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Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals. They are filled with the spirit of Antichrist, who opens "his mouth unto blasphemies against God." (Apoc. 13:5) Which book of the Bible is abbreviated "Apoc."?
Roman nutter refer to Revelations as Apoc. — Bernard Hubbard Australian, small *L* liberal and gay. Proud to be all three.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals. They are filled with the spirit of Antichrist, who opens "his mouth unto blasphemies against God." (Apoc. 13:5) This article applies to many people, and not just to those who are guilty of this heresy and sins of homosexuality. For instance, blasphemers and heretics also believe God created alcoholics. St. James teaches if you broke one commandment it is as if your broke them all. "And whosoever shall keep the whole law, but offend in one point, is become guilty of all." (Ja. 2:10) Mortal sins of adultery, murder, stealing, homosexuality, etc. are all equally deadly to the soul. One mortal sin against the faith excommunicates a Catholic, places him outside the Catholic Church, and makes him a non- Catholic heretic. Sins of heresy are worse than the sins of immorality, and lead to some type of immorality by way of the Romans One Curse. This article is written first, to make reparation for blasphemy against God, and then for the hopeful conversion of the blasphemers and those led astray by them. This article is actually a letter I wrote to a man who believes God created homosexuals. He had committed homosexual sins in his past, and says he is no longer a practicing homosexual but still has homosexual thoughts, which he wrongly believes are not sinful. He had these thoughts and desires from his earliest memories, thus he believes God created him to be a homosexual. A distinction needs to be made. It is one thing for a man to commit sins of homosexuality and it is quite another to say God created homosexuals. The latter is guilty of two types of sins. One, he is guilty of a mortal sin against the faith, of heresy and blasphemy for believing God created homosexuals, which is his worst sin that automatically excommunicates a Catholic making him a non-Catholic. Two, he is guilty of mortal sins of immorality for committing sins of homosexuality in deeds or thoughts. A Catholic who commits homosexual sins in deeds or thoughts is not in a state of grace, he is on the road to hell, but he would still be Catholic if he does not believe God created homosexuals, because he has not sinned against the faith or blasphemed God. This man only sinned against the moral commandments but not against the faith. There are some minor additions to the original letter.
I always thought there was something strange about the Church of Rome but now I am convinced. Sinning by thought indeed. Thoughts usually just pop into the mindf and are then disposed of. How could a stray unwanted thought be a sin? What you appear to be saying is that if you ever start with *I wonder if xyz is sinful* you have committed a sin of xyz. My God, your God is merciless not merciful and his agents and followers in the Roman Church must all be brainwashed. — Bernard Hubbard Australian, small *L* liberal and gay. Proud to be all three.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Probably quite a legitimate Christian position. Personally I’ve found it fascinating that many Christians (RCC and otherwise) oppose the idea that homosexuality is a genetic or "structural" variation on purely theological (more properly ideological) grounds (rather in the way that some Protestant Fundamentalists oppose evolution). The sad irony is that the official RCC position is that homosexuality is real, physical, and not something that can be changed, that it is a ‘cross’ to bear, and those in that condition "require more love and understanding" not less, and are required to live a celibate life, not chosen, like preists but forced upon them. Yes, but I don’t think you have a complete picture going on here. As you stated, being homosexual is not a sin in itself. But you have to consider the Catholic stance on sexual practice altogether. It is believed that sex should only be practiced within a sacred bond of marriage. Heterosexual or homosexual, it doesn’t matter…you are not supposed to be engaging in sexual relations outside of marriage. All are called to be chaste and celibate until marriage. And people who are homosexual cannot marry. So to practice homosexual sex can roughly be equated with the condoning and practice of heterosexual sex outside of marriage: BOTH are "no-no’s." Also, please remember that priests take their vows willingly and understanding full well the long tradition of celebacy before they do. It is always the priest, not the Church or her "rules" that is at fault for not keeping a vow.
Bullshit, if this were so then the RCC Church would simply allow homosexuals to marry, then homosexuals would not be committing a sin. The RCC Church refuses to marry homosexuals. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I however rarely find the vocal RCC minority preaching the official line. Can you elaborate on the above. I don’t understand what you mean (that’s not a challenge or a retort…I really don’t understand the statement. Sorry, if it’s feable mindedness on my part!). I also find it funny, that the RCC, one of the most conservative organizations the world has know, who took 400 years to accept the world was not flat, and 1500 years to forgive galileo for suggesting it…..acknowleges that homosexuality is not a choice, yet the ‘protesting sects’ generally do not. I think the above is an accidental misunderstanding of history or events on your part. Your years are off, and the Church vs. Galileo fiasco had nothing to do with flat/round Earth. We all get mixed up sometimes in the heat of the moment. May I sincerely suggest doing some reading on it? (And it wouldn’t hurt if you like history). Peace, Brian, O.SS.T.,Ter
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Look, you should feel sorry for them. Some people are just simple and easily impressed. Probably religiously indoctrinated from a young age and they’ve never managed to rise above it and think for themselves. Like I said, we should pity them really, although they are annoying….
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals. They are filled with the spirit of Antichrist, who opens "his mouth unto blasphemies against God." (Apoc. 13:5) This article applies to many people, and not just to those who are guilty of this heresy and sins of homosexuality. For instance, blasphemers and heretics also believe God created alcoholics. St. James teaches if you broke one commandment it is as if your broke them all. "And whosoever shall keep the whole law, but offend in one point, is become guilty of all." (Ja. 2:10) Mortal sins of adultery, murder, stealing, homosexuality, etc. are all equally deadly to the soul. One mortal sin against the faith excommunicates a Catholic, places him outside the Catholic Church, and makes him a non-Catholic heretic. Sins of heresy are worse than the sins of immorality, and lead to some type of immorality by way of the Romans One Curse. This article is written first, to make reparation for blasphemy against God, and then for the hopeful conversion of the blasphemers and those led astray by them. This article is actually a letter I wrote to a man who believes God created homosexuals. He had committed homosexual sins in his past, and says he is no longer a practicing homosexual but still has homosexual thoughts, which he wrongly believes are not sinful. He had these thoughts and desires from his earliest memories, thus he believes God created him to be a homosexual. A distinction needs to be made. It is one thing for a man to commit sins of homosexuality and it is quite another to say God created homosexuals. The latter is guilty of two types of sins. One, he is guilty of a mortal sin against the faith, of heresy and blasphemy for believing God created homosexuals, which is his worst sin that automatically excommunicates a Catholic making him a non-Catholic. Two, he is guilty of mortal sins of immorality for committing sins of homosexuality in deeds or thoughts. A Catholic who commits homosexual sins in deeds or thoughts is not in a state of grace, he is on the road to hell, but he would still be Catholic if he does not believe God created homosexuals, because he has not sinned against the faith or blasphemed God. This man only sinned against the moral commandments but not against the faith. There are some minor additions to the original letter. First of all Christian idiot there is no God as well as no Santa Claus. If you want to believe in fairy tales please do so in a private, personal & peaceful manner instead of gay bashing & killing people just because they’re different from you.
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No more then smoking, drunkenness, lying, thieving, stealing, fornication, adultery, sodomy, animal sex, paedophilia, etc all of which are sins of weak humans and very bad habits. Well if god did not create them, they sure are not breeding.
You really don’t know much of fornication nor adultery, do you? — Curtis at Sieber dot Com "What is intriguing about ‘Ulterior Motive’ is its author’s background as, first, a collaborator with behaviorist B.F. Skinner on chimpanzee-language research, and, then, the inventor of the Start Button and Taskbar for the computer program Windows 95." — The New York Times, Christopher Lehmann-Haupt, reviewing a book, but inadvertently tying together so many loose ends about the origin of that damned start button!
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Probably quite a legitimate Christian position. Personally I’ve found it fascinating that many Christians (RCC and otherwise) oppose the idea that homosexuality is a genetic or "structural" variation on purely theological (more properly ideological) grounds (rather in the way that some Protestant Fundamentalists oppose evolution). The sad irony is that the official RCC position is that homosexuality is real, physical, and not something that can be changed, that it is a ‘cross’ to bear, and those in that condition "require more love and understanding" not less, and are required to live a celibate life, not chosen, like preists but forced upon them.
Yes, but I don’t think you have a complete picture going on here. As you stated, being homosexual is not a sin in itself. But you have to consider the Catholic stance on sexual practice altogether. It is believed that sex should only be practiced within a sacred bond of marriage. Heterosexual or homosexual, it doesn’t matter…you are not supposed to be engaging in sexual relations outside of marriage. All are called to be chaste and celibate until marriage. And people who are homosexual cannot marry. So to practice homosexual sex can roughly be equated with the condoning and practice of heterosexual sex outside of marriage: BOTH are "no-no’s." Also, please remember that priests take their vows willingly and understanding full well the long tradition of celebacy before they do. It is always the priest, not the Church or her "rules" that is at fault for not keeping a vow. I however rarely find the vocal RCC minority preaching the official line.
Can you elaborate on the above. I don’t understand what you mean (that’s not a challenge or a retort…I really don’t understand the statement. Sorry, if it’s feable mindedness on my part!). I also find it funny, that the RCC, one of the most conservative organizations the world has know, who took 400 years to accept the world was not flat, and 1500 years to forgive galileo for suggesting it…..acknowleges that homosexuality is not a choice, yet the ‘protesting sects’ generally do not.
I think the above is an accidental misunderstanding of history or events on your part. Your years are off, and the Church vs. Galileo fiasco had nothing to do with flat/round Earth. We all get mixed up sometimes in the heat of the moment. May I sincerely suggest doing some reading on it? (And it wouldn’t hurt if you like history). Peace, Brian, O.SS.T.,Ter
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I also find it funny, that the RCC, one of the most conservative organizations the world has know, who took 400 years to accept the world was not flat, and 1500 years to forgive galileo for suggesting it
Er! Galileo has only been dead since 1642. …..acknowledges that homosexuality is not a choice, yet the ‘protesting sects’ generally do not.
No more then smoking, drunkenness, lying, thieving, stealing, fornication, adultery, sodomy, animal sex, paedophilia, etc all of which are sins of weak humans and very bad habits.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also find it funny, that the RCC, one of the most conservative organizations the world has know, who took 400 years to accept the world was not flat, and 1500 years to forgive galileo for suggesting it Er! Galileo has only been dead since 1642. …..acknowledges that homosexuality is not a choice, yet the ‘protesting sects’ generally do not. No more then smoking, drunkenness, lying, thieving, stealing, fornication, adultery, sodomy, animal sex, paedophilia, etc all of which are sins of weak humans and very bad habits.
Which is irrelevant to civil law.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also find it funny, that the RCC, one of the most conservative organizations the world has know, who took 400 years to accept the world was not flat, and 1500 years to forgive galileo for suggesting it Er! Galileo has only been dead since 1642. …..acknowledges that homosexuality is not a choice, yet the ‘protesting sects’ generally do not. No more then smoking, drunkenness, lying, thieving, stealing, fornication, adultery, sodomy, animal sex, paedophilia, etc all of which are sins of weak humans and very bad habits.
Well if god did not create them, they sure are not breeding. — When life hands you crap, make crapenade.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals. They are filled with the spirit of Antichrist, who opens "his mouth unto blasphemies against God." (Apoc. 13:5) This article applies to many people, and not just to those who are guilty of this heresy and sins of homosexuality. For instance, blasphemers and heretics also believe God created alcoholics. St. James teaches if you broke one commandment it is as if your broke them all. "And whosoever shall keep the whole law, but offend in one point, is become guilty of all." (Ja. 2:10) Mortal sins of adultery, murder, stealing, homosexuality, etc. are all equally deadly to the soul. One mortal sin against the faith excommunicates a Catholic, places him outside the Catholic Church, and makes him a non-Catholic heretic. Sins of heresy are worse than the sins of immorality, and lead to some type of immorality by way of the Romans One Curse. This article is written first, to make reparation for blasphemy against God, and then for the hopeful conversion of the blasphemers and those led astray by them. This article is actually a letter I wrote to a man who believes God created homosexuals. He had committed homosexual sins in his past, and says he is no longer a practicing homosexual but still has homosexual thoughts, which he wrongly believes are not sinful. He had these thoughts and desires from his earliest memories, thus he believes God created him to be a homosexual. A distinction needs to be made. It is one thing for a man to commit sins of homosexuality and it is quite another to say God created homosexuals. The latter is guilty of two types of sins. One, he is guilty of a mortal sin against the faith, of heresy and blasphemy for believing God created homosexuals, which is his worst sin that automatically excommunicates a Catholic making him a non-Catholic. Two, he is guilty of mortal sins of immorality for committing sins of homosexuality in deeds or thoughts. A Catholic who commits homosexual sins in deeds or thoughts is not in a state of grace, he is on the road to hell, but he would still be Catholic if he does not believe God created homosexuals, because he has not sinned against the faith or blasphemed God. This man only sinned against the moral commandments but not against the faith. There are some minor additions to the original letter.
First of all Christian idiot there is no God as well as no Santa Claus. If you want to believe in fairy tales please do so in a private, personal & peaceful manner instead of gay bashing & killing people just because they’re different from you.
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My son, You are sadly mistaken. I thought it prudent to create a mix of races, gender, and last, but not least, homosexuals. By the way, I don’t see your name anywhere in my book of life. I’ll check with my neighbour Lucifer, you must be one of his… God. Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals. They are filled with the spirit of Antichrist, <blah blah blah, …
I just paid Lucifer a courtesy call, and he denied knowing anything about the guy. As I left, though, I noticed him feverishly erasing a name in his book and muttering about moving downstairs to get away from such religious nuts, and how he was going to dispose of the soul by arranging for it to be reincarnated as yet another wife for Saddam. If Lucifer really gets mad, the nut may find himself being married off to Osama instead.
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Probably quite a legitimate Christian position. Personally I’ve found it fascinating that many Christians (RCC and otherwise) oppose the idea that homosexuality is a genetic or "structural" variation on purely theological (more properly ideological) grounds (rather in the way that some Protestant Fundamentalists oppose evolution).
The sad irony is that the official RCC position is that homosexuality is real, physical, and not something that can be changed, that it is a ‘cross’ to bear, and those in that condition "require more love and understanding" not less, and are required to live a celibate life, not chosen, like preists but forced upon them. I however rarely find the vocal RCC minority preaching the official line. I also find it funny, that the RCC, one of the most conservative organizations the world has know, who took 400 years to accept the world was not flat, and 1500 years to forgive galileo for suggesting it…..acknowleges that homosexuality is not a choice, yet the ‘protesting sects’ generally do not.
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic (and doubtless elsewhere), on the total lines of text written about "Re: God did not create homosexuals" to 39. I decided to observe the following about them: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic (and doubtless elsewhere), on the total lines of text written about "Re: God did not create homosexuals" to 11. I decided to observe the following about them: Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals. They are filled with the spirit of Antichrist, who opens "his mouth unto blasphemies against God." (Apoc. 13:5) Which book of the Bible is abbreviated "Apoc."? "Revelation" in Protestant circles. The sixth, one imagines…! Been in Protestant circles all my life.
My sympathy. Never seen Revelation referred to as such, although I figured it was some form of the word "Apocalypse".
No, no - the abbreviation is for "Apocalypse," in RCC circles. Though it is a little archaic these days. — "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You." – Attrib: Pauline Reage. Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion? See: <http://www.Video2CD.com. 35.00 gets your video on DVD. There is no EAC, so delete it from the email, if you want to communicate.
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Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals. They are filled with the spirit of Antichrist, who opens "his mouth unto blasphemies against God." (Apoc. 13:5) Which book of the Bible is abbreviated "Apoc."? Apocrypha, I assume.
As someone noted above, "Apoc." stands for "Apocalypse." An older name for the book of Revelation.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals. They are filled with the spirit of Antichrist, who opens "his mouth unto blasphemies against God." (Apoc. 13:5) This article applies to many people, and not just to those who are guilty of this heresy and sins of homosexuality. For instance, blasphemers and heretics also believe God created alcoholics. St. James teaches if you broke one commandment it is as if your broke them all. "And whosoever shall keep the whole law, but offend in one point, is become guilty of all." (Ja. 2:10) Mortal sins of adultery, murder, stealing, homosexuality, etc. are all equally deadly to the soul. One mortal sin against the faith excommunicates a Catholic, places him outside the Catholic Church, and makes him a non-Catholic heretic. Sins of heresy are worse than the sins of immorality, and lead to some type of immorality by way of the Romans One Curse. This article is written first, to make reparation for blasphemy against God, and then for the hopeful conversion of the blasphemers and those led astray by them. This article is actually a letter I wrote to a man who believes God created homosexuals. He had committed homosexual sins in his past, and says he is no longer a practicing homosexual but still has homosexual thoughts, which he wrongly believes are not sinful. He had these thoughts and desires from his earliest memories, thus he believes God created him to be a homosexual. A distinction needs to be made. It is one thing for a man to commit sins of homosexuality and it is quite another to say God created homosexuals. The latter is guilty of two types of sins. One, he is guilty of a mortal sin against the faith, of heresy and blasphemy for believing God created homosexuals, which is his worst sin that automatically excommunicates a Catholic making him a non-Catholic. Two, he is guilty of mortal sins of immorality for committing sins of homosexuality in deeds or thoughts. A Catholic who commits homosexual sins in deeds or thoughts is not in a state of grace, he is on the road to hell, but he would still be Catholic if he does not believe God created homosexuals, because he has not sinned against the faith or blasphemed God. This man only sinned against the moral commandments but not against the faith. There are some minor additions to the original letter.
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Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals. They are filled with the spirit of Antichrist, who opens "his mouth unto blasphemies against God." (Apoc. 13:5) Which book of the Bible is abbreviated "Apoc."?
Apocrypha, I assume. — When life hands you crap, make crapenade.
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic (and doubtless elsewhere), on the total lines of text written about "God did not create homosexuals" to 37. I decided to observe the following about them: Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals.
[snip to the effect He didn't] Probably quite a legitimate Christian position. Personally I’ve found it fascinating that many Christians (RCC and otherwise) oppose the idea that homosexuality is a genetic or "structural" variation on purely theological (more properly ideological) grounds (rather in the way that some Protestant Fundamentalists oppose evolution). This seems to me to be very silly in as much one could presumably argue that even if homosexuality is inherent, it’s simply yet another physical consequence of the Fall, and a special case of the human predisposition to sin. On the other hand, given the severe problems and prejudice homosexuals face in society, it seems equally ludicrous to maintain, as many Christians do, that homosexuality is a sinful lifestyle choice. Personally I’ve always wondered why this particular "sin" always gets more press and concern than say gluttony (given that a third of the world starves), or greed, and so forth. Odd, really odd… But that’s ideology for you. — "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You." – Attrib: Pauline Reage. Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion? See: <http://www.Video2CD.com. 35.00 gets your video on DVD. There is no EAC, so delete it from the email, if you want to communicate.
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic (and doubtless elsewhere), on the total lines of text written about "Re: God did not create homosexuals" to 11. I decided to observe the following about them: Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals. They are filled with the spirit of Antichrist, who opens "his mouth unto blasphemies against God." (Apoc. 13:5) Which book of the Bible is abbreviated "Apoc."? "Revelation" in Protestant circles. The sixth, one imagines…!
Been in Protestant circles all my life. Never seen Revelation referred to as such, although I figured it was some form of the word "Apocalypse". And now, a collection of stupid goosestepper quotes, for your amusement: "Apparently alot of Repugs are profoundly mentally retarded." By: "King Pineapple" Fruit Boy: 11/18/2002 "LOL you are so right! so what if bush knew before hand about 9-11?" "King Pineapple" Fruit Boy: 11/21/2002 "West Virginians love to hunt and they are too dumb to realize that the laws the Democrats (After a major oil spill): "The Oil came out of the ground in teh first place . So what if it goes back on the ground." By: "Liberalism Is Dying Finally" 11/19/02 Goosesteppers just get funnier and funnier.
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic (and doubtless elsewhere), on the total lines of text written about "Re: God did not create homosexuals" to 11. I decided to observe the following about them: Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals. They are filled with the spirit of Antichrist, who opens "his mouth unto blasphemies against God." (Apoc. 13:5) Which book of the Bible is abbreviated "Apoc."?
"Revelation" in Protestant circles. The sixth, one imagines…! — "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You." – Attrib: Pauline Reage. Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion? See: <http://www.Video2CD.com. 35.00 gets your video on DVD. There is no EAC, so delete it from the email, if you want to communicate.
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Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals.
There are no gods therefore no god created anyone. You however are creating great annoyance and bother by posting you vitriolic nonsense which of course is exactly what you intend to do.
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Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals. They are filled with the spirit of Antichrist, who opens "his mouth unto blasphemies against God." (Apoc. 13:5) This article applies to many people, and not just to those who are guilty of this heresy and sins of homosexuality. For instance, blasphemers and heretics also believe God created alcoholics. St. James teaches if you broke one commandment it is as if your broke them all. "And whosoever shall keep the whole law, but offend in one point, is become guilty of all." (Ja. 2:10) Mortal sins of adultery, murder, stealing, homosexuality, etc. are all equally deadly to the soul. One mortal sin against the faith excommunicates a Catholic, places him outside the Catholic Church, and makes him a non-Catholic heretic. Sins of heresy are worse than the sins of immorality, and lead to some type of immorality by way of the Romans One Curse. This article is written first, to make reparation for blasphemy against God, and then for the hopeful conversion of the blasphemers and those led astray by them. This article is actually a letter I wrote to a man who believes God created homosexuals. He had committed homosexual sins in his past, and says he is no longer a practicing homosexual but still has homosexual thoughts, which he wrongly believes are not sinful. He had these thoughts and desires from his earliest memories, thus he believes God created him to be a homosexual. A distinction needs to be made. It is one thing for a man to commit sins of homosexuality and it is quite another to say God created homosexuals. The latter is guilty of two types of sins. One, he is guilty of a mortal sin against the faith, of heresy and blasphemy for believing God created homosexuals, which is his worst sin that automatically excommunicates a Catholic making him a non-Catholic. Two, he is guilty of mortal sins of immorality for committing sins of homosexuality in deeds or thoughts. A Catholic who commits homosexual sins in deeds or thoughts is not in a state of grace, he is on the road to hell, but he would still be Catholic if he does not believe God created homosexuals, because he has not sinned against the faith or blasphemed God. This man only sinned against the moral commandments but not against the faith. There are some minor additions to the original letter.
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Blasphemers and heretics believe God created homosexuals. They are filled with the spirit of Antichrist, who opens "his mouth unto blasphemies against God." (Apoc. 13:5)
Which book of the Bible is abbreviated "Apoc."?
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Here’s a response from a great Catholic theologian: "The devil makes many disciples by preaching against sin."
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