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The idea that Wales is under armed occupation is not a very widely held one.
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The idea that Wales is under armed occupation is not a very widely held one.
Except, perhaps, by the Welsh. See also other posts in this thread. — Lorrie — I believe in everything; nothing is sacred. I believe in nothing; everything is sacred. — Tom Robbins, _Even_Cowgirls_Get_the-Blues_
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The idea that Wales is under armed occupation is not a very widely held one. Except, perhaps, by the Welsh. See also other posts in this thread. — Lorrie
Considering the welsh have just had their own referendum to see if they wanted their own parliment like Scotland, and turned it down, I dont see how your argument that wales is under armed occupation holds water. — NOTICE: This e-mail address is being spoofed on USENET. Obvious trolls and needlessly incendiary remarks should be ignored. All authentic messages from this address will bear this disclaimer, although spoofed messages may as well. The ‘Old Craft’ lady http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/
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Considering the welsh have just had their own referendum to see if they wanted their own parliment like Scotland, and turned it down, I dont see how your argument that wales is under armed occupation holds water.
Actually, Wales narrowly approved its referendum. But don’t let mere facts influence your opinions. -Scott O.
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Shez wrote… Considering the welsh have just had their own referendum to see if they wanted their own parliment like Scotland, and turned it down, I dont see how your argument that wales is under armed occupation holds water.
I thought the voted YES for a parliment by 50.1% to 49.9% ? — Tixy ( real e-mail address is "tixy" at "cajji" dot "clara" dot "net" )
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Considering the welsh have just had their own referendum to see if they wanted their own parliment like Scotland, and turned it down, I dont see how your argument that wales is under armed occupation holds water.
Oh, wasn’t my argument, was just pointing folks to other places in the thread. I’m not there, my opinion is not informed. — Lorrie — I believe in everything; nothing is sacred. I believe in nothing; everything is sacred. — Tom Robbins, _Even_Cowgirls_Get_the-Blues_
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Today, our Native English words like "fuck" and "shit" are still called "a sign of a weak vocabulary." Even we pagans discussing things on soc.religion.paganism still have to use the Latin words of the Roman Catholic Church. Sheeeesh!
What is the latin and irish gaelic for fuck and shit? – Peggy – MOD: Might want to change the header on this. Marjorie
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Considering the welsh have just had their own referendum to see if they wanted their own parliment like Scotland, and turned it down, I dont see how your argument that wales is under armed occupation holds water. Actually, Wales narrowly approved its referendum. But don’t let mere facts influence your opinions.
shez is english. the english always have their own little way of looking at things. josh
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Shez wrote… Considering the welsh have just had their own referendum to see if they wanted their own parliment like Scotland, and turned it down, I dont see how your argument that wales is under armed occupation holds water. I thought the voted YES for a parliment by 50.1% to 49.9% ?
this is fucking great. free wales! josh
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Actually some restraint is a good thing…profanity is just the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could be the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could also be a sign that the person has chosen the word they did because that’s the best expressed what they mean. There are contexts when "fuck" is more accurate than "sexual intercourse."
True, but I can forsee little occasion for the use of profanity in an intellecutal (sorry for spelling) discussion of religious beliefs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Jackie Patti http://www.instatek.com/nlp/
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…but almost certainly, it is otherwise. Come ON, Zardoz, you know what is being referred to, you’re just being disingenuous. When someone uses "shit" as a generic noun and "fuck" as a generic verb of disparagement or disgust in all their speech, as many do, it IS a sign of a weak vocabulary, plain and simple. When someone’s speech is heavily strewn with usages such as, "I’ve got a lot of shit to do," "Fuck this, I’m going home," "You can leave your shit over there," "This is completely fucked up," "There’s shit strewn all over the lab," "I told him to fuck off," "There’s some shit in the refrigerator if you’re hungry," "We were just fucking around," and so on, they’re NOT doing anything nearly so conscious and thought-out as "us[ing] [their] native pagan English language instead of the imposed Latin of the occupation". They just have a poor vocabulary, and are beating one noun and one verb to death.
I just couldn’t help noticing the incessant use of the verb ‘to be’ in your post. I personally don’t think the regular use of a word is an indicator for vocabular abilities, but someone who does may find 7 instances (which is almost the same amount given in your lengthy example) a bit much…. Ok, sarcam to one side for a moment, how can the use of one word indicate lack of the ability to use another? Just because one word has a more popular usage, doesn’t mean the other words are beyond current comprehension. The so-called ‘native pagan english’ can denote emotions that few words can, and in a way that no other words can. If you were to take away Fuck (the single most usefull word in the English laguage…it can be used in every word form English has, except maybe pronoun [but that's debateable]), there would be an entire family of emotions I would be incapable of exspressing. For instance, if I were to hit my thumb with a hammer, I would usually say "Ah FUCK that hurts!", not "I am experiencing a level of pain heretofor never experienced by man, beast, or diety!" simply because if I said the latter, people wouldn’t understand how much pain I’m in. When I scream out an explative <deleted, then I’m quickly and efficiently expressing my agony in a meaningful way. Anybody near me will know to stay away from me, cause I’ll be grumpy 8). At the very least, the social grade that _does_ lack any sort of vocabulary beyond ‘creative metaphors’ do a great job of keeping English alive with new words like ‘alot’ and ‘ain’t’ (which are both in the dictionary now…take THAT english teachers!). There’s no telling how long they can keep our gloriously creative language alive! Viva la Englesia! <—this sentece is a joke. Get it? Woody ‘yes, I’m aware I can’t spell 8)’ NaDobhar
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I generally say more than that. ;) — Jackie Patti http://www.instatek.com/nlp/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually some restraint is a good thing…profanity is just the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could be the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could also be a sign that the person has chosen the word they did because that’s the best expressed what they mean. There are contexts when "fuck" is more accurate than "sexual intercourse." One of the ways that armies of occupation overcome the culture of the occupied people is to destroy their native language. This is ongoing today in places as diverse as Ireland, Wales, and the Navajo Nation. In prior centuries the religious forces of occupation, those of the Roman Catholic Church demanded that "educated" people of western Europe use the Latin of "The Church" in "polite" speech. The native language of the commoners was relegated to "vulgar" talk. Only those who were not "acceptable" to the ones in power used Native English words, and they were especially adamant about words having to do with matters that The Church considered "sinful" or shameful, such as body parts or body functions. Today, our Native English words like "fuck" and "shit" are still called "a sign of a weak vocabulary." Even we pagans discussing things on soc.religion.paganism still have to use the Latin words of the Roman Catholic Church. Sheeeesh! It could be that the person prefers to use his native pagan English language instead of the imposed Latin of the occupation. …but almost certainly, it is otherwise. Come ON, Zardoz, you know what is being referred to, you’re just being disingenuous. When someone uses "shit" as a generic noun and "fuck" as a generic verb of disparagement or disgust in all their speech, as many do, it IS a sign of a weak vocabulary, plain and simple. When someone’s speech is heavily strewn with usages such as, "I’ve got a lot of shit to do," "Fuck this, I’m going home," "You can leave your shit over there," "This is completely fucked up," "There’s shit strewn all over the lab," "I told him to fuck off," "There’s some shit in the refrigerator if you’re hungry," "We were just fucking around," and so on, they’re NOT doing anything nearly so conscious and thought-out as "us[ing] [their] native pagan English language instead of the imposed Latin of the occupation". They just have a poor vocabulary, and are beating one noun and one verb to death.
My problem is with the word "just." It seems to me to imply that there is only one reason someone might engage in a particular behavior. I have not found that to be true about anything under the sun yet. Some people may use profanity because they have a limited vocabulary. Some people may use it because it expresses what they want to say. Some people may use it to piss someone off. Some people may use it to prove they’re liberated from all that nonsense about "bad" words. Some people may use it to excite a sexual partner. I’m sure there are reasons for using profanity that I have not thought of. The equivalence "profanity" = "poor vocabulary" strikes me as simplistic and as not fitting the evidence I have seen. The other evening, I had written much of a rather long post when my computer started to reboot itself all of a sudden. I said, "FUCK!?!!?" A few minutes later, I remember this thread and said, "SEXUAL It turns out that "FUCK!?!" was what I wanted to say. — Jackie Patti http://www.instatek.com/nlp/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One of the ways that armies of occupation overcome the culture of the occupied people is to destroy their native language. This is ongoing today in places as diverse as Ireland, Wales, and the Navajo Nation. In prior centuries the religious forces of occupation, those of the Roman Catholic Church demanded that "educated" people of western Europe use the Latin of "The Church" in "polite" speech. The native language of the commoners was relegated to "vulgar" talk. Only those who were not "acceptable" to the ones in power used Native English words, and they were especially adamant about words having to do with matters that The Church considered "sinful" or shameful, such as body parts or body functions. Today, our Native English words like "fuck" and "shit" are still called "a sign of a weak vocabulary." Even we pagans discussing things on soc.religion.paganism still have to use the Latin words of the Roman Catholic Church. Sheeeesh! It could be that the person prefers to use his native pagan English language instead of the imposed Latin of the occupation. Using words that refer to pleasurable and sacred activities as swear words degrades the sacred, even if the words are native English. We try to use native English words for their appropriate meaning whenever possible instead of the imposed Latin. It is one way of casting off the oppression of the Roman christian occupation. We also try not to use words that mean sacred sexual acts or natural body functions for swearing. Zardoz Greybeard
Ah, now I see where that other argument came from (sorry, it was way down at the bottum of my reader). Sorry, I can assure you that most people who regularly use such words as "fuck" and "shit" have no clue what you’re talking about and in no way are trying to use them to get back to their roots. This is a different society and, today in polite society, it is not uncommon to request that certain uses of the MODERN language (despite any claim of yours, that is what it now is) be refrained from as IN MODERN USAGE, they are considered offensive. It has nothing to do with the oppression of which you speak as most people aren’t even aware of that if it is true. As a frequent user of the formentioned words, your oppression argument doesn’t work. — Osiris The Fundamentalist http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1065 "Anyone who gives up a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither." All paths lead to some knowledge. The trick is knowing when it is time to leave the path and look in the woods. *If you reply and do not wish your e-mail address added to a monthly update address book, please tell me.*
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It could be the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could also be a sign that the person has chosen the word they did because that’s the best expressed what they mean. There are contexts when "fuck" is more accurate than "sexual intercourse." Yes, I, too, have smashed my thumb with a large hammer. 
Jim James C. Woodard http://home1.gte.net/gwyddon "Too many laws make scofflaws of all" Jim Woodard
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It could be the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could also be a sign that the person has chosen the word they did because that’s the best expressed what they mean. There are contexts when "fuck" is more accurate than "sexual intercourse." Yes, I, too, have smashed my thumb with a large hammer. Jim James C. Woodard http://home1.gte.net/gwyddon "Too many laws make scofflaws of all" Jim Woodard
Using swear words only very occasionaly makes an impact, especialy if you dont normaly swear. using them all the time, tends to distract from the conversation. and it leaves the listener wondering if the person using them realises that they are being judged as having a limited vocabulary , whether that is true or not. I find baby talk just as annoying, calling a posterior or behind, a hinny or tush, drives me mad. — NOTICE: This e-mail address is being spoofed on USENET. Obvious trolls and needlessly incendiary remarks should be ignored. All authentic messages from this address will bear this disclaimer, although spoofed messages may as well. The ‘Old Craft’ lady http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/
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It could be the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could also be a sign that the person has chosen the word they did because that’s the best expressed what they mean. There are contexts when "fuck" is more accurate than "sexual intercourse." Yes, I, too, have smashed my thumb with a large hammer. Jim James C. Woodard
I have found that I notice the pain from the hammer less when I spend the first few seconds cussing creatively. distraction, for me at least, is a wonderful thing. An 11 month-old son is doing a better job of cleaning up my language than my parents ever did. -elizabeth
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually some restraint is a good thing…profanity is just the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could be the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could also be a sign that the person has chosen the word they did because that’s the best expressed what they mean. There are contexts when "fuck" is more accurate than "sexual intercourse." One of the ways that armies of occupation overcome the culture of the occupied people is to destroy their native language. This is ongoing today in places as diverse as Ireland, Wales, and the Navajo Nation. In prior centuries the religious forces of occupation, those of the Roman Catholic Church demanded that "educated" people of western Europe use the Latin of "The Church" in "polite" speech. The native language of the commoners was relegated to "vulgar" talk. Only those who were not "acceptable" to the ones in power used Native English words, and they were especially adamant about words having to do with matters that The Church considered "sinful" or shameful, such as body parts or body functions. Today, our Native English words like "fuck" and "shit" are still called "a sign of a weak vocabulary." Even we pagans discussing things on soc.religion.paganism still have to use the Latin words of the Roman Catholic Church. Sheeeesh! It could be that the person prefers to use his native pagan English language instead of the imposed Latin of the occupation.
…but almost certainly, it is otherwise. Come ON, Zardoz, you know what is being referred to, you’re just being disingenuous. When someone uses "shit" as a generic noun and "fuck" as a generic verb of disparagement or disgust in all their speech, as many do, it IS a sign of a weak vocabulary, plain and simple. When someone’s speech is heavily strewn with usages such as, "I’ve got a lot of shit to do," "Fuck this, I’m going home," "You can leave your shit over there," "This is completely fucked up," "There’s shit strewn all over the lab," "I told him to fuck off," "There’s some shit in the refrigerator if you’re hungry," "We were just fucking around," and so on, they’re NOT doing anything nearly so conscious and thought-out as "us[ing] [their] native pagan English language instead of the imposed Latin of the occupation". They just have a poor vocabulary, and are beating one noun and one verb to death. — :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "They write books that contradict the rocks…"
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Silver Circle is an internet chat program which has as a goal to get the Internet Pagan and Wiccan community together to share ideas, knowledge, some good times and a few laughs. YASC. We are not a MUD (No roleplay) and unlike IRC, we have rules and regulations (no swearing, no harassement, etc..) ve must haff ORDER! go away, you extremely silly person. josh
Actually some restraint is a good thing…profanity is just the sign of a weak vocabulary.
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Actually some restraint is a good thing…profanity is just the sign of a weak vocabulary.
It could be the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could also be a sign that the person has chosen the word they did because that’s the best expressed what they mean. There are contexts when "fuck" is more accurate than "sexual intercourse." — Jackie Patti http://www.instatek.com/nlp/
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Actually some restraint is a good thing…profanity is just the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could be the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could also be a sign that the person has chosen the word they did because that’s the best expressed what they mean. There are contexts when "fuck" is more accurate than "sexual intercourse."
yeah, any time the sentence demands one syllable rather than five or six. that is, most times. josh
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Actually some restraint is a good thing…profanity is just the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could be the sign of a weak vocabulary. It could also be a sign that the person has chosen the word they did because that’s the best expressed what they mean. There are contexts when "fuck" is more accurate than "sexual intercourse."
One of the ways that armies of occupation overcome the culture of the occupied people is to destroy their native language. This is ongoing today in places as diverse as Ireland, Wales, and the Navajo Nation. In prior centuries the religious forces of occupation, those of the Roman Catholic Church demanded that "educated" people of western Europe use the Latin of "The Church" in "polite" speech. The native language of the commoners was relegated to "vulgar" talk. Only those who were not "acceptable" to the ones in power used Native English words, and they were especially adamant about words having to do with matters that The Church considered "sinful" or shameful, such as body parts or body functions. Today, our Native English words like "fuck" and "shit" are still called "a sign of a weak vocabulary." Even we pagans discussing things on soc.religion.paganism still have to use the Latin words of the Roman Catholic Church. Sheeeesh! It could be that the person prefers to use his native pagan English language instead of the imposed Latin of the occupation. Using words that refer to pleasurable and sacred activities as swear words degrades the sacred, even if the words are native English. We try to use native English words for their appropriate meaning whenever possible instead of the imposed Latin. It is one way of casting off the oppression of the Roman christian occupation. We also try not to use words that mean sacred sexual acts or natural body functions for swearing. Zardoz Greybeard
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Silver Circle is an internet chat program which has as a goal to get the Internet Pagan and Wiccan community together to share ideas, knowledge, some good times and a few laughs. We are not a MUD (No roleplay) and unlike IRC, we have rules and regulations (no swearing, no harassement, etc..) You can reach Silver Circle by pointing your telnet program to: talker.com 9191 If you require more information, please read the next article regarding Silver Circle or visit http://www.netrover.com/~lucg/silvercircle.html Sandman, Silver Circle Administrator Silver Circle, the talker, is in no way, shape or form connected or affiliated to any other organisation which may bare the same name — Sandman: Administrator & coder – Silver Circle telnet://sc.talker.com:9191 A safehaven chat program for Wiccans and Pagans Homepage: http://www.netrover.com/~lucg
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Silver Circle is an internet chat program which has as a goal to get the Internet Pagan and Wiccan community together to share ideas, knowledge, some good times and a few laughs.
YASC. We are not a MUD (No roleplay) and unlike IRC, we have rules and regulations (no swearing, no harassement, etc..)
ve must haff ORDER! go away, you extremely silly person. josh
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