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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good post. It’s one thing to report bad news and want to help clean up the mess, but they (some journalists and news syndicates) hated the church before these ugly happenings became known. People do need to be aware of that. How awful it must be to be an honorable priest in these times. It’s a form of penance. There are many who for years have been saying about the abuse in the church. The church and catholics claimed they were just anti-catholic. This has nothing to do with the abuse in the Church. This has to do with the covering of it and the treatment of innocent priests and parishes. It has to do with the hypocricy of those who out of one side of their mouth bemoan the abuse of minors at the hands of homosexual priests, and out of the other side of their mouth push for gay scoutmasters to take young boys on camping trips. I am sorry but the anti-catholic stance has been so overused it just does not wash anymore. I myself have been called anti-catholic just for reminding people that covering up abuse is a horrendous act. No Alan, you ARE anti-Catholic. What do you call a regular in a group who is "recovering from Catholicism"? And one of the supporters listed on their FAQ? -Tony I guess Alan Ferris overlooked that fact… But of course he is compelled to.. by his very adamant and avowed atheism…. I often feel and say that is part of his agenda… He tries to come off a compasionate man but he is so transparant it isn’t any longer a funny matter…. Just look at his many many [all to many] attempts to paint several of us posters in a light that would seem to make us look like we support abuse… He says it himselfe.. I never spoke out and asserted I like what is going on.. Yet he make that claim…. The real thorn in my side is how he with cunning audacity feels he can make such a claim, or read our minds [hearts]… Just because some of us fear that there are some good priest that will [unfortunatly] be prosecuted…. and perhaps spend many years in jail for something that they might not have done… He can rebut this all he wants , but the fact of the matter is [he ] knows just as well as I do and as the public has recently come to be aware of. that in fact MANY innocents have been unjustly charged and imprisoned, only until after many years of suffering behind bars it became known that they were in FACT innocent…. Yea! Even we have sent innocents that were on death row… Hooo boy, then along came a new science dealing in forensices that absolutely proved these poor victims [Im positive many that did go to thier deaths] were in fact innocent….. Is this right? Are we to be condemmed for haveing these fears that it could and is happening even to this day ? Punish those that are in fact guilty, but use extreme caution that we put away NO ONE that is innocent… Blessings, and praying that this will not happen… The problem is Ed, in arc you have a history of claiming even guilty priests are innocent. Of claiming we lied when we talked of a cover up. The shame is that even today you keep your eyes closed and spend you days insulting people who have been abused by your church.
"Our Church" has never abused one child. Sinful men abused children. Please try and get it straight. -Tony — For fairly troll free Catholic discussion, send e-mail to: Join on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romancatholic/
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good post. It’s one thing to report bad news and want to help clean up the mess, but they (some journalists and news syndicates) hated the church before these ugly happenings became known. People do need to be aware of that. How awful it must be to be an honorable priest in these times. It’s a form of penance. There are many who for years have been saying about the abuse in the church. The church and catholics claimed they were just anti-catholic. This has nothing to do with the abuse in the Church. This has to do with the covering of it and the treatment of innocent priests and parishes. It has to do with the hypocricy of those who out of one side of their mouth bemoan the abuse of minors at the hands of homosexual priests, and out of the other side of their mouth push for gay scoutmasters to take young boys on camping trips. I am sorry but the anti-catholic stance has been so overused it just does not wash anymore. I myself have been called anti-catholic just for reminding people that covering up abuse is a horrendous act. No Alan, you ARE anti-Catholic. What do you call a regular in a group who is "recovering from Catholicism"? And one of the supporters listed on their FAQ? -Tony
I guess Alan Ferris overlooked that fact… But of course he is compelled to.. by his very adamant and avowed atheism…. I often feel and say that is part of his agenda… He tries to come off a compasionate man but he is so transparant it isn’t any longer a funny matter…. Just look at his many many [all to many] attempts to paint several of us posters in a light that would seem to make us look like we support abuse… He says it himselfe.. I never spoke out and asserted I like what is going on.. Yet he make that claim…. The real thorn in my side is how he with cunning audacity feels he can make such a claim, or read our minds [hearts]… Just because some of us fear that there are some good priest that will [unfortunatly] be prosecuted…. and perhaps spend many years in jail for something that they might not have done… He can rebut this all he wants , but the fact of the matter is [he ] knows just as well as I do and as the public has recently come to be aware of. that in fact MANY innocents have been unjustly charged and imprisoned, only until after many years of suffering behind bars it became known that they were in FACT innocent…. Yea! Even we have sent innocents that were on death row… Hooo boy, then along came a new science dealing in forensices that absolutely proved these poor victims [Im positive many that did go to thier deaths] were in fact innocent….. Is this right? Are we to be condemmed for haveing these fears that it could and is happening even to this day ? Punish those that are in fact guilty, but use extreme caution that we put away NO ONE that is innocent… Blessings, and praying that this will not happen… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — For fairly troll free Catholic discussion, send e-mail to: Join on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romancatholic/
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good post. It’s one thing to report bad news and want to help clean up the mess, but they (some journalists and news syndicates) hated the church before these ugly happenings became known. People do need to be aware of that. How awful it must be to be an honorable priest in these times. It’s a form of penance. There are many who for years have been saying about the abuse in the church. The church and catholics claimed they were just anti-catholic. This has nothing to do with the abuse in the Church. This has to do with the covering of it and the treatment of innocent priests and parishes. It has to do with the hypocricy of those who out of one side of their mouth bemoan the abuse of minors at the hands of homosexual priests, and out of the other side of their mouth push for gay scoutmasters to take young boys on camping trips. I am sorry but the anti-catholic stance has been so overused it just does not wash anymore. I myself have been called anti-catholic just for reminding people that covering up abuse is a horrendous act. No Alan, you ARE anti-Catholic. What do you call a regular in a group who is "recovering from Catholicism"? And one of the supporters listed on their FAQ? Indeed, but strangely all the catholics who know me personally would never consider me anti-catholic.
Then those people would be wrong. 1. WHAT ARC IS – THE PURPOSE OF OUR NG Our ng, arc, exists solely as a forum for people to discuss personal abuse they experienced at the hands of the Roman catholic church (rcc). We feel there is a direct connection between our hurt and our experiences as former members of the rcc. We generally don’t like the rcc. Some of us are more tolerant, but some of us have a sincere, downright hatred for the rcc. Some serious contributors are extremely angry at the rcc. After all, some of us were severely hurt. — These people are anti-Catholic ("We generally don’t like the rcc"). As a supporter of that group, that makes you anti-Catholic. -Tony — For fairly troll free Catholic discussion, send e-mail to: Join on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romancatholic/
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(Stupidity snipped) Sounds like Father REALLY wants them to beg forgiveness from him for not keeping him on the pedestal on which the Catholic clergy tells us it belongs Paul
Paul ! You certainly have no compulsion nor room for compassion… I did get your emails and will respond in good time….
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(Stupidity snipped) Sounds like Father REALLY wants them to beg forgiveness from him for not keeping him on the pedestal on which the Catholic clergy tells us it belongs Paul
Hmm a double post? and only withing approx a minutes time. Seems like you think you have a valid point. or was it your ISPs news server to blame…?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good post. It’s one thing to report bad news and want to help clean up the mess, but they (some journalists and news syndicates) hated the church before these ugly happenings became known. People do need to be aware of that. How awful it must be to be an honorable priest in these times. It’s a form of penance. There are many who for years have been saying about the abuse in the church. The church and catholics claimed they were just anti-catholic. This has nothing to do with the abuse in the Church. This has to do with the covering of it and the treatment of innocent priests and parishes. It has to do with the hypocricy of those who out of one side of their mouth bemoan the abuse of minors at the hands of homosexual priests, and out of the other side of their mouth push for gay scoutmasters to take young boys on camping trips. I am sorry but the anti-catholic stance has been so overused it just does not wash anymore. I myself have been called anti-catholic just for reminding people that covering up abuse is a horrendous act. No Alan, you ARE anti-Catholic. What do you call a regular in a group who is "recovering from Catholicism"? And one of the supporters listed on their FAQ?
Indeed, but strangely all the catholics who know me personally would never consider me anti-catholic. — Alan "the Full Monty" Ferrit ()’.’.’() ( (T) ) ( ) . ( ) (")_(") eligo, ergo sum Atheist #1211 Denizen of Darkness #42 EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good post. It’s one thing to report bad news and want to help clean up the mess, but they (some journalists and news syndicates) hated the church before these ugly happenings became known. People do need to be aware of that. How awful it must be to be an honorable priest in these times. It’s a form of penance. There are many who for years have been saying about the abuse in the church. The church and catholics claimed they were just anti-catholic. This has nothing to do with the abuse in the Church. This has to do with the covering of it and the treatment of innocent priests and parishes. It has to do with the hypocricy of those who out of one side of their mouth bemoan the abuse of minors at the hands of homosexual priests, and out of the other side of their mouth push for gay scoutmasters to take young boys on camping trips. I am sorry but the anti-catholic stance has been so overused it just does not wash anymore. I myself have been called anti-catholic just for reminding people that covering up abuse is a horrendous act. No Alan, you ARE anti-Catholic. What do you call a regular in a group who is "recovering from Catholicism"? And one of the supporters listed on their FAQ? -Tony I guess Alan Ferris overlooked that fact… But of course he is compelled to.. by his very adamant and avowed atheism…. I often feel and say that is part of his agenda… He tries to come off a compasionate man but he is so transparant it isn’t any longer a funny matter…. Just look at his many many [all to many] attempts to paint several of us posters in a light that would seem to make us look like we support abuse… He says it himselfe.. I never spoke out and asserted I like what is going on.. Yet he make that claim…. The real thorn in my side is how he with cunning audacity feels he can make such a claim, or read our minds [hearts]… Just because some of us fear that there are some good priest that will [unfortunatly] be prosecuted…. and perhaps spend many years in jail for something that they might not have done… He can rebut this all he wants , but the fact of the matter is [he ] knows just as well as I do and as the public has recently come to be aware of. that in fact MANY innocents have been unjustly charged and imprisoned, only until after many years of suffering behind bars it became known that they were in FACT innocent…. Yea! Even we have sent innocents that were on death row… Hooo boy, then along came a new science dealing in forensices that absolutely proved these poor victims [Im positive many that did go to thier deaths] were in fact innocent….. Is this right? Are we to be condemmed for haveing these fears that it could and is happening even to this day ? Punish those that are in fact guilty, but use extreme caution that we put away NO ONE that is innocent… Blessings, and praying that this will not happen…
The problem is Ed, in arc you have a history of claiming even guilty priests are innocent. Of claiming we lied when we talked of a cover up. The shame is that even today you keep your eyes closed and spend you days insulting people who have been abused by your church. Why do you get off on insulting them? — Alan "the Full Monty" Ferrit ()’.’.’() ( (T) ) ( ) . ( ) (")_(") eligo, ergo sum Atheist #1211 Denizen of Darkness #42 EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div.
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By: Fr. Thomas Buffer Palm Sunday 6:00 a.m. My clock radio goes off. It is set to a local news station. The spiritual maxim is this: Upon awaking in the morning, give your first thoughts to God. I am beginning to learn that clock radios don’t always enable this practice. Before I can give my thoughts to anything in particular, the radio announcer says, "In the headlines: crisis in the Catholic Church over priest pedophiles." The announcer sounds very concerned as she reads a script cut and pasted from the Boston Globe and New York Times. She even refers to the Supreme Pontiff, whom she calls "Pope Paul II". I wonder whether she really meant to refer to Pietro Barbo, who reigned as Pope Paul II from 1464 to 1471. Then again, she is a professional journalist and I am not, so this is best left to her. This is going to be a long week. Monday of Holy Week It is a beautiful afternoon and I go for a walk. Heading back toward the center of town, the idea of a cup of coffee starts to seem better and better. I pause to look at a cafe, trying to decide whether it is priest-friendly. Most people who work in coffee bars are very friendly and polite in a kind of T-shirted and steel-studded way. But some of them look askance at priests. A young man and his wife come out of the cafe. The man smiles at me and says, "Hello, Father. How are you today?". The answer is fantastic. Why? Because the man was glad to see a priest. Bear in mind that he has no idea what my name is or where I am from or whether I am intelligent or a dolt, kind or mean. He sees the collar and knows I am a priest, and it makes him glad, and this means he has the Faith, and so he smiles and says, "Hello, Father." Not, "G’way, you pervert" or "Stay away from my kids." It’s a simple story and I will cut it short because I am getting sentimental, but not before I say, "Hey, New York Times and Boston Globe: Catholics still love their priests." Tuesday of Holy Week I find myself thinking of a memory long suppressed. Something that happened 10 years ago, during my first year of priesthood. I was the parochial vicar (assistant priest) at Our Lady of Perpetual Help Church. Around noon, someone phoned the rectory and said, "Father, have you seen the commercial they.re running on Channel Zero?" (I have changed the name of the TV station to protect the guilty, thus showing them more consideration than they showed me and other priests). I turned on the TV and, after a few minutes of soap opera, the commercial came on. It showed the silhouette of a young man wearing a cassock, holding rosary beads, while the announcer said something like, "They care for our souls and hear our deepest secrets, but can they be trusted?" Then the screen showed the front of a church. I recognized it at once. You could even read the letters on the facade: Our Lady of Perpetual Help church. I remember exactly what was said then. "What is the shocking secret that the diocese does not want you to know about its priests?" I felt sick. I had no idea what was going on. The announcer told me I wouldn’t find out until 11 p.m. It was a sad story, of course. An old priest, now retired out of state, had been accused by a long-ago altar boy of having interfered with minors. The private detective trying to dig up dirt had contacted the TV station. Allegedly the diocese had been told about these allegations 30 years previously, but had simply transferred the man from one parish to another. And one of the parishes just happened to be Our Lady of Perpetual Help. And this is why I was being defamed, why we were being defamed. Naturally, parishioners continued to ring the phone into the afternoon, intent on finding out whether one or both of the parish priests was about to be arrested. This was intolerable. I phoned my attorney. I explained the whole matter. "Are you sure you want to do something about this?. he asked. .It could backfire." I told him to go ahead. This simply wasn’t right. Now, some critics of the Church will maintain that Catholic priests hold sway over the faithful simply by the perceived power of the sacred words that only priests can speak. If they believe that, they should look to the awesome powers of the attorney. Armed only with a telephone and some magic legalese, my lawyer went to work. First he identified himself as a member of a sacred order. "Hello, this is Attorney Charlie Michaels. I need to speak to whoever is responsible for the commerical being run to promote your 11 p.m. news program." This brought about a fairly rapid response. Charlie let loose a lawyerly spell, explaining that he was calling on behalf of his client, that this phone call was an official legal communication, relating that his client was in great distress over the commercial. The TV professional protested that my name had never been mentioned. Charlie explained that damage had already been done, that his client.s reputation had already been caused serious harm. The TV professional said, "Well, we had a meeting and we’ve decided we’re not going to run that commercial any more." Now Charlie spoke the word of power. "That.s good," he said. "Because if you run that commercial one more time…you will be sued. Do you understand me?" They did not run the commercial again. Wednesday of Holy Week Father H. asks, "Have you seen the latest issue of Time?" The cover April 1. Holy Thursday A day to commemorate the Last Supper, at which the Lord gave his disciples two commandments: (1) Do this in remembrance of me; (2) wash each other’s feet. Holy Thursday gives priest their identity. For priests, it is a day to renew their commitment, to celebrate together their common identity. The present Pope has written a Holy Thursday letter to priests each year since his election. It is a wonderful thing to be a priest, to be able to say, "The Pope writes me a letter every year." Of course the letter comes out a few days early, and is released to the press. North American journalists in particular were amazed and annoyed that this year’s Holy Thursday letter did not say what they wanted it to say. They hate that. This gave journalists such as Janet Bagnall of the Montreal Gazette the opportunity to criticize the Pope’s Holy Thursday letter in an article published on Holy Thursday itself. I doubt Bagnall went through the exercise of reading the whole letter. Rather, she was more exercised about what the Pope did not say in it. She complains, "The pope did not pronounce the words sexual abuse or pedophilia. He did not name the evil that traumatized so many innocent young lives." Now, the Pope did speak of mysterium iniquitatis "the mystery of evil" which you figure embraces pretty much everything that could traumatize innocent young lives. But Bagnall ain’t buyin’. When Vatican official Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos spoke of "today’s culture of pansexualism and libertinism," she scoffed. "Is he saying there’s something in the air? Is this an actual theory?" This is a very interesting question. Is there something in the cultural air? Is there something in the cultural water? How can we test the theory that today’s culture is highly eroticized? What about if we start our investigation in three public places frequented by a wide cross-section of society, including children: the drugstore, the supermarket, and the library. In the drugstore. Do you think twice about going to the drugstore? I do. I have to make a choice: collar or no collar? Hide my identity, or wear the collar and endure the funny looks? I opt for the collar. As I make my way down the greeting card aisle, I pretend not to see the birthday cards with naughty pictures. As I walk the next aisle, trying to find where they have hidden the shaving cream (20 different kinds!), I pretend not to see the condom display (20 different kinds!). If they saw a priest looking at the condoms, they would be scandalized, I suppose. Of course they don’t think twice about taking their kids down the same aisle. I move to the next aisle, heading past the magazines, careful not to look at any of them. It’s not just the openly pornographic magazines that must be avoided. I must also avoid looking at the covers of computer magazines, movie magazines, men’s health magazines, car magazines, fashion magazines. They all have underdressed women on the cover. Do I dare look at Modern Maturity? Better play it safe. So I strive not to see any of the magazines. It wouldn’t do for a priest to be seen staring at pictures like that. But do you think twice about trolling your children past the same pictures? If it’s okay for the kids to see them, would you mind if you saw a priest staring at them? In the grocery store. Do you think twice about going to the supermarket? I do. You get funny looks, you see. And you have to avoid looking at the funny stuff. Grocery stores nowadays have magazine sections too, and even if you avoid those, you still have to go through the checkout line, where there are more magazines. I went to the grocery store last Saturday. The featured magazine in the checkout line was a periodical put out by Rosie O’Donnell, called Rosie. The cover featured a photo of Rosie driving a convertible in which sat three other women who looked like they had a lot in common with Rosie. Rosie recently announced to a breathless nation that she is a (brace yourself) lesbian. Let’s review. A magazine published by a lesbian, named for a lesbian, with a picture of four mannish women on the front. In the checkout line. At the supermarket. I pick up my bag of groceries and head for the car, trying to make sense out of what I have just seen. At this point I have a question. If homosexuality is something we should all accept, and if priests should be allowed to have sex, and if the Boy Scouts should have gay … read more »
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Good post. It’s one thing to report bad news and want to help clean up the mess, but they (some journalists and news syndicates) hated the church before these ugly happenings became known. People do need to be aware of that. How awful it must be to be an honorable priest in these times. It’s a form of penance. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Good post. It’s one thing to report bad news and want to help clean up the mess, but they (some journalists and news syndicates) hated the church before these ugly happenings became known. People do need to be aware of that. How awful it must be to be an honorable priest in these times. It’s a form of penance.
There are many who for years have been saying about the abuse in the church. The church and catholics claimed they were just anti-catholic. I am sorry but the anti-catholic stance has been so overused it just does not wash anymore. I myself have been called anti-catholic just for reminding people that covering up abuse is a horrendous act. — Alan "the Full Monty" Ferrit ()’.’.’() ( (T) ) ( ) . ( ) (")_(") eligo, ergo sum Atheist #1211 Denizen of Darkness #42 EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div.
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(Stupidity snipped) Sounds like Father REALLY wants them to beg forgiveness from him for not keeping him on the pedestal on which the Catholic clergy tells us it belongs Paul
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Good post. It’s one thing to report bad news and want to help clean up the mess, but they (some journalists and news syndicates) hated the church before these ugly happenings became known. People do need to be aware of that. How awful it must be to be an honorable priest in these times. It’s a form of penance. There are many who for years have been saying about the abuse in the church. The church and catholics claimed they were just anti-catholic.
This has nothing to do with the abuse in the Church. This has to do with the covering of it and the treatment of innocent priests and parishes. It has to do with the hypocricy of those who out of one side of their mouth bemoan the abuse of minors at the hands of homosexual priests, and out of the other side of their mouth push for gay scoutmasters to take young boys on camping trips. I am sorry but the anti-catholic stance has been so overused it just does not wash anymore. I myself have been called anti-catholic just for reminding people that covering up abuse is a horrendous act.
No Alan, you ARE anti-Catholic. What do you call a regular in a group who is "recovering from Catholicism"? And one of the supporters listed on their FAQ? -Tony — For fairly troll free Catholic discussion, send e-mail to: Join on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romancatholic/
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