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"Classic" wrote I certainly am serious, and As these are two things (drinking and speeding) that I do I’m curious what others think about them. The Bible and the Catholic Church i’m quite sure both teach that we are called to submit to authority placed on us (of course there are exceptions). So it could be said that I am failing to do this, and therefore sinning, and if not sinning maybe there is another reason why these things should be avoided
+ Sin is a very difficult thing to nail down. + An act committed by one person could very well be a sin for him, but not his brother. Sin depends on intention. Sin is love of oneself even to contempt of God. Do you believe something is a sin? If you believe it is, and you commit it, then it is a sin. + On the other hand, if you don’t believe that drinking a glass of wine is wrong, then how could it be a sin? Drinking to excess should be considered a sin, and drunkenness of course should be considered a sin – especially if you are driving and could cause harm to others. + Speeding – well – why do you speed? How fast do you speed? Do you bring yourself close to the edge of destruction of yourself or others. Could your recklessness cause harm to others? Are you in total control of your driving abilities? + Only you truly know what your capabilities are, how fast you should go, and for how long. Only you know yourself. A speeding ticket does not necessarily mean you have sinned. It may have been unintentional. You may have felt you were quite safe with your capability. + But, then, maybe it was a sin. Only you know. Maybe you slept in too late, and decided to try to get to school/work on time and went over the limit… Maybe your sin was laziness – more than speeding…. + You must look deep within yourself to determine if you did anything wrong. + Just remember, take responsibility for your actions. Don’t blame your wife, your buddy, your teacher, your boss, your cold, your dead battery…. + Look to see the deep reasons behind something. Ask yourself "WHY" seven times – you should get to the truth of the matter….
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + I will address this as if you are actually serious and curious. I certainly am serious, and just so you get an idea of where I’m coming from, I participate in Mass quasi-daily (not quite everyday), adore our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament daily, honor Mary with a Rosary daily, and frequently make use of the sacrament of confession. The purpose of this list is not to bring praise to me or puff myself, as the Bible warns against this, but simply so that you know where I’m coming from. As these are two things (drinking and speeding) that I do I’m curious what others think about them.
It would seem to me that your religious life is actually stressing you out and that you are using alcohol to numb the pain and using speeding to induce a serotonin driven mania to help escape the associated depression. The Bible and the Catholic Church i’m – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -quite sure both teach that we are called to submit to authority placed on us (of course there are exceptions). So it could be said that I am failing to do this, and therefore sinning, and if not sinning maybe there is another reason why these things should be avoided. For example: while listening to the radio and watching tv aren’t sinful things, i have made a point to drastically not do either of these because both draw us out of prayerful spirit and … i can’t think of the term (like what the first book of Imitation of Christ is about). Anyway, this is an interesting subject to me and I thought possibly to other people as well, although the lack of responses to my post seem otherwise. Many contributors to this group seem more interested in discussing (arguing) with non-catholics about our beliefs. Although there may be some fruit in this, it has been my experience that non- catholics who are intelligent and educated in Scripture convert (of course by the grace of God) on their own as a result of their studying of the Word of God.
I beg to differ. I am starting to realize that anyone with half a brain leaves the Church when they learn of its hypocrisy, inconsistencies and hatemongering. There are countless examples of the many non- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -catholic Theologians and ministers (Scott Hahn is but one) who converted simply by digging deaper and deaper into Scripture and finding the Truth that the Catholic Church holds. Our best efforts in bringing non-catholic Christians into the fullness of the Catholic Church can be made in the form of love and prayer. Heated discussions are worthless. To Jesus, Through Mary — Check out the things I love: Visit the Classic at http://www.msu.edu/~sasakand Before you buy.
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Speeding is a venial sin if you aren’t driving recklessly…
Oh, I’m for purgatory for certain. Alan
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God Bless you all! I just looked for and found this group today. I’m curious what the level of orthodoxy is of this group. Do the majority of people frequenting it consider themselves loyal to our Holy Father and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church? As somebody who does and is seeking a deeper and deeper relationship with God and spiritual life, I have a couple questions: What do you think about underage drinking (I’m 20, and I mean casual drinking, not drinking for the sake of getting wasted)? What do you think of exceeding posted speed limits? A better way to phrase these might be what does the Catholic church teach? How might God feel about these things? Or what council would the Pope give on these issues?
The Teaching of the Catholic Church is summarized officially in the Catechism. Look at #’s 2234-2246 (under the Fourth Commandment) to see about these issues. — There is more simplicity in the man who eats caviar on impulse than in the man who eats grape-nuts on principle. Gilbert Keith Chesterton
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"Expede" wrote I am starting to realize that anyone with half a brain leaves the Church when they learn of its hypocrisy, inconsistencies and
hatemongering. + Well, extinct, you certainly qualify. + You have half a brain. (maybe) + And you obviously have used your (half) brain to bend the truth about the RCC’s truth, light, and love….
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God Bless you all! I just looked for and found this group today. I’m curious what the level of orthodoxy is of this group. Do the majority of people frequenting it consider themselves loyal to our Holy Father and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church? As somebody who does and is seeking a deeper and deeper relationship with God and spiritual life, I have a couple questions: What do you think about underage drinking (I’m 20, and I mean casual drinking, not drinking for the sake of getting wasted)? What do you think of exceeding posted speed limits?
Go to confession regularly. Seriously. You will be glad you did. Speeding is a venial sin if you aren’t driving recklessly, on occasion I think it is necessary (and therefore not a sin) to speed in order to drive safely, and it is a habit that can be difficult to break, but if you confess it you will find that you will quickly be able to break the habit. Once you’ve become at home in the far right-hand lane, do not give in to the temptation to feel self-righteous and superior to the speeders. You are not better than they are. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -A better way to phrase these might be what does the Catholic church teach? How might God feel about these things? Or what council would the Pope give on these issues? — Check out the things I love: Visit the Classic at http://www.msu.edu/~sasakand Before you buy.
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God Bless you all! I just looked for and found this group today. I’m curious what the level of orthodoxy is of this group. Do the majority of people frequenting it consider themselves loyal to our Holy Father and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church? As somebody who does and is seeking a deeper and deeper relationship with God and spiritual life, I have a couple questions: What do you think about underage drinking (I’m 20, and I mean casual drinking, not drinking for the sake of getting wasted)?
Underage drinking is against the law, of course, but for you it is not necessarily wrong. When I was 20 I drank recklessly and did not control myself. I can’t give you any advice except to be careful and if you find you cannot control yourself, stop and wait a couple years before trying again.
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It occurs to me that the legal drinking age is probably 21 in your state. I take back what I said. It would be wrong for you to drink if it is illegal. I assume the law would not prohibit your drinking at the dinner table with your parents, for example. But going to a bar or buying alcohol surely must be illegal. I think the legal drinking age was raised to 21 in every state in the union because of some kind of bribe by the federal govt. Wait until next year and be careful when you do drink, please. Talk to your confessor about it. If you have a copy of the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, the section on the 4th commandment discusses our duty to obey the civil law. I really can’t think of a book or anything in particular to recommend. More on the speeding thing, though. I used to speed habitually but now I don’t. It is a habit that can be broken very easily, especially since you’ve probably only been driving for about four years. There is an apostolate called "the Sacred Heart Automobile League" or something like that. I am not really familiar with it but it promotes devotion to the Sacred Heart and safe driving. I think if you join you will get a booklet of prayers and some kind of figure you can put on your dashboard. When I first resolved to quit speeding, I hung a rosary from my rear-view mirror. It was very effective. It was a constant reminder of my promise. Later on I found that you are not supposed to hang things from your rear-view mirror, but a little statue on your dashboard, toward the front seat so that it is not in the line of sight between you and the windshield, would work just as well, and there may be other benefits to joining an apostolate like the one I mentioned. People will think you are an "old grampa" if you drive the speed limit, but remember that it is a compliment to be thought old and venerable at a young age. It means you are wise and that you don’t conform to the mob. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + I will address this as if you are actually serious and curious. I certainly am serious, and just so you get an idea of where I’m coming from, I participate in Mass quasi-daily (not quite everyday), adore our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament daily, honor Mary with a Rosary daily, and frequently make use of the sacrament of confession. The purpose of this list is not to bring praise to me or puff myself, as the Bible warns against this, but simply so that you know where I’m coming from. As these are two things (drinking and speeding) that I do I’m curious what others think about them. The Bible and the Catholic Church i’m quite sure both teach that we are called to submit to authority placed on us (of course there are exceptions). So it could be said that I am failing to do this, and therefore sinning, and if not sinning maybe there is another reason why these things should be avoided. For example: while listening to the radio and watching tv aren’t sinful things, i have made a point to drastically not do either of these because both draw us out of prayerful spirit and … i can’t think of the term (like what the first book of Imitation of Christ is about). Anyway, this is an interesting subject to me and I thought possibly to other people as well, although the lack of responses to my post seem otherwise. Many contributors to this group seem more interested in discussing (arguing) with non-catholics about our beliefs. Although there may be some fruit in this, it has been my experience that non- catholics who are intelligent and educated in Scripture convert (of course by the grace of God) on their own as a result of their studying of the Word of God. There are countless examples of the many non- catholic Theologians and ministers (Scott Hahn is but one) who converted simply by digging deaper and deaper into Scripture and finding the Truth that the Catholic Church holds. Our best efforts in bringing non-catholic Christians into the fullness of the Catholic Church can be made in the form of love and prayer. Heated discussions are worthless. To Jesus, Through Mary — Check out the things I love: Visit the Classic at http://www.msu.edu/~sasakand Before you buy.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – God Bless you all! I just looked for and found this group today. I’m curious what the level of orthodoxy is of this group. Do the majority of people frequenting it consider themselves loyal to our Holy Father and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church? As somebody who does and is seeking a deeper and deeper relationship with God and spiritual life, I have a couple questions: What do you think about underage drinking (I’m 20, and I mean casual drinking, not drinking for the sake of getting wasted)? What do you think of exceeding posted speed limits? A better way to phrase these might be what does the Catholic church teach? How might God feel about these things? Or what council would the Pope give on these issues?
Hmmm.. I’m not a *orthodox* catholic, but I can offer some opinions on your question(s). Underage drinking: If you are 20 and have not participated in legal age drinking, why can’t you wait one year until you are *legal*? There is no *mystery* to alcohol, and it is easilly abused. Speed limits, generally speaking, are posted to increase safety on the highway. Highways are designed for traffic to travel at certain speeds, these designs need to be considered when travelling on any road. The Catholic Church teaches that we, as catholics, have a duty to obey just civil law. Thus, one would be behaving against the catholic religion when blatently disregarding laws that are just, i.e. drinking age and speed limits. The Pope would more than likely restate the above. These two specific laws you mentioned are designed for public safety for not only yourself but others. It would be an act against Catholism to blatently disregard rules of safety designed to protect the society at large as it would display a lack of concern for the safety and well being of not only of yourself but also for others. Paula – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Check out the things I love: Visit the Classic at http://www.msu.edu/~sasakand Before you buy.
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This is only the third time I ever thought it worth posting here. I consider the ugly debates here to be of little or no use. This is however a very different subject. As underage drinking and going over the speed
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since going over the speed limit and underage drinking are against laws that are not immoral, then it is sinful but not mortal in the sense you speak of. If excesive drinking or speeding are involved, the moral law is broken to the extent that lives and health are jeapordized. This is more serious and can get to the point of being mortal sin. God bless, Marlin
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+ I will address this as if you are actually serious and curious.
I certainly am serious, and just so you get an idea of where I’m coming from, I participate in Mass quasi-daily (not quite everyday), adore our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament daily, honor Mary with a Rosary daily, and frequently make use of the sacrament of confession. The purpose of this list is not to bring praise to me or puff myself, as the Bible warns against this, but simply so that you know where I’m coming from. As these are two things (drinking and speeding) that I do I’m curious what others think about them. The Bible and the Catholic Church i’m quite sure both teach that we are called to submit to authority placed on us (of course there are exceptions). So it could be said that I am failing to do this, and therefore sinning, and if not sinning maybe there is another reason why these things should be avoided. For example: while listening to the radio and watching tv aren’t sinful things, i have made a point to drastically not do either of these because both draw us out of prayerful spirit and … i can’t think of the term (like what the first book of Imitation of Christ is about). Anyway, this is an interesting subject to me and I thought possibly to other people as well, although the lack of responses to my post seem otherwise. Many contributors to this group seem more interested in discussing (arguing) with non-catholics about our beliefs. Although there may be some fruit in this, it has been my experience that non- catholics who are intelligent and educated in Scripture convert (of course by the grace of God) on their own as a result of their studying of the Word of God. There are countless examples of the many non- catholic Theologians and ministers (Scott Hahn is but one) who converted simply by digging deaper and deaper into Scripture and finding the Truth that the Catholic Church holds. Our best efforts in bringing non-catholic Christians into the fullness of the Catholic Church can be made in the form of love and prayer. Heated discussions are worthless. To Jesus, Through Mary — Check out the things I love: Visit the Classic at http://www.msu.edu/~sasakand Before you buy.
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What do you think about underage drinking (I’m 20, and I mean casual drinking, not drinking for the sake of getting wasted)? What do you think of exceeding posted speed limits?
There are two types of laws, civil and criminal. Typically, breaking a criminal law also involves breaking a moral law (murder, theft, assault). The two laws you mention are civil laws. There isn’t anything inherently immoral about speeding or underage drinking (esp. if you believe overage drinking is okay). However, it is illegal. When we break civil law, we may be subverting the state and our society. Is it moral to pick and choose which laws we will follow and which we won’t? A better way to phrase these might be what does the Catholic church teach? How might God feel about these things? Or what council would the Pope give on these issues?
I would never dream to speak for either God or the Pope on these issues and can’t find any direct reference. You could possibly read Matthew 22:21 (Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s.) as supporting civil laws. — Regards, Diane "You despise me, don’t you?" "If I gave you any thought, I probably would."
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God Bless you all! I just looked for and found this group today. I’m curious what the level of orthodoxy is of this group. Do the majority of people frequenting it consider themselves loyal to our Holy Father and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church?
+ Hmmm. + This group consists of many folks who are Roman Catholics and are trying their best to do what is right for God and family. + There are many trolls here also who attempt to denigrate different beliefs of the church and are irritated that sins that they wish to continue commiting are not accepted by the church. + If you have legitimate questions and concerns, they can and will be addressed. As somebody who does and is seeking a deeper and deeper relationship with God and spiritual life, I have a couple questions: What do you think about underage drinking (I’m 20, and I mean casual drinking, not drinking for the sake of getting wasted)? What do you think of exceeding posted speed limits?
+ Drinking can be a sin. + Speeding could also be a sin. A better way to phrase these might be what does the Catholic church teach? How might God feel about these things? Or what council would the Pope give on these issues?
+ I will address this as if you are actually serious and curious. + God created us. + We humans have frailties and faults. + We humans have a habit of sinning. + In order to be forgiven for these sins, we must admit our faults, we must confess our sins and we must ask for forgiveness. +Sin is an offense against reason, truth, and right conscience; it is a failure in genuine love for God and neighbor, caused by a perverse attachment for certain goods. Sin is an offense against God. For a sin to be mortal or grave, three conditions must be met: – the object must be very grave matter – it must be committed with full knowledge of this – it must be committed with deliberate consent. + The pope doesn’t list sins. The Bible certainly does. I can name a few of them here, but certainly not all of them: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissention, factions, envy, drunkeness, carousing, etc.
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God Bless you all! I just looked for and found this group today. I’m curious what the level of orthodoxy is of this group. Do the majority of people frequenting it consider themselves loyal to our Holy Father and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church? As somebody who does and is seeking a deeper and deeper relationship with God and spiritual life, I have a couple questions: What do you think about underage drinking (I’m 20, and I mean casual drinking, not drinking for the sake of getting wasted)? What do you think of exceeding posted speed limits? A better way to phrase these might be what does the Catholic church teach? How might God feel about these things? Or what council would the Pope give on these issues? — Check out the things I love: Visit the Classic at http://www.msu.edu/~sasakand Before you buy.
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