred Tradition, Scripture, of the Catechism. How could any Catholic call Mother Angelica hateful? Kind of reminds me of the fundamentalists who have so many bad things to say about the Church because it will not change its beliefs to conform with theirs… JMK
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the nastiness spewn out by Mother Angelica and her toadies against everyone they hate.
Thus saith a peson who also hates. Pax Christi, Pat "In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God." (Braveheart)
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How could any Catholic call Mother Angelica hateful? Kind of reminds me of the fundamentalists who have so many bad things to say about the Church because it will not change its beliefs to conform with theirs…
Most of EWTN’s programming caters to the more reactionary and fundamentalist Catholics. As far as I’m concerned, there are few differences between Catholic fundamentalists, Protestant fundamentalists or Jewish fundamentalists or Muslim fundamentalists. Oscar "illegitimi non carborundum"
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Last night (June 23) there was a priest as Mother Angelica’s guest who said he has visited many religious orders in the United States, and he has come to the conclusion that many nuns "could be said to be contracepting life." Why do the chicken-hearted bishops allow this hateful network to be the face and voice of the chur
I just heard about this wonderful new invention called the channel changer! You might want to call your nearest Radio Shack and ask them if they have any. It allows you to change from EWTN to a different channel!!
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I would LOVE to see the program, but, alas… I live in the SOUTH… The Baptists simply won’t hear of it.
You mean, cable companies won’t carry it? They’ll carry Playboy Channel, but not EWTN? What’ll those crazy fundies think of next? Actually, Alan, I thought I was the only Catholic who has never seen EWTN on TV. The web site is kinda cool though. Dave
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OK… CHETOPA… let’s end it here… You can go to http://www.ewtn.com/audiovideo/index.htm and watch or listen to that Mother Angelica show if FULL… with Fr. Welch of Human Life Int. (HLI) I think you will be mistaken.. Also many diocese split the EWTN with their own programs. Prehaps this is what you saw?? This isn’t meant to be even the beginning of a challenge, I’m just curious. What were the context of his remarks, and exactly *why* did he say nuns were "contracepting life"? I’m not a EWTN fan, but this sounds far-fetched even for them!
– "My Life Is Open, I’m The Book You Never Read, No Words Are Ever Spoken I’m The Sentence You Don’t Need, Put Me On The Shelf Don’t Ever Dust Me Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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you’ll see that it’s a way to place liberal nuns, whom you hate, into the same pit with other women you hate, the radical feminists, the enneagram fans, the "witches," and those who practice contraception and support abortion rights. It’s a very useful metaphor, accusing liberal nuns of contracepting life. Oh, good grief. One of the reasons I don’t like EWTN is because I *am* a feminist. At the same time I’m not a liberal Catholic I find EWTN’s blanket demonization of certain groups more than a teensy bit infuriating, especially when I get the feeling of, "How dare you say that? You don’t know me!"
The problem here is two fold. I doubt Mother Angelica, or any one has any animosity toward feminists in general. Heck, Mother Angelica can be classified as a feminist, running her own cable network. But what we see here is what happens when radical feminists pass themselves off as middle of the road feminists. These are the feminists generally refered to. If it’s a broad brush being used, it’s because that’s what the radical feminists have created. No doubt Hitler portrayed himself as a middle of the road type to the German people before coming to power. As for you’ll see that it’s a way to place liberal nuns, whom you hate, into the same pit with other women you hate, the radical feminists, the enneagram fans, the "witches," and those who practice contraception and support abortion rights. It’s a very useful metaphor, accusing liberal nuns of contracepting life.
The fact is, they are. Hate is also a very useful term. These ‘liberals’ (for lack of a better term) say we hate when we try to point out error. Who really hates here? The person trying to point out the error? Or the person making it seem as though that is hateful? Some of the most intolerant, hateful, and bigotted people I’ve come across are ‘free-thinking, liberals’. Pax Christi, Pat "In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God." (Braveheart)
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I would LOVE to see the program, but, alas… I live in the SOUTH… The Baptists simply won’t hear of it. You mean, cable companies won’t carry it?
The area that I now live in precludes metropolitan cable, and the "dish" services do not offer it either, if I am not mistaken. When I did live in the city, I didn’t recall seeing it listed in the "cabletv" lineup. Oh, to be sure, they offered TBN(Trinity Broadcasting Network) and PTL(Praise the Lord), but not EWTN. Ahhh…that warm, golden age… of Jim And Tammy… Where’s my hanky? They’ll carry Playboy Channel, but not EWTN? What’ll those crazy fundies think of next?
The Baptists got rid of the Playboy channel. Actually, Alan, I thought I was the only Catholic who has never seen EWTN on TV.
Two. The web site is kinda cool though.
I’ll not be consoled! Alan 
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you’ll see that it’s a way to place liberal nuns, whom you hate, into the same pit with other women you hate, the radical feminists, the enneagram fans, the "witches,"
I personally know a liberal nun who thinks that worshipping Diana is okay. She’s actually a friend, and a very nice, generous, deeply committed lady. She’s also not the brightest penny in the bank in terms of theological logic, so I hope and pray God will have mercy on her heretical little soul. Dave
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What were the context of his remarks, and exactly *why* did he say nuns were "contracepting life"? I’m not a EWTN fan, but this sounds far-fetched even for them!
He was refering to liberal nuns he had met who were "contracepting" their own orders by not actively seeking new members and thus destroying their own orders within a couple of generations.Which in certain places is very true!
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I am curious as to why anyone would have a problem with EWTN? I have seen a show or two that I didn’t agree with, but overall I think it is an interesting and informative network. There aren’t many resources like this for Catholics. I especially enjoy Mother Angelica. JMK
I would LOVE to see the program, but, alas… I live in the SOUTH… The Baptists simply won’t hear of it. Alan "For My flesh is food INDEED, and My blood is drink INDEED." - John 6:55 …literal to those who believe, symbolic to those who will not… "…’This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?’ " – John 6:60 "After this many of His disciples drew back and no longer went about with Him." – John 6:66
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What were the context of his remarks, and exactly *why* did he say nuns were "contracepting life"? I’m not a EWTN fan, but this sounds far-fetched even for them! He was refering to liberal nuns he had met who were "contracepting" their own orders by not actively seeking new members and thus destroying their own orders within a couple of generations.Which in certain places is very true!
I would submit that there’s nothing wrong with liberal sisters (and they are sisters, not nuns) going extinct. I’ve only read about this phenomenon, and I just wonder why they don’t return to secular life.
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Last night (June 23) there was a priest as Mother Angelica’s guest who said he has visited many religious orders in the United States, and he has come to the conclusion that many nuns "could be said to be contracepting life." Why do the chicken-hearted bishops allow this hateful network to be the face and voice of the chur — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.
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Last night (June 23) there was a priest as Mother Angelica’s guest who said he has visited many religious orders in the United States, and he has come to the conclusion that many nuns "could be said to be contracepting life."
This isn’t meant to be even the beginning of a challenge, I’m just curious. What were the context of his remarks, and exactly *why* did he say nuns were "contracepting life"? I’m not a EWTN fan, but this sounds far-fetched even for them! Why do the chicken-hearted bishops allow this hateful network to be the face and voice of the church?
Because *her* own bishop backs her, and there is a "freedom of expression" clause in the U.S. bill of rights. EWTN applied for a broadcasting license in Canada and the Canadian bishops put pressure on the CRTC (Canadian analog of the FCC) to deny her. She was duly denied.
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Last night (June 23) there was a priest as Mother Angelica’s guest who said he has visited many religious orders in the United States, and he has come to the conclusion that many nuns "could be said to be contracepting life." Why do the chicken-hearted bishops allow this hateful network to be the face and voice of the chur —
Why? Because she transmits the truth and it drives them nuts. "In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God." (Braveheart)
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Why do the chicken-hearted bishops allow this hateful network to be the face and voice of the church? Because *her* own bishop backs her, and there is a "freedom of expression"
Bishops Stef, Bishops. Many bishops support her. It’s only those like Weakland, and Mahoney that oppose her. "In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God." (Braveheart)
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I am curious as to why anyone would have a problem with EWTN? I have seen a show or two that I didn’t agree with, but overall I think it is an interesting and informative network. There aren’t many resources like this for Catholics. I especially enjoy Mother Angelica. JMK
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This isn’t meant to be even the beginning of a challenge, I’m just curious. What were the context of his remarks, and exactly *why* did he say nuns were "contracepting life"? I’m not a EWTN fan, but this sounds far-fetched even for them! I was running through the channels, and as I passed EWTN, the priest was sitting there in the guest chair. He was in a habit which I can’t identify, maybe Redemptorist. Another older priest is often on EWTN in the same habit, but this priest was younger, maybe under forty. All I heard was what I quoted. I’m not sure of the context, but his words were so odd, that they caught my attention. Then, he did a funny body language thing, a shift of posture and facial expression as if he were saying to Mother Angelica, I realize that what I am saying is very far out, but think about it for a moment – and you’ll see that it’s a way to place liberal nuns, whom you hate, into the same pit with other women you hate, the radical feminists, the enneagram fans, the "witches," and those who practice contraception and support abortion rights. It’s a very useful metaphor, accusing liberal nuns of contracepting life.
Oh, good grief. One of the reasons I don’t like EWTN is because I *am* a feminist. At the same time I’m not a liberal Catholic I find EWTN’s blanket demonization of certain groups more than a teensy bit infuriating, especially when I get the feeling of, "How dare you say that? You don’t know me!" I went on to the next channel without hearing more. I agree that it’s far-fetched even by EWTN’s high standard of hating, but he really said it. (I think they sell tapes of the shows. Supposedly they pulled the one from distribution on which Mother Angelica denied that the pope had said it was okay for Catholics to believe in evolution. "He NEVER said that!!! We no more came from monkeys than we came from vegetables!!
Shhh…nobody told her I had paleontology sticker books as a kid….
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Why do the chicken-hearted bishops allow this hateful network to be the face and voice of the church? Because *her* own bishop backs her, and there is a "freedom of expression" Bishops Stef, Bishops. Many bishops support her. It’s only those like Weakland, and Mahoney that oppose her.
Looks like she has a fair share of supporters and detractors, actually. Plus I’ve heard some really bad theology on there. They may know their Catholic belief, but what they do with it can be bug-crazy.
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This isn’t meant to be even the beginning of a challenge, I’m just curious. What were the context of his remarks, and exactly *why* did he say nuns were "contracepting life"? I’m not a EWTN fan, but this sounds far-fetched even for them!
I was running through the channels, and as I passed EWTN, the priest was sitting there in the guest chair. He was in a habit which I can’t identify, maybe Redemptorist. Another older priest is often on EWTN in the same habit, but this priest was younger, maybe under forty. All I heard was what I quoted. I’m not sure of the context, but his words were so odd, that they caught my attention. Then, he did a funny body language thing, a shift of posture and facial expression as if he were saying to Mother Angelica, I realize that what I am saying is very far out, but think about it for a moment – and you’ll see that it’s a way to place liberal nuns, whom you hate, into the same pit with other women you hate, the radical feminists, the enneagram fans, the "witches," and those who practice contraception and support abortion rights. It’s a very useful metaphor, accusing liberal nuns of contracepting life. I went on to the next channel without hearing more. I agree that it’s far-fetched even by EWTN’s high standard of hating, but he really said it. (I think they sell tapes of the shows. Supposedly they pulled the one from distribution on which Mother Angelica denied that the pope had said it was okay for Catholics to believe in evolution. "He NEVER said that!!! We no more came from monkeys than we came from vegetables!! — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.
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I am curious as to why anyone would have a problem with EWTN? I have seen a show or two that I didn’t agree with, but overall I think it is an interesting and informative network. There aren’t many resources like this for Catholics. I especially enjoy Mother Angelica. JMK
I agree, EWTN has made TV worth watching!!!!!!
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