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I understand why you might question the motives behind publicisng the incident. Also, if the report is just false (i.e. it never happened), then it is right to reject it. However, if it is right then, regardless of the motives for publicising it, the incident itself gives a lot of cause for concern. Isn’t there something here about the sin of giving scandal? Specifically in this case, here’s a person who claims to be Catholic and then behaves in a completely unChristian way. The fact that it might give somebody malicious (no personal comment on VSmith – I’m talking hypothetically now) ammunition for attacking from a different angle merely compounds the original fault – it’s doubly bad.
Okay, smack my nose with this newspaper. I’m still suspicious though, probably because this is a one-sided report for obvious reasons. I had a job where I was verbally and sexually harassed by a Jew who kept going on and on about his Judaism, but I don’t automatically assume all Jews act that way. I don’t go into Jewish newsgroups asking about it. I just know he was a bad *person* and that his Judaism was a side detail.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In my local vicinity there is a female who had her husband leave her several years ago. She loses no opportunity to express publically what a devout Catholic she is, but at the same time is vitriolic about all men and marriage. (snip) Why mention it? Because the Catholic female in question is so overpowering in broadcasting her Roman Catholic affiliations as some form of introductory credential prior to doing more damage. Turn the other cheek. I’ve been doing that for a year now and it’s just the sort of thing she thrives on. You still didn’t answer the question, "Why mention it?" I mean, why should anyone care? This is your personal problem, bud. I respectfully disagree, Steph. VSmith is pointing out the hypocrasy of a Catholic who trumpets her Catholicism as an overture to hatred. That’s a problem for all of us, because it tends to gove catholics a bad name. I read something else into it. Referring to this woman as "a female" who has a "hypnotic" hold on his wife implies to me that he’s afraid that she’s going to turn his wife on him. It certainly dehumanizes the woman in question. Furthermore, it was just a rant against his wife and this "female". I have a lot of suspicions about it.
I understand why you might question the motives behind publicisng the incident. Also, if the report is just false (i.e. it never happened), then it is right to reject it. However, if it is right then, regardless of the motives for publicising it, the incident itself gives a lot of cause for concern. Isn’t there something here about the sin of giving scandal? Specifically in this case, here’s a person who claims to be Catholic and then behaves in a completely unChristian way. The fact that it might give somebody malicious (no personal comment on VSmith – I’m talking hypothetically now) ammunition for attacking from a different angle merely compounds the original fault – it’s doubly bad. Kevin
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In my local vicinity there is a female who had her husband leave her several years ago. She loses no opportunity to express publically what a devout Catholic she is, but at the same time is vitriolic about all men and marriage. (snip) Why mention it? Because the Catholic female in question is so overpowering in broadcasting her Roman Catholic affiliations as some form of introductory credential prior to doing more damage. Turn the other cheek. I’ve been doing that for a year now and it’s just the sort of thing she thrives on. You still didn’t answer the question, "Why mention it?" I mean, why should anyone care? This is your personal problem, bud. I respectfully disagree, Steph. VSmith is pointing out the hypocrasy of a Catholic who trumpets her Catholicism as an overture to hatred. That’s a problem for all of us, because it tends to gove catholics a bad name.
I read something else into it. Referring to this woman as "a female" who has a "hypnotic" hold on his wife implies to me that he’s afraid that she’s going to turn his wife on him. It certainly dehumanizes the woman in question. Furthermore, it was just a rant against his wife and this "female". I have a lot of suspicions about it.
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Snip from Stephanie So again, why should we care?
Absolutely incredible. A continued blind and utter total lack of comprehension or any attempt at understanding the issue. But at least in common with her previous reprehensible post. At least Kevin saw the point in his follow up post but again Stephanie comes back with what can only be described as a blinkered feminist tirade about the poor little dehumanised woman. It can only be read that Stephanie has no issue with the morality of destroying a marriage, just in ensuring that the woman responsible for such is not blamed for perpetrating anything wrong. Snip Referring to this woman as "a female" who has a "hypnotic" hold on his wife
implies to me that he’s afraid that she’s going to turn his wife on him. It was made absolutely 100% clear in the first post that the "female" has already spent a year doing just this. The point being exactly as Kevin recognised, that she did and still does, trumpet Catholocism as her justification. Kevin was absolutely correct in that if seen to be something condoned by the Roman Catholic Church then that church would be ( and in this case is) brought into disrepute. Stephanie also asks why come to the Roman Catholic newsgroup. Totally astounding. She has to be in some other little world of her own. Where else would one go to expect a reasoned response on issues concerning the Roman Catholic religion? Likewise why on earth should a Marriage Guidance Councelor be of use regarding an issue of religion, just another of Stephanie’s `push it away’, `I couldn’t care less’ outputs. Presumably, Roman Catholics utilise the specific Roman Catholic newsgroup to read of, view and air comments on their religion. Not something considered remotely possible by Stepanie it seems: Snip Hmm, I’m not a building….I’m not wearing a roman collar…what makes you think that a newsgroup is "the Church"? This is the equivalent of confessing your personal problems to a bunch of total strangers.
Kevin recognised the issue but Stepanie seems to lack either ability or humanity to see it. It is 100% about someone using the name of the Roman Catholic Church as a prop to their destructive activites. I can only hope that the non understanding and abysmal attitude of Stephanie, is confined to herself. Sincere regards
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As beau so succinctly and selfishly puts it: I mean, why should anyone care? This is your personal problem, bud.
Exactly the reason for the subject heading. Plus why the statement was proposed and the response has truly confirmed it all. A case of don’t come to the Catholic Church for personal support. What we ignore doesn’t exist.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In my local vicinity there is a female who had her husband leave her several years ago. She loses no opportunity to express publically what a devout Catholic she is, but at the same time is vitriolic about all men and marriage. (snip) Why mention it? Because the Catholic female in question is so overpowering in broadcasting her Roman Catholic affiliations as some form of introductory credential prior to doing more damage. Turn the other cheek. I’ve been doing that for a year now and it’s just the sort of thing she thrives on. You still didn’t answer the question, "Why mention it?" I mean, why should anyone care? This is your personal problem, bud.
I respectfully disagree, Steph. VSmith is pointing out the hypocrasy of a Catholic who trumpets her Catholicism as an overture to hatred. That’s a problem for all of us, because it tends to gove catholics a bad name. Kevin
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As beau so succinctly and selfishly puts it: I mean, why should anyone care? This is your personal problem, bud. Exactly the reason for the subject heading. Plus why the statement was proposed and the response has truly confirmed it all. A case of don’t come to the Catholic Church for personal support. What we ignore doesn’t exist.
Hmm, I’m not a building….I’m not wearing a roman collar…what makes you think that a newsgroup is "the Church"? This is the equivalent of confessing your personal problems to a bunch of total strangers. The way you told the story made zero sense and wasn’t asking for suggestions or prayers or anything like that. It was just an extended slag on your wife. So again, why should we care? Go talk to a marriage counselor.
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In my local vicinity there is a female who had her husband leave her several years ago. She loses no opportunity to express publically what a devout Catholic she is, but at the same time is vitriolic about all men and marriage.
Yup and so are Americans because we have people who hate other people though we don’t believe that ok. Wait a minute, doesn’t that mean that some Americans don’t act like Americans should according to their beliefs? That doesn’t detract from the US. Just because a Catholic (or a Christian) doesn’t act as they should, doesn’t imply the entire Church is hypocritical. Just that person. Pax Christi, Pat " He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find it." (Matt. 10:39) (http://members.aol.com/padraic42/Franciscan/devotions.htm) (http://net2.netacc.net/%7Emafg/jtchick/jtc02.htm)
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In my local vicinity there is a female who had her husband leave her several years ago. She loses no opportunity to express publically what a devout Catholic she is, but at the same time is vitriolic about all men and marriage. Her children are indoctrinated with hatred for their father and for the past year she has been encouraging my wife on a similar campaign of hatred. Our marriage is now destroyed and my wife is both verbally and physically abusive, to the extent she is smashing up the house and business built by us over many years. My wife literally adores this woman and speaks of her in glowing terms. It is as though she is hypnotised by her. The woman herself knows the situation and is well aware that she has it in her power to create a healing for the partnership. However she continues, day after day, week after week to lend her aid to utter destruction as opposed to healing. We are not talking of encouraging someone to divorce, because my wife has stated she doesn’t want a divorce, just simply to brick off 2/3 of the house and sell it so she can have the proceeds. Totally irrational and born of a sick mind, especially when you consider the kitchen, toilet and wash facilities are in the half she intends to brick off and sell. Why mention it? Because the Catholic female in question is so overpowering in broadcasting her Roman Catholic affiliations as some form of introductory credential prior to doing more damage. Turn the other cheek. I’ve been doing that for a year now and it’s just the sort of thing she thrives on. Regards Del
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In my local vicinity there is a female who had her husband leave her several years ago. She loses no opportunity to express publically what a devout Catholic she is, but at the same time is vitriolic about all men and marriage.
(snip) Why mention it? Because the Catholic female in question is so overpowering in broadcasting her Roman Catholic affiliations as some form of introductory credential prior to doing more damage. Turn the other cheek. I’ve been doing that for a year now and it’s just the sort of thing she thrives on.
You still didn’t answer the question, "Why mention it?" I mean, why should anyone care? This is your personal problem, bud.
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