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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians. One would need the talent of a Dr. Doolittle to convey the facts to them. But then, since they cannot comprehend those facts or even evalute them, it would be a fruitless endeavor. Evolutionary animals insist they are decended from lower animals and that all life is just animals without souls or spirits. They, not having any imagination, could not think or dream of anything higher than themselves. Life just has to fit their limited bounds for there could never be anything beyond them they posit. Well, as Christians , we would like to inform them that there is LIFE beyond them and it is real LIFE not just and existance. It is LIFE with abundance(John 10:10) and it will go on for eternity(Jon 3:16).
In the Roman Catholic denomination of Christianity , the patron saint of nature and all living things is St. Francis of Assisi . Proverbs 12 : 10 says that " A righteous man regards the life of his animal , but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel ." Animals are neither to be tortured nor neglected , and they are to be killed as quickly and as painlessly as possible only for the sake of food and commercial items . Animals are not to be hunted to extinction . Revelation 11 : 18 says that God will destroy those who destroy the earth . Psalm 104 and Psalm 148 in the Old Testament have many uplifting verses praising the beauty of God’s creation , which , according to Genesis chapters 1 – 2 , God made all of it to be good . One day the seas might be turned into large lakes . Some of the verses of Ezekiel , chapter 47 , say that the Dead Sea , an extremely salty lake , will one day be turned into a fresh water lake, with as many kinds of fish living in its waters as there are in the Mediterranean Sea. Jesus Christ , who was God Himself in the body of a man when He was on earth [ the Gospel of St. John 1 : 1 - 5 ] , once miraculously fed 5000 adult males , besides the women and children , on the shores of the large fresh water lake called the Sea of Galilee , also known as Lake Gennesaret or Lake Tiberias , and He also walked on the surface of Lake Galilee by means of a miracle [ Matthew 14 : 13 - 36 ] . If God wanted to , He could make whales live in large fresh water lakes with a never ending supply of food , because nothing is impossible with God [ see Mark 10 : 27 ] . Somewhere in the verses of Isaiah , chapter 11 , it is said that one day the lion will be turned into a harmless herbivore , and that children will play with poisonous snakes , and not be hurt by them . The Caspian Sea , a large salt lake that is about nine tenths the size of the state of California in area , has seals , porpoises , tortoises , and alligators living in its waters , although over the last few centuries they have nearly been hunted to extinction . The Caspian Sea was once connected to the Seven Seas in prehistoric times , although continental drift eventually enclosed the prehistoric Tethys Sea . Lake Baikal or Baykal , a large fresh water lake that is little bit more than three quarters the size of Switzerland in area , also has seals living in its waters . Lake Baikal is located far inland in Russian Siberia , and is connected to the distant Arctic Ocean by the Angara River , which was much wider in prehistoric times before continental plate movement or tectonics narrowed the river . Albrecht Ploum in his book called " Natural Mirrors of the Universe " [ Spiegelbilder des Universums ] , likened the shape of the human embryo to Pangaea , the prehistoric world super continent that existed 200 million years ago , before the individual continents split apart . Pangaea was surrounded by a world ocean called Panthalassa , much as the human embryo is surrounded in the watery womb , supplied with food , water , and oxygen by the umbilical cord . Although Adam was made in the image of God , so was Eve , although indirectly , since God made Eve out of one of the ribs of Adam . I personally believe in the Creation story of the Old Testament book of Genesis as a parable , not as literal facts of history [ see Matthew 13 : 10 - 17 , for an explanation by Jesus Christ for the purpose of parables ] . A literal interpretation of the Bible can sometimes lead to sin . For example , according to a literal interpretation of the Bible , the children of Adam and Eve in order to produce offspring would have been guilty of the sin of incest , as would the grandchildren of Noah . God warned Adam , and Adam presumably warned Eve , not to eat the fruit of forbidden knowledge , that is , the knowledge of what the difference between right and wrong is , and the knowledge of what true death is , i.e. , eternal damnation of the soul and body . The rest of the living things were all made good by God , and the animals did not lose their innocence by eating the fruit of forbidden knowledge [ see Genesis chapters 1 - 3 ] . The talking and cunning snake in the Garden of Eden was Satan , the fallen angel , in disguise [ see Revelation 12 : 7 - 9 ] . When animals do something violent , they do it in ignorance of the knowledge of what the difference between right and wrong is , and therefore in innocence , whereas when humans do something violent , they do it in knowledge , and therefore with a guilty conscience . Although eating both animals and plants is morally acceptable for humans , eating only plants is even better [ see Genesis 1 : 29 - 30 ]. God , who was powerful enough to create the universe out of the nothingness of space by the Big Bang event many billions of years ago , is also powerful enough to suspend the laws of physics , which He created , or at least allowed to evolve within certain set rules , by means of miracles . God is indeed the eternal , with no beginning and no end , timeless , omnipotent , omniscient , perfect being who is the uncaused first cause of Aristotle [ see the Acts of the Apostles , chapter 17 : 16 - 34 ] . St. Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 3 : 2 that his brethren should pray for Christian evangelists to be saved from "unreasonable and wicked men; for not all have faith." So reason and faith do go together. God is good and perfect because He is the supreme being. The goodness of God is reflected in Sigmund Freud’s concept of the superego [ the conscience ], when compared with the ego [ the rational intellect ] and the id [ the instinct ].
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians. One would need the talent of a Dr. Doolittle to convey the facts to them. But then, since they cannot comprehend those facts or even evalute them, it would be a fruitless endeavor. Evolutionary animals insist they are decended from lower animals and that all life is just animals without souls or spirits. They, not having any imagination, could not think or dream of anything higher than themselves. Life just has to fit their limited bounds for there could never be anything beyond them they posit. Well, as Christians , we would like to inform them that there is LIFE beyond them and it is real LIFE not just and existance. It is LIFE with abundance(John 10:10) and it will go on for eternity(Jon 3:16).
But unlike animals, there’s no hope for even an annual period of sexual activity… Paul
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And with this post, IKNDY admits to his own religion: Atheism!!! That’s right, folks–see why below! Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians. One would need the talent of a Dr. Doolittle to convey the facts to them. But then, since they cannot comprehend those facts or even evalute them, it would be a fruitless endeavor. Evolutionary animals insist they are decended from lower animals and that all life is just animals without souls or spirits. They, not having any imagination, could not think or dream of anything higher than themselves.
What, an imagination is what you need to dream up something bigger than ourselves? Interesting… Life just has to fit their limited bounds for there could never be anything beyond them they posit. Well, as Christians , we would like to inform them that there is LIFE beyond them and it is real LIFE not just and existance. It is LIFE with abundance(John 10:10) and it will go on for eternity(Jon 3:16).
Uh-oh! According to IKNDY, this is what Christians "dream up." So much with revealed truths, guys, according to IKN, God is only something dreamt up by those that don’t want to admit that they are evolved. (But hey, we could sort of tell which people in here come from evolved populations regardless, eh?) Alberich
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In a message sent ’round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the fire with the following: Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians. One would need the talent of a Dr. Doolittle to convey the facts to them. But then, since they cannot comprehend those facts or even evalute them, it would be a fruitless endeavor.
So you enjoy "fruitless endeavours". We already knew that, since you are a Creationist. Evolutionary animals insist they are decended from lower animals and that all life is just animals without souls or spirits. They, not having any imagination, could not think or dream of anything higher than themselves. Life just has to fit their limited bounds for there could never be anything beyond them they posit.
And all your wishing will never bring a deity into existence. Well, as Christians , we would like to inform them that there is LIFE beyond them and it is real LIFE not just and existance. It is LIFE with abundance(John 10:10) and it will go on for eternity(Jon 3:16).
Not that you can demonstrate. Regards, Josef Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore totally all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all, who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us, who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. — Isaac Asimov
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Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians.
We hear from Christians all the time that animals do not have souls and therefore may be killed at will. Thank you for this demonstration of Christian love and peacefulness.
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Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians.
You do realize that the number of Christians that believe in evolution is greater than the number of atheists who do? Even in the United States where biology education is among the worst in the industrialized world, the percentage of the general public that accept the fact of evolution is around 40%. Since only 8% – 9% are atheists, that leaves over 30% who are not atheists, yet they are able to accept that we have evolved. One would need the talent of a Dr. Doolittle to convey the facts to them. But then, since they cannot comprehend those facts or even evalute them, it would be a fruitless endeavor.
95% of scientists accept the theory of evolution. It seems these scientists are having trouble understanding your antediluvian version of reality. But then again, they never had Dr. Doolittle teaching them science. Is that what you are claiming is the problem?
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Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians.
Probably because you’re so patently stupid that anyone with a modicum of intelligence has no interest in your drivel.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians. One would need the talent of a Dr. Doolittle to convey the facts to them. But then, since they cannot comprehend those facts or even evalute them, it would be a fruitless endeavor. Evolutionary animals insist they are decended from lower animals and that all life is just animals without souls or spirits. They, not having any imagination, could not think or dream of anything higher than themselves. Life just has to fit their limited bounds for there could never be anything beyond them they posit. Well, as Christians , we would like to inform them that there is LIFE beyond them and it is real LIFE not just and existance. It is LIFE with abundance(John 10:10) and it will go on for eternity(Jon 3:16).
I see IKnowHate’s little campaign rolls on… — Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion "I think it’s the worst kept secret in Washington. That everybody – everybody I talk to in Washington has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative] agenda was and what they were trying to do." [Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians. One would need the talent of a Dr. Doolittle to convey the facts to them. But then, since they cannot comprehend those facts or even evalute them, it would be a fruitless endeavor. Evolutionary animals insist they are decended from lower animals and that all life is just animals without souls or spirits. They, not having any imagination, could not think or dream of anything higher than themselves. Life just has to fit their limited bounds for there could never be anything beyond them they posit. Well, as Christians , we would like to inform them that there is LIFE beyond them and it is real LIFE not just and existance. It is LIFE with abundance(John 10:10) and it will go on for eternity(Jon 3:16).
The roots of ‘creationism’ – the belief that the world was created a few thousand years ago exactly as described in Genesis – can be traced back to the completely fallacious chronology of scripture propounded by Archbishop of Armagh James Ussher (1581-1656) who set the date of the creation of the world at 23 October 4004BC. The teaching of this belief has been a controversial issue in the US for years. Now it appears that at least two British schools are teaching their students to doubt the theory of evolution. In March 2002 The Guardian reported that Emmanuel City Technology College in Gateshead had hosted a ‘creationist’ conference and that senior staff have urged teachers to promote biblical fundamentalism. Darwin and Evolution National Curriculum Science requires students to be taught about evolution. This is hardly surprising, since the theory is universally accepted as the basis of life on earth and has been repeatedly demonstrated to be true by observation and experiment. The theory that all plant and animal species have a common ancestry and that life is a process of constant change and development was first developed by a number of naturalists including the French biologist Jean-Baptiste de Lamarck (1744-1829). The most important figure in the development of the theory was British natural historian and geologist Charles Darwin (1809-1882). Between 1831 and 1836 Darwin (pictured) sailed the southern hemisphere as unpaid naturalist on HMS Beagle collecting the material which was to become the basis for his later work. He and fellow naturalist Arthur Russel Wallace (1823-1913) jointly developed the notion of a causal evolutionary mechanism which they called natural selection and in 1858 simultaneously published their thoughts on the subject. Darwin went on to publish many books and papers, the most significant being On the Origin of Species (1859) and The Descent of Man (1871). His work ‘changed our concepts of nature and of humanity’s place within it.’ (Oxford 1998) On the Origin of Species marked a watershed in scientific understanding and sold fourteen hundred copies on the day of its publication. Evolutionary theory quickly became universally accepted and has been confirmed by many branches of science. Genetics provides the basis for the study of heredity and mutation. Biogeography supplies evidence of the geographical variations within and between species. Palaeontology and geology have demonstrated the development of life forms on earth over 3,500 million years. The theory of natural selection argues that, in the competition for survival, only those organisms best adapted to their environment will live to reproduce – the so-called ’survival of the fittest’. The theory has been ‘confirmed by observation and studied by experiment.’ (Oxford 1998) While some details – especially relating to human evolution – remain unclear, the general outline is well established and is supported by every new discovery. The only people who have a problem with evolution are those fundamentalist Christians who wish to believe that the Bible is, in every detail, the literal and inerrant word of God. ‘Darwin’s name has become a byword for atheism in fundamentalist circles, yet the Origin was not intended as an attack upon religion, but was a sober, careful exposition of a scientific theory.’ Indeed, Darwin himself was ‘always respectful of religious faith.’ (Armstrong 2000) In fact, there was surprisingly little religious reaction to the book at the time, probably because the following year seven Anglican priests caused a much greater furore by publishing Essays and Reviews in which they sought to make textual criticism of the Bible available to the ordinary reader. This new ‘Higher Criticism’ represented ‘the triumph of the rational discourse of logos over myth.’ Higher Criticism – which demonstrated that it was impossible to read the Bible in an entirely literal manner – was to become ‘a bogey of Christian fundamentalists … but this was only because Western people had lost the original sense of the mythical.’ (Armstrong 2000) Creationism in the US While virtually everyone – and certainly all scientists – accepted the basis of evolutionary theory, a small minority of fundamentalist Christians – mostly in the United States – found it impossible to accept that the world could have been created in any way other than that described in Genesis. Despite Darwin’s protestations to the contrary, they regarded the whole evolutionary project as an attack on their faith. In 1920 the Presbyterian Democratic politician William Jennings Bryan (1860-1925) launched ‘a crusade against the teaching of evolution in schools and colleges.’ (Armstrong 2000) Bryan considered that Darwinism had been responsible for the horrors of the First World War, on the basis that the theory had persuaded the Germans that ‘only the strong could or should survive.’ (Armstrong 2000) He was also influenced by James H Leuba’s book Belief in God and Immortality which suggested that a college education damaged religious belief. Darwinism, Bryan concluded, was ‘causing young men and women to lose faith in God, the Bible and other fundamental doctrines of Christianity.’ (Armstrong 2000) He toured the States lecturing on ‘The Menace of Darwinism’, drawing large crowds and much media attention. His conclusions were ’superficial, naive and incorrect’ (Armstrong 2000) but people had been unnerved by the First World War and were uneasy about the power of science. Those who wanted a ‘plain-speaking religion’ were anxious to find a plausible reason to reject evolution. ‘Intellectuals and sophisticates might follow these new ideas with enthusiasm in Yale and Harvard and in the big eastern cities, but they were alien to many small-town Americans, who felt that their culture was being taken over by the secularist establishment.’ (Armstrong 2000) This anxiety was especially strong in the southern states, where people began to feel that the teaching of evolution in their schools was an example of the ‘"colonisation" of their society by an alien ideology’ (Armstrong 2000) Consequently, bills were introduced in Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee and Arkansas to ban the teaching of evolution. Tennessee’s law was particularly severe so John Scopes, a young teacher in the small town of Dayton, decided to challenge it and to stand up for the right to free speech. He announced that he had broken the law by teaching evolutionary theory and was duly taken to court. His trial, in 1925, ‘ceased to be simply about civil liberties, and became a contest between God and science.’ (Armstrong 2000) William Jennings Bryan appeared for the prosecution and was torn to shreds by Clarence Darrow, head of the newly-formed American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). He was forced to concede that the world was far older than six thousand years, that the six days of creation described in Genesis were not literally twenty-four hours each and that he had never read any critical account of the origins of the biblical text. Scopes was convicted and fined $100 (later overturned on a technicality by Tennessee’s Supreme Court) but there is no doubt that the victor of the trial was modern science. Bryan himself died shortly afterwards amid widespread press criticism of him and his followers as ‘hopeless anachronisms.’ (Armstrong 2000) Despite this, Tennessee kept its anti-evolution laws on the statute book until 1967. Fundamentalists felt marginalised by the hostility to their views, but their faith, ‘rooted in deep fear and anxiety’, was, if anything, strengthened by the Dayton disaster. During the following thirty years, their resentment festered and their beliefs became even more extreme and right-wing. ‘Fundamentalism exists in a symbiotic relationship with an aggressive liberalism or secularism, and, under attack, invariably becomes more extreme, bitter and excessive.’ (Armstrong 2000) Their cause was given an unintended boost in the 1960s. The federal government’s policy of requiring state schools to be racially integrated was unpopular with many white middle-class Americans who began sending their children to privately run church schools, many of which taught creationism. Pupils were taught that ‘Dinosaur bones were those of creatures killed during the Flood, while fossil dating – using the principles of the radioactive decay of atoms – was derided as a fraud.’ (Robin McKie and Martin Bright The Observer 17 March 2002) Today, seventy-odd years after Dayton, creationism is making another come-back in the US. A recent survey by California State University’s Professor Lawrence Lerner, published in Scientific American, reveals that creationism is spreading in the world’s most technologically advanced nation ‘at a disturbing rate’. Forty-five per cent of Americans – and even forty per cent of US Catholics – say they believe God created life some time in the past ten thousand years, despite the fact that … read more »
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach IKnowHimDoYou: Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians. One would need the talent of a Dr. Doolittle to convey the facts to them. But then, since they cannot comprehend those facts or even evalute them, it would be a fruitless endeavor.
You’re babbling. You need to see a doctor. Evolutionary animals insist they are decended from lower animals and that all life is just animals without souls or spirits. They, not having any imagination, could not think or dream of anything higher than themselves. Life just has to fit their limited bounds for there could never be anything beyond them they posit.
Where are these evolutionary animals? Could they be the same as animals? Can you talk to them? Do they understand you? Are you nuts? Yes or no? Well, as Christians , we would like to inform them that there is LIFE beyond them and it is real LIFE not just and existance. It is LIFE with abundance(John 10:10) and it will go on for eternity(Jon 3:16).
You’re full of shit. Your own religion posits that humans are the only species out of millions that are immortal. Yet we die, like animals do. You are fucking crazy. — Vic Sagerquist aa#2011 Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department It’s my funeral and I’ll fry if I want to…
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Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians. One would need the talent of a Dr. Doolittle to convey the facts to them. But then, since they cannot comprehend those facts or even evalute them, it would be a fruitless endeavor. Evolutionary animals insist they are decended from lower animals and that all life is just animals without souls or spirits. They, not having any imagination, could not think or dream of anything higher than themselves. Life just has to fit their limited bounds for there could never be anything beyond them they posit.
So, imagining things, wishful thinking and day dreams equal reality in your little world? No wonder you are so confused. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, as Christians , we would like to inform them that there is LIFE beyond them and it is real LIFE not just and existance. It is LIFE with abundance(John 10:10) and it will go on for eternity(Jon 3:16).
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians. One would need the talent of a Dr. Doolittle to convey the facts to them. But then, since they cannot comprehend those facts or even evalute them, it would be a fruitless endeavor. Evolutionary animals insist they are decended from lower animals and that all life is just animals without souls or spirits. They, not having any imagination, could not think or dream of anything higher than themselves. Life just has to fit their limited bounds for there could never be anything beyond them they posit. Well, as Christians , we would like to inform them that there is LIFE beyond them and it is real LIFE not just and existance. It is LIFE with abundance(John 10:10) and it will go on for eternity(Jon 3:16).
…and the animals boarded The Ark two by two what a pathetic lunatic you are
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Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians. One would need the talent of a Dr. Doolittle
…another imaginary character… to convey the facts to them. But then, since they cannot comprehend those facts or even evalute them, it would be a fruitless endeavor.
So then … just go away. Why spend so much time in a fruitless endevor? Evolutionary animals insist they are decended from lower animals and that all life is just animals without souls or spirits. They, not having any imagination, could not think or dream of anything higher than themselves.
Funny you should mention "imagination". Life just has to fit their limited bounds for there could never be anything beyond them they posit.
Well, now you’re just lying. Well, as Christians , we would like to inform them that there is LIFE beyond them and it is real LIFE not just and existance. It is LIFE with abundance(John 10:10) and it will go on for eternity(Jon 3:16).
You’ve informed us. You’ve earned your little mark in the "credit" column of your god’s ledger book. Now go away, troll. bogie
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Talking To The Animals Trying to talk or even communicate with the evolutionary animals is well nigh impossible for Christians. One would need the talent of a Dr. Doolittle to convey the facts to them. But then, since they cannot comprehend those facts or even evalute them, it would be a fruitless endeavor. Evolutionary animals insist they are decended from lower animals and that all life is just animals without souls or spirits. They, not having any imagination, could not think or dream of anything higher than themselves. Life just has to fit their limited bounds for there could never be anything beyond them they posit. Well, as Christians , we would like to inform them that there is LIFE beyond them and it is real LIFE not just and existance. It is LIFE with abundance(John 10:10) and it will go on for eternity(Jon 3:16).
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