Catholics & Catholicism

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I experiment with sleep deprivation too much. I almost had a psychotic episode because of that. I think I relate to David Banner of the older The Incredible Hulk TV series. I find metaphysics interesting. I’m interested in attaining a higher state of consciousness through sleep deprivation. That can be dangerous, Mr. Mgee. Daniel Urtiz Constantine Catholics, unite against the police.

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Hi Daniel Where have you been?  Did you see the movie Constantine?  I thought it was pretty good. penguin

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Penguin, I didn’t see the movie Constantine. But I did see the promo for Constantine. It does seem like an interesting movie. My understanding is that Emperor Constantine made Christianity the official state religion at a time when Christians were receiving harsh treatment from pagan elements. For that, Emperor Constantine is to be commended. As a Roman Catholic, I can appreciate the benefits of free worship. Daniel Urtiz Constantine Catholics, unite against the police.

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The Roman Catholic religion is true, but the White Cause has stained it to the point of near irrepair. Is it mystery or have they become accustomed to raping and breaking rules? "Just war," I say, and don’t listen to the South American bishops on that one. Use your instincts, not always your mind. Instincts can be intelligent and arguments can be evil to you or to God, even when they seem intelligent enough.

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This is art: Secret Orders.

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The Roman Catholic religion can be romantic and that can have an effect of a social or psychological nature, even when it seems to lack susbtance. Helium headpiss might be physical, but it might also have energy or spiritual aspects. Perhaps it is in some way connected to the Holy Spirit, like the string Atropos would snip in Stephen King’s book "Insomnia". Jesus Christ descended into hell, but then arose into heaven, perhaps never to return. His halo was sometimes depicted as round. 3rd Christ might have gone straight to heaven and returned roughly a 1000 years later. 2nd Christ’s nature is more uncertain, but it might be best to avoid conceiving him in image form. My ontology is a blessing and it is that Mexicans CAN capsize ugly, when they must, whether it be to preserve their families, their religion, or their way of life. The blessing could be a bit prophetic and the ghosts of the air might pull them to it. It’s a reality that might have been stolen by historical elements, but known by God.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Sad Little god Those who profess to be Christians but adhere to the doctrine of evolution have a sad little god who cannot deliver.  They worship they know not what and it turns out to be a mixture of paganism and Christianity which, of course, is adultry. Their little god of theistic evolution is incapable of special creation or any class A or B miracles and they can never be certain about anything he says or writes.  They find it needful  to add or subtract from his words trying to fit them to the atheististic worldview yet affording some sembelence to Christianity.  Both of which have nothing to do with each other. It is no wonder they are so confused and rudderless. Yes, the sad little god of theistic  or progressive evolution cannot help them for he obviously cannot even help himself.  The question is: Why not come to the real God , the Creator of heaven and earth and all life, the Lord Jesus Christ who can save them and give them eternal life? "For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whosovever(put your name here) believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."  John 3:16

Book: "Finding Darwin’s God," by Dr. Kenneth R. Miller. Shalom, Bill

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The Sad Little god Those who profess to be Christians but adhere to the doctrine of evolution have a sad little god who cannot deliver.

There is no doctrine of evolution. There is the fact of evolution, and a scientific theory that explains that fact. But since you hate facts about God’s creation and knowledge about God’s creation, you must also hate God. N’est pa?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Sad Little god Those who profess to be Christians but adhere to the doctrine of evolution have a sad little god who cannot deliver.  They worship they know not what and it turns out to be a mixture of paganism and Christianity which, of course, is adultry. Their little god of theistic evolution is incapable of special creation or any class A or B miracles and they can never be certain about anything he says or writes.  They find it needful  to add or subtract from his words trying to fit them to the atheististic worldview yet affording some sembelence to Christianity.  Both of which have nothing to do with each other. It is no wonder they are so confused and rudderless. Yes, the sad little god of theistic  or progressive evolution cannot help them for he obviously cannot even help himself.  The question is: Why not come to the real God , the Creator of heaven and earth and all life, the Lord Jesus Christ who can save them and give them eternal life? "For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whosovever(put your name here) believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."  John 3:16

Pathetic No religion can survive at this intellectual level

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Sad Little god Those who profess to be Christians but adhere to the doctrine of evolution have a sad little god who cannot deliver.  They worship they know not what and it turns out to be a mixture of paganism and Christianity which, of course, is adultry. Their little god of theistic evolution is incapable of special creation or any class A or B miracles and they can never be certain about anything he says or writes.  They find it needful  to add or subtract from his words trying to fit them to the atheististic worldview yet affording some sembelence to Christianity.  Both of which have nothing to do with each other. It is no wonder they are so confused and rudderless. Yes, the sad little god of theistic  or progressive evolution cannot help them for he obviously cannot even help himself.  The question is: Why not come to the real God , the Creator of heaven and earth and all life, the Lord Jesus Christ who can save them and give them eternal life? "For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whosovever(put your name here) believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."  John 3:16 Pathetic No religion can survive at this intellectual level

Religion *requires* this intellectual level.

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the shithole god. DEATH TO GOD THE SHITHOLE. GOD HAS JUST MURDERED 100,000 PEOPLE WITH THE TSUNAMI. DO YOU WORSHIP SERIAL KILLERS ? DO YOU WORSHIP THE SERIAL KILLER GOD ??? GOD HAS COMMITTED MURDER ONE, DEATH TO GOD, GOD DESERVES TO DIE. SAVE THE WORLD, KILL GOD. THE ONLY GOOD GOD IS A DEAD GOD.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Sad Little god Those who profess to be Christians but adhere to the doctrine of evolution have a sad little god who cannot deliver.  They worship they know not what and it turns out to be a mixture of paganism and Christianity which, of course, is adultry. Their little god of theistic evolution is incapable of special creation or any class A or B miracles and they can never be certain about anything he says or writes.  They find it needful  to add or subtract from his words trying to fit them to the atheististic worldview yet affording some sembelence to Christianity.  Both of which have nothing to do with each other. It is no wonder they are so confused and rudderless. Yes, the sad little god of theistic  or progressive evolution cannot help them for he obviously cannot even help himself.  The question is: Why not come to the real God , the Creator of heaven and earth and all life, the Lord Jesus Christ who can save them and give them eternal life? "For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whosovever(put your name here) believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."  John 3:16

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It’s still there! alt.religion,christian.roman-catholic Simply astounding.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Sad Little god Those who profess to be Christians but adhere to the doctrine of evolution have a sad little god who cannot deliver.  They worship they know not what and it turns out to be a mixture of paganism and Christianity which, of course, is adultry. Their little god of theistic evolution is incapable of special creation or any class A or B miracles and they can never be certain about anything he says or writes.  They find it needful  to add or subtract from his words trying to fit them to the atheististic worldview yet affording some sembelence to Christianity.  Both of which have nothing to do with each other. It is no wonder they are so confused and rudderless. Yes, the sad little god of theistic  or progressive evolution cannot help them for he obviously cannot even help himself.  The question is: Why not come to the real God , the Creator of heaven and earth and all life, the Lord Jesus Christ who can save them and give them eternal life? "For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whosovever(put your name here) believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."  John 3:16 Pathetic No religion can survive at this intellectual level

Why respond to this Fool’s posts, he never has the decency to do the same

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Actually, the "sad little god" is the one that YM here believes in: the one that dictates a book to bring his followers to him, but can’t tell the stories without contradicting himself, such as the book of John versus the synoptic gospels, or the contradictory Resurrection morning accounts.  The same sad little god that tells his prophet, Ezekiel, that he’s sending King Nebs to destroy the previously unbeaten island city of Tyre, and then fails to do so. Sadly, YM worships this sad little god and thinks you should too, and when you point these problems in the text out to him, he runs away and denies that it’s true, when even a reasonable reading of the text can show you that he’s wrong. Of course, YM can’t even type the newsgroups he’s crossposting to without a typo, putting in a "," after "religion" in "alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic" instead of the "." character and then not even bothering to find it out when it’s pointed out to him repeatedly.

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The Sad Little god Those who profess to be Christians but adhere to the doctrine of evolution have a sad little god who cannot deliver.  They worship they know not what and it turns out to be a mixture of paganism and Christianity which, of course, is adultry. Their little god of theistic evolution is incapable of special creation or any class A or B miracles and they can never be certain about anything he says or writes.  They find it needful  to add or subtract from his words trying to fit them to the atheististic worldview yet affording some sembelence to Christianity.  Both of which have nothing to do with each other. It is no wonder they are so confused and rudderless. Yes, the sad little god of theistic  or progressive evolution cannot help them for he obviously cannot even help himself.  The question is: Why not come to the real God , the Creator of heaven and earth and all life, the Lord Jesus Christ who can save them and give them eternal life? "For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whosovever(put your name here) believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."  John 3:16

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alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, Mark (Mark <rogerpearse.caneatmy.smegma) said, directing the reply to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – johac lept out of the bushes shouting: (James)) said, directing the reply to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the United States! They had a bit about deep fried turkeys on BBC Radio 4 this morning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today5_turkey_20041… (realplayer required). Explains a lot, if you ask me…. There was a piece on the local news tonight about how the San Diego Fire Department is on alert today, because of the umber of houses set on fire each year from deep frying turkeys. I’ve never had it so I wouldn’t know, but roasting is fine with me. What on *earth has gotten into people they want to destroy a perfectly good turkey like that? Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious In Texas, there’s a delicacy called turkey fries. It’s deep fried — deep fried turkey balls (as in nuts, testicles, cajones). I won’t eat that either.

Which reminds me: A man in a posh restaurant in Spain asks for something different. The waiter brings a plate of food with two large meat-ball looking "things" in gravy. "What the hell’s this?" he asks. "well Senor, after the bullfight and the bull has lost, we eat the bull, nothing is wasted, this is a delicacy, please try it". The man has a tentative taste, "Hmm, not bad". He tries some more, decides he likes it and asks what it is. The waiter tells him that "You English call them sweetbreads, the Bull’s balls". "I’m not English, I’m Welsh but no matter, if you’d told me that first I wouldn’t have tried it but I like it". He liked it that much he had them on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday as well. On the Friday the waiter asks him what he’d like and the man says he’d like "Some more bollocks please". When the waiter brings the plate there’s two very small oval lumps in the gravy. "Hey, where’s the bollocks mate" he says. The waiter replies "Well Senor, the bull doesn’t always lose".

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, Mark (Mark <rogerpearse.caneatmy.smegma) said, directing the reply to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic johac lept out of the bushes shouting: (James)) said, directing the reply to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the United States! They had a bit about deep fried turkeys on BBC Radio 4 this morning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today5_turkey_20041… (realplayer required). Explains a lot, if you ask me…. There was a piece on the local news tonight about how the San Diego Fire Department is on alert today, because of the umber of houses set on fire each year from deep frying turkeys. I’ve never had it so I wouldn’t know, but roasting is fine with me. What on *earth has gotten into people they want to destroy a perfectly good turkey like that? Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious In Texas, there’s a delicacy called turkey fries. It’s deep fried — deep fried turkey balls (as in nuts, testicles, cajones). I won’t eat that either. Which reminds me: A man in a posh restaurant in Spain asks for something different. The waiter brings a plate of food with two large meat-ball looking "things" in gravy. "What the hell’s this?" he asks. "well Senor, after the bullfight and the bull has lost, we eat the bull, nothing is wasted, this is a delicacy, please try it". The man has a tentative taste, "Hmm, not bad". He tries some more, decides he likes it and asks what it is. The waiter tells him that "You English call them sweetbreads, the Bull’s balls". "I’m not English, I’m Welsh but no matter, if you’d told me that first I wouldn’t have tried it but I like it". He liked it that much he had them on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday as well. On the Friday the waiter asks him what he’d like and the man says he’d like "Some more bollocks please". When the waiter brings the plate there’s two very small oval lumps in the gravy. "Hey, where’s the bollocks mate" he says. The waiter replies "Well Senor, the bull doesn’t always lose".

LOL!! Good one.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious I’ve heard that. I’ll have to try it sometime. Probably in a restaurant since I don’t want incinerate my kitchen. The two times I’ve had it were at a pre-Thanksgiving pot luck lunch at work. Apparently this guy’s grandfather did it in the garage and had this whole pully thing set up attached to the ceiling to lower the turkey into the hot oil.  A friend of my husband who lives in Texas also highly recommends the deep fried turkey.  He’s part of a huge family and they have three turkeys: one deep fried, one smoked and one roasted. Now smoked turkey, that sounds interesting too. I bet that the leftovers would make nice turkey sandwiches.

Yum, I bet they would! See, that’s the one thing about going to my inlaws for Thanksgiving that I hate.  No leftovers for us And I was really craving them – Oh well. — Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious I have better things to do with a turkey fryer.  Like making something to wash the turkey down with. Is that how Old Turkey is made? Or are you thinking of Wild Turkey? Yeah. I got Wild Turkey confused with Old Crow. I need to keep my birdies and my bourbons straight. (Just between you me and the lamp post, I used to prefer Jack Daniels if I was going to drink that stuff.) Uck, I could never drink hard booze – Wine or beer only for me

About seven or eight years ago, I found out that I was drinking too much, so I had to cut it out. Now I limit myself to an occasional wine or beer with a meal. Once a year or so, I may have a mixed drink, but that’s about the extent of it. Getting old sucks. (But it sure beats the alternative!) — John Hachmann aa #1782 Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious I’ve heard that. I’ll have to try it sometime. Probably in a restaurant since I don’t want incinerate my kitchen. The two times I’ve had it were at a pre-Thanksgiving pot luck lunch at work. Apparently this guy’s grandfather did it in the garage and had this whole pully thing set up attached to the ceiling to lower the turkey into the hot oil.  A friend of my husband who lives in Texas also highly recommends the deep fried turkey.  He’s part of a huge family and they have three turkeys: one deep fried, one smoked and one roasted. Now smoked turkey, that sounds interesting too. I bet that the leftovers would make nice turkey sandwiches. Yum, I bet they would! See, that’s the one thing about going to my inlaws for Thanksgiving that I hate.  No leftovers for us And I was really craving them – Oh well.

I was lucky this year. I ate dinner at a friend’s who bought an impossibly large turkey. There was so much left over that they offered me a ‘care package’ which I accepted gladly. Cold turkey sandwiches. Yum! — John Hachmann aa #1782 Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious I have better things to do with a turkey fryer.  Like making something to wash the turkey down with. Is that how Old Turkey is made? Or are you thinking of Wild Turkey? Yeah. I got Wild Turkey confused with Old Crow. I need to keep my birdies and my bourbons straight. (Just between you me and the lamp post, I used to prefer Jack Daniels if I was going to drink that stuff.)

Uck, I could never drink hard booze – Wine or beer only for me — Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious I’ve heard that. I’ll have to try it sometime. Probably in a restaurant since I don’t want incinerate my kitchen. The two times I’ve had it were at a pre-Thanksgiving pot luck lunch at work. Apparently this guy’s grandfather did it in the garage and had this whole pully thing set up attached to the ceiling to lower the turkey into the hot oil.  A friend of my husband who lives in Texas also highly recommends the deep fried turkey.  He’s part of a huge family and they have three turkeys: one deep fried, one smoked and one roasted.

Now smoked turkey, that sounds interesting too. I bet that the leftovers would make nice turkey sandwiches. — John Hachmann aa #1782 Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious I have better things to do with a turkey fryer.  Like making something to wash the turkey down with. Is that how Old Turkey is made? Or are you thinking of Wild Turkey?

Yeah. I got Wild Turkey confused with Old Crow. I need to keep my birdies and my bourbons straight. (Just between you me and the lamp post, I used to prefer Jack Daniels if I was going to drink that stuff.) — John Hachmann aa #1782 Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04

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alt.atheism: Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious I have better things to do with a turkey fryer.  Like making something to wash the turkey down with. Sorry, that’s Wild Turkey. I must have been thinking about Old Crow.

Nah.  This Old Crow made beer, not ’shine. — "Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other.  They slander each other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in their teachings.  Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its side." – Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987 (random sig, produced by SigChanger) rukbat at verizon dot net

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alt.atheism: Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious I have better things to do with a turkey fryer.  Like making something to wash the turkey down with. Is that how Old Turkey is made?

I’ve never heard of anyone calling a brew ‘Old Turkey’. — "Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other.  They slander each other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in their teachings.  Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its side." – Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987 (random sig, produced by SigChanger) rukbat at verizon dot net

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – of the bushes shouting: johac lept out of the bushes shouting: (James)) said, directing the reply to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the United States! They had a bit about deep fried turkeys on BBC Radio 4 this morning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today5_turkey_20041… (realplayer required). Explains a lot, if you ask me…. There was a piece on the local news tonight about how the San Diego Fire Department is on alert today, because of the umber of houses set on fire each year from deep frying turkeys. I’ve never had it so I wouldn’t know, but roasting is fine with me. What on *earth has gotten into people they want to destroy a perfectly good turkey like that? Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious If you say so… <eying Robyn suspiciously

Child, please!  You ALWAYS eye me suspiciously!  (And so you should!) — Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – johac lept out of the bushes shouting: (James)) said, directing the reply to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the United States! They had a bit about deep fried turkeys on BBC Radio 4 this morning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today5_turkey_20041… (realplayer required). Explains a lot, if you ask me…. There was a piece on the local news tonight about how the San Diego Fire Department is on alert today, because of the umber of houses set on fire each year from deep frying turkeys. I’ve never had it so I wouldn’t know, but roasting is fine with me. What on *earth has gotten into people they want to destroy a perfectly good turkey like that? Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious

In Texas, there’s a delicacy called turkey fries. It’s deep fried — deep fried turkey balls (as in nuts, testicles, cajones). I won’t eat that either.

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of the bushes shouting: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – johac lept out of the bushes shouting: (James)) said, directing the reply to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the United States! They had a bit about deep fried turkeys on BBC Radio 4 this morning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today5_turkey_20041… (realplayer required). Explains a lot, if you ask me…. There was a piece on the local news tonight about how the San Diego Fire Department is on alert today, because of the umber of houses set on fire each year from deep frying turkeys. I’ve never had it so I wouldn’t know, but roasting is fine with me. What on *earth has gotten into people they want to destroy a perfectly good turkey like that? Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious

If you say so… <eying Robyn suspiciously — Mark K. Bilbo  -  a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org "Being surprised at the fact that the universe is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being surprised at how well it fits its hole" — Douglas Adams

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Sorry, that’s Wild Turkey. I must have been thinking about Old Crow. Must keep birds straight.

Now you can use a shot of Wild Turkey to wash down that plate of crow. — Teresita aka Ruby Redinger http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred

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snip Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious I’ve heard that. I’ll have to try it sometime. Probably in a restaurant since I don’t want incinerate my kitchen.

The two times I’ve had it were at a pre-Thanksgiving pot luck lunch at work. Apparently this guy’s grandfather did it in the garage and had this whole pully thing set up attached to the ceiling to lower the turkey into the hot oil.  A friend of my husband who lives in Texas also highly recommends the deep fried turkey.  He’s part of a huge family and they have three turkeys: one deep fried, one smoked and one roasted. — Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557

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Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious I have better things to do with a turkey fryer.  Like making something to wash the turkey down with. Is that how Old Turkey is made?

Or are you thinking of Wild Turkey? — Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557

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Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious I have better things to do with a turkey fryer.  Like making something to wash the turkey down with.

Is that how Old Turkey is made? — John Hachmann aa #1782 Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04

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Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious I have better things to do with a turkey fryer.  Like making something to wash the turkey down with.

Sorry, that’s Wild Turkey. I must have been thinking about Old Crow. Must keep birds straight. — John Hachmann aa #1782 Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04

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Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the United States!

Bah! Humbug!!

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Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious

I have better things to do with a turkey fryer.  Like making something to wash the turkey down with. — "Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other.  They slander each other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in their teachings.  Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its side." – Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987 (random sig, produced by SigChanger) rukbat at verizon dot net

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – johac lept out of the bushes shouting: (James)) said, directing the reply to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the United States! They had a bit about deep fried turkeys on BBC Radio 4 this morning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today5_turkey_20041… (realplayer required). Explains a lot, if you ask me…. There was a piece on the local news tonight about how the San Diego Fire Department is on alert today, because of the umber of houses set on fire each year from deep frying turkeys. I’ve never had it so I wouldn’t know, but roasting is fine with me. What on *earth has gotten into people they want to destroy a perfectly good turkey like that?

Have you ever had deep-fried turkey?  It’s delicious — Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557

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johac lept out of the bushes shouting: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (James)) said, directing the reply to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the United States! They had a bit about deep fried turkeys on BBC Radio 4 this morning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today5_turkey_20041… (realplayer required). Explains a lot, if you ask me…. There was a piece on the local news tonight about how the San Diego Fire Department is on alert today, because of the umber of houses set on fire each year from deep frying turkeys. I’ve never had it so I wouldn’t know, but roasting is fine with me.

What on *earth has gotten into people they want to destroy a perfectly good turkey like that? — Mark K. Bilbo  -  a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org "Being surprised at the fact that the universe is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being surprised at how well it fits its hole" — Douglas Adams

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (James)) said, directing the reply to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the United States! They had a bit about deep fried turkeys on BBC Radio 4 this morning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today5_turkey_20041… (realplayer required). Explains a lot, if you ask me….

There was a piece on the local news tonight about how the San Diego Fire Department is on alert today, because of the umber of houses set on fire each year from deep frying turkeys. I’ve never had it so I wouldn’t know, but roasting is fine with me. — John Hachmann aa #1782 Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04

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Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the United States!

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(James)) said, directing the reply to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the United States!

They had a bit about deep fried turkeys on BBC Radio 4 this morning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today5_turkey_20041… (realplayer required). Explains a lot, if you ask me….

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Murder of Pre Born Baby (Fetus) deleted I’ve got a challenge for you.  Try thinking of something else besides abortion.  Are you up to it?  Why not give it a try? You mean try to think of something that is not in existence? Just when it looks like you can’t lower your IQ any farther, you come up with something like this… I fail to see any relation between IQ and the above remark. The individual with the lower IQ is the one who can’t understand that a baby is not the same thing as a 3 month old fetus. You mean somehow the dna was altered in the interim from 3 months to birth? I’d doubt that. You mean somehow the fetus is a different person once it is born? It’s not a person *until* it’s born.  See Amendment XIV for particulars of citizenship:  human, alive, and born.   Per Amendment XIV a Fetus Is human, alive, and will be born (and is therefore it is a person).  

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States…" "born", not "will be born".

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you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic : – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Murder of Pre Born Baby (Fetus) Scott Peterson case:  "Killing of a human being or a fetus" Murder 2.  Websters on the conjunction "or": A co-ordinating conjunction introducing an alternative; specifically, (a) introducing the second of two choices, as, I’l offer him beer or wine; A Fetus (pre born Baby) is a Human in the early stages before birth,  …

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Babies move in the mothers womb, they have blood and they bleed just like you and I bleed. But you prefer that we bleed instead.

  The mother bleeds when her child is sliced away from her, and she bleeds even more knowing she took part in killing (aborting) her baby. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    We must stop this insanity of killing (aborting) the youngest of our own.

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I see today’s right wing religious fundamentalists as stone cold pharisaical hypocrites.  Religious rhetoric from them is like venom for the body of society. The last 50 years have seen a revival of pharisee types and red sheep to follow. That is what is driving people away from religion. Fundies: Trying to be white on the outside but full of death and ignorance inside.  But their translucence reveals the corpse within. Thats what I see when I see people like Dobson or Robertson and their army of liberty haters. The scriptures say HATE THIS LIFE and HATE OUR FLESH (your very nature!) and they surely do…and everyone else’s life, too. CHALLENGING CHRISTIANITY’S STORY OF ITSELF When the victors who write history lie:

http://community-2.webtv.net/Tales_of_the_Western_World/RL/ HUMOR – HUMOR – HUMOR – HUMOR – …….:-)) THE POST ELECTION 2004 MAP:

http://community-2.webtv.net/Tales_of_the_Western_World/2004/ EGYPT, IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA, PAKISTAN, SINGAPORE, MALAYSIA AND BENGLADESH ARE RED STATES, TOO!!!

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I see today’s right wing religious fundamentalists as stone cold pharisaical hypocrites.  Religious rhetoric from them is like venom for the body of society. The last 50 years have seen a revival of pharisee types and red sheep to follow. That is what is driving people away from religion. Correction; you do not need any excuses to hate and defy God. You are doing just fine all by yourself.

Hey JW, speaking of characteristics of hypocrites, have your written and sold any good porn lately?

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tried out the following unfamiliar role, forgetting people already know it. Follow up set. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Path: news.netfront.net!HSNX.atgi.net!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu !sn-xit-03!sn-xit-08!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com !not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.politics,alt.war.vietnam,alt.religion.ch ristian.roman-catholic Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Xref: news.netfront.net alt.religion.christian.baptist:394626 alt.politics:1567805 alt.war.vietnam:216164 alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic:539217 x-no-archive: yes  copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the group) I see today’s right wing religious fundamentalists as stone cold pharisaical hypocrites.  Religious rhetoric from them is like venom for the body of society. The last 50 years have seen a revival of pharisee types and red sheep to follow. That is what is driving people away from religion. Correction; you do not need any excuses to hate and defy God. You are

Indeed you are, with ever lie you tell it becomes more clear that were a god to exist, you are in direct opposition to its teachings. doing just fine all by yourself.

It is hard to imagine anyone could outdo jw in that aspect. snip

Ah, the tooth marks of a rabbit, unable to answer, & unable to justify the snip, so just snip. God bless!

& which nonexistent god would that be jezebeth, certainly not A’as, for there was a god of wisd0om & he would see through your lies as the sun shines through a lightly overcast sky. You could not take the scrutiny, so it can not be that god. j w

walksalone who has not doubt jw is a very good xian, just ask him. If you can get him to shut up long enough that is. —  The Hadith Qudsi 6 The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr. He will be brought and Allah will make known to him His favours and he will recognize them. The Almighty will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied – you did but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire.

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cocked a leg & fell over. followups set as a matter of courtesy to arcb where people are free to feed the troll. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Path: news.netfront.net!HSNX.atgi.net!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!teth ys.csu.net!nntp.csufresno.edu!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com! corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.politics,alt.war.vietnam,alt.religion.ch ristian.roman-catholic Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Xref: news.netfront.net alt.religion.christian.baptist:394902 alt.politics:1569361 alt.war.vietnam:216328 alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic:539572 x-no-archive: yes  copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the group) I see today’s right wing religious fundamentalists as stone cold pharisaical hypocrites.  Religious rhetoric from them is like venom for the body of society. The last 50 years have seen a revival of pharisee types and red sheep to follow. That is what is driving people away from religion. Correction; you do not need any excuses to hate and defy God. You are doing just fine all by yourself. Hey JW, speaking of characteristics of hypocrites, have your written and sold any good porn lately? Hey, meathead!  If you are all that interested in porn, I’m sure you

 act like one, but its unusual to see you admit it publicly. could find a bountiful supply right here on the web.

Why hunt when arcb has a resident artist’e de porn that certainly is not bashful about using insinuations & typical sand box threats to try to get its way. For your information, shit-breath, I have NEVER sold "porn."  And

But you offered it for sale, & claimed to be its author, as well as several stroke pieces, & lets not forget the sex life of the super stud, jw. What a book that would make, what, one paragraph? "porn" is in the eyes of the beholder.

Indeed, & being you offered it for sale, it must have been porn to you. You likely consider Snow White porn.

Now that you mention it, I have heard that it is, & there is a movie to prove it. Bit old for training films myself, but you might want to rent it. God bless!

which one do you think would want you enough to do what you say, Fein, no, how about the god of hangovers & upset stomachs? j w

walksalone who notes jw is in fine form today, he might crack a hundred posts in 24 hours if he keeps this up, to bad they are useless. —  The Hadith Qudsi 6 The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr. He will be brought and Allah will make known to him His favours and he will recognize them. The Almighty will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied – you did but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip Tell that to the 70% of the world’s population who are not Christian. <snip I have to differ with you on that fact.  There are approximately 2 billion Christians, and despite what people may think, that number is increasing due to missions in China, Haiti, Brazil and other countries.  (My pastor went on a mission trip to Brazil and over 5,000 people "walked the aisle" to receive Jesus Christ as their Savior)  Anyway, the percentage would be roughly 66%, not 70%.  Now, you might say, "Well, close enough…" but 4% of 6 billion is 24 million, which is roughly one twelfth of the population of our entire country.  (i.e.  Quite a few people)  ;-)  Also, a great many of the ones who do fall in the 66% are not non-believers by choice, they are non-believers because they’ve never heard the Gospel.  It negates the concept that all of those people are non-believers by choice. Jonathan

AMEN to that, Jonathan. And if those individuals who choose to reject the Lord don’t change their minds before it is too late, they will have no one to blame but themselves. They cannot honestly say they were never warned, or that

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Religious participation in the Western world is on the decline, no way to escape that fact.

still remains that no matter how few the Christians, they will STILL BE HEARD. There is nothing you  lying atheists can do about it, either. God knows His own, and He WILL see they are heard. If you don’t want to believe me, do  your own research.

I’ve done lots of research into different religious beliefs, denominations and cults…… and I alsop did a lot of research on route. Perhaps your pastor should quit converting the Catholics

the romanists are the ones who imagine ‘they’ will convert us to their false teaching religion. Some DO defect to romanism, yes, but the true Christians wil not. and worry more abut the home front. Europe’s numbers have been in a slide for years,

And you atheists have been, and continue to be on the downhill slide in more ways than one. Every second that you remain an atheist lowers you into the pit faster and faster. But go ahead; laugh at my comment, tell me I’m a mental case believing in a myth——-  I don’t really care, because you’ll only be fooling yourself.  In England church attendance is around the 10% mark. Hopefully in fifty years people of the world won’t feel the need to live a myth.

Church attendance doesn’t make or break Christianity. There are many Christians who choos NOT to attend any particular church for one reason or another, and  it still does not mean they are any less Christian or that they ‘no longer believe’. The church building is not what counts, but the BELIEF AND FAITH IS.

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Pious drivel

Why do you think so? Please be a little more verbose.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 4 Observations Those poor lost souls who believe that God’s Word, the Bible, is not truth should consider the following four observations: 1. Prophecy(for telling of future events)-   read your newspapers today 2. Faithfulness & integrity-  God’s chosen nation/people the Jews 3. Sin-  see your own human pride 4. Salvation- watch a sinner become a saint through Gods’ regeneration Yes, God’s Word is not only true and current to the human condition but is completly trustworthy.  Great powers of the past have tried to destroy His Word but instead they were destroyed and the Bible remains and will remain until the end.

AMEN to that. VERY true. "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." The Lord Jesus Christ (Matt 5:18)

Yup. But trying to get these atheists to recognize that truth is almost like pulling hens’ teeth…..

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4 Observations Those poor lost souls who believe that God’s Word, the Bible, is not truth should consider the following four observations: Mat 19:18 "…Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false

witness…." So, Elmer– are you saying, then, that IKH is lying in saying that the Bible is truthful?

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Great powrs of the past have not tried to destroy his word. Christianity of the past killed and / or tortured everyone who would not accept its ludicrous claims.

That was not Christianity, though. The cult responsible, namely the Roman Catholic cult, imprisoned, tortured and murdered anyone who refused to accept its lies and false teachings. In those days, the God-accursed thing DID wield much power, but not GODLY power. It claimed to be doing what it did ‘in the name of God’, but nothing could have been further from the truth. bold-faced, arrogant romanist lie. Jesus would have nothing whatsoever to do with a religion as bloodthirsty, greedy, arrogant, lying, and perverted in more ways than one…. as the romanist denomination. Let those romanists who are still infesting these other groups claim I am ‘hatefilled’ all they like—— what i’m saying is the truth.

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And you should consider these four words(OK,5) Delusion-Religious belief

only according to you. The TRUTH IS, you are the ones in delusion. Satan has fooled you into thinking God doesn’t ‘exist’. So admit it, atheist—— who do you serve??? Jos 24:15  And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. False Hope-What you have for your life

only according to you. A CHRISTIAN  doesn’t have false hope. What a Christian HAS is the promise of eternal life with the Savior. Just because you refuse to accept the Lord, that does not make Christians fools, living in an imaginary sense of security, by ANY means. Bigotry-What you have shown here

yo claim IKH is bigoted? He IS posting to Christian groups, of his belief in the Lord. YOU, OTOH, are an atheist posting to Christian groups in your feeble attempts to create dissension in any way you can. WHO is the real bigot then? Exo 8:23  And I will put a division between my people and thy people: tomorrow shall this sign be. Joh 7:43  So there was a division among the people because of him. Hate-What I have for you

A certain EARMARK of the atheist. Just remember though, that for every other personj YOU hate, you hate yourself that much also. Argue over it if you insist, but I will not haggle over it with you. You hate others so much, it is blatantly obvious that you also hate yourself.

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Hopefully in fifty years people of the world won’t feel the need to live a myth. Amen, brother!

You obviously don’t even know the real meaning of AMEN, because God’s no myth to real Christians. AMEN means ‘Let it be so" … so what are you chanting YOUR feeble ‘amen, brother’ to ? You jest, of course, but your mocking will not go unpunished. Gal 6:7  Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

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If you bothered to read Paul’s letters, he calls himself "the chief of sinners."

he got that right!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the group) 4 Observations Those poor lost souls who believe that God’s Word, the Bible, is not truth should consider the following four observations: 1. Prophecy(for telling of future events)-   read your newspapers today Ah, yes. The venerable "art" of postdiction. Show me one correct Biblical "prophecy" that isn’t the result of creative interpretation after the fact. Just one. EASILY. You obviously haven’t read Daniel. Nor have you read the MULTITUDE of prophesies concerning Messiah, like Psalm 22, 23, and 24.

Umm, Liar John, you obviously have never heard of the Jewish midrashic tradition – the retelling of old myths with a new slant to explain their liturgical practices. Your so-called *prophecies* are merely Christian use of that midrash tradition to build a case for their god-man, Jesus. So yes, your prophecies really *are* interpretations of O.T. myth. Shalom, Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You have not found the passages that tell where He’d be born, (Bethlehem Ephrata), or the passage that said He’d be betrayed for silver coins (why not gold? why not copper? why not brass?)  The prophet said silver. 2. Faithfulness & integrity-  God’s chosen nation/people the Jews So your perfect god plays favorites? Yes, He blesses the righteous and doesn’t bless the unrighteous. However, He does give the unrighteous the very basics, like food, water, and sunlight. 3. Sin-  see your own human pride And there are none so full of pride as those who believe they are the pinnacle of their god’s creation. I don’t believe any Christian believes we are anything "higher" than sinners saved by grace. We DO believe that MANKIND is God’s highest creation. If you bothered to read Paul’s letters, he calls himself "the chief of sinners." Those who are the worst critics of the Bible are those who have never bothered to read it. The Bible: the one book the critics never bother to read before they critique it. jw God bless! j w

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Ah, yes. The venerable "art" of postdiction. Show me one correct Biblical "prophecy" that isn’t the result of creative interpretation after the fact. Just one.

There are numerous verses in the Bible which discuss prophecies. Tons in the OLD TESTAMENT, but I am taking these from the NEW: Mat 15:7-9   7  Ye hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, 8  This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoreth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Act 2:17-33   17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18  And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19  And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke: 20  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: 21  And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. 22  Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23  Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24  Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. 25  For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26  Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27  Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28  Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29  Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day. 30  Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31  He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32  This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33  Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Rom 12:6  Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; 1Co 14:31  For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. These are only several– there are numerous passages concerning prophecies in the Bible…… 2. Faithfulness & integrity-  God’s chosen nation/people the Jews So your perfect god plays favorites?

I don’t believe he said any such thing. Why read extra words in his post that he never said? Act 10:34  Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 3. Sin-  see your own human pride And there are none so full of pride as those who believe they are the pinnacle of their god’s creation.

I don’t believe IKH said THAT, either.  Again, you are trying to put wording into his post that he never said, or even implied. To be overly-pridefilled IS a sin. To have pride in one’s appearance, no— to have so much pride though, that you refuse to tell the truth to cover your own hide, or you are needy, and refuse to ask for help, or accept it when offered, is another thing. 4. Salvation- watch a sinner become a saint through Gods’ regeneration I’ve seen people turn their lives around many times. I even know a few who give the credit to some god or other. But I’ve never seen a shred of actual proof that any supernatural agency was involved.

The reason WHY is obvious, John. You are an atheist, and you are spiritually blinded, because you reject the Lord. I can only hope and pray you ACCEPT HIM before it’s too late. Joh 12:40  He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. Rom 11:7  What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 2Co 3:14  But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. 2Co 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 1Jo 2:11  But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. Yes, God’s Word is not only true and current to the human condition but is completly trustworthy.  Great powers of the past have tried to destroy His Word but instead they were destroyed and the Bible remains and will remain until the end. Tell that to the 70% of the world’s population who are not Christian.

Your problem is, you think that by your falsely insisting that ‘God doesn’t exist’… and by referring to Him as ‘a god’ — you imagine you will win out and manage to confuse more people. The TRUTH IS, you will fail in your attempt. Whether 70% or 95% of the inhabitants are unchristian, those 5% remaining will STILL be heard, as God will see to that. Your arrogance and insistence that God doesn’t exist will be yopur own downfall, not ours. "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." The Lord Jesus Christ (Matt 5:18) Well, this just verifies what I’ve thought all along, IDon’tKnowShit.

You really don’t need to be so hard on yourself, but no , you DON’T know..  You  really aren’t the observant type. <G Actually, he is more observant than some I’ve seen in here. — then WHY are you here posting in a Christian group?

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4 Observations Those poor lost souls who believe that God’s Word, the Bible, is not truth should consider the following four observations: 1. Prophecy(for telling of future events)-   read your newspapers today 2. Faithfulness & integrity-  God’s chosen nation/people the Jews 3. Sin-  see your own human pride 4. Salvation- watch a sinner become a saint through Gods’ regeneration Yes, God’s Word is not only true and current to the human condition but is completly trustworthy.  Great powers of the past have tried to destroy His Word but instead they were destroyed and the Bible remains and will remain until the end. "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."  The Lord Jesus Christ (Matt 5:18)

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4 Observations Those poor lost souls who believe that God’s Word, the Bible, is not truth should consider the following four observations: 1. Prophecy(for telling of future events)-   read your newspapers today

Nowhere is the Holocaust or the founding of the State of Israel foretold.  The opening of Japan also is never foretold.  Any alleged prophesies extending this far forward are either fail the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" test or are apply to a very limited set of parochial circumstances to the point of irrelevancy. 2. Faithfulness & integrity-  God’s chosen nation/people the Jews

It’s not "chosen" it’s a Covenant – a legal deal requiring certain behaviors and an imposition of behavioral standards. 3. Sin-  see your own human pride

Check your mirror 4. Salvation- watch a sinner become a saint through Gods’ regeneration

Per Judaism, done annually via repentance and a request for forgiveness.   Applies universally. Yes, God’s Word is not only true and current to the human condition but is completly trustworthy.

It’s not God’s word that’s the issue, it’s the problems caused by God’s interpreters.    Great powers of the past have tried to destroy His Word but instead they were destroyed and the Bible remains and will remain until the end. "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."  The Lord Jesus Christ (Matt 5:18)

He should talk – Christianity abrogated the Covenant, added canonical texts and ignored others.  Christians failed Jesus miserably in this regard

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4 Observations Those poor lost souls who believe that God’s Word, the Bible, is not truth should consider the following four observations: 1. Prophecy(for telling of future events)-   read your newspapers today

Ah, yes. The venerable "art" of postdiction. Show me one correct Biblical "prophecy" that isn’t the result of creative interpretation after the fact. Just one. 2. Faithfulness & integrity-  God’s chosen nation/people the Jews

So your perfect god plays favorites? 3. Sin-  see your own human pride

And there are none so full of pride as those who believe they are the pinnacle of their god’s creation. 4. Salvation- watch a sinner become a saint through Gods’ regeneration

I’ve seen people turn their lives around many times. I even know a few who give the credit to some god or other. But I’ve never seen a shred of actual proof that any supernatural agency was involved. Yes, God’s Word is not only true and current to the human condition but is completly trustworthy.  Great powers of the past have tried to destroy His Word but instead they were destroyed and the Bible remains and will remain until the end.

Tell that to the 70% of the world’s population who are not Christian. "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."  The Lord Jesus Christ (Matt 5:18)

Well, this just verifies what I’ve thought all along, IDon’tKnowShit. You really aren’t the observant type. <G

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One observation: learn how to set your computer’s clock.

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<snip Tell that to the 70% of the world’s population who are not Christian.

<snip I have to differ with you on that fact.  There are approximately 2 billion Christians, and despite what people may think, that number is increasing due to missions in China, Haiti, Brazil and other countries.  (My pastor went on a mission trip to Brazil and over 5,000 people "walked the aisle" to receive Jesus Christ as their Savior)  Anyway, the percentage would be roughly 66%, not 70%.  Now, you might say, "Well, close enough…" but 4% of 6 billion is 24 million, which is roughly one twelfth of the population of our entire country.  (i.e.  Quite a few people)  ;-)  Also, a great many of the ones who do fall in the 66% are not non-believers by choice, they are non-believers because they’ve never heard the Gospel.  It negates the concept that all of those people are non-believers by choice. Jonathan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip Tell that to the 70% of the world’s population who are not Christian. <snip I have to differ with you on that fact.  There are approximately 2 billion Christians, and despite what people may think, that number is increasing due to missions in China, Haiti, Brazil and other countries.  (My pastor went on a mission trip to Brazil and over 5,000 people "walked the aisle" to receive Jesus Christ as their Savior)  Anyway, the percentage would be roughly 66%, not 70%.  Now, you might say, "Well, close enough…" but 4% of 6 billion is 24 million, which is roughly one twelfth of the population of our entire country.  (i.e.  Quite a few people)  ;-)  Also, a great many of the ones who do fall in the 66% are not non-believers by choice, they are non-believers because they’ve never heard the Gospel.  It negates the concept that all of those people are non-believers by choice. Jonathan

The estimated current population of the world is 6.5 billion. That means the 70% is close enough when you consider that we are dealing with estimates, not exact data. Religious participation in the Western world is on the decline, no way to escape that fact. If you don’t want to believe me, do your own research. Those in the US that are classified as atheists or no-religion numbered 14 million in 1990. In 2001 that number was 29 million. Perhaps your pastor should quit converting the Catholics and worry more abut the home front. Europe’s numbers have been in a slide for years, In England church attendance is around the 10% mark. Hopefully in fifty years people of the world won’t feel the need to live a myth.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 4 Observations Those poor lost souls who believe that God’s Word, the Bible, is not truth should consider the following four observations: 1. Prophecy(for telling of future events)-   read your newspapers today 2. Faithfulness & integrity-  God’s chosen nation/people the Jews 3. Sin-  see your own human pride 4. Salvation- watch a sinner become a saint through Gods’ regeneration Yes, God’s Word is not only true and current to the human condition but is completly trustworthy.  Great powers of the past have tried to destroy His Word but instead they were destroyed and the Bible remains and will remain until the end. "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."  The Lord Jesus Christ (Matt 5:18)

Pious drivel

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 4 Observations Those poor lost souls who believe that God’s Word, the Bible, is not truth should consider the following four observations: 1. Prophecy(for telling of future events)-   read your newspapers today 2. Faithfulness & integrity-  God’s chosen nation/people the Jews 3. Sin-  see your own human pride 4. Salvation- watch a sinner become a saint through Gods’ regeneration Yes, God’s Word is not only true and current to the human condition but is completly trustworthy.  Great powers of the past have tried to destroy His Word but instead they were destroyed and the Bible remains and will remain until the end. "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."  The Lord Jesus Christ (Matt 5:18)

And you should consider these four words(OK,5) Delusion-Religious belief False Hope-What you have for your life Bigotry-What you have shown here Hate-What I have for you

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Four more words for you,idiot SHUT THE FUCK UP

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Those poor lost souls who believe that God’s Word, the Bible, is not truth should consider the following four observations: 1. Prophecy(for telling of future events)-   read your newspapers today

Could you be a little more specific please? 2. Faithfulness & integrity-  God’s chosen nation/people the Jews

What about them? 3. Sin-  see your own human pride

This is ridiculous.  Pride is only "wrong" according to your standards. Yes, God’s Word is not only true and current to the human condition but is completly trustworthy.  Great powers of the past have tried to destroy His Word but instead they were destroyed and the Bible remains and will remain until the end.

Great powrs of the past have not tried to destroy his word.  Christianity of the past killed and / or tortured everyone who would not accept its ludicrous claims. "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."  The Lord Jesus Christ (Matt 5:18)

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither and slay them before me." ‘Lord’ Jesus Christ (Luke 19:27) -RR

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4 Observations Those poor lost souls who believe that God’s Word, the Bible, is not truth should consider the following four observations:

Mat 19:18 "…Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness…."

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(snip) If you are expecting the Bible to say that "in the 20th Century, an Adolph Hitler will mount a scourge of the Jewish people…" you will not find it.

Why not? If the prophecy was to be really accurate, why not?

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Hopefully in fifty years people of the world won’t feel the need to live a myth.

Amen, brother!

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4 Observations Yes, God’s Word is not only true and current to the human condition but is completly trustworthy.  Great powers of the past have tried to destroy His Word but instead they were destroyed and the Bible remains and will remain until the end.

The Bible is not the WORD OF GOD. I cannot understand this Fundamentalist position. Read the Gospel of John. The Word is the Living Word.. i.e. GOD. The Bible is a group of books written about the word, but incapable of accurately representing it. The LIVING WORD is greater than any Grammer. there were many books written about Jesus (called Joshua Ben Adam in Hewbrew).. The ones that were included in the official bible where those chosen by the Church to agree with Church Tradition. The Bible is a reflection of Church Tradition. If you say the ‘Bible will remian until the end’ you are making a plea for infallibitlity of Church Tradition… you are not making a plea to The Word of God.. who the bible at best only witnesses of in a church sanctioned manner. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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The sun is disappearing behind the mountains. In all the valleys, the night is taking over, with its shadows and its chill.

The chair is against the wall. John has a green mohawk. The bird is in the nest.

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The Swing State: "Off with his ‘Ed"

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Holy Jesus! I voted for the wrong guy! — Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus      www.lds.org      www.mormons.com

The sun is disappearing behind the mountains. In all the valleys, the night is taking over, with its shadows and its chill.

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And my underwear is riding up, too? Can’t win, today. — Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus      www.lds.org      www.mormons.com

The sun is disappearing behind the mountains. In all the valleys, the night is taking over, with its shadows and its chill. Secret Jesuit super-killer code response: "The long rocket is in the warm barn."

Sub-masonic relay: "The Paradise Bird is thus given life. Stop. The Bird has flown. Stop. Tuesday Revelation". Norwood Holden: The Man, The Myth & the Web Site: http://www.norwoodholden.force9.co.uk/ Mutato-Evolving Work

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The sun is disappearing behind the mountains. In all the valleys, the night is taking over, with its shadows and its chill. Secret Jesuit super-killer code response:   "The long rocket is in the warm barn."

Sub-masonic relay: "The Paradise Bird is thus given life. Stop. The Bird has flown. Stop. Tuesday Revelation". Norwood Holden: The Man, The Myth & the Web Site: http://www.norwoodholden.force9.co.uk/ Mutato-Evolving Work

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alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, Norwood Holden reply to   alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic The sun is disappearing behind the mountains. In all the valleys, the night is taking over, with its shadows and its chill. Secret Jesuit super-killer code response:   "The long rocket is in the warm barn." Sub-masonic relay: "The Paradise Bird is thus given life. Stop. The Bird has flown. Stop. Tuesday Revelation".

But what of the caged whale?

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The sun is disappearing behind the mountains. In all the valleys, the night is taking over, with its shadows and its chill. Secret Jesuit super-killer code response: "The long rocket is in the warm barn."

The little red engine huffed and puffed. The fat controller puffed even louder.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes  copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the group) The sun is disappearing behind the mountains. In all the valleys, the night is taking over, with its shadows and its chill. Secret Jesuit super-killer code response:   "The long rocket is in the warm barn." Secret Baptist assassin’s code: There’s a bottle rocket in Davey Jones’ closet.

Er, that’s "locker," remember? Davey Jones’ LOCKER. . . *GRIN* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – jw God bless! j w

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The sun is disappearing behind the mountains. In all the valleys, the night is taking over, with its shadows and its chill.

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The sun is disappearing behind the mountains. In all the valleys, the night is taking over, with its shadows and its chill.

Secret Jesuit super-killer code response:   "The long rocket is in the warm barn." — Teresita aka Ruby Redinger http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred

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 Islam is evry similar to jewish Christianity like it or not Jewish Christianity? What is that?

 Jews who believe in Jesus as Christ/Messiah of Israel but unlike  Paul hold to the Old Covenant of their fathers with God.  These are the believers James was talking about with Paul  in Acts 21:18.  They circumcised their boys on the 8th day according to Moses custom  They shared the synagogue service with the Jews who did not believe  in Jesus.  They did not have the Lord supper  They did not think that Jesus was the Son of God in physical sense.  They boasted about the superiority of the Old Convenant over the New.  They hated Paul because his doctrine against the Law/Torah of Moses…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Val

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you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :  Islam is evry similar to jewish Christianity like it or not Jewish Christianity? What is that? Val

Christianity IS the fulfillment of Judaism, is it not?  Jesus IS a Jew, isn’t He? Christian

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible.  The Bible clearly says that Christ died on the cross.  Islam denies this, so there is really nothing more to say.  When you say Islam denied that Christ deied, I am sure you allude  to the verse which states:  "They says, we killed the Messiah, Jesus the Son of Mary, the killed Him   not…" Qur’an…   The "They" is supposed to satnd for "Jews"   As far as we know no Jew has ever said that Jesus was the Messiah   yet the verse clearly states that they say that they killed him This verse from the Quran was taken from the unorthodox gospel of Barnabus.  In this gospel, Jesus, by magic, leaves the cross and escapes.  Judas was crucified instead. Mohammed’s writings when mentioning Christian or Jewish scriptures usually are taken from unorthodox writings.

 Platitude. The author, not Mohammad, is making a theological statement  not a historical one  in response to Paul’ stance on the Old covenant.  As we already said the author is in favor of the Old Covenant so he  tailoring his teaching  to meet the requirement of the old Covenant doctrines.  Y’a like easy way out.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible.  The Bible clearly says that Christ died on the cross.  Islam denies this, so there is really nothing more to say.  When you say Islam denied that Christ deied, I am sure you allude  to the verse which states:  "They says, we killed the Messiah, Jesus the Son of Mary, the killed Him   not…" Qur’an…   The "They" is supposed to satnd for "Jews"   As far as we know no Jew has ever said that Jesus was the Messiah   yet the verse clearly states that they say that they killed him This verse from the Quran was taken from the unorthodox gospel of Barnabus.  In this gospel, Jesus, by magic, leaves the cross and escapes.  Judas was crucified instead. Mohammed’s writings when mentioning Christian or Jewish scriptures usually are taken from unorthodox writings.

 The unorthodox Gospel you allude to was written by a Muslim way after  the Qur’an was edited. He did so to justify his islamic theology.

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The Quran’s author was mohammed. You are amazingly stupid.

 "Did not we find you orphan and give you a sheltter?  Did not we magnify your name?"…. Qur’an  Who is asking these questions?  For a stupid like you it must be Mohammad.  To whom the questions were addressed?  Maybe to an angel? or what?  Now who is the stupid one?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible.  The Bible clearly says that Christ died on the cross.  Islam denies this, so there is really nothing more to say.  When you say Islam denied that Christ deied, I am sure you allude  to the verse which states:  "They says, we killed the Messiah, Jesus the Son of Mary, the killed  Him   not…" Qur’an…   The "They" is supposed to satnd for "Jews"   As far as we know no Jew has ever said that Jesus was the Messiah   yet the verse clearly states that they say that they killed him This verse from the Quran was taken from the unorthodox gospel of Barnabus.  In this gospel, Jesus, by magic, leaves the cross and escapes.  Judas was crucified instead. Mohammed’s writings when mentioning Christian or Jewish scriptures usually are taken from unorthodox writings.  Platitude. The author, not Mohammad, is making a theological statement  not a historical one The Quran’s author was mohammed.

 "We sent you as an apostle and a warner so that you may believe in God and  his Apostle, help Him, praise Him and sing for Him evening and morning."  "Remember when Jesus asked," Who will assists me in the way of God, the  disciples replied, we shall be the helpers of God bear witness, we are  Muslims…." Qur’an  Who is doing the speaking?  For you that is Mohammad.  To who is the speach addressed?  Still for you it is addressed to Mohammad.  So Mohammad is addressing the speach to Himself?  A kind of monologue?  Does this make sense or does thinking just gives headache? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are amazingly stupid.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible.  The Bible clearly says that Christ died on the cross.  Islam denies this, so there is really nothing more to say.  When you say Islam denied that Christ deied, I am sure you allude  to the verse which states:  "They says, we killed the Messiah, Jesus the Son of Mary, the killed  Him   not…" Qur’an…   The "They" is supposed to satnd for "Jews"   As far as we know no Jew has ever said that Jesus was the Messiah   yet the verse clearly states that they say that they killed him This verse from the Quran was taken from the unorthodox gospel of Barnabus.  In this gospel, Jesus, by magic, leaves the cross and escapes.  Judas was crucified instead. Mohammed’s writings when mentioning Christian or Jewish scriptures usually are taken from unorthodox writings.  Platitude. The author, not Mohammad, is making a theological statement  not a historical one

The Quran’s author was mohammed. You are amazingly stupid. — Kerry – two medals a silver and bronze star. Bush? Well they don’t give medals for going AWOL, missing your medical and getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool. Kerry – a hero, Bush – a zero Cheerful Charlie

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Wrong.  Paul’s Epistles were considered as Gospel by the Apostles.

***How do you know this? There were hundred of epistles and gospels and other assorted writings circulating among the various churches before the Canon of the N.T. was decided in 475 A.D. Al

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Why not?  Even as an American in the 21st century, I am both circumcised and I partake of the Lord’s Supper.

I’ll bet you’re proud of the fact that your parents mutilated you. They thought that since you were a baby, you couldn’t feel anything and it was ok to cut body parts off you.  And then there’s your God, what’s his hangup with penis parts anyway?  Is your god some sort of pervert? The Pope is very useful.  Pope JPII has been a loud and clear voice for human life, freedom, and dignity.  I love the man – and I am a Protestant.

The current pope is a pathetic, senile old moron. Wrong.  Paul’s Epistles were considered as Gospel by the Apostles.

Wrong.  Paul’s Epistles were never mentioned once in the gospels, you fool.  Not only that, but Paul’s epistles never once mentioned the gospels either.  Guess which ones were written first?

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Why not?  Even as an American in the 21st century, I am both circumcised and I partake of the Lord’s Supper.

And you’ve been mourning the loss of your better half ever since I’ve got news for you; that cracker and grape juice isn’t the Lord’s Supper outside the Church.  A tip from your Uncle Joe.

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Why not?  Even as an American in the 21st century, I am both circumcised and I partake of the Lord’s Supper. And you’ve been mourning the loss of your better half ever since I’ve got news for you; that cracker and grape juice isn’t the Lord’s Supper outside the Church.  A tip from your Uncle Joe.

Yeah, right.  A pedophile wearing a dress has to mumble some magic words over it first.

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 Why not?  Even as an American in the 21st century, I am both  circumcised and I partake of the Lord’s Supper.

 But you were not circumcised on the 8th day according to the ritual  of Abraham, were you?  This is in fact what Paul was debating in Galatians et Je cite:"If  anyone get circumcised he must keep the whole Law.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PAUL’S ARRIVAL AT JERUSALEM  When we arrived at Jerusalem,the brothers received us warmly.  The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all  elders were present. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what  God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.  When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul:" You see  brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed in Jesus as the  Messiah/Christ, and all of them are zealous for the Law/Torah.  They have been informed that you teach all the JEWS who live among  the Gentiles to TURN AWAY from MOSES, telling them not to circumcise  their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do?  They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you.  There are four men with us who have made a vow.  Take these men,join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,  so that they can have heads shaved. Then everybody will know  there is no truth in these reports about you.But that you yourself  are living in obedience to the Law.  As for the Gentile believers, we have written them our decision that  they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood,  from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."  The Next day Paul took the men and purified hmself along with them.  Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the day  of purification would end and the offering would be made would be made  for each of them. Acts 21:17-26  -Given the above If anyone says that Christianity was of harmonized  doctrines from the start, he is ignorant.  -If anyone can not trace Islam back to James, he doen’t know how to  investigate nor does he understand the message of the Qur’an and  culture. There has been through history, some jewish Christians who  held dear to the old convenant. I believe that the author of the Qur’an  is one of them Huh?  Islam claims to trace itself back to Adam!  But just for grins and giggles, let’s see what else you have.

 Same For Catholicism. All the old Covenant people were  Christians  before Christ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PAUL’S ARRIVAL AT JERUSALEM  When we arrived at Jerusalem,the brothers received us warmly.  The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all  elders were present. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what  God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.  When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul:" You see  brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed in Jesus as the  Messiah/Christ, and all of them are zealous for the Law/Torah.  They have been informed that you teach all the JEWS who live among  the Gentiles to TURN AWAY from MOSES, telling them not to circumcise  their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do?  They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you.  There are four men with us who have made a vow.  Take these men,join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,  so that they can have heads shaved. Then everybody will know  there is no truth in these reports about you.But that you yourself  are living in obedience to the Law.  As for the Gentile believers, we have written them our decision that  they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood,  from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."  The Next day Paul took the men and purified hmself along with them.  Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the day  of purification would end and the offering would be made would be made  for each of them. Acts 21:17-26  -Given the above If anyone says that Christianity was of harmonized  doctrines from the start, he is ignorant.  -If anyone can not trace Islam back to James, he doen’t know how to  investigate nor does he understand the message of the Qur’an and  culture. There has been through history, some jewish Christians who  held dear to the old convenant. I believe that the author of the Qur’an  is one of them Huh?  Islam claims to trace itself back to Adam!  But just for grins and giggles, let’s see what else you have.  -If anyone can not trace the Orthodoxy Catholic back to Paul,  he is a clueles idiot and a dogmatic. Many of the key elements of Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant thought come from Paul.

 So you agree with me????

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Wrong.  Paul’s Epistles were considered as Gospel by the Apostles.

 Are you talking about the substance in the epistles or the epistles  itselves. Then we should have 12 Gospels from Paul?  Let me refer you to Paul’s speech to the Athenian at the  Aeropagus. This is the Gospel and it is spread in the Qur’an  ****If anyone can help defeat fundanmentalism, integrism,obcurantism  and any other isms or the missionaries out there, let him join us  to restore the integrity of HISTORY History and Islam have nothing to do with each other.

 Because you don’t know the History of the Jew Christians.  You don’t know that for centuries they shared their synagogues service  with Jews who denied Jesus. So there was no room for the Lord Supper  for them.  You don’t know the Story of the Jewish Christians from the  Council of Jamnia up to "Mohammad" time.  You are a poor thinker and an ignorant – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Learner

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible.  The Bible clearly says that Christ died on the cross.  Islam denies this, so there is really nothing more to say.  And they Boast(The Jews) in their saying:"We have killed the Messiah/Christ,  Jesus the Son Of Mary, the Apostle of God""- They killed Him not, but it appeard  to them. Qur’an 4:157  I am sure when you say that Islam denied Jesus’s death, you’re alluding to this  verse. But a close look at the above would tell you something unusual:  That the Jews boast for having killed the Messiah/Christ.  It is quite clear that no jew have ever said Jesus was the Messiah/Christ.  Jews have always claimed that the Messiah has not yet come.  Still the author put in their mouths this strange saying.  That indicates that the author is not interested in History as you understand  it but he is making a theological statement centered around the Christ/Messiah  of the OLD COVENANT in response to Paul who asserted that the death  of Christ was the end of the old Covenant.  No jew Christian would accept that and that is attested in Acts 21:17  where James pleaded to Paul to spare the Jews his strange teaching against  Moses’ Law.  What I am saying is that the spirit of the Qur’an is consistent with  Jew Christians theology on Christ and the Old Covenant.  If Jew Christians had understood Christ’death the way Paul did, there would  be no special revelation entrusted to Paul from God.  So basically you are wrong to interpret Islam this way.  Islam is evry similar to jewish Christianity like it or not

I was going to say the same thing but you beat me to it. — The Best in Message Board Discussions http://www.comicboards.org/religion

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 Islam is evry similar to jewish Christianity like it or not

Jewish Christianity? What is that? Val

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible.  The Bible clearly says that Christ died on the cross.  Islam denies this, so there is really nothing more to say.  When you say Islam denied that Christ deied, I am sure you allude  to the verse which states:  "They says, we killed the Messiah, Jesus the Son of Mary, the killed Him   not…" Qur’an…   The "They" is supposed to satnd for "Jews"   As far as we know no Jew has ever said that Jesus was the Messiah   yet the verse clearly states that they say that they killed him

This verse from the Quran was taken from the unorthodox gospel of Barnabus.  In this gospel, Jesus, by magic, leaves the cross and escapes.  Judas was crucified instead. Mohammed’s writings when mentioning Christian or Jewish scriptures usually are taken from unorthodox writings. — Kerry – two medals a silver and bronze star. Bush? Well they don’t give medals for going AWOL, missing your medical and getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool. Kerry – a hero, Bush – a zero Cheerful Charlie

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Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible.  The Bible clearly says that Christ died on the cross.  Islam denies this, so there is really nothing more to say.

 And they Boast(The Jews) in their saying:"We have killed the Messiah/Christ,  Jesus the Son Of Mary, the Apostle of God""- They killed Him not, but it appeard  to them. Qur’an 4:157  I am sure when you say that Islam denied Jesus’s death, you’re alluding to this  verse. But a close look at the above would tell you something unusual:  That the Jews boast for having killed the Messiah/Christ.  It is quite clear that no jew have ever said Jesus was the Messiah/Christ.  Jews have always claimed that the Messiah has not yet come.  Still the author put in their mouths this strange saying.  That indicates that the author is not interested in History as you understand  it but he is making a theological statement centered around the Christ/Messiah  of the OLD COVENANT in response to Paul who asserted that the death  of Christ was the end of the old Covenant.  No jew Christian would accept that and that is attested in Acts 21:17  where James pleaded to Paul to spare the Jews his strange teaching against  Moses’ Law.  What I am saying is that the spirit of the Qur’an is consistent with  Jew Christians theology on Christ and the Old Covenant.  If Jew Christians had understood Christ’death the way Paul did, there would  be no special revelation entrusted to Paul from God.  So basically you are wrong to interpret Islam this way.  Islam is evry similar to jewish Christianity like it or not

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Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible.  The Bible clearly says that Christ died on the cross.  Islam denies this, so there is really nothing more to say.

 When you say Islam denied that Christ deied, I am sure you allude  to the verse which states:  "They says, we killed the Messiah, Jesus the Son of Mary, the killed Him   not…" Qur’an…   The "They" is supposed to satnd for "Jews"   As far as we know no Jew has ever said that Jesus was the Messiah   yet the verse clearly states that they say that they killed him

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PAUL’S ARRIVAL AT JERUSALEM  When we arrived at Jerusalem,the brothers received us warmly.  The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all  elders were present. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what  God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.  When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul:" You see  brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed in Jesus as the  Messiah/Christ, and all of them are zealous for the Law/Torah.  They have been informed that you teach all the JEWS who live among  the Gentiles to TURN AWAY from MOSES, telling them not to circumcise  their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do?  They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you.  There are four men with us who have made a vow.  Take these men,join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,  so that they can have heads shaved. Then everybody will know  there is no truth in these reports about you.But that you yourself  are living in obedience to the Law.  As for the Gentile believers, we have written them our decision that  they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood,  from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."  The Next day Paul took the men and purified hmself along with them.  Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the day  of purification would end and the offering would be made would be made  for each of them. Acts 21:17-26  -Given the above If anyone says that Christianity was of harmonized  doctrines from the start, he is ignorant.  -If anyone can not trace Islam back to James, he doen’t know how to  investigate nor does he understand the message of the Qur’an and  culture. There has been through history, some jewish Christians who  held dear to the old convenant. I believe that the author of the Qur’an  is one of them  -If anyone can not trace the Orthodoxy Catholic back to Paul,  he is a clueles idiot and a dogmatic.  -Given the above, If anyone says the firts Christians at Jerusalem  were all baptized, and partook to the Lord supper  he is an obscurantist;you can not be baptized  and be circumcised at the same time, it makes no sense technically speaking.  -If anyone thinks the POPE is useful, let him be cursed  -If ANYONE Thinks that Islam has no biblical foundation, let him be ignored.  -If anyone thinks the Bible only belongs to the Christians and by Christians  he means the Pauline version, he knows nothing.  ****If anyone can help defeat fundanmentalism, integrism,obcurantism  and any other isms or the missionaries out there, let him join us  to restore the integrity of HISTORY

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<….  you can not be baptized  and be circumcised at the same time, it makes no sense technically speaking.  <….

<shudder I’m getting the picture of a small defenseles boy who is getting some parts cut off while his head is held under water. I was under the impression that a lot of (most?) american males have been both circumcised and baptised. Of course neither action makes sense, technically or otherwise. Lisbeth ——- The day I don’t learn anything new is the day I die.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PAUL’S ARRIVAL AT JERUSALEM  When we arrived at Jerusalem,the brothers received us warmly.  The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all  elders were present. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what  God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.  When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul:" You see  brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed in Jesus as the  Messiah/Christ, and all of them are zealous for the Law/Torah.  They have been informed that you teach all the JEWS who live among  the Gentiles to TURN AWAY from MOSES, telling them not to circumcise  their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do?  They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you.  There are four men with us who have made a vow.  Take these men,join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,  so that they can have heads shaved. Then everybody will know  there is no truth in these reports about you.But that you yourself  are living in obedience to the Law.  As for the Gentile believers, we have written them our decision that  they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood,  from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."  The Next day Paul took the men and purified hmself along with them.  Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the day  of purification would end and the offering would be made would be made  for each of them. Acts 21:17-26  -Given the above If anyone says that Christianity was of harmonized  doctrines from the start, he is ignorant.  -If anyone can not trace Islam back to James, he doen’t know how to  investigate nor does he understand the message of the Qur’an and  culture. There has been through history, some jewish Christians who  held dear to the old convenant. I believe that the author of the Qur’an  is one of them

Huh?  Islam claims to trace itself back to Adam!  But just for grins and giggles, let’s see what else you have.  -If anyone can not trace the Orthodoxy Catholic back to Paul,  he is a clueles idiot and a dogmatic.

Many of the key elements of Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant thought come from Paul.  -Given the above, If anyone says the firts Christians at Jerusalem  were all baptized, and partook to the Lord supper  he is an obscurantist;you can not be baptized  and be circumcised at the same time, it makes no sense technically speaking.

Why not?  Even as an American in the 21st century, I am both circumcised and I partake of the Lord’s Supper.  -If anyone thinks the POPE is useful, let him be cursed

The Pope is very useful.  Pope JPII has been a loud and clear voice for human life, freedom, and dignity.  I love the man – and I am a Protestant.  -If ANYONE Thinks that Islam has no biblical foundation, let him be ignored.

Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible.  The Bible clearly says that Christ died on the cross.  Islam denies this, so there is really nothing more to say.  -If anyone thinks the Bible only belongs to the Christians and by Christians  he means the Pauline version, he knows nothing.

Wrong.  Paul’s Epistles were considered as Gospel by the Apostles.  ****If anyone can help defeat fundanmentalism, integrism,obcurantism  and any other isms or the missionaries out there, let him join us  to restore the integrity of HISTORY

History and Islam have nothing to do with each other. Learner

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Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible.  The Bible clearly says that Christ died on the cross.  Islam denies this, so there is really nothing more to say.

 Because you can’t tell a historical statement from a Theological one.  You also don’t really understand the TORAH.  And you don’t know what Christianity would look like without Paul.  It seems these things are too complex for you, so you settle for the  simplest.  Yet it is every simple. As far as History is concerned, says the Qur’an  Jesus died, but for the Qur’an Jesus’ death doesn’t negate the OLD  COVENANT as Paul implied.  The jewish Christians just thought the same.  YOU SURE DID NOT READ THE QUR’AN. YOU ARE A CLUELESS IDIOT

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PAUL’S ARRIVAL AT JERUSALEM  When we arrived at Jerusalem,the brothers received us warmly.  The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all  elders were present. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what  God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.  When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul:" You see  brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed in Jesus as the  Messiah/Christ, and all of them are zealous for the Law/Torah.  They have been informed that you teach all the JEWS who live among  the Gentiles to TURN AWAY from MOSES, telling them not to circumcise  their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do?  They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you.  There are four men with us who have made a vow.  Take these men,join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,  so that they can have heads shaved. Then everybody will know  there is no truth in these reports about you.But that you yourself  are living in obedience to the Law.  As for the Gentile believers, we have written them our decision that  they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood,  from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."  The Next day Paul took the men and purified hmself along with them.  Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the day  of purification would end and the offering would be made would be made  for each of them. Acts 21:17-26  -Given the above If anyone says that Christianity was of harmonized  doctrines from the start, he is ignorant.  -If anyone can not trace Islam back to James, he doen’t know how to  investigate nor does he understand the message of the Qur’an and  culture. There has been through history, some jewish Christians who  held dear to the old convenant. I believe that the author of the Qur’an  is one of them Huh?  Islam claims to trace itself back to Adam!  But just for grins and giggles, let’s see what else you have.  -If anyone can not trace the Orthodoxy Catholic back to Paul,  he is a clueles idiot and a dogmatic. Many of the key elements of Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant thought come from Paul.  -Given the above, If anyone says the firts Christians at Jerusalem  were all baptized, and partook to the Lord supper  he is an obscurantist;you can not be baptized  and be circumcised at the same time, it makes no sense technically speaking. Why not?  Even as an American in the 21st century, I am both circumcised and I partake of the Lord’s Supper.  -If anyone thinks the POPE is useful, let him be cursed The Pope is very useful.  Pope JPII has been a loud and clear voice for human life, freedom, and dignity.  I love the man – and I am a Protestant.

 We need no Pope for that. A bishop would do the same job just  fine in his own juridiction. Even some head of states do better jobs.

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