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<HHIss…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:1116517168.415012.116270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com… > As Vote Nears, DeLay Attacks Bill Expanding Stem Cell Research

DeLay’s a total asshole, of course.  But I think that on the issue of stem cell research the states will gradually follow CA’s example and decide to go ahead without Fed funding.  The US can hardly afford to be left out of the potential bonanza that this presents.  Whether there will be any usable results in our lifetimes is iffy, but obviously the research should and will go forward.

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I totally agree. Also, it is impossible to keep poltical issues outside our discussions, because it is politics that takes (or tries to take) decisions that are potentially affecting us. If politics does not spare us, how can we  avoid politics. Jan "Anthony" <jaw…@nospam.aol.com> wrote in message

news:AOedndsk8NqQYRHfRVn-sg@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <HHIss…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1116517168.415012.116270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com… >> As Vote Nears, DeLay Attacks Bill Expanding Stem Cell Research > DeLay’s a total asshole, of course.  But I think that on the issue of stem > cell research the states will gradually follow CA’s example and decide to > go ahead without Fed funding.  The US can hardly afford to be left out of > the potential bonanza that this presents.  Whether there will be any > usable results in our lifetimes is iffy, but obviously the research should > and will go forward.

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<HHIss…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:1116517168.415012.116270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Note: Is this guy for real ? Now this ? Maybe it’s a question of that > some guys want things to stay the same and not have the boat rocked so > they continue to have the so-called "preconceived" power that’s > basically based on a certain "mindset", right ? Now repeat after me, > "DeLay must go! clap! clap! clap! Delay must go! clap! clap! clap!…" > As Vote Nears, DeLay Attacks Bill Expanding Stem Cell Research > By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG > Published: May 19, 2005 > WASHINGTON, May 18 – With a vote on embryonic stem cell research > expected as early as next week, the House majority leader vowed on > Wednesday to defeat a measure that would expand federal financing of > the science.

Lets wait untill Korea and some other countries are so far ahead of us that we will never catch up. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Once people understand the issue," said the majority leader, > Representative Tom DeLay of Texas, "more than 70 percent are against > embryonic stem cell research." > Mr. DeLay said there would be votes on two competing measures. One, > sponsored by Representative Michael N. Castle, Republican of Delaware, > would loosen restrictions that President Bush imposed in August 2001 on > federal financing of such research. The other, sponsored by > Representative Christopher H. Smith, Republican of New Jersey, would > encourage research on a different type of stem cell, drawn from > umbilical cord blood, by creating a national network of cord-blood > banks. > Mr. DeLay told reporters that he was "adamantly opposed" to the Castle > bill, which has 201 co-sponsors from both parties; 218 votes are > required for approval. Mr. Smith’s measure, which Mr. DeLay supports, > has 41 co-sponsors. > Because embryonic stem cells have the potential to give rise to any > cell or tissue in the body, scientists and patients’ advocates say the > research offers great prospects for treatments and cures. But to obtain > the cells, scientists must destroy human embryos, and so the research > also draws intense opposition, particularly from conservatives and the > Roman Catholic Church. > Mr. Bush’s policy permits the federal government to pay for studies > only on those colonies, called lines, of stem cells that were created > prior to his 2001 announcement, so as not to encourage the further > destruction of embryos. The Castle bill, similar to one sponsored in > the Senate by Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, would roll > back that restriction, permitting the creation of new lines from > embryos that would otherwise be discarded by fertility clinics.

The government has no business telling researchers how to do research. Well at least not like this. Of coarse certain safety standards and health hazards must be watched. But letting a church group decide that we can’t do research is insane. > The issue prompted intense debate Wednesday within the Republican > caucus, which met behind closed doors in late afternoon to discuss it. > Some Republicans were seething over a poll conducted by the Winston > Group and partly financed by the Republican Main Street Partnership, a > group of moderates. Mr. Castle is the partnership’s president. > The survey questioned voters in 13 Republican districts and found that > 66 percent supported embryonic stem cell research, while 27 percent > were opposed. But lawmakers in those districts, including > Representative Roy Blunt of Missouri, the third-ranking Republican in > the House, were not told about the poll and were caught off guard by > it.

Those darn fact thingies always gettin in the way of a good snow job. > Mr. Blunt emerged tight-lipped from Wednesday’s meeting, brushing aside > questions from supporters, except to say that he did not support Mr. > Castle’s bill. > As the vote draws closer, interest groups on both sides are gearing up. > In addition to its poll, the Republican Main Street Partnership has > begun running television advertisements in support of the Castle > measure. But the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops released > a competing poll saying a majority of Americans, 52 percent, opposed > embryonic stem cell research while just 36 percent supported it.

Hmm let me guess they questioned a group of people whos names they got off a catholic church membership list. > On Wednesday, Cardinal William H. Keeler of Baltimore, the American > bishops’ chief representative on abortion, sent a letter to all members > of Congress saying the Castle bill would encourage large-scale > destruction of human embryos, which the church regards as human beings.

That would be the left over embryos from fertility clinics. They are normally thrown away. I wonder how many embryos the good cardinal has adopted or placed in homes. > "I urge you in the strongest possible terms," Cardinal Keeler wrote, > "to oppose all destructive and morally offensive proposals of this > kind."

And can we please get back our old maps. I’m tired of people telling me the world isn’t flat.

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<HHIss…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:1116533806.001315.154490@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com… > It’s you that’s bringing politics into this group. I didn’t say > anything about politics. If you came into that assumption, then it’s > you that looking at things from a partisan point of view, not me.

I’ll tell ya what. It is politics. So what! This is a political issue that affects lots of us. I am deaf (in one ear) because of nerve damage. One of the most promising areas of stem cell research is in repairing nerves. The idea that a bunch of politicians are not allowing research, or limiting research just so they can grab a few (extra) votes pisses me off no end. I say we spend 86 billion dollars on stem cell rersearch and leave Iraq alone. > I, has an hearing impaired individual that wants to hear better, have > the right to have issues with those that are against something, in this > case, the stem cells research, that would help the hearing-impaired to > hear better. > I didn’t say anything about supporting one party over another. I’d have > had the same beef with DeLay if he had been a Democrat.

You go! > The fact that some of you have responded to my posting in a certain way > shows some of your true colors. That’s it’s you that perceiving these > things from a political point of view out of an habit that you don’t > even realize it…

Oh you must be one of dem dare libruls. I’ll bet ya gots pink flowers in your garden and a commie flag in your garage.

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It’s you that’s bringing politics into this group. I didn’t say anything about politics. If you came into that assumption, then it’s you that looking at things from a partisan point of view, not me. I, has an hearing impaired individual that wants to hear better, have the right to have issues with those that are against something, in this case, the stem cells research, that would help the hearing-impaired to hear better. I didn’t say anything about supporting one party over another. I’d have had the same beef with DeLay if he had been a Democrat. The fact that some of you have responded to my posting in a certain way shows some of your true colors. That’s it’s you that perceiving these things from a political point of view out of an habit that you don’t even realize it…

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Note: Is this guy for real ? Now this ? Maybe it’s a question of that some guys want things to stay the same and not have the boat rocked so they continue to have the so-called "preconceived" power that’s basically based on a certain "mindset", right ? Now repeat after me, "DeLay must go! clap! clap! clap! Delay must go! clap! clap! clap!…" As Vote Nears, DeLay Attacks Bill Expanding Stem Cell Research By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG Published: May 19, 2005 WASHINGTON, May 18 – With a vote on embryonic stem cell research expected as early as next week, the House majority leader vowed on Wednesday to defeat a measure that would expand federal financing of the science. "Once people understand the issue," said the majority leader, Representative Tom DeLay of Texas, "more than 70 percent are against embryonic stem cell research." Mr. DeLay said there would be votes on two competing measures. One, sponsored by Representative Michael N. Castle, Republican of Delaware, would loosen restrictions that President Bush imposed in August 2001 on federal financing of such research. The other, sponsored by Representative Christopher H. Smith, Republican of New Jersey, would encourage research on a different type of stem cell, drawn from umbilical cord blood, by creating a national network of cord-blood banks. Mr. DeLay told reporters that he was "adamantly opposed" to the Castle bill, which has 201 co-sponsors from both parties; 218 votes are required for approval. Mr. Smith’s measure, which Mr. DeLay supports, has 41 co-sponsors. Because embryonic stem cells have the potential to give rise to any cell or tissue in the body, scientists and patients’ advocates say the research offers great prospects for treatments and cures. But to obtain the cells, scientists must destroy human embryos, and so the research also draws intense opposition, particularly from conservatives and the Roman Catholic Church. Mr. Bush’s policy permits the federal government to pay for studies only on those colonies, called lines, of stem cells that were created prior to his 2001 announcement, so as not to encourage the further destruction of embryos. The Castle bill, similar to one sponsored in the Senate by Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, would roll back that restriction, permitting the creation of new lines from embryos that would otherwise be discarded by fertility clinics. The issue prompted intense debate Wednesday within the Republican caucus, which met behind closed doors in late afternoon to discuss it. Some Republicans were seething over a poll conducted by the Winston Group and partly financed by the Republican Main Street Partnership, a group of moderates. Mr. Castle is the partnership’s president. The survey questioned voters in 13 Republican districts and found that 66 percent supported embryonic stem cell research, while 27 percent were opposed. But lawmakers in those districts, including Representative Roy Blunt of Missouri, the third-ranking Republican in the House, were not told about the poll and were caught off guard by it. Mr. Blunt emerged tight-lipped from Wednesday’s meeting, brushing aside questions from supporters, except to say that he did not support Mr. Castle’s bill. As the vote draws closer, interest groups on both sides are gearing up. In addition to its poll, the Republican Main Street Partnership has begun running television advertisements in support of the Castle measure. But the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops released a competing poll saying a majority of Americans, 52 percent, opposed embryonic stem cell research while just 36 percent supported it. On Wednesday, Cardinal William H. Keeler of Baltimore, the American bishops’ chief representative on abortion, sent a letter to all members of Congress saying the Castle bill would encourage large-scale destruction of human embryos, which the church regards as human beings. "I urge you in the strongest possible terms," Cardinal Keeler wrote, "to oppose all destructive and morally offensive proposals of this kind."

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