Question:
That shows how educated you are [not]. The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew. You are saying that the name of God changes and since He is called God, Lord God, or Jehovah, that they are different gods. That is incorrect. The different renderings of the name are from translators using different language, like my biological FATHER is my Dad, Daddy, Pop, Old Man, etc but they are all the same person. In Hebrew, the names you say are different, are ALL either the Hewbrew Tetragrammaton YHWH (the personal name of God as dictated to Moses), Adonai, and Elohim. Adonai and Elohim are more repectful forms of the name of God because the Hebrews thought saying His full name was disrespectful, like you’d call your science teacher Mr. Nye instead of Bill. And the form Jehovah comes from the practice of whenever the Tetragrammaton was written, it was filled in with the vowels from Adonai, making it YaHoWaH, which, when Latinized, forms Jehovah. But they are all the same God. Period. Just like you call someone you know a "friend," by their name, say, "Edward", or by a nickname, like "Ed." You really ought to know what you are talking about next time you decide to make an erroneous statement, okay? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Considering that the Bible is riddled with underlying subliminal messages that spread evil and violence, and are posed as being dictated by God (erroneously), then it should be re-written to show it in a plain light so that people can really decide what’s what. People just skip over "god’s" name all the time and think that it is the same entity being referenced each time. Even the Genesis shows 3 different entities: God, the Lord God, and the Lord. Every time Moses claims that he gets evil instruction, he attributes it to "Jehovah". Even Moses priests who follow after him commune with "Jehovah". Yet, the House of Isreal communes with the One [true] God. Definitely two different entities. So, I think that firstly, people have to learn to read the bible with awareness. Then, they can pick easily through the 3 messages that the bible contains on the surface: an evil message, a positive message, and the truth of it all. And, then of course, outside of all this, we have GOD. Hav’ah Should the Bible be X-Rated? Kept out of reach of children? Not only does it seem objectionable on sexual grounds but also on violence grounds. Just like TV today! How about Moses having all the captured soldiers and older women of the enemy murdered, and arranging for the mass rape of 32,000 captured virgins? For the younger women and children, Moses exhorted his soldiers to: "kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the [32,000] young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. …" Numbers 31:25-35. student
Response:
Yes, I am aware than Elohim is plural, hence bnai Elohim, Sons of God. I am also aware that Hebrew does have multiple meanings and word plays. At most, you have had 100 years to study it (assuming you’re that old and started at a very young age) whereas Rabbis have had thousands of years to study, interpret, and clarify it. Have you read the Talmud? That may clear many things up. The MEANING behind it is ONE GOD. It would have been God’s will to have it written the way it was, but if there are different "Gods" then why, repeatedly throughout the Torah AND the New Testament is it said "I am the Lord your God" "There is but One God" etc? "Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is one LORD." Deuteronomy 6:4 "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?…" Malachi 2:10 "And Jesus said unto them, ‘Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is God." Mark 10:18 "Is He the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes,of the Gentiles also." Romans 3:29 If you’re into perverting the OT & NT then why not address the apocypha or psuedepigrapha and how they emphasize ONE GOD, a God of love? Or maybe the Bible Code in the Tanakh? Why not attack that and use it to disprove its message of a benevolent God? Because if you did, your logic would fail. Ever thought that the plural being used refers to God and His Son (who was in a divine existence before man was made and before he was born to Mary)? You are also ignoring the fact that REAL PEOPLE feel things that you must not. Does God speak to you and tell you the Bible is erroneous? You seem so bent on making it look like something Evil maybe you yourself are Evil. I don’t mean to make fun of you or anything, but your views are extremist and I have yet to see any proof. The Bible is the most scientifically accurate of all scripture as well (I won’t get into that now), and spreads, in its truest form, love. Of coure, if someone is a fanatic it backfires, just like Muslims saying the Koran/Quran commands them to kill Americans, the white devils, the infidels. Muhammed tolerated Jews, Christians, and others alike, and the Quran does not say to kill them. It acknowleges the Holy Bible as scripture. Why not attack the Koran and the Satanic Verses that have been so conveniently censored? I feel God everywhere and I know His meaning, I know what He wrote or had written, and nothing you or anyone else could do or say would convince me otherwise. That’s why I am dropping this and if you want to attack me some more, fine, I know what I am writing is true and any spin you may put on it is fabricated by you to suit your own agenda. But if you want to keep this civil then I’m all for that too. Ian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Firstly, I have a Torah, Hebrew of course. And secondly, you completely fail to mention that ELOHIM is plural, plural masculine in a feminine context. So, it’s actually triple. AND, you also fail to mention that Hebrew was a language od double, quadruple meanings, puns and reversals. Do you even know Hebrew? Hav’ah "This is the dawning of the Seventh Day, the day God rests . . . and we awaken . . . " http://www.sstsystems.net/~havah/contents.html —–Original Message—– Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic That shows how educated you are [not]. The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew. You are saying that the name of God changes and since He is called God, Lord God, or Jehovah, that they are different gods. That is incorrect. The different renderings of the name are from translators using different language, like my biological FATHER is my Dad, Daddy, Pop, Old Man, etc but they are all the same person. In Hebrew, the names you say are different, are ALL either the Hewbrew Tetragrammaton YHWH (the personal name of God as dictated to Moses), Adonai, and Elohim. Adonai and Elohim are more repectful forms of the name of God because the Hebrews thought saying His full name was disrespectful, like you’d call your science teacher Mr. Nye instead of Bill. And the form Jehovah comes from the practice of whenever the Tetragrammaton was written, it was filled in with the vowels from Adonai, making it YaHoWaH, which, when Latinized, forms Jehovah. But they are all the same God. Period. Just like you call someone you know a "friend," by their name, say, "Edward", or by a nickname, like "Ed." You really ought to know what you are talking about next time you decide to make an erroneous statement, okay? Considering that the Bible is riddled with underlying subliminal messages that spread evil and violence, and are posed as being dictated by God (erroneously), then it should be re-written to show it in a plain light so that people can really decide what’s what. People just skip over "god’s" name all the time and think that it is the same entity being referenced each time. Even the Genesis shows 3 different entities: God, the Lord God, and the Lord. Every time Moses claims that he gets evil instruction, he attributes it to "Jehovah". Even Moses priests who follow after him commune with "Jehovah". Yet, the House of Isreal communes with the One [true] God. Definitely two different entities. So, I think that firstly, people have to learn to read the bible with awareness. Then, they can pick easily through the 3 messages that the bible contains on the surface: an evil message, a positive message, and the truth of it all. And, then of course, outside of all this, we have GOD. Hav’ah Should the Bible be X-Rated? Kept out of reach of children? Not only does it seem objectionable on sexual grounds but also on violence grounds. Just like TV today! How about Moses having all the captured soldiers and older women of the enemy murdered, and arranging for the mass rape of 32,000 captured virgins? For the younger women and children, Moses exhorted his soldiers to: "kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the [32,000] young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. …" Numbers 31:25-35. student
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