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+ In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
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+ In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
I second your Amen, praise be to God in the highest.
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Hail Mary, full of grace<
Luke 1:28: ’Greetings, favoured one.’ ‘For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will; to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has favoured us in the beloved One.’ (Eph 1:4-6) ‘You have become kings.’ (1 Cor 4:8 NIV) Holy Mary<
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No-one is good, except God alone."’ (Luke 18:19 NIV) ‘In the Lord alone are righteousness and strength.’ (Isa 45:24 NIV) ‘Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewellery and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.’ (1 Peter 3:3-6 NIV) ‘But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do.’ (1 Peter 1:15 NIV) ‘But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God.’ (1 Peter 2:9 NIV) Peter
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hail Mary, full of grace< Luke 1:28: ’Greetings, favoured one.’ You are playing translation games. The Greek is Strong’s 5487, which is also used in Ephesians 1:6, (and ONLY there), where it means "grace upon grace".< What the angel said (and Paul said of Christians in Ephesians) is much stronger than your translations indicated.< Make it a strong as you like. Whatever it means, what applied to Mary applies to the whole church, which makes the whole RC Mary thing absurd. The problem the RCC has is that it contains no Christians, so it has to ‘discover’ them after those few selected persons are safely dead. Peter SInce that word only appears once in scripture and applies only to Mary in that quote how does it apply to the whole Church?< See Cunneen’s post. Peter I did where in scripture does that word appy to anyone other than Mary?< See Cunneen’s post.
In other words, Peter doesn’t know what he’s talking about… As usual.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hail Mary, full of grace< Luke 1:28: ’Greetings, favoured one.’ You are playing translation games. The Greek is Strong’s 5487, which is also used in Ephesians 1:6, (and ONLY there), where it means "grace upon grace".< What the angel said (and Paul said of Christians in Ephesians) is much stronger than your translations indicated.< Make it a strong as you like. Whatever it means, what applied to Mary applies to the whole church, which makes the whole RC Mary thing absurd. The problem the RCC has is that it contains no Christians, so it has to ‘discover’ them after those few selected persons are safely dead. Peter SInce that word only appears once in scripture and applies only to Mary in that quote how does it apply to the whole Church? Surely everything that applies to Mary applies to the Church? Not in an identical way, but in some way. I tried to put some of my thoughts on that down – http://www.theotokos.co.za/theotokos.html.
In a manner yes but not exactly. The term full of grace indicates a superlative that is described nowhere else in scripture.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hail Mary, full of grace< Luke 1:28: ’Greetings, favoured one.’ You are playing translation games. The Greek is Strong’s 5487, which is also used in Ephesians 1:6, (and ONLY there), where it means "grace upon grace".< What the angel said (and Paul said of Christians in Ephesians) is much stronger than your translations indicated.< Make it a strong as you like. Whatever it means, what applied to Mary applies to the whole church, which makes the whole RC Mary thing absurd. The problem the RCC has is that it contains no Christians, so it has to ‘discover’ them after those few selected persons are safely dead. Peter SInce that word only appears once in scripture and applies only to Mary in that quote how does it apply to the whole Church? Surely everything that applies to Mary applies to the Church? Not in an identical way, but in some way. I tried to put some of my thoughts on that down – http://www.theotokos.co.za/theotokos.html. In a manner yes but not exactly. The term full of grace indicates a superlative that is described nowhere else in scripture.
There I’ll agree … just trying to bring some deeper spirituality into the row – maybe it’ll make them think a bit about the deeper beauty of Catholic teaching. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman www.theotokos.co.za www.theotokos.co.za/adventism IC | XC NI | KA
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Hail Mary, full of grace< Luke 1:28: ’Greetings, favoured one.’
You are playing translation games. The Greek is Strong’s 5487, which is also used in Ephesians 1:6, (and ONLY there), where it means "grace upon grace". What the angel said (and Paul said of Christians in Ephesians) is much stronger than your translations indicated. The favor that Mary received is nothing less than what we receive by grace, which is to be an adopted child of God through Jesus Christ. Mary was already graced; she hadn’t said a word, and the angel was already calling her a Christian, a child of God. "Full of grace" is an appropriate translation.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hail Mary, full of grace< Luke 1:28: ’Greetings, favoured one.’ You are playing translation games. The Greek is Strong’s 5487, which is also used in Ephesians 1:6, (and ONLY there), where it means "grace upon grace".< What the angel said (and Paul said of Christians in Ephesians) is much stronger than your translations indicated.< Make it a strong as you like. Whatever it means, what applied to Mary applies to the whole church, which makes the whole RC Mary thing absurd. The problem the RCC has is that it contains no Christians, so it has to ‘discover’ them after those few selected persons are safely dead. Peter SInce that word only appears once in scripture and applies only to Mary in that quote how does it apply to the whole Church?
Surely everything that applies to Mary applies to the Church? Not in an identical way, but in some way. I tried to put some of my thoughts on that down – http://www.theotokos.co.za/theotokos.html. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman www.theotokos.co.za www.theotokos.co.za/adventism IC | XC NI | KA
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hail Mary, full of grace< Luke 1:28: ’Greetings, favoured one.’ You are playing translation games. The Greek is Strong’s 5487, which is also used in Ephesians 1:6, (and ONLY there), where it means "grace upon grace".< What the angel said (and Paul said of Christians in Ephesians) is much stronger than your translations indicated.< Make it a strong as you like. Whatever it means, what applied to Mary applies to the whole church, which makes the whole RC Mary thing absurd. The problem the RCC has is that it contains no Christians, so it has to ‘discover’ them after those few selected persons are safely dead. Peter SInce that word only appears once in scripture and applies only to Mary in that quote how does it apply to the whole Church?< See Cunneen’s post. Peter I did where in scripture does that word appy to anyone other than Mary?<
See Cunneen’s post. Peter
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hail Mary, full of grace< Luke 1:28: ’Greetings, favoured one.’ You are playing translation games. The Greek is Strong’s 5487, which is also used in Ephesians 1:6, (and ONLY there), where it means "grace upon grace".< What the angel said (and Paul said of Christians in Ephesians) is much stronger than your translations indicated.< Make it a strong as you like. Whatever it means, what applied to Mary applies to the whole church, which makes the whole RC Mary thing absurd. The problem the RCC has is that it contains no Christians, so it has to ‘discover’ them after those few selected persons are safely dead. Peter SInce that word only appears once in scripture and applies only to Mary in that quote how does it apply to the whole Church?< See Cunneen’s post. Peter
I did where in scripture does that word appy to anyone other than Mary?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hail Mary, full of grace< Luke 1:28: ’Greetings, favoured one.’ You are playing translation games. The Greek is Strong’s 5487, which is also used in Ephesians 1:6, (and ONLY there), where it means "grace upon grace".< What the angel said (and Paul said of Christians in Ephesians) is much stronger than your translations indicated.< Make it a strong as you like. Whatever it means, what applied to Mary applies to the whole church, which makes the whole RC Mary thing absurd. The problem the RCC has is that it contains no Christians, so it has to ‘discover’ them after those few selected persons are safely dead. Peter SInce that word only appears once in scripture and applies only to Mary in that quote how does it apply to the whole Church?<
See Cunneen’s post. Peter
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| + In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. | Amen. | | Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou | amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, | Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. | Amen. | Mary is a beautiful person, Bless her soul. One must be careful that one understands her place in the universe: not that of a god but a that of a saved soul.
The possibility of confusing Mary, the Mother of God, with God Himself is so remote, so infinitesimally small, that you’re wasting your time with this warning to nobody. Our Saviour is Jesus, the Christ – St. Mary called Jesus "My Saviour".
Mary called her Savior, "My Lord". Jesus hadn’t been born yet. Of all created beings, Mary is the highest. You have to learn to live with that. If the Protestants don’t like Mary’s exalted postition, they can go jump in a lake. BAM
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Hail Mary, full of grace< Luke 1:28: ’Greetings, favoured one.’ You are playing translation games. The Greek is Strong’s 5487, which is also used in Ephesians 1:6, (and ONLY there), where it means "grace upon
grace".< What the angel said (and Paul said of Christians in Ephesians) is much stronger than your translations indicated.<
Make it a strong as you like. Whatever it means, what applied to Mary applies to the whole church, which makes the whole RC Mary thing absurd. The problem the RCC has is that it contains no Christians, so it has to ‘discover’ them after those few selected persons are safely dead. Peter
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | | + In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. | | Amen. | | | | Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou | | amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, | | Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. | | Amen. | | | | Mary is a beautiful person, Bless her soul. One must be careful that one | understands her place in the universe: not that of a god but a that of a | saved soul. | | The possibility of confusing Mary, the Mother of God, with God Himself is so | remote, so infinitesimally small, that you’re wasting your time with this | warning to nobody. | | Our Saviour is Jesus, the Christ – St. Mary called Jesus "My | Saviour". | | Mary called her Savior, "My Lord". Jesus hadn’t been born yet. Of all | created beings, Mary is the highest. You have to learn to live with that. | | If the Protestants don’t like Mary’s exalted postition, they can go jump in | a lake. | | BAM | | | Thank you BAM. Yet the possibility for confusion, nevetheless exists: http://www.communaute-dame.qc.ca/oeuvres/OE_armee_AN.htm
Are you giving this link as an example of the manifestation of that confusion? I think you are way off base if that was your intent.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hail Mary, full of grace< Luke 1:28: ’Greetings, favoured one.’ You are playing translation games. The Greek is Strong’s 5487, which is also used in Ephesians 1:6, (and ONLY there), where it means "grace upon grace".< What the angel said (and Paul said of Christians in Ephesians) is much stronger than your translations indicated.< Make it a strong as you like. Whatever it means, what applied to Mary applies to the whole church, which makes the whole RC Mary thing absurd. The problem the RCC has is that it contains no Christians, so it has to ‘discover’ them after those few selected persons are safely dead. Peter
SInce that word only appears once in scripture and applies only to Mary in that quote how does it apply to the whole Church?
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Say the Hail Mary 9 times a day for 9 days. Ask your wish and your prayers will be answered. Publication must be promised. ***Why not pray to our Lord JESUS CHRIST instead of a statue of Mary, who can and will do nothing for you? Jesus is the only intercessor needed— He does not require anyone else’s assistance— no, not even a statue. Romath Relentlessly pursuing the SPAMmish Inquisition !! Help stamp out spam and sleaze.
You’re lurking in the Roman Catholic NG for the sole purpose of harassing and insulting the beliefs of Catholics! Why!?!? Again I ask, to impress God? Your Baptist friends? Do you think you’re "saving" anyone here? Don’t lie and say this was a cross-posted message — lying is a sin, big fella. Come to think of it, your repeated posts here strike me as "spam and sleaze." So stamp yourself out already.
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Say the Hail Mary 9 times a day for 9 days. Ask your wish and your prayers will be answered. Publication must be promised.
***Why not pray to our Lord JESUS CHRIST instead of a statue of Mary, who can and will do nothing for you? Jesus is the only intercessor needed— He does not require anyone else’s assistance— no, not even a statue. Romath Relentlessly pursuing the SPAMmish Inquisition !! Help stamp out spam and sleaze.
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Say the Hail Mary 9 times a day for 9 days. Ask your wish and your prayers will be answered. Publication must be promised. ***Why not pray to our Lord JESUS CHRIST instead of a statue of Mary, who can and will do nothing for you?
Odd, it doesn’t even mention a statue. Does it? Not that I am in support of such notions, God always answers our prayers, but not always with what we want. If we want for selfish things, God will not grant them to us. That doesn’t mean, that he doesn’t answers our prayers in other ways. What is important is not what is on our lips but what is in our hearts. Catholics do not pray to statues, any more than a protestant with a bible in hand praying is "praying" to the bible. Jesus is the only intercessor needed— He does not require anyone else’s assistance— no, not even a statue.
Jesus is the only intercessor between man and God. But to say that no one else but you can pray for your needs is not only unscriptural but completely against the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. In fact there are numberous examples in the letters of the Apostles where the Apostles encourage us all to pray for their needs and for the needs of others. To ask the Mother of my Lord to pray with me, and for me, is no worse than asking your preacher to pray with and for you. It is, however, far more effective, since Jesus honors his mother, (for the commandment to honor ones mother was given by God, and God cannot go against His word, what He says He does, what He says Is. It can not be otherwise) as he honored her request at the wedding at Cana. Thus it is with a pure heart and a firm reliance on the Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition, (what has been passed through word of mouth or through letter) that Christians can pray: Remember, O most loving Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection implored your help or sought your intercession, was left unaided. Inspired with this confidence, I fly unto you, O Virgin of Virgins, my Mother! To you I come; before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in your mercy hear and answer me. Amen. — | _______ |Christopher Beattie | 801 Eisenhower Dr| | /__ __ Peace |Tantalus Inc. | Key West, FL 33040| | / and |Development Div. |Phone: (305) 293-8100| | |#include <disclamer.standard.hpp |
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Say the Hail Mary 9 times a day for 9 days. Ask your wish and your prayers will be answered. Publication must be promised. Thank You mjm
This stuff used to be reserved for the personal ads in the newspaper.
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Say the Hail Mary 9 times a day for 9 days. Ask your wish and your prayers will be answered. Publication must be promised. And for a donation of only 19.95 you’ll get a spanking new genuine naugahide halo…. COME ON!!!! WE *ALL* know the power of prayer, but it’s not a slot machine! why don’t you read the teaching of the Catholic church, instead of following supersitions…
Thanks, KayJay I was just about to post something really rude 
— Mitch
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Say the Hail Mary 9 times a day for 9 days. Ask your wish and your prayers will be answered. Publication must be promised. Thank You mjm
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Say the Hail Mary 9 times a day for 9 days. Ask your wish and your prayers will be answered. Publication must be promised.
And for a donation of only 19.95 you’ll get a spanking new genuine naugahide halo…. COME ON!!!! WE *ALL* know the power of prayer, but it’s not a slot machine! why don’t you read the teaching of the Catholic church, instead of following supersitions… Thank You mjm
K.J. Cornish "Preach the Gospel daily; if necessary, use words." – Francis of Assisi
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best always, Mike 
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