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following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : Did you ever stop to think, that she may have been away from her computer, or do you just assume things. Funny Elaine, you don’t make statements like this when your friend CeCe responds to posts that are old. ANDso did the SIL….

You didn’t object to CeCe responding… But then you wouldn’t object to that… your hypocrisy knows no bounds, Elaine. And AGAIN, you know NOTHING of the original situation….. NOTHING at all. I DO.

Actually, we all know about the original situation, since you’ve posted information about it. So ?BACK OFF. That’s the best suggestion I can give you at this point.

Then don’t bring it up in the newsgroup. That’s the best suggestion I can give YOU at this point. If you don’t want people to comment, don’t bring it up. You don’t even have any IDEA what you’re butting into.

Actually, yes, we do. You’ve been dragging this around the newsgroup for a very long time. Your hatred is well documented.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There you go lying again. You are adding to what she said. Are you that hate filled Elaine. I really feel sorry for you. To be so hate filled, that you have to blame others for your problems. Do you even stop to think for one minute, that maybe your brother doesn’t want to have any contact with you because of your attitude. Your brother married Linda, and it is his wife. You should be happy for them both. But I do not see happiness in your replies to her. You are still blaming her for what happened. Where it could have been just as much as your fault Elaine. What do you think she is doing, stopping your brother from contacting you. I am sorry, I don’t see that happening. You really need to get over this hate, and fill your life with love. I will pray for you. Pray that God will remove this hatred that is harbored inside of you. And before you even say it is none of my business, you made it everyone’s business, when you posted your answer above. May God remove the hatred you harbor inside of you. Larry My intent was to inform everyone that four letters to the editor which consisted of two by the lady in question and two from other people did not constitute many articles as was mentioned in Elaine’s post of December 22th. I also want to thank you for defense but I fear it will lead to you being attacked also and I do not wish that. All I can do is share with you a piece of wisdom that was imparted recently to me, "if someone likes to throw manure become like teflon and let it slide off, because if you gather it up or let it stick to you, then you will stink too." May you have a Blessed Christmas and my prayers are with you. Linda

Linda, Thank you, and thank you for the advice. I have finally learned not to let some of the garbage posted in here by some bother me. I am not responding as much as I used to. I still once in a while, have a conversation with Chris. He is a good guy to talk with. We don’t always agree, but we can be civil about it. Unlike some. May you and yours have a very Merry Christmas, and my prayers are with you and yours. Larry

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following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : Only in your eyes, not God’s. And to be honest with you, yours do not count. May the Lord bless you and keep you this holiday season. CeCe’s eyes don’t count? Or her opinions? Really, Larry, you make yourself sound as mixed-up as another individual here who insults, threatens, then adds ‘God bless’ at the end of his tirades…..

Did I say opinion Elaine. Nope don’t see it. So I guess you are making it up. Oh just as mixed up as you saying God bless regardless. Really Elaine, you have to get control of your hatred. It will be your downfall.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : Elaine, we could say the same thing about you. What was your reason for posting this article. Could it have been to stir up trouble, knowing that Catholics read and post in here? You can say whatever you like, LArry. Back to playing net nanny AGAIN I see. This article is also several weeks old now- so why not ask ‘lhm’ why SHE decided to stir the pot again? All the rest of us said our piece, and dropped the matter. As for my posting it here in the first place, tell me how many romanists there are infesting this group . Then you can make whatever decision you like, because I don’t really care. I owe you no explanation.

Also Elaine, you better check, your buddy CeCe, is the first one to respond to it in the past couple of days, then you, then Linda. So if you want to blame anyone for stirring the pot again, it would have to be your buddy CeCe. But we all know that will not happen.

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following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : Elaine, we could say the same thing about you. What was your reason for posting this article. Could it have been to stir up trouble, knowing that Catholics read and post in here? You can say whatever you like, LArry. Back to playing net nanny AGAIN I see.

Back to the name calling again I see Elaine. I see you cut part of it, but that is your mo isn’t it. This article is also several weeks old now- so why not ask ‘lhm’ why SHE decided to stir the pot again? All the rest of us said our piece, and dropped the matter.

Did you ever stop to think, that she may have been away from her computer, or do you just assume things. Funny Elaine, you don’t make statements like this when your friend CeCe responds to posts that are old. As for my posting it here in the first place, tell me how many romanists there are infesting this group . Then you can make whatever decision you like, because I don’t really care. I owe you no explanation.

No you don’t owe any explanation, maybe an apology. But I know that will only happen, you don’t say you are sorry. The hatred you harbor, will not let you.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : wrote the following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : So, readers, those of you who will try to label me a liar. go ahead – call the phone numbers I posted, and check it out for yourself as to what plight those ladies found themselves in. For reasons of their personal privacy, I am not naming them here, but the name of the paper is The District Weekender. You’re right Elaine, that never should have happened. Although I can truthfully say that I am not a bit surprised. It’s a typical response. I have seen similar things before. It’s sad. CeCe — It is indeed sad, Ce Ce. That lady was quite understandably upset. There were many articles printed in the Weekender concerning this lack of courtesy on the part of that priest. I hear the lady is so miffed she will not bother going back to their sale next year. and she and her friends have been doing so for years up to this point I don’t think that two letters to the editor by the woman in question, responses by two other people in defense of their priest constitutes "many articles". In fact the woman’s second letter was described to me (by a Baptist who is a member of your church) much as a petulant child might write. I note your letter was never published. They claimed they ran out of room, plus they had one ‘pro’ and one ‘con’ regarding the rude actions of that priest. It might be published next weekend, or might not be, who knows? And what is your purpose in posting this? To stir up more dissent as usual? Elaine, we could say the same thing about you. What was your reason for posting this article. Could it have been to stir up trouble, knowing that Catholics read and post in here? The fact that the woman in question and friends decide not to go back to the sale next year is entirely their business and is solely their decision. I never said it wasn’t, madam. A Blessed Christmas to Everyone Linda Yeah, right. as long as everyone agrees with you. Well THIS Christian does not. In more ways than one. Have a pleasant day, and a pleasant Christmas, Linda. I’ll still continue to wish my estranged brother the very best regardless of your attitude. May God bless you both. There you go lying again. You are adding to what she said. Are you that hate filled Elaine. I really feel sorry for you. To be so hate filled, that you have to blame others for your problems. Do you even stop to think for one minute, that maybe your brother doesn’t want to have any contact with you because of your attitude. Your brother married Linda, and it is his wife. You should be happy for them both. But I do not see happiness in your replies to her. You are still blaming her for what happened. Where it could have been just as much as your fault Elaine. What do you think she is doing, stopping your brother from contacting you. I am sorry, I don’t see that happening. You really need to get over this hate, and fill your life with love. I will pray for you. Pray that God will remove this hatred that is harbored inside of you. And before you even say it is none of my business, you made it everyone’s business, when you posted your answer above. May God remove the hatred you harbor inside of you.

Larry My intent was to inform everyone that four letters to the editor which consisted of two by the lady in question and two from other people did not constitute many articles as was mentioned in Elaine’s post of December 22th. I also want to thank you for defense but I fear it will lead to you being attacked also and I do not wish that. All I can do is share with you a piece of wisdom that was imparted recently to me, "if someone likes to throw manure become like teflon and let it slide off, because if you gather it up or let it stick to you, then you will stink too." May you have a Blessed Christmas and my prayers are with you. Linda

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wrote the following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : Larry said: True, no one made those statements CeCe, that I can recall. But James read the same thing I did. In other words, I read what could have been taken from those comments. Just as he may have. So you’re both irrational then. Good to know. CeCe It’s sad, really- Larry CAN be quite rational when he wants to be. but when he plays ‘net nanny’ it just stirs the pot. He’d be better off saying nothing in those cases.

I am being rational Elaine, but you cannot see it. The hatred has your vision blocked.

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Oh brother… Let’s attack the entire Catholic faith because one human being behaved poorly. No one of any other faith ever behaves poorly.

Stop building strawmen. No one attacked the entire catholic faith and no one ever made the claim that no one of any other faith ever behaves poorly. Your comments are totally irrational. CeCe — I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. –Galileo Galilei

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Oh brother… Let’s attack the entire Catholic faith because one human being behaved poorly. No one of any other faith ever behaves poorly. Stop building strawmen. No one attacked the entire catholic faith and no one ever made the claim that no one of any other faith ever behaves poorly. Your comments are totally irrational. CeCe

True, no one made those statements CeCe, that I can recall. But James read the same thing I did. In other words, I read what could have been taken from those comments. Just as he may have.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh brother… Let’s attack the entire Catholic faith because one human being behaved poorly. No one of any other faith ever behaves poorly. Stop building strawmen. No one attacked the entire catholic faith and no one ever made the claim that no one of any other faith ever behaves poorly. Your comments are totally irrational. CeCe True, no one made those statements CeCe, that I can recall. But James read the same thing I did. In other words, I read what could have been taken from those comments. Just as he may have.

I saw the troll bait. James

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh brother… Let’s attack the entire Catholic faith because one human being behaved poorly. No one of any other faith ever behaves poorly. Stop building strawmen. No one attacked the entire catholic faith and no one ever made the claim that no one of any other faith ever behaves poorly. Your comments are totally irrational. CeCe True, no one made those statements CeCe, that I can recall. But James read the same thing I did. In other words, I read what could have been taken from those comments. Just as he may have.

So you’re both irrational then. Good to know. CeCe — I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. –Galileo Galilei

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Only in your eyes, not God’s. And to be honest with you, yours do not count. May the Lord bless you and keep you this holiday season.

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Usenet News’Froups! : I saw the troll bait. James Apparentl;y anyone and everyone who disagrees with your points is a troll… hmmm- you related to Cathy Hall / Culligan perhaps?

No… I saw troll BAIT. A topic targeted at drawing out the trolls for another round. If anyone agrees with me more than half the time then they are probably not thinking for themselves as I could not possibly be right more than half the time at best. If I could be sure of better than 50% average of being right, I would go to Vegas and get rich! James

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This year, she was treated like a leper, more or less, and for that reason, she chose to post a message in the District Weekender.

Nonsense. The church was supposed to be closed. Someone forgot to do it. The priest came to get the job done. The ladies would have been shooed out whether they were Methodists or Catholics or Atheists. The church was supposed to be closed. Who knows why? Perhaps it was due to be cleaned; perhaps there was going to be a special mass (funeral, wedding) and the church needed to be prepared; perhaps people in prior years HAD come into church to eat their lunch. Your poor lady is overreacting. The priest was probably a boor, but so might you be if someone hadn’t done what they were supposed to do. If the seating was a problem, the Christmas bazaar people are at fault. They should have made sure there was sufficient seating for all the people who had to wait.

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It is indeed sad, Ce Ce. That lady was quite understandably upset. There were many articles printed in the Weekender concerning this lack of courtesy on the part of that priest. I hear the lady is so miffed she will not bother going back to their sale next year. and she and her friends have been doing so for years up to this point.

What a mountain out of a molehill!

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Elaine, we could say the same thing about you. What was your reason for posting this article. Could it have been to stir up trouble, knowing that Catholics read and post in here? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The fact that the woman in question and friends decide not to go back to the sale next year is entirely their business and is solely their decision. I never said it wasn’t, madam. A Blessed Christmas to Everyone Linda Yeah, right. as long as everyone agrees with you. Well THIS Christian does not. In more ways than one. Have a pleasant day, and a pleasant Christmas, Linda. I’ll still continue to wish my estranged brother the very best regardless of your attitude. May God bless you both.

There you go lying again. You are adding to what she said. Are you that hate filled Elaine. I really feel sorry for you. To be so hate filled, that you have to blame others for your problems. Do you even stop to think for one minute, that maybe your brother doesn’t want to have any contact with you because of your attitude. Your brother married Linda, and it is his wife. You should be happy for them both. But I do not see happiness in your replies to her. You are still blaming her for what happened. Where it could have been just as much as your fault Elaine. What do you think she is doing, stopping your brother from contacting you. I am sorry, I don’t see that happening. You really need to get over this hate, and fill your life with love. I will pray for you. Pray that God will remove this hatred that is harbored inside of you. And before you even say it is none of my business, you made it everyone’s business, when you posted your answer above. May God remove the hatred you harbor inside of you.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wrote the following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : So, readers, those of you who will try to label me a liar. go ahead – call the phone numbers I posted, and check it out for yourself as to what plight those ladies found themselves in. For reasons of their personal privacy, I am not naming them here, but the name of the paper is The District Weekender. You’re right Elaine, that never should have happened. Although I can truthfully say that I am not a bit surprised. It’s a typical response. I have seen similar things before. It’s sad. CeCe — It is indeed sad, Ce Ce. That lady was quite understandably upset. There were many articles printed in the Weekender concerning this lack of courtesy on the part of that priest. I hear the lady is so miffed she will not bother going back to their sale next year. and she and her friends have been doing so for years up to this point I don’t think that two letters to the editor by the woman in question, responses by two other people in defense of their priest constitutes "many articles". In fact the woman’s second letter was described to me (by a Baptist who is a member of your church) much as a petulant child might write. I note your letter was never published. The fact that the woman in question and friends decide not to go back to the sale next year is entirely their business and is solely their decision. A Blessed Christmas to Everyone Linda

Tell us Linda, what kind of a monster is that siter-in-law bitch of yours? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : wrote the following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : So, readers, those of you who will try to label me a liar. go ahead – call the phone numbers I posted, and check it out for yourself as to what plight those ladies found themselves in. For reasons of their personal privacy, I am not naming them here, but the name of the paper is The District Weekender. You’re right Elaine, that never should have happened. Although I can truthfully say that I am not a bit surprised. It’s a typical response. I have seen similar things before. It’s sad. CeCe — It is indeed sad, Ce Ce. That lady was quite understandably upset. There were many articles printed in the Weekender concerning this lack of courtesy on the part of that priest. I hear the lady is so miffed she will not bother going back to their sale next year. and she and her friends have been doing so for years up to this point I don’t think that two letters to the editor by the woman in question, responses by two other people in defense of their priest constitutes "many articles". In fact the woman’s second letter was described to me (by a Baptist who is a member of your church) much as a petulant child might write. I note your letter was never published. They claimed they ran out of room, plus they had one ‘pro’ and one ‘con’ regarding the rude actions of that priest. It might be published next weekend, or might not be, who knows? And what is your purpose in posting this? To stir up more dissent as usual?

read in a long time. You might want to go to your Bible, Elaine, and read the part about attending to the beam in your own eye before talking about the mote in someone else’s. LMAO!!!! -Tony — For fairly troll free Catholic discussion, join on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romancatholic/ "it is all too easy for human beings to prooftext their way into hell." — James R. Black.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Usenet News’Froups! : Oh brother… Let’s attack the entire Catholic faith because one human being behaved poorly. No one of any other faith ever behaves poorly. James That’s true, James, but we also must take into consideration that these were two elderly ladies who were simply SITTING QUIETLY in a pew bench. They were not ‘talking inappropriately’, nor were they vandalizing the place. They were not doing anything BUT sitting down. BIG DEAL. Would the Lord have tossed them out? Hardly. For that priest to say what he did to them was disgusting, and TOTALLY uncalled-for. If a person worships the Lord at home, then that home becomes the sanctuary, right? WHEREVER a person worships, it becomes the sanctuary. So- if a person comes to their home and goes to sit down, should the homeowner toss them out? Hardly.

It was the priest I was referring to as behaving poorly not the old ladies. When I was a child growing up in Philadelphia you could count on any church, even in the worst of neighborhoods, being open and unlocked all the time. And generally you would find someone inside praying no matter the time of day or night. My parish did not even have working locks on the doors. unfortunately, in the modern era, crime mandates that churches lock up. The priest was doing his job, buy he did it poorly. Maybe he was agitated because he had just finished reading this newsgroup. James

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Oh brother… Let’s attack the entire Catholic faith because one human being behaved poorly. No one of any other faith ever behaves poorly. James

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This should NEVER happen….. On November 22nd, a lady in Gravenhurst went with a friend of hers to the annual Christmas bazaar and luncheon, held at the St.Paul’s Roman Catholic church. It was not her fist visit, as she had gone there previouslyover some years, and always enjoyed herself. This year, she was treated like a leper, more or less, and for that reason, she chose to post a message in the District Weekender. Anyone wishing to label me a ‘liar’ as they often try unsuccessfully to do, may call 705-646-8771 or 705-687-6674 to confirm the article, entitled "Churches should be open to all" This lady has a serious back problem, and was hoping to sit down without too long a standing period. Having a bad back myself, I can not only sympathize, but empathize. So, the lady and her friend sat in the church sanctuary until (they hoped) a table was made available. They succeeded in sitting there for only ten quiet minutes. In walked the priest, who declared, "You are not allowed to be in here!" The ladies both tried to explain their predicament, and the crude reply was :"People might come in here and eat their lunch…" He then ushered both ladies to the door, and locked the sanctuary behind him. I spoke with this lady’s husband, who admits his wife was not only shocked, but exptremely disappointed that anyone would treat his wife and friend so shabbily. It is not the first time I have heard of this kind of thing occurring, and I told him so. His wife posted the information into the Weekender in hopes of opening some eyes that people should not be treated in such a degrading manner. These people are Methodists, and they both agree that an extremely POOR example was set that day by that priest. The lady said she believes that, while a church cannot be left unlocked 24-7, because of chances of vandalism, a church SHOULD be open for anyone to enter, regardless of denomination, to pray, or simply sit in peace and quiet. This writer is in full agreement with her. "Surely", she said, "when there is an event going on, the church should be left open." So, readers, those of you who will try to label me a liar. go ahead – call the phone numbers I posted, and check it out for yourself as to what plight those ladies found themselves in. For reasons of their personal privacy, I am not naming them here, but the name of the paper is The District Weekender. You’re right Elaine, that never should have happened. Although I can truthfully say that I am not a bit surprised. It’s a typical response. I have seen similar things before. It’s sad. CeCe — I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us

with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – –Galileo Galilei

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wrote the following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : So, readers, those of you who will try to label me a liar. go ahead – call the phone numbers I posted, and check it out for yourself as to what plight those ladies found themselves in. For reasons of their personal privacy, I am not naming them here, but the name of the paper is The District Weekender. You’re right Elaine, that never should have happened. Although I can truthfully say that I am not a bit surprised. It’s a typical response. I have seen similar things before. It’s sad. CeCe — It is indeed sad, Ce Ce. That lady was quite understandably upset. There were many articles printed in the Weekender concerning this lack of courtesy on the part of that priest. I hear the lady is so miffed she will not bother going back to their sale next year. and she and her friends have been doing so for years up to this point

I don’t think that two letters to the editor by the woman in question, responses by two other people in defense of their priest constitutes "many articles". In fact the woman’s second letter was described to me (by a Baptist who is a member of your church) much as a petulant child might write. I note your letter was never published. The fact that the woman in question and friends decide not to go back to the sale next year is entirely their business and is solely their decision. A Blessed Christmas to Everyone Linda

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Have to repost that one again.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Repost wrote the following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : So, readers, those of you who will try to label me a liar. go ahead – call the phone numbers I posted, and check it out for yourself as to what plight those ladies found themselves in. For reasons of their personal privacy, I am not naming them here, but the name of the paper is The District Weekender. You’re right Elaine, that never should have happened. Although I can truthfully say that I am not a bit surprised. It’s a typical response. I have seen similar things before. It’s sad. CeCe — It is indeed sad, Ce Ce. That lady was quite understandably upset. There were many articles printed in the Weekender concerning this lack of courtesy on the part of that priest. I hear the lady is so miffed she will not bother going back to their sale next year. and she and her friends have been doing so for years up to this point.

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And a third time, in case you missed it.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have to repost that one again. Repost wrote the following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : So, readers, those of you who will try to label me a liar. go ahead – call the phone numbers I posted, and check it out for yourself as to what plight those ladies found themselves in. For reasons of their personal privacy, I am not naming them here, but the name of the paper is The District Weekender. You’re right Elaine, that never should have happened. Although I can truthfully say that I am not a bit surprised. It’s a typical response. I have seen similar things before. It’s sad. CeCe — It is indeed sad, Ce Ce. That lady was quite understandably upset. There were many articles printed in the Weekender concerning this lack of courtesy on the part of that priest. I hear the lady is so miffed she will not bother going back to their sale next year. and she and her friends have been doing so for years up to this point.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This should NEVER happen….. On November 22nd, a lady in Gravenhurst went with a friend of hers to the annual Christmas bazaar and luncheon, held at the St.Paul’s Roman Catholic church. It was not her fist visit, as she had gone there previouslyover some years, and always enjoyed herself. This year, she was treated like a leper, more or less, and for that reason, she chose to post a message in the District Weekender. Anyone wishing to label me a ‘liar’ as they often try unsuccessfully to do, may call 705-646-8771 or 705-687-6674 to confirm the article, entitled "Churches should be open to all" This lady has a serious back problem, and was hoping to sit down without too long a standing period. Having a bad back myself, I can not only sympathize, but empathize. So, the lady and her friend sat in the church sanctuary until (they hoped) a table was made available. They succeeded in sitting there for only ten quiet minutes. In walked the priest, who declared, "You are not allowed to be in here!" The ladies both tried to explain their predicament, and the crude reply was :"People might come in here and eat their lunch…" He then ushered both ladies to the door, and locked the sanctuary behind him. I spoke with this lady’s husband, who admits his wife was not only shocked, but exptremely disappointed that anyone would treat his wife and friend so shabbily. It is not the first time I have heard of this kind of thing occurring, and I told him so. His wife posted the information into the Weekender in hopes of opening some eyes that people should not be treated in such a degrading manner. These people are Methodists, and they both agree that an extremely POOR example was set that day by that priest. The lady said she believes that, while a church cannot be left unlocked 24-7, because of chances of vandalism, a church SHOULD be open for anyone to enter, regardless of denomination, to pray, or simply sit in peace and quiet. This writer is in full agreement with her. "Surely", she said, "when there is an event going on, the church should be left open." So, readers, those of you who will try to label me a liar. go ahead – call the phone numbers I posted, and check it out for yourself as to what plight those ladies found themselves in. For reasons of their personal privacy, I am not naming them here, but the name of the paper is The District Weekender.

You’re right Elaine, that never should have happened. Although I can truthfully say that I am not a bit surprised. It’s a typical response. I have seen similar things before. It’s sad. CeCe — I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. –Galileo Galilei

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes x-no-archive:yes in these here little old Usenet News’FROUPS: Outrageous! Shocking! Hang the priest! Burn down the Church! But use a thread and an empty lighter, because doc can make a mountain out of a molehill. BAM You call such blatant rudeness making a mountain out of a molehill, bam-bam? Would you feel the same way about this if one of the ladies treated sho rudely was your own mother? You waste key-strokes, Elaine. bam is another who blindly, deafly, coldly defends Rome even when they rape little boys.

Rome hasn’t raped anyone.. Individuals did… and they have been punished where possible. When God says "don’t prohibit marriage" and man defies God, man gets in trouble every time.

And marriage isn’t prohibited…

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News’Froups! : Snipped the hatefilled true point of Elaine’s rant – her ignorance and hatred of the fact that we accept Jesus AT HIS WORD. No, you don’t.

Sure I do… You try to invent things Jesus never said, and you expect real Christians elsewhere to believe those lies.

Nope. I do not invent things that Jesus did not say. I have never invented something and claimed Jesus said it. I trust Jesus at His Word.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes x-no-archive:yes in these here little old Usenet News’FROUPS: Willy Normeyer bellowed: Yes, the Sanctuary was closed off… I know many Churches that close that off – there are valuable items in their – musical instruments, artwork, etc. And of course, the richest church/business on the planet can’t afford to replace a stolen candlestick! LOL! John W The POINT IS, those ladies were simply SITTING QUIETLY. They were not rampaging the building, or rummaging through the statues, etc in the sanctuary. So they were sitting down- big deal! what do the roman catholics do every time they chant their ‘mass’? They eat baked, embossed wafers that they are brainwashed into imagining turns into Christ’s actual FLESH….. and they drink wine that they are told to believe changes into His blood. So— who was actually doing the eating and drinking in there? My point EXACTLY. Chris has listed half-a-dozen"What its", as reasons to not allow people in the sanctuary — God’s House."

But they weren’t coming to pray, John… had that been the case, the situation would be different. Yes, I’ve provided half a dozen "what if’s" that’s because, as usual, the full story hasn’t been told. We’ve heard one side. So, there are a variety of reasons why the sanctuary would not have been open at the time.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – News’Froups! : ";o)" < wrote (in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic): what do the roman catholics do every time they chant their ‘mass’? They eat baked, embossed wafers that they are brainwashed into imagining turns into Christ’s actual FLESH….. and they drink wine that they are told to believe changes into His blood. And the true intent of your original post now comes out… Not at all- my true intent was to point out how rude that priest was in making thoase two ladies leave. Ge then added insult to injury by treating them like small children, and locking the door behind them.

Locked to prevent further wanderings by others. Apparently that door was SUPPOSED to be locked. OR, perhaps he had opened the door to go through himself, and it was unlocked. they then opened the door after he went through… You see, Elaine… there is MUCH more to this story than you claim.

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Actually, the people were chased out because the doors to the meeting area were open. And, by happenstance, the meeting rooms are in the same building as the Sanctuary. That does not mean the Sanctuary was open at the time. Just as the doors to the restrooms on the far end of the building may have been locked, and the doors to the janitorial closet, the rectory, the business office, and various other parts. All she and her friend were doing ? SITTING QUIETLY. My point, EXACTLY!

But not sitting where the dinner was being held. Not sitting in the part of the Church that had been opened for the day…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes x-no-archive:yes ";o)" < wrote (in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic): what do the roman catholics do every time they chant their ‘mass’? They eat baked, embossed wafers that they are brainwashed into imagining turns into Christ’s actual FLESH….. and they drink wine that they are told to believe changes into His blood. And the true intent of your original post now comes out… Not at all. She is speaking thus because Roman Catholic challenged a news story. I’d bet my last dollar that when Christ returns, and He begins correcting the Roman Catholics, they’ll argue.

You’d lose your bet. But then, that’s not surprising. You really know nothing about Catholicism, John.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes x-no-archive:yes here little old Usenet News’FROUPS: I can afford to replace a great many things in my house. Does that mean I should leave it open for thieves? Please be logical, or at least reasonable John. I have come to the conclusion that for BOTH of you, that is impossible, willy Nordmeyer. The topic of theft was not the issue. Actually, yes it is… But hatefilled people such as you don’t pay attention. John mentioned that the Church surely can afford to replace a few candlesticks. The lady even admitted that certainly she did not expect that the All she and her friend were doing ? SITTING QUIETLY. But what the story doesn’t say is how they got to the sanctuary – did they go through some closed doors? Perhaps ignore signs that said please go this way, etc? The priest in question was bot rude and arrogant. And like I said, this should NEVER happen. According to one side of the story, yes, he was. And if that’s accurate, he certainly should have approached them in a better way. BUT, on the other hand, he was within reasonable rights to not have the sanctuary in use – it’s not appropriate to eat in there, Depends on the church. I’ve known of both attitudes. I last worshipped in the Covenant church. I asked a young woman, a high schooler, if I could eat or drink water in the sanctuary during the service! I badly needed to hydrate. She said, "Sure! We eat in there all the time!" A better statement would be "In Catholic churches, it’s not considered appropriate to eat in the sanctuary."

Actually, no that wouldn’t be appropriate, since I’ve been in more than just Catholic Churches John. And I wonder if the homes in Jerusalem were sufficient to have 500 worshippers in the upper room eating lunch, and then they were moved to another huge room or downstairs or next door or across the square to ANOTHER home for services?

Who cares… This isn’t Jerusalem. Makes no sense, and the Bible says merely that they met in private homes, in upper rooms (typically the largest room of the house) to break and worship. And with some of the wealthier Christians, like Martha, their homes were HUGE, their "upper rooms" "cavernous". I can’t give a reference, but I seem to recall several services at Martha’s home and the homes of others who were not named, and those services included THOUSANDS of believers.

So what? and if a few people sit waiting, then a few others may come and sit to eat, others may bring their children and allow them to run around, possibly hurting themselves, others yet may come and damage the sanctuary for malicious reasons. So prohibit private worship for 5 or 6 "What-ifs", as if God needs our help to protect His "Holy of Holies". Of course, even Christians know that God is actually a "weeny" who cannot defend Himself or His sanctuary alone.

But there wasn’t private worship going on, John. Don’t go there… Of course God can protect the sanctuary, God can protect ANYTHING… but does that mean we should unlock every Church 24 hours a day and not be on guard ourselves??? (forgive me anyone who is offended/forgive me, Lord, if I have offended You) With the notable exception if I’ve offended Roman Catholics, who I mean to offend into reality.

We are in reality, John. Your lies about our faith just offend us. And I continue to say, Chris, that your beliefs are dictated, and not anything you have learned from The Rule Book, the Bible. And your beliefs are typically shallow.

Actually, my beliefs are based in the Bible. You may disagree with the interpretation, but you lie when you say they aren’t based in the Bible. Given your posts, you clearly know nothing of my beliefs. So you saying that is just more offensive lying about me… please stop.

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If the church is closed at 4 AM, fine. Lock the outer doors. However, if the outer doors are not locked, neither should the sanctuary be locked. If the Church is open for meetings in the meeting area, why not provide some security to ensure that, while meetings are going on in one area, vandals and thieves don’t come in and steal/damage/destroy items in another?

A church I visited recently was locked. However there was a notice saying who held keys so access was easy. It makes sense to protect the buildings and contents, but there should also be free access for those who wish. — Alan "Ferrit" Ferris ()’.’.’() ( (T) ) ( ) . ( ) (")_(")

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wrote the following funny stuff in Usenet News’Froups! : What should never happen is you getting on the internet, Elaine. Why don’t you smash your modem with a hammer. -Tony Whassamaddah, Tony baby? Can’t stand to SEE THE TRUTH again?

Naw, we get to laugh and point and see what happens when mommy doesn’t watch the computer too closely. Don’t hold your breath, sweety – Im on the internet to stay as long as God, the REAL Holy Father enables me.

You’re making the baby Jesus cry, Elaine. You object? Killfile me.

Are you kidding and miss all the comic relief of watching you rant, rave, drool and dance around. Never. The thing is, I have met many Baptists. As a matter of fact, one of my best friends in college is a Baptist. I don’t judge all Baptists from you. You are simply a nutcase. Elaine, you really should continue to take the meds even if you feel normal. It’s important. -Tony — For fairly troll free Catholic discussion, join on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romancatholic/ "it is all too easy for human beings to prooftext their way into hell." — James R. Black.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes x-no-archive:yes x-no-archive:yes x-no-archive:yes This should NEVER happen….. On November 22nd, a lady in Gravenhurst went with a friend of hers to the annual Christmas bazaar and luncheon, held at the St.Paul’s Roman Catholic church. It was not her fist visit, as she had gone there previouslyover some years, and always enjoyed herself. This year, she was treated like a leper, more or less, and for that reason, she chose to post a message in the District Weekender. Anyone wishing to label me a ‘liar’ as they often try unsuccessfully to do, may call 705-646-8771 or 705-687-6674 to confirm the article, entitled "Churches should be open to all" Does your Church have a lock on the doors? Every Church – Catholic, Protestant, non-Denominational, etc. that I’ve EVER been to has locks on the doors. Security REQUIRES responsibility these days Elaine. If the church is closed at 4 AM, fine. Lock the outer doors. However, if the outer doors are not locked, neither should the sanctuary be locked. If the Church is open for meetings in the meeting area, why not provide some security to ensure that, while meetings are going on in one area, vandals and thieves don’t come in and steal/damage/destroy items in another? It’s where people want to go to pray and feel close to God, although I can’t comprehend how anyone feels close to God in the middle of a dozen idols. There are no idols in a Catholic Church John. Only because you have re-defined "idol".

Nope. The Bible definition, which I go by, is "carved ("graven" ) image of man or beast. The huge statue of St Jude in front of the St Jude hospital in Los Angeles is an idol.

Then, by your defintion (which is not exactly the Biblical definition) Solomon put idols in the Temple. Snipped the rest, since Scripture itself refutes your definition of ‘idol’.

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Anyone wishing to label me a ‘liar’ as they often try unsuccessfully to do, may call 705-646-8771 or 705-687-6674 to confirm the article, entitled "Churches should be open to all"

Paper Name Location Telephone Email – Web Site Bracebridge Examiner Bracebridge 705-645-8771 Gravenhurst Banner Gravenhurst 705-687-6674 Called, no such article.

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Ignorant! When God says "don’t prohibit marriage" and man defies God, man gets in trouble every time.

Your stupidity is overwhelming! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -John W

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Get a clue and stop chopping up the Bible the way you see fit. Opps!….you left the part out in exodus that say’s: And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18?20). David gave Solomon the plan "for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18?19). David?s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was "by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all," included statues of angels. Similarly Ezekiel 41:17?18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, "On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim." The huge – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -statue of St Jude in front of the St Jude hospital in Los Angeles is an idol. And I have been to probably a dozen Roman Catholic edifices in my 57 years, and I’ve yet to see one that wasn’t STUFFED with idols (huge images of "saints") I keep wondering, if those are images of "saints", where is the one dedicated to ME? *I’m* a saint! You certainly had no objection to the Catholic Church when they GAVE you two Thanksgiving dinners. I never said they don’t do charitable work. I saw a TV News program the other day in which the Hells Angels were taking up collections for Toys for Tots for Christmas, the one NOTABLE charity the Hell’s Angels gang is involved in. Does that mean Hell’s Angels are going to heaven? no! One was interviewed and asked why they participate. I hear the same "PR" answer every time. "Well, we’re all parents, we all love kids in our own way, and can you imagine ANYONE refusing to contribute when there’s a $75,000 chopped Harley sitting there and I’m covered head to toes in tatoos? They don’t DARE say no! Plus, we’ve found people give more when there’s a Hell’s Angel standing there, and the guy we’re asking is shaking so hard he’s about to mess his drawers in fear." And why is Rome so intent on charity work? To draw more people into the Roman cult! Yes, I accepted their dinners. Freely offered, freely received. But if you read your bible sometimes, it says God uses Satan to do God’s work. Do you think the fall wasn’t part of God’s plan? He used Satan to tempt man into sinning. Perhaps you should not now be so hypocritical and condemning the very had that so recently fed you – and fed you at NO charge. Asked NOTHING of you… They asked nothing; they shall receive no more than a "thank you." Which I gave. Freely. The sanctuary doesn’t belong to men, or to the "church", Never said it did. As I just told Cathy, there is NO point in us even discussing the issues, Chris. I’ve tried to be nice to you, but you, like Cathy, are so steeped in Rome that you can’t even figure out the Bible for yourself. So we can’t even agree on the rules for discussion or debate. And by now YOU of all people know that I believe it is sinful to debate the Bible. Paul did it; no success. He went to Athens to debate the philosophers (you know, like Socrates, Plato, Aristotle; I have NO idea who his contemporaries were in Athens) And if you read between the lines, not only was Paul’s gospel message rejected, he was laughed out of town. even though Rome happens to be the single richest church in the world, but the single richest BUSINESS in the world. Why? Perhaps because it’s the oldest Christian denomination with many great works of art that, at the time, cost almost nothing, but are now recognized as priceless works of art? That could be why… Sistine Chapel is a great example of that… I have no objection to native art, like the Sistine Chapel. I DO object to the last calculation the economists did, which says that Rome is the richest organization of ANY kind on the planet. "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth… but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven…" We haven’t… If you haven’t, why is the HUGE basement vault inaccessible to the world, and known to house MUCH stolen art (from Hitler) The Church is also about the largest GIVER as well. That would mean that they’ be giving more, until their vaults were EMPTY, not hoarding it. I guess Rome doesn’t believe in "go, and sell all that you own, and give the money away, and THEN come follow!" I guess that’s another command Rome canceled, eh? Nope. And you have just proved that nothing penetrates. My point entirely. IF it doesn’t come to you stamped OFFICIAL ROMAN DOGMA, you stamp "ignore, reject, ignore, reject, ignore, reject." So why do you even bother me? It’s a total waste of time to even interact with you. We can’t even agree on the same rule book! John W

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – in these here little old Usenet News’FROUPS: Willy Normeyer bellowed: Yes, the Sanctuary was closed off… I know many Churches that close that off – there are valuable items in their – musical instruments, artwork, etc. And of course, the richest church/business on the planet can’t afford to replace a stolen candlestick! LOL! John W The POINT IS, those ladies were simply SITTING QUIETLY. They were not rampaging the building, or rummaging through the statues, etc in the sanctuary. So they were sitting down- big deal!

Yep… Snipped the hatefilled true point of Elaine’s rant – her ignorance and hatred of the fact that we accept Jesus AT HIS WORD.

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here little old Usenet News’FROUPS: LOL and you named them elsewhwere. Typica I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU, liar. i did not NAME THEM ANYWHERE. This is the first post I made about the incident, and thus far, the ONLY ONE:

My apologies, I thought you had a very similar thread in the Baptist newsgroup that was not crossposted. And had named them in there.

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";o)" < wrote (in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic): what do the roman catholics do every time they chant their ‘mass’? They eat baked, embossed wafers that they are brainwashed into imagining turns into Christ’s actual FLESH….. and they drink wine that they are told to believe changes into His blood.

And the true intent of your original post now comes out… — God Bless, Michael

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – here little old Usenet News’FROUPS: I can afford to replace a great many things in my house. Does that mean I should leave it open for thieves? Please be logical, or at least reasonable John. I have come to the conclusion that for BOTH of you, that is impossible, willy Nordmeyer. The topic of theft was not the issue.

Actually, yes it is… But hatefilled people such as you don’t pay attention. John mentioned that the Church surely can afford to replace a few candlesticks. The lady even admitted that certainly she did not expect that the All she and her friend were doing ? SITTING QUIETLY.

But what the story doesn’t say is how they got to the sanctuary – did they go through some closed doors? Perhaps ignore signs that said please go this way, etc? The priest in question was bot rude and arrogant. And like I said, this should NEVER happen.

According to one side of the story, yes, he was. And if that’s accurate, he certainly should have approached them in a better way. BUT, on the other hand, he was within reasonable rights to not have the sanctuary in use – it’s not appropriate to eat in there, and if a few people sit waiting, then a few others may come and sit to eat, others may bring their children and allow them to run around, possibly hurting themselves, others yet may come and damage the sanctuary for malicious reasons.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes x-no-archive:yes This should NEVER happen….. Does your Church have locks on the door Elaine? Do you just open the doors and let anyone in anytime? Furthermore, Elaine, did your Church open their doors during Canada’s Thanksgiving and host a luncheon as that Catholic Church did? Leave it to hatefilled people such as yourself to find something to complain about even in the face of providing free lunches to those who need it. Yes, the Sanctuary was closed off… I know many Churches that close that off – there are valuable items in their – musical instruments, artwork, etc. And of course, the richest church/business on the planet can’t afford to replace a stolen candlestick! LOL!

I can afford to replace a great many things in my house. Does that mean I should leave it open for thieves? Please be logical, or at least reasonable John.

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This should NEVER happen…..

What should never happen is you getting on the internet, Elaine. Why don’t you smash your modem with a hammer. -Tony — For fairly troll free Catholic discussion, join on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romancatholic/ "it is all too easy for human beings to prooftext their way into hell." — James R. Black.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU, liar. i did not NAME THEM ANYWHERE. This is the first post I made about the incident, and thus far, the ONLY ONE: This should NEVER happen….. On November 22nd, a lady in Gravenhurst went with a friend of hers to the annual Christmas bazaar and luncheon, held at the St.Paul’s Roman Catholic church. It was not her fist visit, as she had gone there previouslyover some years, and always enjoyed herself. This year, she was treated like a leper, more or less, and for that reason, she chose to post a message in the District Weekender. Anyone wishing to label me a ‘liar’ as they often try unsuccessfully to do, may call 705-646-8771 or 705-687-6674 to confirm the article, entitled "Churches should be open to all"

Wildflower Antiques & Goods, 3 Manitoba St, Bracebridge, ON, P1L 1S4, 705-646-8771 Warning: It is possible that Elaine works at that antiques shop. I think they have an antique collection of AVON bottles for sale. (‘Nous AVONs des bouteilles

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