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For some strange reason I assumed that this would be a group for Roman Catholics to share, pray for and ponder the meaning of faith in this context. I have been sadly disappointed…it seems like an RC bashing site which greatly distresses me. While we all have opinions in matters of faith and order…it would seem to me that we could be more civil. Perhaps even ecumenical…or is that beyond the scope of anyones imaginations? I would be happy to hear what others think. Peace Bill
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It is a Roman Catholic NG. Supposed to be a forum for Catholic discussion about the faith. But then again you have heard of the expression, "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Well, who could be the interlopers and invaders into this NG but the instruments of satan who are trying to prevail against the Church’s faithful. Somehow they are trying to be ecumenical with us. Let them. Maybe these poor souls may yet find their way to heaven through this NG. Ad majorem Dei gloriam, Carlque "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies." (St. Jerome, 420 AD) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For some strange reason I assumed that this would be a group for Roman Catholics to share, pray for and ponder the meaning of faith in this context. I have been sadly disappointed…it seems like an RC bashing site which greatly distresses me. While we all have opinions in matters of faith and order…it would seem to me that we could be more civil. Perhaps even ecumenical…or is that beyond the scope of anyones imaginations? I would be happy to hear what others think. Peace Bill
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Thus speaks the voice of the other side of "hard heartedness". Those who on all sides seek "enemies" to justify their own similar condemnation of others not them. How the extremes meet…!!! FTT
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is a Roman Catholic NG. Supposed to be a forum for Catholic discussion about the faith. But then again you have heard of the expression, "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Well, who could be the interlopers and invaders into this NG but the instruments of satan who are trying to prevail against the Church’s faithful. Somehow they are trying to be ecumenical with us. Let them. Maybe these poor souls may yet find their way to heaven through this NG. Ad majorem Dei gloriam, Carlque "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies." (St. Jerome, 420 AD) For some strange reason I assumed that this would be a group for Roman Catholics to share, pray for and ponder the meaning of faith in this context. I have been sadly disappointed…it seems like an RC bashing site which greatly distresses me. While we all have opinions in matters of faith and order…it would seem to me that we could be more civil. Perhaps even ecumenical…or is that beyond the scope of anyones imaginations? I would be happy to hear what others think. Peace Bill
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Bill, I felt the same way when I first read some of the postings. My thoughts however have changed. Share your thoughts, share your prayers. They are meant to be heard just as the people who post the negative messages are here for a reason and are listening. God Bless. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For some strange reason I assumed that this would be a group for Roman Catholics to share, pray for and ponder the meaning of faith in this context. I have been sadly disappointed…it seems like an RC bashing site which greatly distresses me. While we all have opinions in matters of faith and order…it would seem to me that we could be more civil. Perhaps even ecumenical…or is that beyond the scope of anyones imaginations? I would be happy to hear what others think. Peace Bill
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For some strange reason I assumed that this would be a group for Roman Catholics to share, pray for and ponder the meaning of faith in this context. I have been sadly disappointed…it seems like an RC bashing site which greatly distresses me. While we all have opinions in matters of faith and order…it would seem to me that we could be more civil. Perhaps even ecumenical…or is that beyond the scope of anyones imaginations? I would be happy to hear what others think. Peace Bill
You have assumed that this NG was like a church on Sunday in which there would be only Catholics. Ecumenical commands respect and comprehension, liberty of expression. If you restrict this NG to Catholics only, you deny ecumenical dialogue. What does it matter if there are bashing and contradictions. One would expect that the Catholic Church is matured enough to accept contempt, bashing, insults and is in need of no one to defend her doctrines on this NG. She needs only listen and expect its learned members to answer questions when questioned. You don’t down a Goliath with needles. Are you going to shoot the first one who says something against Jesus? The posts on this NG are representative of the actual situation in North America and i will quote from Maclean’s/November 29, 1999. NORTH AMERICA. "Christianity has been overwhelmingly dominant for 100 years, but it has been losing ground to the non-religious, and in the past 50 years, increasingly to atheism and Eastern faiths as well. 2.2 million Christians are born every year, while 164,700 members defect to other faiths, giving Christianity a net growth rate slightly below North America’s population growth rate. Of the Christian religions, Roman Catholics, evangelicals and Pentecostals are outstripping the population growth rate. Protestants are in decline, losing one member through defection for every two members gained through birth. Buddism (2.4 million followers) is growing almost three times as fast as Christianity. The number of non-religious has grown to 26 million (8.7 per cent) today from one million in 1900. The number of atheists is growing even more quickly, to 1.4 million from 2,000 in 1900. The Muslim, Hindu and Sikh faiths, virtually nonexistent here in the first half of the century, have all expanded more recently, though only Muslims account for more than one per cent. Jews, who began the century with 1.9 per cent of the total population, peaked in 1975 with 2.9 per cent, then fell to finish the century where they started, at 1.9 per cent." I trust that those statistics compiled by Sue Ferguson are representative of the actual situation, therefore one should not be surprised that we are not living in the perfect world some would like it to be. No one wishes to go back to 1900 and we must accept the present situation as it is and hope that justice and peace will prevail, regardless. If my attitude and opinions are against the teachings of the Catholic Church, i will gladly unsubscribe from this NG. Let us behave like grown-ups.
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When satan works through men who twist the meaning of the Bible "to their own destruction" (2 Peter 3:16), I don’t think there is any middle ground. You fight satan with vehemence because it is evil you are up against. And you’ll find a lot of evil penetrating this NG. Ad Jesum per Mariam, Carlque "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies." (St. Jerome, 420 AD) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thus speaks the voice of the other side of "hard heartedness". Those who on all sides seek "enemies" to justify their own similar condemnation of others not them. How the extremes meet…!!! FTT It is a Roman Catholic NG. Supposed to be a forum for Catholic discussion about the faith. But then again you have heard of the expression, "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Well, who could be the interlopers and invaders into this NG but the instruments of satan who are trying to prevail against the Church’s faithful. Somehow they are trying to be ecumenical with us. Let them. Maybe these poor souls may yet find their way to heaven through this NG. Ad majorem Dei gloriam, Carlque "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies." (St. Jerome, 420 AD) For some strange reason I assumed that this would be a group for Roman Catholics to share, pray for and ponder the meaning of faith in this context. I have been sadly disappointed…it seems like an RC bashing site which greatly distresses me. While we all have opinions in matters of faith and order…it would seem to me that we could be more civil. Perhaps even ecumenical…or is that beyond the scope of anyones imaginations? I would be happy to hear what others think. Peace Bill
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Observation well taken. I will add that in the years of the last "age", it is prophesied that apostasy will be prevalent in the Catholic Church and a few "remnant" will be found. But we rely on Jesus’ promise, (cf. Matt. 16:18; John 14:16-17) and the Church will rise again in Her beautiful majesty as the Bride of Christ, (Eph. 5:24, 25, 29, 31, 32). Ad Jesum per Mariam, Carlque, "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies." (St. Jerome, 420 AD) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For some strange reason I assumed that this would be a group for Roman Catholics to share, pray for and ponder the meaning of faith in this context. I have been sadly disappointed…it seems like an RC bashing site which greatly distresses me. While we all have opinions in matters of faith and order…it would seem to me that we could be more civil. Perhaps even ecumenical…or is that beyond the scope of anyones imaginations? I would be happy to hear what others think. Peace Bill You have assumed that this NG was like a church on Sunday in which there would be only Catholics. Ecumenical commands respect and comprehension, liberty of expression. If you restrict this NG to Catholics only, you deny ecumenical dialogue. What does it matter if there are bashing and contradictions. One would expect that the Catholic Church is matured enough to accept contempt, bashing, insults and is in need of no one to defend her doctrines on this NG. She needs only listen and expect its learned members to answer questions when questioned. You don’t down a Goliath with needles. Are you going to shoot the first one who says something against Jesus? The posts on this NG are representative of the actual situation in North America and i will quote from Maclean’s/November 29, 1999. NORTH AMERICA. "Christianity has been overwhelmingly dominant for 100 years, but it has been losing ground to the non-religious, and in the past 50 years, increasingly to atheism and Eastern faiths as well. 2.2 million Christians are born every year, while 164,700 members defect to other faiths, giving Christianity a net growth rate slightly below North America’s population growth rate. Of the Christian religions, Roman Catholics, evangelicals and Pentecostals are outstripping the population growth rate. Protestants are in decline, losing one member through defection for every two members gained through birth. Buddism (2.4 million followers) is growing almost three times as fast as Christianity. The number of non-religious has grown to 26 million (8.7 per cent) today from one million in 1900. The number of atheists is growing even more quickly, to 1.4 million from 2,000 in 1900. The Muslim, Hindu and Sikh faiths, virtually nonexistent here in the first half of the century, have all expanded more recently, though only Muslims account for more than one per cent. Jews, who began the century with 1.9 per cent of the total population, peaked in 1975 with 2.9 per cent, then fell to finish the century where they started, at 1.9 per cent." I trust that those statistics compiled by Sue Ferguson are representative of the actual situation, therefore one should not be surprised that we are not living in the perfect world some would like it to be. No one wishes to go back to 1900 and we must accept the present situation as it is and hope that justice and peace will prevail, regardless. If my attitude and opinions are against the teachings of the Catholic Church, i will gladly unsubscribe from this NG. Let us behave like grown-ups.
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I first had a look at this newsgroup several weeks ago, thinking that it might help me learn about Catholic Church issues, doctrines, etc. The abusive posters here just get "plonked" by me, that is, I use my Outlook Express feature of "block sender" on them. It’s a great filter, and I’ve used it about ten times just in the past couple of weeks. I can no longer see the posts by certain idiots who obviously are too immature to be read and taken seriously. The only problem is that a lot of well-meaning people respond to the idiots and re-post the original posts from them. I have had to get in the habit of scrolling past those re-posts. My hope is that the good folks will just filter the goofys, or, if they want to respond to them, they’ll snip the offending post first. Anyway, this ng is useful to me because I can see that some devout Catholics come here, even a Priest or two, and they clarify things pretty well for me. I am not a Catholic, btw, just a person who wants to learn about the oldest Christian Church. —– Jerry
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May the Holy Spirit be your Guide. And someday we hope to welcome you as a member of the "communion of saints". But satan is very much active. He also chooses this NG as his battleground. Someone has to join battle with him. His wiles can only be defeated with the Light of Christ. Ad majorem Dei gloriam, Carlque "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies." (St. Jerome, 420 AD) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I first had a look at this newsgroup several weeks ago, thinking that it might help me learn about Catholic Church issues, doctrines, etc. The abusive posters here just get "plonked" by me, that is, I use my Outlook Express feature of "block sender" on them. It’s a great filter, and I’ve used it about ten times just in the past couple of weeks. I can no longer see the posts by certain idiots who obviously are too immature to be read and taken seriously. The only problem is that a lot of well-meaning people respond to the idiots and re-post the original posts from them. I have had to get in the habit of scrolling past those re-posts. My hope is that the good folks will just filter the goofys, or, if they want to respond to them, they’ll snip the offending post first. Anyway, this ng is useful to me because I can see that some devout Catholics come here, even a Priest or two, and they clarify things pretty well for me. I am not a Catholic, btw, just a person who wants to learn about the oldest Christian Church. —– Jerry
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Ecumenical commands respect and comprehension, liberty of expression. If you restrict this NG to Catholics only, you deny ecumenical dialogue.
"It is quite unlawful to demand, to defend, or to grant unconditional freedom of thought, of speech, or writing, or of worship, as if these were so many rights given by nature to man. For if nature had really granted them, it would be lawful to refuse obedience to God, and there would be no restraint on human liberty."- Pope Leo XIII, ‘Immortale Dei’, 1888 "About the ‘rights of man’ as they are called, the people have heard enough: it is time we should hear about the rights of God!"-Pope Pius XIII, ‘Tamesti’
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When satan works through men who twist the meaning of the Bible "to their own destruction" (2 Peter 3:16), I don’t think there is any middle ground. You fight satan with vehemence because it is evil you are up against. And you’ll find a lot of evil penetrating this NG. Ad Jesum per Mariam, Carlque "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies." (St. Jerome, 420 AD)
Have you ever stopped to think Carlque in your enthusiasm for "truth" that Satan in working quite well throuh your harshness ? I guess not..!! Too bad ! FTT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thus speaks the voice of the other side of "hard heartedness". Those who on all sides seek "enemies" to justify their own similar condemnation of others not them. How the extremes meet…!!! FTT
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But this is not the Church, this is a Newsgroup. You are giving me the theological brush off and i say to you that is not the way to to go about it. You are being doctrinate and subtituting youself to the Church. You are defending your own convictions which are not necessary those of the Church. You more or less condemn people using the Pope’s encyclicals and you are doing exactly what you blame others of doing using biblical texts to condemn you. Come on down to earth and realize that the days you could subdue people to your individual conceptions no longer is. What is the percentage of people that do no longer attend church on Sunday? Ever thought of that? People want comprehension, compassion, understanding and what do you give them, the brush off. I will repeat that the Church does not need people like you, whoever you are, to defend its doctrines. The doctrines are well known and they are available to the public. Whatever you may add will not alter what is written. Be mature, accept the challenge, let the people free and stop acting like a dictator but as a shepherd. I was polite and respectful in my first intervention. Did not ask for a theological response but for a human one. The two answers i received so far your and another one are not the type of answers i expected. Completely cut-off from the reality of present day life. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ecumenical commands respect and comprehension, liberty of expression. If you restrict this NG to Catholics only, you deny ecumenical dialogue. "It is quite unlawful to demand, to defend, or to grant unconditional freedom of thought, of speech, or writing, or of worship, as if these were so many rights given by nature to man. For if nature had really granted them, it would be lawful to refuse obedience to God, and there would be no restraint on human liberty."- Pope Leo XIII, ‘Immortale Dei’, 1888 "About the ‘rights of man’ as they are called, the people have heard enough: it is time we should hear about the rights of God!"-Pope Pius XIII, ‘Tamesti’
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For some strange reason I assumed that this would be a group for Roman Catholics to share, pray for and ponder the meaning of faith in this context. I have been sadly disappointed…it seems like an RC bashing site which greatly distresses me. While we all have opinions in matters of faith and order…it would seem to me that we could be more civil. Perhaps even ecumenical…or is that beyond the scope of anyones imaginations? I would be happy to hear what others think. Peace Bill
Oh, you’ll get used to it. Alan
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It is all a question of logic. If you feel you have to answer every bashing and that the Church requires you to do so, you will make a fool of yourself. The Church does not require that of you, it can take care of herself. Will give you an advise. Take a walk on other NGs, be free to express yourself on those NGs, then you can meet your adversaries on their own ground and they won’t have to post on your NG. But to do this you have to play the game for it is a two way game. You cannot take these NGs seriously, nor do they take yours seriously, there has to be some jokes, some insults, some bashings, some serious posts, some religious posts. It is all a question of moderation and witt. Don’t be a prisoner of your NG for they will have your skin. Use your brain and enjoy the witt on these NGs. If you are in need of some special spams or flames, i will help out. I was here some two, three years ago and i outsmarted a few. I play the game, i know the game and they know it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You have assumed that this NG was like a church on Sunday in which there would be only Catholics. Ecumenical commands respect and comprehension, liberty of expression. If you restrict this NG to Catholics only, you deny ecumenical dialogue. What does it matter if there are bashing and contradictions. I do not think the poster called for a Catholic only presence, but rather that this newsgroup should be for the DISCUSSION of Catholic issues. Discussion is not bashing. Discussion is not what many of the anti-Catholic Trolls want. The Satanists, the Jack Chick followers, and the other trolls do not want any discussion. They view this forum, as a means to pretend to convert the sinful Catholics back to Christ. Pretend, because any moron knows that one of the worst ways to convince anyone of anargument is to firsthand insult that person, but such insults seem to only be what they understand. One would expect that the Catholic Church is matured enough to accept contempt, bashing, insults and is in need of no one to defend her doctrines on this NG. Imagine if you will an obsene phone caller. The caller calls you once or twice a month, yells the same obsenities over and over, and continues to do so no matter what you say or do. Now imagine that he has several friends who do the same thing in tag team fashion on alternate days. That is what the Trolls do in this newsgroup. How many times can we firmy and clearly state, for example, that "Catholics do not ‘worship’ Mary." Let the trolls repeat the same lie, again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again (you get my point) and again. One easily gets tired of such batterings, Catholic and Non Catholic alike. That people do occasionally ask real honest questions, and that they get answered among all this noise, and that occasional discussions do take place in a civil atmosphere, is something which I think, after all due consideration is made is a real miracle. It does happen. And with God’s help, it will happen again. — Peace & Good! Christopher Beattie SFO KOC, SPEBSQSA, et.al. Before you buy.
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For some strange reason I assumed that this would be a group for Roman Catholics to share, pray for and ponder the meaning of faith in this context. I have been sadly disappointed…it seems like an RC bashing site which greatly distresses me.
really? I thought it was an NG for catholics to spew their ignorance and hatred toward all non catholics. While we all have opinions in matters of faith and order…it would seem to me that we could be more civil. Perhaps even ecumenical…or is that beyond the scope of anyones imaginations? I would be happy to hear what others think. Peace
satan has no peace. Try the Truth. Bill
– John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father.
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For some strange reason I assumed that this would be a group for Roman Catholics to share, pray for and ponder the meaning of faith in this context. I have been sadly disappointed…it seems like an RC bashing site which greatly distresses me. While we all have opinions in matters of faith and order…it would seem to me that we could be more civil. Perhaps even ecumenical…or is that beyond the scope of anyones imaginations? I would be happy to hear what others think.
Welcome to the uunet alt groups, where any one can post anything. And since anyone can post anything, it is very easy for the few to spam this group with messages, and with crossposting. Such people commonly known as "trolls" for their tendency to send out several posts which are of a highly volitile nature, are found throughout the alt groups, but especially here, since there are so many denominations which seem to base their faith on the "evils" of the Catholic Church alone. Ignore them, and they will not go away. Respond to them and they will not go away either. They don’t seek a discussion, since they are right and anyone else is wrong. Their personal understanding of the Bible is the Bible, and therefore their minds are forever closed. Even the occasional good post is often ruined by the Trolls, although for some strange reason, the recent threads between the Traditionalists who think the Mass of Paul VI is invalid and those who do not seem to be somewhat free of Trollish interference. What should we do? Pray for the Trolls, encourage all those who are civil, and skip a lot of threads which seem like they have gone too far and have wandered off topic or are of a clearly trollish nature. Given the lack of constraints in the alt group, that is the best we can expect out of this group. — Peace & Good! Christopher Beattie SFO KOC, SPEBSQSA, et.al. Before you buy.
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You have assumed that this NG was like a church on Sunday in which there would be only Catholics. Ecumenical commands respect and comprehension, liberty of expression. If you restrict this NG to Catholics only, you deny ecumenical dialogue. What does it matter if there are bashing and contradictions.
I do not think the poster called for a Catholic only presence, but rather that this newsgroup should be for the DISCUSSION of Catholic issues. Discussion is not bashing. Discussion is not what many of the anti-Catholic Trolls want. The Satanists, the Jack Chick followers, and the other trolls do not want any discussion. They view this forum, as a means to pretend to convert the sinful Catholics back to Christ. Pretend, because any moron knows that one of the worst ways to convince anyone of anargument is to firsthand insult that person, but such insults seem to only be what they understand. One would expect that the Catholic Church is matured enough to accept contempt, bashing, insults and is in need of no one to defend her doctrines on this NG.
Imagine if you will an obsene phone caller. The caller calls you once or twice a month, yells the same obsenities over and over, and continues to do so no matter what you say or do. Now imagine that he has several friends who do the same thing in tag team fashion on alternate days. That is what the Trolls do in this newsgroup. How many times can we firmy and clearly state, for example, that "Catholics do not ‘worship’ Mary." Let the trolls repeat the same lie, again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again (you get my point) and again. One easily gets tired of such batterings, Catholic and Non Catholic alike. That people do occasionally ask real honest questions, and that they get answered among all this noise, and that occasional discussions do take place in a civil atmosphere, is something which I think, after all due consideration is made is a real miracle. It does happen. And with God’s help, it will happen again. — Peace & Good! Christopher Beattie SFO KOC, SPEBSQSA, et.al. Before you buy.
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May the Holy Spirit be your Guide. ..
What an incredible notion.. Thank you.
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You’re welcome. And Christ’s peace be with you. Ad majorem Dei gloriam, Carlque – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – May the Holy Spirit be your Guide. .. What an incredible notion.. Thank you.
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When this NG is being besieged by anti-Catholic venom, it’s hard to be calm. Nevertheless, may Christ’s peace be with you. Ad majorem Dei gloriam, Carlque "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies." (St. Jerome, 420 AD) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When satan works through men who twist the meaning of the Bible "to their own destruction" (2 Peter 3:16), I don’t think there is any middle ground. You fight satan with vehemence because it is evil you are up against. And you’ll find a lot of evil penetrating this NG. Ad Jesum per Mariam, Carlque "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies." (St. Jerome, 420 AD) Have you ever stopped to think Carlque in your enthusiasm for "truth" that Satan in working quite well throuh your harshness ? I guess not..!! Too bad ! FTT Thus speaks the voice of the other side of "hard heartedness". Those who on all sides seek "enemies" to justify their own similar condemnation of others not them. How the extremes meet…!!! FTT
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"It is quite unlawful to demand, to defend, or to grant unconditional freedom of thought, of speech, or writing, or of worship, as if these were so many rights given by nature to man. For if nature had really granted them, it would be lawful to refuse obedience to God, and there would be no restraint on human liberty."- Pope Leo XIII, ‘Immortale Dei’, 1888 "About the ‘rights of man’ as they are called, the people have heard enough: it is time we should hear about the rights of God!"-Pope Pius XIII, ‘Tamesti’
Sounds just like me telling my son that cartoons and video games are NOT "God-given rights" of children… that they are treats, privileges to be earned… LOL Ya, it’s a lame analogy, in some respects, I know, I know, we don’t "earn" privileges from God… but it kind of works… ;-) Rights… like the "right" to choose to kill an unborn child? Or the "right" of one group to exterminate another group of humans to perform "ethnic cleansing" We don’t have "rights" – we have gifts from God that we need to shepherd, and cherish, and be good stewards of. But we do have "free will" – so we can choose to be like the servant that buried his coin, or just throw those gifts over our left shoulder and go on our merry way, all concerned with our "rights". The servant has no "rights" – who said life would be fair, anyway? We have a duty, to obedience to God. We have no right to demand any gift, any blessing, and mercy from Him. Yet He will freely give them out of His unending love. (Just like my son, has no right to demand brownies, or games, or gifts from me – but I give them because I love him.) — God bless, Lisa Please reply to the newsgroup or to the address below, for me to see it. http://www.javanet.com/~lanat
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You want rights…..Vatican 2 gives you them "This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom…"- Paul VI, ‘Dignitatis Humane’, December 7, 1965 "The most important human rights are the right to life, liberty, and personal safety, the right to freedom of expression, and the right to religion."-JohnPaul II It would appear that what Vatican 2 teaches contradicts what was taught before then. If you their is only one religion you can join then Vatican 2 is in error; if you are free to join any religion than what was taught before Vatican 2 is in error. For example: Pope Pius XI, speaking of inter-religious prayer dialogue, in "The Promotion of True Religious Unity [Mortalium Animos" said: "They presuppose the erroneous view that all religions are more or less praisworthy, in as much as all give expression, under various forms, to that innate sense which leads men to God." JP II said, at the World Day of Prayer, in Assisi: "All religions are more or less good and praiseworthy, in as much all give expression, under various forms, to that innate sense which leads men to God." Which one is right?
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When this NG is being besieged by anti-Catholic venom, it’s hard to be calm. Nevertheless, may Christ’s peace be with you.
When this NG is being besieged by catholic venom, it’s not hard to be calm. Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Carlque
– John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father.
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Funny. The devil also quotes the Bible; Matt. 4:6. Ad Jesum per Mariam, Carlque "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies." (St. Jerome, 420 AD) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When this NG is being besieged by anti-Catholic venom, it’s hard to be calm. Nevertheless, may Christ’s peace be with you. When this NG is being besieged by catholic venom, it’s not hard to be calm. Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Carlque — John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father.
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When a Christian calls or insinuates that another Christian is of the Devil, that Christian should ask himself some serious questions. He is either disconnected from the realities of this life or deranged. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Funny. The devil also quotes the Bible; Matt. 4:6. Ad Jesum per Mariam, Carlque "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies." (St. Jerome, 420 AD) When this NG is being besieged by anti-Catholic venom, it’s hard to be calm. Nevertheless, may Christ’s peace be with you. When this NG is being besieged by catholic venom, it’s not hard to be calm. Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Carlque — John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father.
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