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Only because of centuries of gifts from loyal Catholics, and the Church is also the biggest chartible organization in the world so whats your point? Pax – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It still has the treasure from the Roman Empire, stocks in many services like airports. and has money in banks all over the word. The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, welth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches then any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or stateof the whole globe I can’t let you get away with that one. According to Forbes Magazine, The Roman Catholic Church is down around #400 in world’s richest organizations, #50 for nonprofits. General Motors, United Way, and Bill Gates are ALL richer than the Roman Catholic Church. You seem to think that the Church has invested wisely for the last 1000 years or so, instead of just living off of the treasure collected before then. Ted No Saint today folks, but remember to wear green tomorrow! On emergency address, remove everything past .com…This will send to my cell phone, my work, and my home. http://www.teleport.com/~seebert/ Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.
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Only because of centuries of gifts from loyal Catholics, and the Church is also the biggest chartible organization in the world so whats your point?
Biggest yes. Richest, no. Ted – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pax It still has the treasure from the Roman Empire, stocks in many services like airports. and has money in banks all over the word. The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, welth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches then any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or stateof the whole globe I can’t let you get away with that one. According to Forbes Magazine, The Roman Catholic Church is down around #400 in world’s richest organizations, #50 for nonprofits. General Motors, United Way, and Bill Gates are ALL richer than the Roman Catholic Church. You seem to think that the Church has invested wisely for the last 1000 years or so, instead of just living off of the treasure collected before then. Ted No Saint today folks, but remember to wear green tomorrow! On emergency address, remove everything past .com…This will send to my cell phone, my work, and my home. http://www.teleport.com/~seebert/ Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.
On this day, the Feast Day of St. Patrick of Ireland http://www.catholic.org/saints/saints/patrick.html On emergency address, remove everything past .com…This will send to my cell phone, my work, and my home. http://www.teleport.com/~seebert/ Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d say the United Nations is a better fit. The Roman Catholic Church promotes, peace, unity, turing the other cheek, etc. The UN on the other hand, promotes death on a scale heretofore unknown in all of history, aided of course by our American tax dollars – the whore couldn’t do it without the US cash flow. It still has the treasure from the Roman Empire, stocks in many services like airports. and has money in banks all over the word. The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, welth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches then any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or stateof the whole globe
LOL! Where did you get that wooden nickel? Steve
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It still has the treasure from the Roman Empire, stocks in many services like airports. and has money in banks all over the word. The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, welth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches then any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or stateof the whole globe
I can’t let you get away with that one. According to Forbes Magazine, The Roman Catholic Church is down around #400 in world’s richest organizations, #50 for nonprofits. General Motors, United Way, and Bill Gates are ALL richer than the Roman Catholic Church. You seem to think that the Church has invested wisely for the last 1000 years or so, instead of just living off of the treasure collected before then. Ted No Saint today folks, but remember to wear green tomorrow! On emergency address, remove everything past .com…This will send to my cell phone, my work, and my home. http://www.teleport.com/~seebert/ Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.
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I’d say the United Nations is a better fit. The Roman Catholic Church promotes, peace, unity, turing the other cheek, etc. The UN on the other hand, promotes death on a scale heretofore unknown in all of history, aided of course by our American tax dollars – the whore couldn’t do it without the US cash flow.
It still has the treasure from the Roman Empire, stocks in many services like airports. and has money in banks all over the word. The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, welth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches then any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or stateof the whole globe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The antichrist reside in Washington. If ever there was a man owned by satan, it has to be Bill Clinton. Andrew Rev.17 ..Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgement of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters…I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast which carrieth her… here is wisdom, the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth..the waters…are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues… the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Is not Rome the "City of Seven Hills?" That’s just "one" more prophecy on top of ALL THE OTHERS that proves the Roman Church is of hell. Look it up in the Encyclopedia Americana or Britannica. No other city fits this prophecy. Care to see MORE FACTUAL EVIDENCE FOLKS? Stop by the site and read "The Second Window" as soon as possible! Or download it FREE and read it later. — Devastatingly accurate prophecies confirm Antichrist resides in Vatican! http://www.localline2.com/~nicholas/Truthpro.htm .-^~ Truth is truth. …Nicholas
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Are you saying it is Bill Clinton? I dont think so. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d say the United Nations is a better fit. The Roman Catholic Church promotes, peace, unity, turing the other cheek, etc. The UN on the other hand, promotes death on a scale heretofore unknown in all of history, aided of course by our American tax dollars – the whore couldn’t do it without the US cash flow. The antichrist reside in Washington. If ever there was a man owned by satan, it has to be Bill Clinton. Andrew Rev.17 ..Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgement of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters…I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast which carrieth her… here is wisdom, the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth..the waters…are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues… the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Is not Rome the "City of Seven Hills?" That’s just "one" more prophecy on top of ALL THE OTHERS that proves the Roman Church is of hell. Look it up in the Encyclopedia Americana or Britannica. No other city fits this prophecy. Care to see MORE FACTUAL EVIDENCE FOLKS? Stop by the site and read "The Second Window" as soon as possible! Or download it FREE and read it later. — Devastatingly accurate prophecies confirm Antichrist resides in Vatican! http://www.localline2.com/~nicholas/Truthpro.htm .-^ Truth is truth. …Nicholas
– Proverbs 3:6 "In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths."
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I’d say the United Nations is a better fit. The Roman Catholic Church promotes, peace, unity, turing the other cheek, etc. The UN on the other hand, promotes death on a scale heretofore unknown in all of history, aided of course by our American tax dollars – the whore couldn’t do it without the US cash flow. The antichrist reside in Washington. If ever there was a man owned by satan, it has to be Bill Clinton. Andrew
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rev.17 ..Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgement of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters…I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast which carrieth her… here is wisdom, the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth..the waters…are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues… the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Is not Rome the "City of Seven Hills?" That’s just "one" more prophecy on top of ALL THE OTHERS that proves the Roman Church is of hell. Look it up in the Encyclopedia Americana or Britannica. No other city fits this prophecy. Care to see MORE FACTUAL EVIDENCE FOLKS? Stop by the site and read "The Second Window" as soon as possible! Or download it FREE and read it later. — Devastatingly accurate prophecies confirm Antichrist resides in Vatican! http://www.localline2.com/~nicholas/Truthpro.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .-^~ Truth is truth. …Nicholas
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Given your lack of understanding of the symbolism in the Book of Revelation, your essay is logically correct. It’s just not factually correct.
That is what I am challenging you to do, prove factual error in the essay. For example, does "vatic" mean of prophecy or prophetic? Does Citta del Vaticano mean "City of Prophecy"? Has the Catholic Church portrayed itself for centuries as a woman holding a golden cup? Do Catholic hierarchy dress regularly in purple and scarlet? Is Rome a city known as the city of seven hills or mountains? If I do this at all, it will be to correct your false interpretation of the Book of Revelation, not to correct the errors in your logic.
Again, I am not interested in your proving the supposed infallibility of "official" Catholic interpretation, rather can you prove the factual information in my essay to be in error in any way? If you cannot prove any factual error, then I will let the reader judge the interpretation, and it will stand on its own merit according to the facts presented. Michael Scheifler What does the word Vatican mean? http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/vatican.htm
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You’re missing the whole point — people like you are wise in your own eyes and always make it a point to twist scripture every which way in order to get it to "prove" what they want it to prove.
I presume that to be a declination of the challenge. Am I and the readers to conclude that means you admit you can’t prove any error? When are you going to explain how you know what books belong in the Bible and which books don’t?
Not relevant to the challenge. That we both accept the book of Revelation as the inspired word of God is essential, but presumed Catholic Authority to declare canon or interpret scripture is not relevant. Michael Scheifler What does the word Vatican mean? http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/vatican.htm
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Personally, I am tired of Seventh Day Adventist venomous spew. Anyone can come up with a false theology and twist scripture to match it. Why waste out time with this.
O.K. Cbart, I extend the same challenge to you. Prove it wrong, or it stands as truth. Michael Scheifler What does the word Vatican mean? http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/vatican.htm
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My single objection is very simple, and may not be worth such publication: The Catholic Church is the Lady of Revelations 12, not the Whore of Revelations 17. To suggest otherwise is to assume that you know more than 2000 years worth of Catholic Scholars studying the Book of Revelations, which is an assumption that isn’t even worth discussion. The second you used non-Catholic sources to try to interpret the very Catholic book of the Apocalypse, you strayed from the Path of Truth. I have no reason to even consider you smart enough to debate any further than that, for beyond that is only your private interpretation of scripture vs 2000 years worth of Catholic Scholarship. Ted
That gives every appearance of being a refusal to accept the challenge. By the way, I am not asking for the "official" Catholic interpretation, I am asking for proof from you that there is error in my essay. Prove it wrong, if you can, but I will not accept or post lengthy Catholic Interpretation of Revelation. Should you find the slightest error, and prove it beyond doubt, I will certainly correct it. Michael Scheifler What Does the Word Vatican Mean? http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/vatican.htm
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"And, for a limited time, get this nifty papal dartboard…" Alan I would NEVER do that! Nor would I even tell my worst enemy to go to hell. However, it seems MANY times I have been asked to frequent that local. Sad tho. I only do this to warn you. I pray for John Paul.
I believe that to be a truth from you. I DON’T throw darts at him!
You might just as well. It’s peculiar that YOU a "Catholic" would joke about him in such a way though.
I’m nowhere near a beatification, let alone a sanctification, Nick. But I do not view myself as predominately possessed, either. Alan
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What does the word Vatican mean? see http://wwww.aloha.net/~mikesch/vatican.htm
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What does the word Vatican mean? see http://wwww.aloha.net/~mikesch/vatican.htm
You started out poor (with the four w’s), then got good when I realized your error, then got poor again when you showed a coin and claimed that it showed a woman in "sacarlet and purple" when there was only silver in the coin. All in all, a poor example of scholarship. One must wonder though: could another interpretation make the church into the woman of Revelations 12 rather than Revelations 17 (which you assume rather than prove)? Ted On this, the Feast of St Paula, http://www.catholic.org/saints/saints/paula.html On emergency address, remove everything past .com…This will send to my cell phone, my work, and my home. http://www.teleport.com/~seebert/ Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.
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Hey, you were the one that said 100% or the prohpesy is wrong! Vatican Hill, which existed at the time of Christ (so where you are getting the bulldozer theory, I have no idea.) unfortunately for your theory isn’t one of the 7 hills of Rome. It wasn’t part of Rome 1900 years ago when revalations was writen, and if you include it now, there are 8 hills.
There are a lot more than eight hills in Rome. Fore example the "Gianicolo"…
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A Challenge to Tim Consodine and Theodore Seeber. I challenge either one of you to email me and post a rebuttal to my essay on the meaning of the word Vatican at http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/vatican.htm I will publish your rebuttals on my web site for all my readers to see, linking at the bottom of the essay. Either you can prove it to be in error, or you can’t. If you can’t prove any error, then perhaps you need to consider the very serious implications of the information presented. Will you accept the challenge or not? Michael Scheifler Bible Light Homepage http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/
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A Challenge to Tim Consodine and Theodore Seeber. I challenge either one of you to email me and post a rebuttal to my essay on the meaning of the word Vatican at http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/vatican.htm I will publish your rebuttals on my web site for all my readers to see, linking at the bottom of the essay. Either you can prove it to be in error, or you can’t. If you can’t prove any error, then perhaps you need to consider the very serious implications of the information presented. Will you accept the challenge or not?
My single objection is very simple, and may not be worth such publication: The Catholic Church is the Lady of Revelations 12, not the Whore of Revelations 17. To suggest otherwise is to assume that you know more than 2000 years worth of Catholic Scholars studying the Book of Revelations, which is an assumption that isn’t even worth discussion. The second you used non-Catholic sources to try to interpret the very Catholic book of the Apocalypse, you strayed from the Path of Truth. I have no reason to even consider you smart enough to debate any further than that, for beyond that is only your private interpretation of scripture vs 2000 years worth of Catholic Scholarship. Ted On this, the Feast of St Angela Merici, Founder of the Ursulines http://www.catholic.org/saints/saints/angelamerici.html On emergency address, remove everything past .com…This will send to my cell phone, my work, and my home. http://www.teleport.com/~seebert/ Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.
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In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A Challenge to Tim Consodine and Theodore Seeber. I challenge either one of you to email me and post a rebuttal to my essay on the meaning of the word Vatican at http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/vatican.htm I will publish your rebuttals on my web site for all my readers to see, linking at the bottom of the essay. Either you can prove it to be in error, or you can’t. If you can’t prove any error, then perhaps you need to consider the very serious implications of the information presented. Will you accept the challenge or not? My single objection is very simple, and may not be worth such publication: The Catholic Church is the Lady of Revelations 12, not the Whore of Revelations 17. To suggest otherwise is to assume that you know more than 2000 years worth of Catholic Scholars studying the Book of Revelations, which is an assumption that isn’t even worth discussion. The second you used non-Catholic sources to try to interpret the very Catholic book of the Apocalypse, you strayed from the Path of Truth. I have no reason to even consider you smart enough to debate any further than that, for beyond that is only your private interpretation of scripture vs 2000 years worth of Catholic Scholarship. Ted On this, the Feast of St Angela Merici, Founder of the Ursulines http://www.catholic.org/saints/saints/angelamerici.html On emergency address, remove everything past .com…This will send to my cell phone, my work, and my home. http://www.teleport.com/~seebert/ Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.
Personally, I am tired of Seventh Day Adventist venomous spew. Anyone can come up with a false theology and twist scripture to match it. Why waste out time with this. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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You sound like David Koresh. For about the last two years, you have never accepted the challenge to explain where your Canon of Scripture came from.
I do not recall any such formal challenge from you, but are you now offering to post my complete reply on your web site, including a link to my site? If you are, then I accept. Until you can explain how you know what books belong in the Bible, is there really any reason to listen to your own personal interpretation of scripture?
I am not challenging you to disprove my interpretation, I am challenging you to find error in any of the information presented. I will let the reader judge the correctness of any interpretation by the cold hard facts that are presented. 2 Peter 1:20 First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21 because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
In reference to the above scripture quotation, see: http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/private.htm Michael Scheifler Bible Light Homepage http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch
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That gives every appearance of being a refusal to accept the challenge. By the way, I am not asking for the "official" Catholic interpretation, I am asking for proof from you that there is error in my essay.
As a Catholic, I can only view your essay in the light of the Holy Church’s Truth. Beyond that, as far as I’m concerned, there is no real value at all. Prove it wrong, if you can, but I will not accept or post lengthy Catholic Interpretation of Revelation.
And that is your failing: by not accpeting the Catholic Interpretation of the Book of the Apocalypse, you’ve cut yourself off from all historical precedent surrounding that writing. This in and of itself is GRAVE ERROR. Should you find the slightest error, and prove it beyond doubt, I will certainly correct it.
I find no slight errors at all with anything beyond this. Given your lack of understanding of the symbolism in the Book of Revelation, your essay is logically correct. It’s just not factually correct. If I do this at all, it will be to correct your false interpretation of the Book of Revelation, not to correct the errors in your logic. Ted On this, the Feast of St Angela Merici, Founder of the Ursulines http://www.catholic.org/saints/saints/angelamerici.html On emergency address, remove everything past .com…This will send to my cell phone, my work, and my home. http://www.teleport.com/~seebert/ Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.
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Nicholas (Romans10:14) wrote I pray for John Paul. I DON’T throw darts at him! It’s peculiar that YOU a "Catholic" would joke about him in such a way though.
There goes Nickie the Accuser again. So full of guilt, he compulsively points the finger at anyone and everything. Look at them!! (not me) BAM
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eleport.com… On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Nicholas (Romans10:14) Rev.17 ..Come hither; I will show unto thee the
judgement of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters…I will tell
thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast which carrieth her… here is wisdom, the seven heads are seven
mountains on which the woman sitteth..the waters…are peoples, and
multitudes, and nations, and tongues… the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Is not Rome the "City of Seven Hills?" No, not any more. Hasn’t been for over 1500
years now, since the city expanded to include the 8th Hill, the Vatican. OoOooOo how convenient. Problem is, do you really
thing a bulldozer can change prophetic fact?
Hey, you were the one that said 100% or the prohpesy is wrong! Vatican Hill, which existed at the time of Christ (so where you are getting the bulldozer theory, I have no idea.) unfortunately for your theory isn’t one of the 7 hills of Rome. It wasn’t part of Rome 1900 years ago when revalations was writen, and if you include it now, there are 8 hills. And where did they get bulldozers 1500 years ago? Do you think about what you write? Britannica. No other city fits this prophecy. Save Jerusalem, which sits on 7 hills, Istanbul,
which sits on 7 hills, Washington D.C., which sits on 7 hills, and
probabally even Nicholas’ home town. Wrong…wrong…wrong…wrong.
Devistating logic here. I’m convinced. Saying "wrong" 4 times proves that Ted is wrong. Do you think about what you write? …Nicholas Ted On this, the Conversion of St Paul, http://saints.catholic.org/saints/paul.html The Week of Prayer for Christian Unity
I still think that Hollywood ("Movie capital of greater Los Angeles") is Babylon. — Tom A. "I’ve got the whole world In my hands" – John, 3 year old Megalomaniac Before you buy.
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Did you ever think LA was the great whore of Babylon? Prophecy MUST be fullfilled accurately. Otherwise
you call God Almighty a liar. Fact is, LA has not the prophetic abilities
that the Vatican has. Vatican is one hill. It is not one of the seven hills Rome was built on. Therefore, it does not fullfil the prophecy accurately. Your theory ("prophecy must be fullfilled accurately") + real word fact ("Vatican hill isn’t one of Rome’s seven hills, or if you add it, there are 8 hills) = result (not the city of prophecy. Otherwise you Nicolas "make God a lier.") However, from what I’ve seen of you, you don’t let little things like facts get in the way of your hate mongering. So I have little faith that these facts will penetrate your brain, either. Food for thought…How many hills in LA? I don’t care. Nor do I care how many languages. It
could even have it’s name = 666.
Proof that Nicolas isn’t looking for truth, he’s looking for ammo. He doesn’t care if some other city is a better fit. It doesn’t matter to him. Facts don’t matter to him. Only his beliefs (his theory that Pope=anti-christ) matters to him, and as long as a fact can be twisted to make it fit, OK. But if a fact can’t, ignore it he "don’t care." But the Biblical fact is if the entity you want to proclaim as Antichrist cannot fulfill ALL, 100% of the
Prophecies. then having it fulfill one here, two there, or even 99% here. The
Lord God that uttered these prophecies will NOT be mocked. What He said
WILL happen. And we have shown that the Vatican doesn’t fullfil one of the prophecies. Therefore NOT 100%!!!!!! …Nicholas
Still praying for you, guy. Tom A. "I’ve got the whole world In my hands" – John, 3 year old Megalomaniac Before you buy.
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Is not Rome the "City of Seven Hills?" No, not any more. Hasn’t been for over 1500 years now, since the city expanded to include the 8th Hill, the Vatican. OoOooOo how convenient. Problem is, do you really thing a bulldozer can change prophetic fact?
No, just pointing out that this prophecy is about Pagan Rome, which hasn’t existed since St. Peter’s Bascilica was built. Britannica. No other city fits this prophecy. Save Jerusalem, which sits on 7 hills, Istanbul, which sits on 7 hills, Washington D.C., which sits on 7 hills, and probabally even Nicholas’ home town. Wrong…wrong…wrong…wrong.
Go look at a map, idiot. Ted On this, the Feast of St Paula, http://www.catholic.org/saints/saints/paula.html On emergency address, remove everything past .com…This will send to my cell phone, my work, and my home. http://www.teleport.com/~seebert/ Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.
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"And, for a limited time, get this nifty papal dartboard…" Alan
I would NEVER do that! Nor would I even tell my worst enemy to go to hell. However, it seems MANY times I have been asked to frequent that local. Sad tho. I only do this to warn you. I pray for John Paul. I DON’T throw darts at him! It’s peculiar that YOU a "Catholic" would joke about him in such a way though. — Devastatingly accurate prophecies confirm Antichrist resides in Vatican! http://www.localline2.com/~nicholas/Truthpro.htm .-^~ Truth is truth. …Nicholas
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Did you ever think LA was the great whore of Babylon?
Prophecy MUST be fullfilled accurately. Otherwise you call God Almighty a liar. Fact is, LA has not the prophetic abilities that the Vatican has. There are more languages spoken in Los Angeles than any other city in the world….Look at the Movie industry….How many nations have lost their morality due to the film industry? or put to match scripture…She has caused every nation to partake in her whoredom…. Food for thought…How many hills in LA?
I don’t care. Nor do I care how many languages. It could even have it’s name = 666. But the Biblical fact is if the entity you want to proclaim as Antichrist cannot fulfill ALL, 100% of the Prophecies. then having it fulfill one here, two there, or even 99% here. The Lord God that uttered these prophecies will NOT be mocked. What He said WILL happen. And it has begun! See the evidence here… — Devastatingly accurate prophecies confirm Antichrist resides in Vatican! http://www.localline2.com/~nicholas/Truthpro.htm .-^~ Truth is truth. …Nicholas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rev.17 ..Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgement of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters…I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast which carrieth her… here is wisdom, the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth..the waters…are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues… the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Is not Rome the "City of Seven Hills?" That’s just "one" more prophecy on top of ALL THE OTHERS that proves the Roman Church is of hell. Look it up in the Encyclopedia Americana or Britannica. No other city fits this prophecy. Care to see MORE FACTUAL EVIDENCE FOLKS? Stop by the site and read "The Second Window" as soon as possible! Or download it FREE and read it later. — Devastatingly accurate prophecies confirm Antichrist resides in Vatican! http://www.localline2.com/~nicholas/Truthpro.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .-^~ Truth is truth. …Nicholas
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Did you ever think LA was the great whore of Babylon? There are more languages spoken in Los Angeles than any other city in the world….Look at the Movie industry….How many nations have lost their morality due to the film industry? or put to match scripture…She has caused every nation to partake in her whoredom…. Food for thought…How many hills in LA?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rev.17 ..Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgement of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters…I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast which carrieth her… here is wisdom, the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth..the waters…are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues… the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Is not Rome the "City of Seven Hills?" That’s just "one" more prophecy on top of ALL THE OTHERS that proves the Roman Church is of hell. Look it up in the Encyclopedia Americana or Britannica. No other city fits this prophecy. Care to see MORE FACTUAL EVIDENCE FOLKS? Stop by the site and read "The Second Window" as soon as possible! Or download it FREE and read it later. — Devastatingly accurate prophecies confirm Antichrist resides in Vatican! http://www.localline2.com/~nicholas/Truthpro.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .-^~ Truth is truth. …Nicholas
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Rev.17 ..Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgement of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters…I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast which carrieth her… here is wisdom, the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth..the waters…are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues… the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Is not Rome the "City of Seven Hills?"
(This is taken from http://www.catholic.com/answers/tracts/whore1.htm) Your argument is based on Revelation 17:9, which states that the woman sits on seven mountains. The Greek word in this passage horos. Of the sixty-five occurrences of this word in the New Testament, only three are rendered "hill" by the King James Version. The remaining sixty-two are translated as "mountain" or "mount." Modern Bibles have similar ratios. This blows the interpretation of the text wide open. Hunt claims the seven "hills" refer to the seven hills of ancient Rome, but if the passage states that the Whore sits on "seven mountains," it could refer to anything. Mountains are common symbols in the Bible, often symbolizing whole kingdoms (cf. Ps. 68:15, Dan. 2:35, Obad. 8-21, Amos 4:1, 6:1). The Whore’s seven mountains might be seven kingdoms she reigns over, or seven kingdoms with which she has something in common. The number seven may be symbolic also, for it often represents completeness in the Bible. If so, the seven mountains might signify that the Whore reigns over all the kingdoms of the earth. Even if we grant the idea that the word horos should be translated "hill" in this passage, and that these are seven literal hills, it still does not narrow us down to Rome. Other cities are known for having been built on seven hills as well. And even if we grant that the reference is to Rome, which Rome are we talking about? Pagan Rome or Christian Rome? As we will see, ancient, pagan Rome fits all of Hunt’s criteria as well or better than Rome during the Christian centuries. When we bring in the distinction between Rome and Vatican City–the city where the Catholic Church is headquartered–Hunt’s claim is even more implausable, since Vatican City is not built on seven hills, but only one: Vatican Hill. What’s more, Vatican Hill is not one of the seven ancient Rome was constructed upon. Those seven (the Quirinal, Viminal, Esquiline, Caelian, Aventine, Palatine, and Capitoline hills) are on the east side of the Tiber river. Unfortunately for Hunt’s theory, Vatican Hill, site of numerous first-century Christian catacombs, is on the west side. — Steven Musumeche http://onefaith.freeservers.com/
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rev.17 ..Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgement of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters…I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast which carrieth her… here is wisdom, the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth..the waters…are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues… the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Is not Rome the "City of Seven Hills?" No, not any more. Hasn’t been for over 1500 years now, since the city expanded to include the 8th Hill, the Vatican.
OoOooOo how convenient. Problem is, do you really thing a bulldozer can change prophetic fact? Britannica. No other city fits this prophecy. Save Jerusalem, which sits on 7 hills, Istanbul, which sits on 7 hills, Washington D.C., which sits on 7 hills, and probabally even Nicholas’ home town.
Wrong…wrong…wrong…wrong. — Devastatingly accurate prophecies confirm Antichrist resides in Vatican! http://www.localline2.com/~nicholas/Truthpro.htm .-^~ Truth is truth. …Nicholas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ted On this, the Conversion of St Paul, http://saints.catholic.org/saints/paul.html The Week of Prayer for Christian Unity On emergency address, remove everything past .com…This will send to my cell phone, my work, and my home. http://www.teleport.com/~seebert/ Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.
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Rev.17 ..Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgement of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters…I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast which carrieth her… here is wisdom, the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth..the waters…are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues… the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Is not Rome the "City of Seven Hills?"
No, not any more. Hasn’t been for over 1500 years now, since the city expanded to include the 8th Hill, the Vatican. Britannica. No other city fits this prophecy.
Save Jerusalem, which sits on 7 hills, Istanbul, which sits on 7 hills, Washington D.C., which sits on 7 hills, and probabally even Nicholas’ home town. Ted On this, the Conversion of St Paul, http://saints.catholic.org/saints/paul.html The Week of Prayer for Christian Unity On emergency address, remove everything past .com…This will send to my cell phone, my work, and my home. http://www.teleport.com/~seebert/ Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.
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Rev.17 ..Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgement of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters…I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast which carrieth her… here is wisdom, the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth..the waters…are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues… the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Is not Rome the "City of Seven Hills?" That’s just "one" more prophecy on top of ALL THE OTHERS that proves the Roman Church is of hell. Look it up in the Encyclopedia Americana or Britannica. No other city fits this prophecy. Care to see MORE FACTUAL EVIDENCE FOLKS? Stop by the site and read "The Second Window" as soon as possible! Or download it FREE and read it later.
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