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No Janet you have no idea what you are talking about. I have not finished yet with examples. I will soon. Janet does not believe in God, or has the wrong idea of God.
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No Janet you have no idea what you are talking about. I have not finished yet with examples. I will soon. Janet does not believe in God, or has the wrong idea of God.
thank you for the information, and all these years, I was wrong… I assume, though, that this means that you have an obligation to pray for me, yes? thank you. "All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well" Julian of Norwich
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No Dan. You should read my post about Jesus which can’t be refuted. People tried but failed. Also you are denying truth.
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Natural law is a term used to express an universal concept. It means that there are certain precepts, or values, common to all rational civilized men and cultures.
Um, no. If it is NATURAL law, then it has to be present in ALL cultures, or there has to be a very good reason why not: eg a cultural barrier deliberately erected to negate it. Building cities could not have given us the natural law: it is either a part of humanity or it is not. Natural law is sometimes referred to as the law written by God on the heart of man. and women… It is the "natural" inclination to behave in certain ways and avoid others.
No, I don’t think that’s all that accurate, either. It is not a natural inclination to ACT in certain ways, but to know that certain actions are GOOD, (however that is defined), and that some are BAD, (ditto). I would say that these good actions are those which tend toward humanity at its fullest. When positive law (that which is written by formal legislative authorites) fails to condemn an act, yet this act offends the general population, what has been violated is natural law. Natural law is a means to an end. Natural law, by itself, can "save" no one. Natural law is NOT a sacrament, NOR can it forgive sins, NOR can it apply the merits of redemption to man. The END of man is always salvation. Natural law is a means, an aid, to this end.
I would, however, agree with this. What does natural law do? Natural law gives men
Is it absolutely necessary to use exclusive language? the proper inclinations to recognize truth, virtue, and value. As the embodiment of these is in Catholic Church teaching, natural law shows man which is the one true Church.
No. Revealed Law does that: not natural law. Natural law, properly lived, can give us the inclination to recognise the truth that is in the Church, (or the truth in which the church resides) but can no more tell us that the the Catholic Church is the true church than it can tell us the nature of God. It also, by the uneasiness (uneasiness or, at least, what man perceives as uneasiness is the ONLY motivating factor among men. NOTHING else ever causes action which is intentional.) which man experiences when natural law is violated, induces man to seek these values. And, as Jesus assures us, if a man seeks, then he shall find. I used the word "civilized." It is illustrative of my point. THerefore, allow me to develop it a little. Those cultures and nations which do not have medical technology, and therefore suffer from easily curable diseases, invoke our sympathy. Those cultures which kill their children, or mutilate their women are scorned by us.
???? We may scorn the action, but I would not say that these cultures are "uncivilised", in the sense of not having cities, or of not having ancient, and often beautiful cultures. There are practices in those cultures which are abhorrent to the natural law: as there are in this. In each case the culture is "primitive."
It is only "primitive" if you are thinking that what we have now is the pinnacle of civilisation, to which all others should aspire!! That is the thinking which underlay the first scientific anthropology, and it is with us still. It was the thinking that found mental differences among the races, (white people always came out best), that found that men were naturally superior to women, and so on. In the first case, we see the suffering which occurs as a tragedy; in the second it is simply stupid and cruel. What this means is that some "primitiveness" is blameworthy, and some is not. Why? Because some universals of human nature apply to all of us and should be obeyed by all of us. We sense (correctly) taht the universal principles of natural law are there for all to discover and obey.
Then why limit them to "civilised" cultures? Even if not obvious, even if not encouraged by the positive law, even if opposed by positive political law–it still remains written in each man’s heart. Therefore, it is there for any one who wishes to find it. The justifiable repulsion we all feel when Communists and Nazis obey their governments and slaughter their brothers is due to our acknowledgment of the mandates of natural law. "They should ahve known better," we say. We are correct; they did know better. And, if, somehow, they did not, it was their own fault that they did not.
This comes perilously close to a judgement on the souls of others. There is a difference between vincible and invincible ignorance. You might well say that there can be no invincible ignorance of the natural law, but I am not sure about that. Societal conditioning can be very strong. That does not, of course, release US from the need to work for the realisaiton of the natural law in all areas. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The key concept here is that the universals which all men share are binding, understandable, and valid. Speaking "to the heart" is speaking upon the basis of natural law. This is why the force of tradition is so much more powerful than the force of law. Traditions (a tradition which is not supported by natural law is a FASHION. The weakness of this word in our American language is most unfortunate as it hides and disguises a most powerful force in human behavior. Now simply realize that fashions or styles may or may not be accord with natural law.) rightly or wrongly appear to be based upon the Natural Law, and therefore are not changeable. Cunning politicians make their views seem natural; they use the correct language, even if the substance of the words conflicts with the reality of the political position. When you evangelize, you should understand the role and nature of the natural law. It is a powerful weapon and tool. To ullustrate this I shall show how some natural law principles support Catholic positions.
"All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well" Julian of Norwich
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That is a bunch of Garbage. Get behind me Satin. Islam is not a religion, so you are wrong there. And you are going against Catholic Teachings. Enough said for now.
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Islam bashing? Where is your Chritian spirit? I donot think the Catholic Church or any other resonalbe Christian organization would condone these satements.
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Islam bashing? Where is your Chritian spirit? I donot think the Catholic Church or any other resonalbe Christian organization would condone these satements.
No Burns. To those outside the Roman Catholic Church: Believe in the Faith that Jesus Christ gave to His Apostles; accept His Vicar; and be baptized—otherwise you will surely perish. And to all Catholics: In the spirit of true Catholic Ecumenism, let it ever be your mission to make this message known to your non-Catholic friends and associates—otherwise you lack TRUE CHARITY.
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To those outside the Roman Catholic Church:
This would include you as long as you are caught up in the heresy of Feeneyism.
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To those outside the Roman Catholic Church: Believe in the Faith that Jesus Christ gave to His Apostles; accept His Vicar; and be baptized—otherwise you will surely perish.
Chapter and verse please.–macker2
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And to all Catholics: In the spirit of true Catholic Ecumenism, let it ever be your mission to make this message known to your non-Catholic friends and associates—otherwise you lack TRUE CHARITY.
True charity? True charity is going to someone and announce that he is to convert to Catholicism or perish forever? Is this how the Benedict Center carries on its "missionary work"? No wonder I’ve never heard of conversions via the BC 
Dan — "Arguing seldom brings light, for the light is quenched by passion"
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