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J, I don’t give a crap what Paul says in x,y or z! He can speak in all the flowery phases he wants. But it does NOT repeat does NOT change the fact that Bible Jesus is a LIAR! DAM IT THE BIBLE SAYS WHAT IT SAYS! Mat 16:28 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
But, but, but you just can’t interpert it correctly, when he says "taste death" that is not what you think it means. It actually means: "to feed on a corpse", this is a basic tenent of Baptist theology. If I am to believe this is the word of God and I am to use this as my moral guide THEN WHERE THE HELL IS HE? Should we all cut it off for Jesus?
Well the Baptist would like that, but please save the fleshy part for Father (pastor) Frank and Dave. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Matthew 19:12 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[1] because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." IT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS-PERIOD! I don’t care that in part of Paul’s letters it says we don’t have to do circumcision. Actually Jesus and Paul (as recorded characters) have to get their act straight on how they feel about this. MY POINT is that if passage x,y and z condemn Gays (and they indeed do I don’t dispute that) then WHY must I build put those passages to the forfront but pass by the ones I quoted above. Especially since it is JESUS being quoted in the GOSPELS DAM IT not the old testiment but the very HEART of our Christian Bible as advocating castration and a false prediction of the end of the world. Not to mention that we are to hate ourselves, our familys and life! That my friend it is the GOSPEL TRUTH!
But it really doesn’t mean what it says, ask any Baptist. LOL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Luke 14:26 26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters–yes, even his own life–he cannot be my disciple. " **** Go now and love your neighbor as yourself! Yes I understand that the Gospels and even the OT have many good passages. But they also contain the TRASH that I mentioned above. You fundies want to be SELECTIVE then engage in the psychological defense mechanism of reaction formation and projection. You blame liberals for being selective. If I am to believe that Gays should not be ordained because of passages x,y and z. Then why not ALSO follow passages a,b and c that I listed above. ESPECIALLY since they are from the GOSPELS! STop your arguementum ad hominem and face your EXISTENTIAL ANXIETY! The Gospels are WRONG! WRONG WRONG! Else where the hell is he and go practice what it says and slice it off for Jesus!
The gospels are 100% correct, ask any Baptist. Right Father Frank and Dave? Donald
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic : The Gay Ordination issue actually sparked the reconciliation. I can’t speak for the anglicans, but there is no such "reconcilliation" between Baptists as a group and the rcc! For which, God be thanked…unless, of course, the Baptists were to see the light and obtain proper orders and ecclesiology. We LIVE IN THE LIGHT, and your religion’s "orders and ecclesiology" (whether anglican or orthodoxican or rccican or copt) don’t mean much to anyone other than yourselves at all. Certainly not to God. Christian
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<sniped for brevity Sounds more like Hitler in "Mein Kamp" then a book I should use as my moral guide! True the OT and NT both contain a DIFFERENT version of God. The truly mystical and sacred Deity. I believe the Deity wants us to accept gay and female ordination. Brian J Dawson
Thanks for making your pluriform, Gnostic, gobbledygook, proof-texted, ascriptural, humanist position plain. It stands in distinct contrast to the faith once delivered (see Jude – the whole letter, not just your random snips) You want to revert to what Paul identified as the Athenians’ "unknown God" (see Acts 17). Or as is apparent from your disjointed ramblings, a god of your mind’s devising. Such a god is no deity at all; such a god is you. What guide, then do you follow? L Ron Hubbard, Ernest Holmes, Brian J Dawson? Who in this NG, besides Brian himself, believes his blurts? A representative article about so-called "new thought": http://www.rickross.com/reference/general/general183.html.
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J, I don’t give a crap what Paul says in x,y or z! He can speak in all the flowery phases he wants. But it does NOT repeat does NOT change the fact that Bible Jesus is a LIAR! DAM IT THE BIBLE SAYS WHAT IT SAYS! Mat 16:28 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." If I am to believe this is the word of God and I am to use this as my moral guide THEN WHERE THE HELL IS HE? Should we all cut it off for Jesus? Matthew 19:12 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[1] because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." IT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS-PERIOD! I don’t care that in part of Paul’s letters it says we don’t have to do circumcision. Actually Jesus and Paul (as recorded characters) have to get their act straight on how they feel about this. MY POINT is that if passage x,y and z condemn Gays (and they indeed do I don’t dispute that) then WHY must I build put those passages to the forfront but pass by the ones I quoted above. Especially since it is JESUS being quoted in the GOSPELS DAM IT not the old testiment but the very HEART of our Christian Bible as advocating castration and a false prediction of the end of the world. Not to mention that we are to hate ourselves, our familys and life! That my friend it is the GOSPEL TRUTH! Luke 14:26 26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters–yes, even his own life–he cannot be my disciple. " **** Go now and love your neighbor as yourself! Yes I understand that the Gospels and even the OT have many good passages. But they also contain the TRASH that I mentioned above. You fundies want to be SELECTIVE then engage in the psychological defense mechanism of reaction formation and projection. You blame liberals for being selective. If I am to believe that Gays should not be ordained because of passages x,y and z. Then why not ALSO follow passages a,b and c that I listed above. ESPECIALLY since they are from the GOSPELS! STop your arguementum ad hominem and face your EXISTENTIAL ANXIETY! The Gospels are WRONG! WRONG WRONG! Else where the hell is he and go practice what it says and slice it off for Jesus! Brian J Dawson
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <sniped for brevity Sounds more like Hitler in "Mein Kamp" then a book I should use as my moral guide! True the OT and NT both contain a DIFFERENT version of God. The truly mystical and sacred Deity. I believe the Deity wants us to accept gay and female ordination. Brian J Dawson Thanks for making your pluriform, Gnostic, gobbledygook, proof-texted, ascriptural, humanist position plain. It stands in distinct contrast to the faith once delivered (see Jude – the whole letter, not just your random snips) You want to revert to what Paul identified as the Athenians’ "unknown God" (see Acts 17). Or as is apparent from your disjointed ramblings, a god of your mind’s devising. Such a god is no deity at all; such a god is you. What guide, then do you follow? L Ron Hubbard, Ernest Holmes, Brian J Dawson? Who in this NG, besides Brian himself, believes his blurts? A representative article about so-called "new thought": http://www.rickross.com/reference/general/general183.html.
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The Gay Ordination issue actually sparked the reconciliation. I can’t speak for the anglicans, but there is no such "reconcilliation" between Baptists as a group and the rcc!
For which, God be thanked…unless, of course, the Baptists were to see the light and obtain proper orders and ecclesiology. — Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Jean Gray Hargrove Music Library University of California, Berkeley A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _Ecclesiastes; or, The Preacher_ 10:19
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you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic : The Gay Ordination issue actually sparked the reconciliation. I can’t speak for the anglicans, but there is no such "reconcilliation" between Baptists as a group and the rcc! For which, God be thanked…unless, of course, the Baptists were to see the light and obtain proper orders and ecclesiology.
We LIVE IN THE LIGHT, and your religion’s "orders and ecclesiology" (whether anglican or orthodoxican or rccican or copt) don’t mean much to anyone other than yourselves at all. Certainly not to God. Christian
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<sniped for brevity Gang, I will give a general reply to all the replies above in this thread. I am an Episcopalian of the "New Thought" strain. When I hear conservatives throwing Leviticus and other passages against the consecration of a Gay bishop I have to rise up and defend the Gays. WHY? Because to use passages x,y and z but then to MAKE BELIEVE that passages a,b and c are not in the bible is to commit intellectual dishonesty. Must I be a "LIAR FOR JESUS"? To believe in God must I loose my mind? Well gang if the Gospels say what they say. If they are to be literally accepted then my humorous premise must not be humerous but taken seriously! Why not convene a HIGH CONCLAVE of all those who were alive when Jesus walked the earth and literally heard his teachings? According to the Gospels which we Anglicans and you RCC carry in solemn procession every sunday, these conclave members MUST still be alive and walking on the earth! That is THE GOSPEL TRUTH! Matthew 16:28 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." FOR GOD’S SAKE MUST I BE A LIAR FOR JESUS AND SAY THIS IS NOT THERE? HELLO! Jesus is supposed to carry me! Bible Jesus is supposed to make excuses for me! Am I to make up LIES for him? Where the hell is he? The dam book says what it says. I am not an athesist but if you expect me to jump on the fundie-papal bandwagon and fight to stop Gays from being ordained then what the hell weight can I give to some stupid passage in Leviticus when the GOSPELS, the very center of our scripture are CLEARLY WRONG! WRONG WRONG! So Gang are you going to SLICE IT OFF FOR JESUS! Matthew 19:12 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." Damn it! IT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS! Therefore the conclave should bare these marks of being eunuchs if the Gospel is to be believed! IT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS! HOW CONVIENT TO USE LEVITCUS TO CONDEMN GAYS THEN LOOK THE OTHER WAY AT THESE PASSAGES IN THE GOSPELS! Everyone makes a "rosary of passages" that appeal to each sect. Then we rant and rave how "our" rosary of passages is the correct while ignoring the other passages. The final authority is NOT the Bible! It is human reason as inspired by God! Imagine spending an eternity with MAD DADDY YAHWEEH of Biblical fame. Joshua 10:40 40 So Joshua subdued the whole region, including the hill country, the Negev, the western foothills and the mountain slopes, together with all their kings. He left no survivors. He totally destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD , the God of Israel, had commanded. Joshua 11:20 20 For it was the LORD himself who hardened their hearts to wage war against Israel, so that he might destroy them totally, exterminating them without mercy, as the LORD had commanded Moses." Good God this mad diety hardens the hearts so his mighty warriors can slay men, woman and children! Gee Guesss that is what is meant by "family values". Jeremiah 48:10 10 "A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD’s work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed! Yahweeh ackbar. Yahweeh ackbar!! YAHWEEH ACKBAR!! Sounds more like Hitler in "Mein Kamp" then a book I should use as my moral guide! True the OT and NT both contain a DIFFERENT version of God. The truly mystical and sacred Deity. I believe the Deity wants us to accept gay and female ordination. Brian J Dawson
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you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic : Pope, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists join to fight gay ordination. For centuries the RCC and Anglicans have been at odds. But now thanks to a fundamentalist intervention by the Baptists and others an agreement has been worked out concerning Papal Authority and the FINAL INTERPETATION of SCRIPTURE!
I don’t know what tiny group of "Baptists" you think would think would EVER "agree" that the pope has ANY "final interpretation" of anything beyond the walls of the rcc itself! Your claim is simply silly beyond words! The Gay Ordination issue actually sparked the reconciliation.
I can’t speak for the anglicans, but there is no such "reconcilliation" between Baptists as a group and the rcc! Your claim is so bogus as to be hilarious. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -While the tree traditions have different views of scripture and the means of interpreting holy writ the common opposition to gay ordination has moved the three Churches to seek a Biblical means of reconciliation. The three Churches have decided to present their differences to a PANNEL OF FINAL ARBITRATION concerning the interpretation of Jesus words. The members of this panel will be those who actually lived at the time and heard his preaching. Since the world has not come to an end they are still walking the earth as stated in the Gospel! Mat 16:28 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Luke 9:27 27 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God." HOWEVER one question remained when picking this panel. Even though candidates for this panel can be genetically tested to validate their age, being 2,000 years old does not indicate in itself that they are authentic Christians. They could have been kept alive by SATAN to deceive the Churches! However the clerics of the RCC, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists will use a fool proof Gospel validation test to prove those who lived 2,000 years on this earth are indeed authentic Christians and did hear Christ preach. Matthew 19:12 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." Now conservative Christians can join together AT LAST to fight the hideous threat of gay and female ordination in these wicked end times. Using this panel of 2,000 year old Christians who must be living somewhere in isolation awaiting this happy day. Thank you Roman Catholics, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists. We can all join you in maintaining Biblical standards in these wicked end times. They got the balls to do it and THAT IS THE GOSPEL TRUTH! So lets continue to deny these wicked evil gays civil rights as we have the scripture to prove our just cause. Conservatives do have the balls to do this and that is (repeat) THE GOSPEL TRUTH!
I think you wouldn’t know the Gospel if you heard it! And your "story" here is so bogus as to show your extreme ignorance. Christian
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Matthew 5:22 "Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire." [Jesus speaking] Guess someone is having a little "existential anxiety". Your emotionalism does not stop thinking minds from seeing the worthlessness of using Bible passages to condemn Gay and Female ordination. Deuteronomy 23:1-2 1 "He that is wounded in the stones or hath his private member cut off shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. Proverbs 30:5-6 5 "Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar. Matthew 19:12 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Jeremiah 48:10 (so 9/11) 10 "A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD’s work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed! Luke 22:36 36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Go now brother and SLICE IT OFF FOR JESUS! Brian J Dawson
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pope, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists join to fight gay ordination. HOWEVER one question remained when picking this panel. Even though candidates for this panel can be genetically tested to validate their age, being 2,000 years old does not indicate in itself that they are authentic Christians. They could have been kept alive by SATAN to deceive the Churches! However the clerics of the RCC, Conservative Anglicans and Only a shit-brain could write such crap.
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Pope, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists join to fight gay ordination.
This while the Pope runs around wearing a skirt? LOL Cindy
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I’m hoping "sarcasm" is our new word for the day… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pope, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists join to fight gay ordination. HOWEVER one question remained when picking this panel. Even though candidates for this panel can be genetically tested to validate their age, being 2,000 years old does not indicate in itself that they are authentic Christians. They could have been kept alive by SATAN to deceive the Churches! However the clerics of the RCC, Conservative Anglicans and Only a shit-brain could write such crap.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic : Pope, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists join to fight gay ordination. For centuries the RCC and Anglicans have been at odds. But now thanks to a fundamentalist intervention by the Baptists and others an agreement has been worked out concerning Papal Authority and the FINAL INTERPETATION of SCRIPTURE! I don’t know what tiny group of "Baptists" you think would think would EVER "agree" that the pope has ANY "final interpretation" of anything beyond the walls of the rcc itself! Your claim is simply silly beyond words! The Gay Ordination issue actually sparked the reconciliation. I can’t speak for the anglicans, but there is no such "reconcilliation" between Baptists as a group and the rcc! Your claim is so bogus as to be hilarious. While the tree traditions have different views of scripture and the means of interpreting holy writ the common opposition to gay ordination has moved the three Churches to seek a Biblical means of reconciliation. The three Churches have decided to present their differences to a PANNEL OF FINAL ARBITRATION concerning the interpretation of Jesus words. The members of this panel will be those who actually lived at the time and heard his preaching. Since the world has not come to an end they are still walking the earth as stated in the Gospel! Mat 16:28 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Luke 9:27 27 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God." HOWEVER one question remained when picking this panel. Even though candidates for this panel can be genetically tested to validate their age, being 2,000 years old does not indicate in itself that they are authentic Christians. They could have been kept alive by SATAN to deceive the Churches! However the clerics of the RCC, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists will use a fool proof Gospel validation test to prove those who lived 2,000 years on this earth are indeed authentic Christians and did hear Christ preach. Matthew 19:12 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." Now conservative Christians can join together AT LAST to fight the hideous threat of gay and female ordination in these wicked end times. Using this panel of 2,000 year old Christians who must be living somewhere in isolation awaiting this happy day. Thank you Roman Catholics, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists. We can all join you in maintaining Biblical standards in these wicked end times. They got the balls to do it and THAT IS THE GOSPEL TRUTH! So lets continue to deny these wicked evil gays civil rights as we have the scripture to prove our just cause. Conservatives do have the balls to do this and that is (repeat) THE GOSPEL TRUTH! I think you wouldn’t know the Gospel if you heard it! And your "story" here is so bogus as to show your extreme ignorance. Christian
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Pope, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists join to fight gay ordination. For centuries the RCC and Anglicans have been at odds. But now thanks to a fundamentalist intervention by the Baptists and others an agreement has been worked out concerning Papal Authority and the FINAL INTERPETATION of SCRIPTURE! The Gay Ordination issue actually sparked the reconciliation. While the tree traditions have different views of scripture and the means of interpreting holy writ the common opposition to gay ordination has moved the three Churches to seek a Biblical means of reconciliation. The three Churches have decided to present their differences to a PANNEL OF FINAL ARBITRATION concerning the interpretation of Jesus words. The members of this panel will be those who actually lived at the time and heard his preaching. Since the world has not come to an end they are still walking the earth as stated in the Gospel! Mat 16:28 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Luke 9:27 27 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God." HOWEVER one question remained when picking this panel. Even though candidates for this panel can be genetically tested to validate their age, being 2,000 years old does not indicate in itself that they are authentic Christians. They could have been kept alive by SATAN to deceive the Churches! However the clerics of the RCC, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists will use a fool proof Gospel validation test to prove those who lived 2,000 years on this earth are indeed authentic Christians and did hear Christ preach. Matthew 19:12 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." Now conservative Christians can join together AT LAST to fight the hideous threat of gay and female ordination in these wicked end times. Using this panel of 2,000 year old Christians who must be living somewhere in isolation awaiting this happy day. Thank you Roman Catholics, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists. We can all join you in maintaining Biblical standards in these wicked end times. They got the balls to do it and THAT IS THE GOSPEL TRUTH! So lets continue to deny these wicked evil gays civil rights as we have the scripture to prove our just cause. Conservatives do have the balls to do this and that is (repeat) THE GOSPEL TRUTH! Brian J Dawson
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Pope, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists join to fight gay ordination. HOWEVER one question remained when picking this panel. Even though candidates for this panel can be genetically tested to validate their age, being 2,000 years old does not indicate in itself that they are authentic Christians. They could have been kept alive by SATAN to deceive the Churches! However the clerics of the RCC, Conservative Anglicans and
Only a shit-brain could write such crap.
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Pope, Conservative Anglicans and Baptists join to fight gay ordination. For centuries the RCC and Anglicans have been at odds. But now thanks to a fundamentalist intervention by the Baptists and others an agreement has been worked out concerning Papal Authority and the FINAL INTERPETATION of SCRIPTURE! The Gay Ordination issue actually sparked the reconciliation. While the tree traditions have different views of scripture and the means of interpreting holy writ the common opposition to gay ordination has moved the three Churches to seek a Biblical means of reconciliation. The three Churches have decided to present their differences to a PANNEL OF FINAL ARBITRATION concerning the interpretation of Jesus words.
Do they have sufficient agreement agreement on what "ordination" means to talk meaningfully about that? Is the Pope going to recognise Anglican and even Baptist orders, and put non-gayness above apostolic succession as a criterion for validity? — Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm E-mail – see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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