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: : When our Lord Jesus Christ took prostitute Mary Magdala under His shelter, Wrong. You have made the common mistake of labeling MM a prostitute. You have conflated two close but DISTINCT stories–kindly refer to Luke, chapters 7&8. MM was a woman JEsus cast demons out of. Karen
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"Teresa Bilowus" wrote "Teresa Bilowus" was unable to see her own sins against humanity and me. Pretty big accusation here mate – please list my sins against humanity.
+ I am losing interest in you rather quickly. It seems my only sin against you is to have a difference of opinion. I have every right to be pro-choice. Just like you have every right to be pro-life.
+ OK. + You feel you have a right to be pro-choice. + You also felt pretty strong about me "judging" others by being pro-life…. + Don’t you recall the first comments? I think you’ve said all you have to here. Would you like some scripture to read about self-righteousness?
+ No, thank you. + I don’t need any biblical verse to judge my life against. + If you do, please let me know. + I’ll quote you verses about murder. + You are the fence sitter, refusing to take a side, a choice. You are so wrong. I am not a fence sitter. I take a side, I make a choice. I express myself and speak up for things that I beleive in, and don’t. The difference between you and I is that the decisons and choices I make are for myself. I respect individuality and don’t make decsions and choices for others as you do.
+ How convenient. + You don’t want to get "involved." + People like you don’t want any laws protecting the weak. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are you a catholic? Do you know what the Catholic stance is? What do you think God will say to you at Judgement Day? I pray that on Judgement Day, God will see the humble work I have done whilst on earth. I hope He appreciates the aid work I have done in Romania to help the devestated orphans, I hope He is happy that I have re-united eighteen families who were separated during the Holocaust – …..go tell those familes what you think of me for having an opinion that is different than yours – they’ll soon set you straight about me. Continuing on, I pray that I have been guided by God in setting up Sunday School and an Antioch movement for young catholics at my local parish, and that He will be happy with me for bringing these young people back into the Church. (This program has been going successfully for the past four years with numbers growing each year). I hope that on Judgement Day God will also be happy that I have taken a role in campaiging against industry and commercialism that is threatening His earth and humanity as we know it. If you like we could talk about some of the successes I have achieved in this area. Maybe also, God will be happy with me for standing up against radical femminism which seems set on destroying the family as we know it. (I’m not talking about basic human rights for women – I have campaigned in several countries around the world for this also). The list of issues I do take a stand on goes on….let me know if you want to hear more.
+ Nope. Unlike you, I CAN take a hint. The one thing I’m not so sure about, is whether on Judgement Day, God will condem me for having a difference of opion with you.
+ You and I can differ on many opinions, and God will not judge us on these differences. However, if… if…. you had the chance to help save the life of an innocent, and you chose NOT to get involved – merely because you choose not to judge such things, then…. ( I believe) God may have something to say to you. I certainly can not, will not, have no authority to speak for God. However, as a Catholic, I do know what my church stands for, what my pope pushes for, and what actually is right. + Abortion is murder. + I’m sorry that you can’t see this. + And, I cannot – for the life of me – understand how anyone could give credence to the taking of a life. Go search for your humility mate. + I don’t need any humanity mate. + Whatever that is. H U M I L I T Y – the quality of being humble, modest sense of ones own significance.
+ Ahhhhh. + You meant: "Go search for your humility, mate." + Got it. + Actually, I can play martyr here (as you did above). + My life is presently dedicated to taking care of elderly folks in a Senior Citizen Home. I am retired from the military armed forces, comfortable in my retirement, my home is paid for – and I work 25-30 hours a week at minimum wage — helping these folks. I can honestly say that most of the folks out there love me. I care for them. I take them places. I carry their things. I respect them all (poor and poorer) for who they are, the humanity that they possess. My greatest delight every day is going to work with these people. I always have a smile on my face, and I love life to the fullest. + All life. + Born and unborn. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just so you don’t jump on me for ignoring this passage above – I’m not ignoring it – I have some words to say but don’t have enough time right now to answer. I will tonight.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 5:50 AM "Teresa Bilowus" was unable to see her own sins against humanity and me. Pretty big accusation here mate – please list my sins against humanity. It seems my only sin against you is to have a difference of opinion. I have every right to be pro-choice. Just like you have every right to be pro-life. She judges me and whines when I judge her. Her reaction to me: Well we’re even then. I pity you also…to be locked inside such a closed mind must be torture. + The only sadness I have is that I am right so much of the time and others can’t stand it. It really is a burden to be right consistently, and watch others screw up. I think you’ve said all you have to here. Would you like some scripture to read about self-righteousness? Remember one thing – YOU were the one first to judge here – YOU could not handle that I do not judge women who chose abortion. + My, my, my… + How convenient your memory fails you. + You are the one who jumped on me for choosing to judge those who kill their own children. You are the one who felt that we cannot judge others. You are the one who said I shouldn’t try to be like God and judge those murderers. + Well, I dare to judge. + I dare to make decisions. + I know the difference between shit and shinola. + And, I’ll be glad to explain it to you if you can’t. That I beleive it is their choice was not acceptable to you + How can you sit idly by and watch a mother beat her child to death? + How can you sit idly by and allow sin and corruption to persist. + Yes, this is unacceptable to me. + You are the fence sitter, refusing to take a side, a choice. You are so wrong. I am not a fence sitter. I take a side, I make a choice. I express myself and speak up for things that I beleive in, and don’t. The difference between you and I is that the decisons and choices I make are for myself. I respect individuality and don’t make decsions and choices for others as you do. + When Michael, the Arch-Angel fought Lucifer, you watched. + You sit by, watch the battle, refuse to get involved, and you expect God to pat you on the back at the end of time? and so you immedietely judged me for it. + I hasten to inform you that you cannot sit idly by and be a spectator in life. You must take a stand. You are for or against something. Are you a catholic? Do you know what the Catholic stance is? What do you think God will say to you at Judgement Day? I pray that on Judgement Day, God will see the humble work I have done whilst on earth. I hope He appreciates the aid work I have done in Romania to help the devestated orphans, I hope He is happy that I have re-united eighteen families who were separated during the Holocaust – …..go tell those familes what you think of me for having an opinion that is different than yours – they’ll soon set you straight about me. Continuing on, I pray that I have been guided by God in setting up Sunday School and an Antioch movement for young catholics at my local parish, and that He will be happy with me for bringing these young people back into the Church. (This program has been going successfully for the past four years with numbers growing each year). I hope that on Judgement Day God will also be happy that I have taken a role in campaiging against industry and commercialism that is threatening His earth and humanity as we know it. If you like we could talk about some of the successes I have achieved in this area. Maybe also, God will be happy with me for standing up against radical femminism which seems set on destroying the family as we know it. (I’m not talking about basic human rights for women – I have campaigned in several countries around the world for this also). The list of issues I do take a stand on goes on….let me know if you want to hear more. The one thing I’m not so sure about, is whether on Judgement Day, God will condem me for having a difference of opion with you. + Do you actually think God will approve of your inaction? But hey….you’re the self-appointed judge and jury of the whole NG are’nt you? Go search for your humility mate. I’m sure its not all together lost. + I don’t need any humanity mate. + Whatever that is. H U M I L I T Y – the quality of being humble, modest sense of ones own significance. + I am married, 33 years, to my first wife. + We are quite content together in our religion. + Any words on what I’ve said below? + Justice is a moral virtue that consists in the constant and firm will to give their due to God and neighbor. Justice toward God is called the virtue of religion. Justice towards men disposes one to respect the rights of each, and to establish in human relationships the harmony that promotes equity with regard to the person and to the common good. The just man, often mentioned in the Sacred Scriptures, is distinguished by habitual right thinkingand the uprightness of his conduct otward his neighbor. " You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neigbor." (Lev 19:15) Just so you don’t jump on me for ignoring this passage above – I’m not ignoring it – I have some words to say but don’t have enough time right now to answer. I will tonight. Teresa
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I ask this because I have never known ANYONE who has had an abortion, or even considered it. How many people actually get abortions per day or year? I’d say NOT MANY !!!!! That’s because despite 25 years of the Roe era, people are still ashamed to talk about it. As they should be.
The information is published each year. — Alan Ferris eligo, ergo sum Atheist #1211 EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div. When the only colour is black – the only sound the broken bell THEN talk to me about why. Spike Milligan arc’s Gallery: http://www3.mistral.co.uk/xalan/rogue.htm ICQ UIN: 12811297
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"Teresa Bilowus" was unable to see her own sins against humanity and me. She judges me and whines when I judge her. Her reaction to me: Well we’re even then. I pity you also…to be locked inside such a closed mind must be torture.
+ The only sadness I have is that I am right so much of the time and others can’t stand it. It really is a burden to be right consistently, and watch others screw up. Remember one thing – YOU were the one first to judge here – YOU could not handle that I do not judge women who chose abortion.
+ My, my, my… + How convenient your memory fails you. + You are the one who jumped on me for choosing to judge those who kill their own children. You are the one who felt that we cannot judge others. You are the one who said I shouldn’t try to be like God and judge those murderers. + Well, I dare to judge. + I dare to make decisions. + I know the difference between shit and shinola. + And, I’ll be glad to explain it to you if you can’t. That I beleive it is their choice was not acceptable to you
+ How can you sit idly by and watch a mother beat her child to death? + How can you sit idly by and allow sin and corruption to persist. + Yes, this is unacceptable to me. + You are the fence sitter, refusing to take a side, a choice. + When Michael, the Arch-Angel fought Lucifer, you watched. + You sit by, watch the battle, refuse to get involved, and you expect God to pat you on the back at the end of time? and so you immedietely judged me for it.
+ I hasten to inform you that you cannot sit idly by and be a spectator in life. You must take a stand. You are for or against something. Are you a catholic? Do you know what the Catholic stance is? What do you think God will say to you at Judgement Day? + Do you actually think God will approve of your inaction? But hey….you’re the self-appointed judge and jury of the whole NG are’nt you? Go search for your humility mate. I’m sure its not all together lost.
+ I don’t need any humanity mate. + Whatever that is. + I am married, 33 years, to my first wife. + We are quite content together in our religion. + Any words on what I’ve said below? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + Justice is a moral virtue that consists in the constant and firm will to give their due to God and neighbor. Justice toward God is called the virtue of religion. Justice towards men disposes one to respect the rights of each, and to establish in human relationships the harmony that promotes equity with regard to the person and to the common good. The just man, often mentioned in the Sacred Scriptures, is distinguished by habitual right thinkingand the uprightness of his conduct otward his neighbor. " You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neigbor." (Lev 19:15)
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"Sammy" wrote I ask this because I have never known ANYONE who has had an abortion, or even considered it. How many people actually get abortions per day or year? I’d say NOT MANY !!!!!
+ I believe the number is 4000 a day. + If these numbers don’t move you, then what will?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Teresa Bilowus" wrote … PBarker < wrote .. "Teresa Bilowus" wrote … And who were we to judge? Please remind me. + We are God’s Children, trying to follow His Law. Yes indeed we are all God’s children, but which one of us children has been given the right by God to judge on His behalf? Were you one of those to cast the first stone? If you my friend are completely without sin, then I bow to you and take back my words. Please answer this question. You seem to have ignored the most essential part of this reply post. + Who am I to judge? + I am one of the children of God, following His laws and commandments. + I am a member of society that tries to keep good order. + I am the good Samaritan who tries to help ALL people in need. + I am the one helping to push a stalled car. + I am the one begging for money for the disabled and crippled outside the Kroger’s Store 2 weekends a year.. + I am the one who does not idly stand by and watch the universe go by. I am part of that universe. I make things happen. + I am one of those outside the Abortion Clinic on Main Street in Downtown Dayton where 31,000 children have been butchered. Because of me and others like me, that Abortion Clinic has been closed and purchased lock, stock and sterile scapel – by the St Elizabeth New Life Center that sits next door. + I am the one who screams loudly when I see insult, sin and immorality. + I am not like you who stays inside and wishes morality would be better. I am out there, helping the world. + Every good Christian out to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to another’s statement than to condemn it. But, if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpreatation s that he may be saved. + Justice is a moral virtue that consists in the constant and firm will to give their due to God and neighbor. Justice toward God is called the virtue of religion. Justice towards men disposes one to respect the rights of each, and to establish in human relationships the harmony that promotes equity with regard to the person and to the common good. The just man, often mentioned in the Sacred Scriptures, is distinguished by habitual right thinkingand the uprightness of his conduct otward his neighbor. " You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neigbor." (Lev 19:15) Are you without sin? + No human being is without sin. + This does not excuse us from doing right, judging what is right, and trying to stay on the straight and narrow. When our Lord Jesus Christ took prostitute Mary Magdala under His shelter, you must have been dissapointed that you did not get to stone her. + How dare you JUDGE ME? You are the monster here. + Read what you just said to me. + I await your apology. Did you stand before Christ and tell him about the man-made laws of society? What did He say to you? + Are you for real? + I am waiting for your apology. I am possibaly the most decisive person you will ever meet. Decisions. Not Judgements of other human beings. I do take particular offense to the above comment of yours as your faith in the ability of women seems to be severely lacking here. + Are you judging me again? + We just went over this. + I await your apology again here. Obviously you are still of the dark ages where men make the ‘judgements’ as you call them, for you. + What seems obvious to you — is certainly a sickness. + Are you so unhappy that you feel you are always right? + And if proven wrong, where will you turn? Please only speak for yourself not for others on here – they have a voice of there own. The reason this world remains a fantasy to you is because instead of letting our Lord Jesus guide your path (and beleive me the path of our Lord is more amazing than you can ever imagine) you are busying yourself with your self-appointed taks of judging others. + Excuse me. + Who has judged who several times in your posting? + Do you have a bible? Do You? What language would you like to discuss sripture in my dear – I’ve studied Theology for the last eight years, have spent time with monks in India, with Roman Catholic Priests and Nuns in Rome and have basically dedicated my life to the will of God. I can tell you I don’t need to hide behind passages from the bible to make my point. + Then grow up. + Act like a Christian. + Ask me what I mean by my words. + Don’t tell me what you think I mean. + You tell me you don’t judge others, but look at what you have judged me. + I’m waiting for your apology. But, for your sake I should tell yout this, by far the most essential reference on judging in our bible, is God our Father telling us theat when we judge another, we judge Him. Be careful. Be very careful in your judgement of our Lord. + I have never judged the Lord. + Don’t even accuse me of this. + However, I certainly can determine the difference between right and wrong. I know that murder and abortion are wrong. I know that if you stand by (not judging) then nothing good will happen. You must make a difference by action, not by whining about standing by and not judging. This is it. Your silly answers below are ridiculos. This proves once and for all I don’t need to come back here – you are either too far gone or too blind to see. If you do not beleive in the ever forgiving love our our Lord, then you must not beleive that Gods’ only Son Jesus Christ died on the cross for the sins of the world so that we could be forgiven and enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Your comments conflict with this to the extent that I am now sure I am not talking with someone who has God in their life and their heart. There is nothing I can learn here from you. Shame I thought you could be interesting. + Then do your thang. + Get out while you can. + Otherwise you might have to accept that you are not the only person who is sanctimonious enough to meet Jesus at the end of time. + I pity you.
Well we’re even then. I pity you also…to be locked inside such a closed mind must be torture. Remember one thing – YOU were the one first to judge here – YOU could not handle that I do not judge women who chose abortion. That I beleive it is their choice was not acceptable to you and so you immedietely judged me for it. But hey….you’re the self-appointed judge and jury of the whole NG are’nt you? Go search for your humility mate. I’m sure its not all together lost.
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"Teresa Bilowus" wrote … PBarker < wrote .. "Teresa Bilowus" wrote … And who were we to judge? Please remind me. + We are God’s Children, trying to follow His Law. Yes indeed we are all God’s children, but which one of us children has been given the right by God to judge on His behalf? Were you one of those to cast the first stone? If you my friend are completely without sin, then I bow to you and take back my words. Please answer this question. You seem to have ignored the most essential part of this reply post.
+ Who am I to judge? + I am one of the children of God, following His laws and commandments. + I am a member of society that tries to keep good order. + I am the good Samaritan who tries to help ALL people in need. + I am the one helping to push a stalled car. + I am the one begging for money for the disabled and crippled outside the Kroger’s Store 2 weekends a year.. + I am the one who does not idly stand by and watch the universe go by. I am part of that universe. I make things happen. + I am one of those outside the Abortion Clinic on Main Street in Downtown Dayton where 31,000 children have been butchered. Because of me and others like me, that Abortion Clinic has been closed and purchased lock, stock and sterile scapel – by the St Elizabeth New Life Center that sits next door. + I am the one who screams loudly when I see insult, sin and immorality. + I am not like you who stays inside and wishes morality would be better. I am out there, helping the world. + Every good Christian out to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to another’s statement than to condemn it. But, if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpreatation s that he may be saved. + Justice is a moral virtue that consists in the constant and firm will to give their due to God and neighbor. Justice toward God is called the virtue of religion. Justice towards men disposes one to respect the rights of each, and to establish in human relationships the harmony that promotes equity with regard to the person and to the common good. The just man, often mentioned in the Sacred Scriptures, is distinguished by habitual right thinkingand the uprightness of his conduct otward his neighbor. " You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neigbor." (Lev 19:15) Are you without sin?
+ No human being is without sin. + This does not excuse us from doing right, judging what is right, and trying to stay on the straight and narrow. When our Lord Jesus Christ took prostitute Mary Magdala under His shelter, you must have been dissapointed that you did not get to stone her.
+ How dare you JUDGE ME? You are the monster here. + Read what you just said to me. + I await your apology. Did you stand before Christ and tell him about the man-made laws of society? What did He say to you?
+ Are you for real? + I am waiting for your apology. I am possibaly the most decisive person you will ever meet. Decisions. Not Judgements of other human beings. I do take particular offense to the above comment of yours as your faith in the ability of women seems to be severely lacking here.
+ Are you judging me again? + We just went over this. + I await your apology again here. Obviously you are still of the dark ages where men make the ‘judgements’ as you call them, for you.
+ What seems obvious to you — is certainly a sickness. + Are you so unhappy that you feel you are always right? + And if proven wrong, where will you turn? Please only speak for yourself not for others on here – they have a voice of there own. The reason this world remains a fantasy to you is because instead of letting our Lord Jesus guide your path (and beleive me the path of our Lord is more amazing than you can ever imagine) you are busying yourself with your self-appointed taks of judging others.
+ Excuse me. + Who has judged who several times in your posting? + Do you have a bible? Do You? What language would you like to discuss sripture in my dear – I’ve studied Theology for the last eight years, have spent time with monks in India, with Roman Catholic Priests and Nuns in Rome and have basically dedicated my life to the will of God. I can tell you I don’t need to hide behind passages from the bible to make my point.
+ Then grow up. + Act like a Christian. + Ask me what I mean by my words. + Don’t tell me what you think I mean. + You tell me you don’t judge others, but look at what you have judged me. + I’m waiting for your apology. But, for your sake I should tell yout this, by far the most essential reference on judging in our bible, is God our Father telling us theat when we judge another, we judge Him. Be careful. Be very careful in your judgement of our Lord.
+ I have never judged the Lord. + Don’t even accuse me of this. + However, I certainly can determine the difference between right and wrong. I know that murder and abortion are wrong. I know that if you stand by (not judging) then nothing good will happen. You must make a difference by action, not by whining about standing by and not judging. This is it. Your silly answers below are ridiculos. This proves once and for all I don’t need to come back here – you are either too far gone or too blind to see. If you do not beleive in the ever forgiving love our our Lord, then you must not beleive that Gods’ only Son Jesus Christ died on the cross for the sins of the world so that we could be forgiven and enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Your comments conflict with this to the extent that I am now sure I am not talking with someone who has God in their life and their heart. There is nothing I can learn here from you. Shame I thought you could be interesting.
+ Then do your thang. + Get out while you can. + Otherwise you might have to accept that you are not the only person who is sanctimonious enough to meet Jesus at the end of time. + I pity you.
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I am possibaly the most decisive person you will ever meet. Decisions. Not Judgements of other human beings. I do take particular offense to the above comment of yours as your faith in the ability of women seems to be severely lacking here. Obviously you are still of the dark ages where men make the ‘judgements’ as you call them, for you. Break free of this now! We have the freedom to do this in Western Society and in turn can fight for the opression and torture of women elsewhere. You are not the property of any man. Learn that. Remeber it always.
This reads like Teresa thinks Patsy is a woman, I know he is wet but…. Please only speak for yourself not for others on here – they have a voice of there own. The reason this world remains a fantasy to you is because instead of letting our Lord Jesus guide your path (and beleive me the path of our Lord is more amazing than you can ever imagine) you are busying yourself with your self-appointed taks of judging others.
The hypocrisy is ripe again! She tries to claim to speak for me, she judges me falsely….ahh well the life of an atheist. Every christian kook thinks they know more about your life than you do. — Alan Ferris eligo, ergo sum Atheist #1211 EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div. When the only colour is black – the only sound the broken bell THEN talk to me about why. Spike Milligan arc’s Gallery: http://www3.mistral.co.uk/xalan/rogue.htm ICQ UIN: 12811297
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"Teresa Bilowus" wrote … "Teresa Bilowus" wrote … Hi….I think I missed something here….. And who were we to judge? Please remind me. + We are God’s Children, trying to follow His Law. Yes indeed we are all God’s children, but which one of us children has been given the right by God to judge on His behalf? Were you one of those to cast the first stone? If you my friend are completely without sin, then I bow to you and take back my words.
Please answer this question. You seem to have ignored the most essential part of this reply post. Are you without sin? When our Lord Jesus Christ took prostitute Mary Magdala under His shelter, you must have been dissapointed that you did not get to stone her. Did you stand before Christ and tell him about the man-made laws of society? What did He say to you? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + Do you understand how society works? + In order to have a society that moves in an orderly fashion, we must have laws. We have stop signs for a reason. Stop signs allow for orderly traffic. Without stop signs, the biggest and meanest car goes through. Is this what you think is orderly? Do you think this is best for society? Or…. + Do you actually feel that we do need laws to regulate the orderly flow of society? If you feel we need laws, then you must go to the next step to allow enforcement of laws. We need police, jails and judges. + If you have been totally removed from life, I could understand how you don’t wish to judge others. However, if you ever became a parent to two or more kids, if you are a boss that must divide resources between two employees, if you have ever walked into a restaurant and had to choose between a double cheeseburger or a chicken sandwich, — then you will understand life and judging.
To choose between two things is not judging – it is deciding – deciding what is best for the situation. I don’t go to a restaraunt and ‘judge’ the menu – I decide. + Your silly thoughts are akin to someone who walks into a Ford dealership and asks a salesman to pick out a car for her. If asked which color, you would then say, "Oh – I cannot choose one color over another. Who am I to judge?"
I am possibaly the most decisive person you will ever meet. Decisions. Not Judgements of other human beings. I do take particular offense to the above comment of yours as your faith in the ability of women seems to be severely lacking here. Obviously you are still of the dark ages where men make the ‘judgements’ as you call them, for you. Break free of this now! We have the freedom to do this in Western Society and in turn can fight for the opression and torture of women elsewhere. You are not the property of any man. Learn that. Remeber it always. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + Is this you? + Who are you? A hermit? + Don’t you want to belong to our society? To our society? A society where "religion" has seen the massacre of more men, women and children than any war, all in the name of God. If this is the society you are talking about – no thanks, I’m out. The world I want to live in is where the Love of God reigns supreme over any man made religion, and His saving words are just that, saving.. + When you find this fantasy world, then be sure to describe the sky to the rest of us, since we are unable to find this land of yours.
Then stop judging and open your eyes. Please only speak for yourself not for others on here – they have a voice of there own. The reason this world remains a fantasy to you is because instead of letting our Lord Jesus guide your path (and beleive me the path of our Lord is more amazing than you can ever imagine) you are busying yourself with your self-appointed taks of judging others. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + If so, we ask that you follow simple laws, like respect and following of certain precepts and laws – such as stop signs, not burning our homes, killing our family members, respect for others, etc. While personally, I certainly do not condone abortion, I can only chose not to for myself. I cannot make this decision for anyone else. Nor can you. + In my society, we can make these decisions. Just as we don’t appreciate Timothy McVeigh blowing up 168 people, we don’t want mothers murdering their children. We have respect for life in my society. I respect evey ounce of life on this planet. From the tiniest of ants to the great elephants. From the trees swaying in the wind to the children playing on their swings. This is my choice. I choose to repect all of life. I cannot make you respect the trees, or the ants or any other component of our planet – that respect has got to be your choice or else it is not real. In the same way, how can you think you have the right to make choices for others? Who gave you this right? + God. + There are plenty of examples. + Do you have a bible?
Do You? What language would you like to discuss sripture in my dear – I’ve studied Theology for the last eight years, have spent time with monks in India, with Roman Catholic Priests and Nuns in Rome and have basically dedicated my life to the will of God. I can tell you I don’t need to hide behind passages from the bible to make my point. But, for your sake I should tell yout this, by far the most essential reference on judging in our bible, is God our Father telling us theat when we judge another, we judge Him. Be careful. Be very careful in your judgement of our Lord. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + Look in the Old Testament. + Look under the book, "Judges." + Talk to a fundie. + He’ll let you know we can judge others simply by finding the right verse in the bible. + Do you need this verse? All the babies who are aborted each year + MURDERED each year. + Use the right terminology. accross the world by choice or by force are all together in God’s Heavenly kingdom right now. The women making these choices are still their mothers and will answer to God at the entrance to Heaven. + That is what we hope for, yes. But, you who are so quick to JUDGE, answer me one thing…..Do you beleive that God’s love for those women has strayed? Even a fraction? No my dear, God loves those women just as much as He loves you and I. + Yup, and Adolf Hitler and Ted Bundy are sitting at the right hand of the Father. Sacarsm from one so righteous? Until their dying breath, our Father in Heaven prayed that these mosters would turn to him. Had they of, are you telling me that our gracious God would have turned them away? If you think so, it is you my friend who need to read the bible further.
This is it. Your silly answers below are ridiculos. This proves once and for all I don’t need to come back here – you are either too far gone or too blind to see. If you do not beleive in the ever forgiving love our our Lord, then you must not beleive that Gods’ only Son Jesus Christ died on the cross for the sins of the world so that we could be forgiven and enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Your comments conflict with this to the extent that I am now sure I am not talking with someone who has God in their life and their heart. There is nothing I can learn here from you. Shame I thought you could be interesting. + Sarcasm is just one tool in my tool bag. + One never knows which tool is necessary to flip your switch. Why do you
want to flip my switch. Why create disharmony purposely? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + I do not judge what God will do or not do. + I am not that presumptious. + However, I am pretty sure He knows what is right and wrong. + And since I feel I am also a pretty good judge of character, I feel I can at least see absolute good and absolute evil as opposites. Don’t judge my friend. Until you are walking in their shoes, don’t EVER judge. + Read the Bible. + If you are a fundie, read the first couple of books closely.
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"Teresa Bilowus" wrote … "Teresa Bilowus" wrote … Hi….I think I missed something here….. And who were we to judge? Please remind me. + We are God’s Children, trying to follow His Law. Yes indeed we are all God’s children, but which one of us children has been given the right by God to judge on His behalf? Were you one of those to cast the first stone? If you my friend are completely without sin, then I bow to you and take back my words.
+ Do you understand how society works? + In order to have a society that moves in an orderly fashion, we must have laws. We have stop signs for a reason. Stop signs allow for orderly traffic. Without stop signs, the biggest and meanest car goes through. Is this what you think is orderly? Do you think this is best for society? Or…. + Do you actually feel that we do need laws to regulate the orderly flow of society? If you feel we need laws, then you must go to the next step to allow enforcement of laws. We need police, jails and judges. + If you have been totally removed from life, I could understand how you don’t wish to judge others. However, if you ever became a parent to two or more kids, if you are a boss that must divide resources between two employees, if you have ever walked into a restaurant and had to choose between a double cheeseburger or a chicken sandwich, — then you will understand life and judging. + Your silly thoughts are akin to someone who walks into a Ford dealership and asks a salesman to pick out a car for her. If asked which color, you would then say, "Oh – I cannot choose one color over another. Who am I to judge?" + Is this you? + Who are you? A hermit? + Don’t you want to belong to our society? To our society? A society where "religion" has seen the massacre of more men, women and children than any war, all in the name of God. If this is the society you are talking about – no thanks, I’m out. The world I want to live in is where the Love of God reigns supreme over any man made religion, and His saving words are just that, saving..
+ When you find this fantasy world, then be sure to describe the sky to the rest of us, since we are unable to find this land of yours. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + If so, we ask that you follow simple laws, like respect and following of certain precepts and laws – such as stop signs, not burning our homes, killing our family members, respect for others, etc. While personally, I certainly do not condone abortion, I can only chose not to for myself. I cannot make this decision for anyone else. Nor can you. + In my society, we can make these decisions. Just as we don’t appreciate Timothy McVeigh blowing up 168 people, we don’t want mothers murdering their children. We have respect for life in my society. I respect evey ounce of life on this planet. From the tiniest of ants to the great elephants. From the trees swaying in the wind to the children playing on their swings. This is my choice. I choose to repect all of life. I cannot make you respect the trees, or the ants or any other component of our planet – that respect has got to be your choice or else it is not real. In the same way, how can you think you have the right to make choices for others? Who gave you this right?
+ God. + There are plenty of examples. + Do you have a bible? + Look in the Old Testament. + Look under the book, "Judges." + Talk to a fundie. + He’ll let you know we can judge others simply by finding the right verse in the bible. + Do you need this verse? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All the babies who are aborted each year + MURDERED each year. + Use the right terminology. accross the world by choice or by force are all together in God’s Heavenly kingdom right now. The women making these choices are still their mothers and will answer to God at the entrance to Heaven. + That is what we hope for, yes. But, you who are so quick to JUDGE, answer me one thing…..Do you beleive that God’s love for those women has strayed? Even a fraction? No my dear, God loves those women just as much as He loves you and I. + Yup, and Adolf Hitler and Ted Bundy are sitting at the right hand of the Father. Sacarsm from one so righteous? Until their dying breath, our Father in Heaven prayed that these mosters would turn to him. Had they of, are you telling me that our gracious God would have turned them away? If you think so, it is you my friend who need to read the bible further.
+ Sarcasm is just one tool in my tool bag. + One never knows which tool is necessary to flip your switch. + I do not judge what God will do or not do. + I am not that presumptious. + However, I am pretty sure He knows what is right and wrong. + And since I feel I am also a pretty good judge of character, I feel I can at least see absolute good and absolute evil as opposites. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t judge my friend. Until you are walking in their shoes, don’t EVER judge. + Read the Bible. + If you are a fundie, read the first couple of books closely.
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"Teresa Bilowus" wrote … Hi….I think I missed something here….. And who were we to judge? Please remind me. + We are God’s Children, trying to follow His Law.
Yes indeed we are all God’s children, but which one of us children has been given the right by God to judge on His behalf? Were you one of those to cast the first stone? If you my friend are completely without sin, then I bow to you and take back my words. + Who are you? A hermit? + Don’t you want to belong to our society?
To our society? A society where "religion" has seen the massacre of more men, women and children than any war, all in the name of God. If this is the society you are talking about – no thanks, I’m out. The world I want to live in is where the Love of God reigns supreme over any man made religion, and His saving words are just that, saving.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + If so, we ask that you follow simple laws, like respect and following of certain precepts and laws – such as stop signs, not burning our homes, killing our family members, respect for others, etc. While personally, I certainly do not condone abortion, I can only chose not to for myself. I cannot make this decision for anyone else. Nor can you. + In my society, we can make these decisions. Just as we don’t appreciate Timothy McVeigh blowing up 168 people, we don’t want mothers murdering their children. We have respect for life in my society. I respect evey ounce of life on this planet. From the tiniest of ants to
the great elephants. From the trees swaying in the wind to the children playing on their swings. This is my choice. I choose to repect all of life. I cannot make you respect the trees, or the ants or any other component of our planet – that respect has got to be your choice or else it is not real. In the same way, how can you think you have the right to make choices for others? Who gave you this right? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All the babies who are aborted each year + MURDERED each year. + Use the right terminology. accross the world by choice or by force are all together in God’s Heavenly kingdom right now. The women making these choices are still their mothers and will answer to God at the entrance to Heaven. + That is what we hope for, yes. But, you who are so quick to JUDGE, answer me one thing…..Do you beleive that God’s love for those women has strayed? Even a fraction? No my dear, God loves those women just as much as He loves you and I. + Yup, and Adolf Hitler and Ted Bundy are sitting at the right hand of the Father.
Sacarsm from one so righteous? Until their dying breath, our Father in Heaven prayed that these mosters would turn to him. Had they of, are you telling me that our gracious God would have turned them away? If you think so, it is you my friend who need to read the bible further. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t judge my friend. Until you are walking in their shoes, don’t EVER judge. + Read the Bible. + If you are a fundie, read the first couple of books closely.
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"Teresa Bilowus" wrote … Hi….I think I missed something here….. And who were we to judge? Please remind me.
+ We are God’s Children, trying to follow His Law. + Who are you? A hermit? + Don’t you want to belong to our society? + If so, we ask that you follow simple laws, like respect and following of certain precepts and laws – such as stop signs, not burning our homes, killing our family members, respect for others, etc. While personally, I certainly do not condone abortion, I can only chose not to for myself. I cannot make this decision for anyone else. Nor can you.
+ In my society, we can make these decisions. Just as we don’t appreciate Timothy McVeigh blowing up 168 people, we don’t want mothers murdering their children. We have respect for life in my society. All the babies who are aborted each year
+ MURDERED each year. + Use the right terminology. accross the world by choice or by force are all together in God’s Heavenly kingdom right now. The women making these choices are still their mothers and will answer to God at the entrance to Heaven.
+ That is what we hope for, yes. But, you who are so quick to JUDGE, answer me one thing…..Do you beleive that God’s love for those women has strayed? Even a fraction? No my dear, God loves those women just as much as He loves you and I.
+ Yup, and Adolf Hitler and Ted Bundy are sitting at the right hand of the Father. Don’t judge my friend. Until you are walking in their shoes, don’t EVER judge.
+ Read the Bible. + If you are a fundie, read the first couple of books closely.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi….I think I missed something here….. And who were we to judge? Please remind me. While personally, I certainly do not condone abortion, I can only chose not to for myself. I cannot make this decision for anyone else. Nor can you. All the babies who are aborted each year accross the world by choice or by force are all together in God’s Heavenly kingdom right now. The women making these choices are still their mothers and will answer to God at the entrance to Heaven. But, you who are so quick to JUDGE, answer me one thing…..Do you beleive that God’s love for those women has strayed? Even a fraction? No my dear, God loves those women just as much as He loves you and I. Don’t judge my friend. Until you are walking in their shoes, don’t EVER judge.
So why have you judged me via email? — Alan Ferris eligo, ergo sum Atheist #1211 EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div. When the only colour is black – the only sound the broken bell THEN talk to me about why. Spike Milligan arc’s Gallery: http://www3.mistral.co.uk/xalan/rogue.htm ICQ UIN: 12811297
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Hi….I think I missed something here….. And who were we to judge? Please remind me. While personally, I certainly do not condone abortion, I can only chose not to for myself. I cannot make this decision for anyone else. Nor can you. All the babies who are aborted each year accross the world by choice or by force are all together in God’s Heavenly kingdom right now. The women making these choices are still their mothers and will answer to God at the entrance to Heaven. But, you who are so quick to JUDGE, answer me one thing…..Do you beleive that God’s love for those women has strayed? Even a fraction? No my dear, God loves those women just as much as He loves you and I. Don’t judge my friend. Until you are walking in their shoes, don’t EVER judge. In Love, Teresa
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Amen I HAVE SEEN ABORTIONS ON VIDEO AND SAW PEOPLE PROTESTING FOR ABORTIONS…….BUT I STRONGLY DISAGREE…..IS THAT IN ANY WAY HUMANE?????? IS THAT IN ANY WAY FAIR TO LET A CHILD LIVE FOR NINE MONTHS IN ITS MOTHERS WOMB AND THEN CUT IT UP????? THERE ARE ORPHANAGES IN THIS COUNTRY FOR PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT A CHILD TO GIVE IT UP FOR SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO LOVE IT……ABORTION IS MURDER… YOU CAN’T SUGAR COAT MURDER.. MURDER IS MURDER…. DO AND BREAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS…..MAY HE HAVE PITY ON THEM THAT CRUCIFY THE CHILDREN FOR THEIR OWN FAULTS……WHY I ASK??/ WHY IS THERE NO RESPECT FOR LIFE????? EVERYONE RAISES A FUSS WHEN A PRISONER IS EXECUTED INHUMANELY BUT WHEN A CHILD IS BUTCHERED PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY DEFENDS IT…….THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR COLD BLOODED MURDERERS….I HOPE THOSE ABORTIONISTS HEAR THE CRIES OF THE CHILDREN THAT THEY MURDER EVERY DAY AND I PRAY GOD’S JUDGEMENT BE ON THIS SITUATION……GOD BLESS THE CHILDREN AND GOD PROTECT THEM Godspeed and Pax
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I HAVE SEEN ABORTIONS ON VIDEO AND SAW PEOPLE PROTESTING FOR ABORTIONS…….BUT I STRONGLY DISAGREE…..IS THAT IN ANY WAY HUMANE?????? IS THAT IN ANY WAY FAIR TO LET A CHILD LIVE FOR NINE MONTHS IN ITS MOTHERS WOMB AND THEN CUT IT UP????? THERE ARE ORPHANAGES IN THIS COUNTRY FOR PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT A CHILD TO GIVE IT UP FOR SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO LOVE IT……ABORTION IS MURDER… YOU CAN’T SUGAR COAT MURDER.. MURDER IS MURDER…. DO AND BREAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS…..MAY HE HAVE PITY ON THEM THAT CRUCIFY THE CHILDREN FOR THEIR OWN FAULTS……WHY I ASK??/ WHY IS THERE NO RESPECT FOR LIFE????? EVERYONE RAISES A FUSS WHEN A PRISONER IS EXECUTED INHUMANELY BUT WHEN A CHILD IS BUTCHERED PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY DEFENDS IT…….THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR COLD BLOODED MURDERERS….I HOPE THOSE ABORTIONISTS HEAR THE CRIES OF THE CHILDREN THAT THEY MURDER EVERY DAY AND I PRAY GOD’S JUDGEMENT BE ON THIS SITUATION……GOD BLESS THE CHILDREN AND GOD PROTECT THEM Godspeed and Pax
So lets murder some women instead! Go for it! — Alan Ferris eligo, ergo sum Atheist #1211 EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div. When the only colour is black – the only sound the broken bell THEN talk to me about why. Spike Milligan arc’s Gallery: http://www3.mistral.co.uk/xalan/rogue.htm ICQ UIN: 12811297
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Amen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I HAVE SEEN ABORTIONS ON VIDEO AND SAW PEOPLE PROTESTING FOR ABORTIONS…….BUT I STRONGLY DISAGREE…..IS THAT IN ANY WAY HUMANE?????? IS THAT IN ANY WAY FAIR TO LET A CHILD LIVE FOR NINE MONTHS IN ITS MOTHERS WOMB AND THEN CUT IT UP????? THERE ARE ORPHANAGES IN THIS COUNTRY FOR PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT A CHILD TO GIVE IT UP FOR SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO LOVE IT……ABORTION IS MURDER… YOU CAN’T SUGAR COAT MURDER.. MURDER IS MURDER…. DO AND BREAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS…..MAY HE HAVE PITY ON THEM THAT CRUCIFY THE CHILDREN FOR THEIR OWN FAULTS……WHY I ASK??/ WHY IS THERE NO RESPECT FOR LIFE????? EVERYONE RAISES A FUSS WHEN A PRISONER IS EXECUTED INHUMANELY BUT WHEN A CHILD IS BUTCHERED PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY DEFENDS IT…….THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR COLD BLOODED MURDERERS….I HOPE THOSE ABORTIONISTS HEAR THE CRIES OF THE CHILDREN THAT THEY MURDER EVERY DAY AND I PRAY GOD’S JUDGEMENT BE ON THIS SITUATION……GOD BLESS THE CHILDREN AND GOD PROTECT THEM Godspeed and Pax
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I HAVE SEEN ABORTIONS ON VIDEO AND SAW PEOPLE PROTESTING FOR ABORTIONS…….BUT I STRONGLY DISAGREE…..IS THAT IN ANY WAY HUMANE?????? IS THAT IN ANY WAY FAIR TO LET A CHILD LIVE FOR NINE MONTHS IN ITS MOTHERS WOMB AND THEN CUT IT UP????? THERE ARE ORPHANAGES IN THIS COUNTRY FOR PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT A CHILD TO GIVE IT UP FOR SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO LOVE IT……ABORTION IS MURDER… YOU CAN’T SUGAR COAT MURDER.. MURDER IS MURDER…. DO AND BREAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS…..MAY HE HAVE PITY ON THEM THAT CRUCIFY THE CHILDREN FOR THEIR OWN FAULTS……WHY I ASK??/ WHY IS THERE NO RESPECT FOR LIFE????? EVERYONE RAISES A FUSS WHEN A PRISONER IS EXECUTED INHUMANELY BUT WHEN A CHILD IS BUTCHERED PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY DEFENDS IT…….THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR COLD BLOODED MURDERERS….I HOPE THOSE ABORTIONISTS HEAR THE CRIES OF THE CHILDREN THAT THEY MURDER EVERY DAY AND I PRAY GOD’S JUDGEMENT BE ON THIS SITUATION……GOD BLESS THE CHILDREN AND GOD PROTECT THEM Godspeed and Pax
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"matthew harris" wrote … JESUS LOVES THOSE CHILDREN THAT ARE
+ Everything you say is true. + But….. + Screaming it (in Cap letters) turns some people off and they won’t read it. + People listen to others who speak in a normal manner. + People don’t pay attention to screamers on soap boxes down town. + There are 4000+ abortions in America every day. + Let’s work on these numbers. + Let us make abortions a little more difficult to obtain. + Let’s make them more expensive. + Let’s ensure people have to realize what they are doing – when they do it. + Change will take place. + Bush is now in office. + Change already is taking place.
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