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Just who are these "commentators"? I know of no reputable teacher of eschatology who gives any such interpretation. But then you know it all, don’t you Mike! After all, you are (I mean was a ) catholic
And this has exactly *what* to do with answering the question? Rather I *was* a Roman Catholic (by birth) or a raging alcoholic (which I wasn’t)before coming to salvation by the grace of God through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ makes very little difference. God’s Word says, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Cor. 5:17) Do I "know it *all*"?? Hardly… but I know cultic propaganda when I see it. So, too, do the readers now! The fact is that Frank can’t name these supposed "commentators" who form the majority of teachers on eschatology (in order to qualify as "most"). He has been caught red handed in a lie. His and Yours, Mike Bugal Heartland Christian Ministries http://www.hcm2.org
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And this has exactly *what* to do with answering the question? Rather I
*was* a Everything – can a leopard change its spots? Roman Catholic (by birth) or a raging alcoholic (which I wasn’t)before coming to salvation by the grace of God through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ makes very little difference. God’s Word says, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Cor. 5:17)
Well it is about time you did that – and obey God while you’re at it. Do I "know it *all*"?? Hardly… but I know cultic propaganda when I see it. So, too, do the readers now! The fact is that Frank can’t name these supposed "commentators" who form the majority of teachers on eschatology (in order to qualify as "most"). He has been caught red handed in a lie.
One thing I do know, is that you did NOT read the message I posted fully, you missed this at the end of what I posted:- "We are greatly indebted to the 19th century historian Dr. J. A. Wylie, LL.D., for the information on history and fulfilled prophecy. Dr. Wylie’s book on the 7 vials was entitled: The Seventh Vial and was published in the year 1840." Now, seeing as I am NOT the author, I do NOT have to answer your stupid questions – If you really want the answer to your question contact Dr. J. A. Wylie, LL.D Another thing that is typical of your ilk, if you can’t discredit the message, discredit the messenger, that is all that the daughters of the whore of babylon are capable of. Now Mike Bugal take your so-called Christian ministries and do satan’s dirty work elsewhere you plonker, as you will not desecrate my screen directly again. Heartland Christian Ministries http://www.hcm2.org
This is the gospel according to Mike Bugal << PLONK <
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Now, seeing as I am NOT the author, I do NOT have to answer your stupid questions – If you really want the answer to your question contact Dr. J. A. Wylie, LL.D
Why then post something that you yourself don’t have the answers for? When posting on Biblical principles, we’re expected to backup what we say with scripture. When asked questions, to know the answers. Therefore why post this long message if you yourself don’t have answers? NiTeHaWK
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Why then post something that you yourself don’t have the answers for? When posting on Biblical principles, we’re expected to backup what we say with scripture. When asked questions, to know the answers. Therefore why post this long message if you yourself don’t have answers?
Sex who? You? Not b*****y likely sonnyboy NiTeHaWK
I think you misspelled your name S H I T E H A W K << PLONK <
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Now, seeing as I am NOT the author, I do NOT have to answer your stupid questions – If you really want the answer to your question contact Dr. J. A. Wylie, LL.D Now Mike Bugal take your so-called Christian ministries and do satan’s dirty work elsewhere you plonker, as you will not desecrate my screen directly again.
Biblical Christians can only *hope* to be kill-filed by cultists such as Frank. That way they are free to show the cultic nature of their teachings without being reviled. However, it’s very rare that such things actually happen. Usually the cultist will say that they are doing it but eventually can’t fight the unholy spirit that motivates them and make a direct response that shows them to be liars yet again. We’ll see how Frank does, although given that his teachings are so far out and so *obviously* hogwash I’m not sure just how much time I’ll take refuting it. By the way, his response above demonstrates two more Propaganda Techniques. Anyone recognize them? 
His and Yours, Mike Bugal Heartland Christian Ministries http://www.hcm2.org
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Just who are these "commentators"? I know of no reputable teacher of eschatology who gives any such interpretation.
But then you know it all, don’t you Mike! After all, you are (I mean was a ) catholic
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"And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image" Almost all commentators agree that this is a description of the French Revolution.
He must have seen this on the back of a box of Crackerjack……. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just who are these "commentators"? I know of no reputable teacher of eschatology who gives any such interpretation. This is a very common propaganda techniques called "vagueness" and "bandwagon" in which a proponent of a certain position seeks to show their belief to be the right one by majority rule… while never naming names so that the biases of the so-called "commentators" may be taken into consideration. Usually when pressed for names and specifics none are forthcoming. What is actually meant is: "The limited range of authors that I read who already agree with my position on other matters do so here as well!" These techniques, while commonly used in secular advertising, are mainly used within the religious world by those groups that most Christians would label "cults". I am reminded of an aside comment once made by Charles Haddon Spurgeon, "The Bible tends to throw much light on the commentaries."… in this case the "commentators". His and Yours, Mike Bugal Heartland Christian Ministries http://www.hcm2.org
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"And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image" Almost all commentators agree that this is a description of the French Revolution.
Just who are these "commentators"? I know of no reputable teacher of eschatology who gives any such interpretation. This is a very common propaganda techniques called "vagueness" and "bandwagon" in which a proponent of a certain position seeks to show their belief to be the right one by majority rule… while never naming names so that the biases of the so-called "commentators" may be taken into consideration. Usually when pressed for names and specifics none are forthcoming. What is actually meant is: "The limited range of authors that I read who already agree with my position on other matters do so here as well!" These techniques, while commonly used in secular advertising, are mainly used within the religious world by those groups that most Christians would label "cults". I am reminded of an aside comment once made by Charles Haddon Spurgeon, "The Bible tends to throw much light on the commentaries."… in this case the "commentators". His and Yours, Mike Bugal Heartland Christian Ministries http://www.hcm2.org
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Having escaped, in tact, from the Democratic Convention, "Mike Bugal"
Trust me… had I been at the Democratic Convention I would not have "escaped intact". His and Yours, Mike Bugal Heartland Christian Ministries http://www.hcm2.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just who are these "commentators"? I know of no reputable teacher of eschatology who gives any such interpretation. Of COURSE not, it’s all about Frank. — The truth is out there, but it’s not interesting enough for most people.
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<snip The Seven Vials in summary. Vial Event Date First French Revolution begins 1789 Second Reign of Terror, Guillotine is set up 1793 Third Napoleonic Wars 1796-1815 Fourth Revolution of 1848 1848 Fifth Fall of the Papal States 1870 Sixth Fall of Communism, Satan loosed, Last Great Inquisition!! 1989-91to ???? Seventh Second Coming of Christ ????
Once again a prophesy interpreted after the fact; forced to fit the events (that really don’t seem to have much to do with it.) The followers of Nostradomus do that all the time. Yours is just one other attempt to read into Revelation; no better (and actually, probably worse) than Lindsey. All those who thought the Soviet Union was Gog (or Maggog?) have had to re-arrange their interpretations. All those who thought Y2K would be the end have scampered. Those who claimed the Common Market with it’s 10 countries are the beast with 10 horns have been overcome by history refusing to cooperate with their interpretation. And you too will be swept away, and only remembered by people like me who get amused by men trying to force their biases into the Scriptural prophesies, looking to find the time "that no man, nay not even the Son, but only the Father" knows. Because "God does not delay as we perceive it", but grants this time for His reasons. Hoping for their shortening is going against the will of God. And personally, when I examined my conscience as to why I wanted the end to come, I found nothing but selfishness, pride, animosity, and other sins. When God granted me that insight into myself, I dropped my desire for the End. It may be a good idea for you to examine your consciense, too. Tom A. "All this will come about, in God’s good time." – Capt. Nemo "End of world, end of life – is there a difference?" – me Newsgroups reduced.
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"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth" (Revelation chapters 15&16). The Book of Revelation is a book of symbols. It is about the Rise, Reign, Decline and Fall of the Man of Sin or the Papal System, called in Revelation Mystery Babylon, the mother of harlots and abomination of the earth. Most of the symbols are taken from the Old Testament, and clearly explained there, or in the book itself. Babylon’s decline and fall began with the 7 vials and closely parallel the 10 plaques on Egypt that finally persuaded Pharaoh to let the people go to the promised land. A vial is a cup and everywhere in Scripture it is used to represent judgment or vengeance: Symbol = Meaning The Earth = Society in a settled or tranquil state Society The Sea = in a state of chaos or convulsion "But the wicked are like the troubled sea" (Isaiah 57:20). Rivers and = Nation and kingdoms"The waters . . . are peoples, fountains and multitudes, and nations, and tongues" (Rev. 17:15). The sun = Kings, rulers, governmental powers. Darkening of the sun = Fall of kings, rulers etc. A horn = A kingdom or nation A seat = A throne The beast = The Roman Empire revived under the Papacy "The beast that was, and is not, and yet is" (Rev. 17:8). Mark of the beast = A follower of the Pope. Mystery Babylon, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the earth = The Roman "church" First Vial "And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image" Almost all commentators agree that this is a description of the French Revolution. The year was 1789, and France was in a terrible predicament. After the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre, and the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes, most of the best and brightest people were killed or driven into exile. The salt of the earth was gone . . . corruption was the inevitable result. . . . The government was bankrupt, taxation was exorbitant and the common people were starving. Instead of the true Gospel, a tirade of infidelity and atheistic propaganda came from the pens of men like Montesquieu, Voltaire and Rousseau: "From the sole of t he foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrefying sores" (Isaiah 1:6). Second Vial "And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea" France now became a sea. . . a sea of blood! The Guillotine was set up, and the Reign of Terror commenced. The Guillotine was kept busy day and night in all parts of France. Churches were destroyed, atheism was proclaimed the State religion. 24.000 priests were murdered. It was the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre in reverse. The persecutors were now the persecuted. . . . In Paris, the Guillotine was set up on the exact spot where Huguenots were once burned alive for the amusement of the king! The King and his Austrian wife Queen Marie Antoinette ended their lives on the Guillotine. Third Vial "And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of water: and they became blood" The Rise of Napoleon. The newly proclaimed French Republic was threatened on all sides by enemies. Napoleon proclaimed himself Emperor and went on a career of conquest the like of which the world had never seen. All the countries of Europe were a ffected by the Napoleonic wars. On the invasion of Italy by the French Revolutionists, the government of the Pope was overthrown. General Berthier marched on Rome, set up a Roman Republic, and laid hands on the Pope. The Sovereign Pontiff was borne away to the camp of the infidels . . . from prison to prison, and finally carried captive into France. In 1809, Napoleon declared the Pope’s temporal dominions at an end. The Papal States were annexed to the French Empire. Napoleon’s career of conquest was finally ended at Waterloo. 2 million people perished during this Revolution stage. The literal sea did become blood at this time with several great naval battles: The Nile in 1798, Copenhagen in 1801, and Trafalgar in 1805! The Fourth Vial "And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire" The next great cataclysm was the Revolution of 1848. After the defeat of Napoleon, reaction set in. The deposed kings returned to their thrones and the Pope returned to Rome. Austrian Prince Metternich was the most reactionary leader at this time – he ruled Europe with an iron fist. He set up the Council of Vienna, which restored the Papal States to the Pope, and made plans for the partition of the United States. . . . Suddenly – and without warning – Revolution broke out throughout most of the countries of Europe. It began in Paris on Feb. 23, and soon calls for Constitutional Government were heard everywhere. This request for basic human rights was violently suppressed however, and a host of the Liberals had to flee to safety in America! The Fifth Vial "And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain" Fall of the Papal States. The year was 1870 . . . a milestone in world history. The Pope had just declared himself infallible when war broke out between France and Prussia. With the rapid Prussian victories, the French bayonets protecting the Pope’s temporal dominions were withdrawn, and Italy was finally united and free. This ushered in the prophetic 120 year period. With the Papacy preoccupied with recovering the lost States, and fighting Communism, the world began an unprecedented era of liberty. Sixth Vial "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the waters thereof were dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared" We believe that this Vial begins with the fall of Communism. The River Euphrates was always the traditional barrier between East and West. For the past 50 years the slogan was: The East is Red – few expected any changes in their lifetime. The collapse came as suddenly as the Revolution of 1848. Seventh Vial "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, it is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightning, and there was a great earthquake . . . And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven. . ." This is the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The resurrection of all the dead. The Day of Judgment etc., etc. The Seven Vials in summary. Vial Event Date First French Revolution begins 1789 Second Reign of Terror, Guillotine is set up 1793 Third Napoleonic Wars 1796-1815 Fourth Revolution of 1848 1848 Fifth Fall of the Papal States 1870 Sixth Fall of Communism, Satan loosed, Last Great Inquisition!! 1989-91to ???? Seventh Second Coming of Christ ???? We are greatly indebted to the 19th century historian Dr. J. A. Wylie, LL.D., for the information on history and fulfilled prophecy. Dr. Wylie’s book on the 7 vials was entitled: The Seventh Vial and was published in the year 1840.
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