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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also something unrelated but of interest (to me at least): Blue is prescribed in some dioceses of Spain for the Mass of the Immaculate Conception. Blue is not a liturgical color. That is improvisation on their part. I’ve seen blue vestments on January 1 in Diocese of Arlington. I’ve seen them used in place of purple during Advent. But that didn’t make it right. But I guess the bishops are the ones to decide. Hzzz, using blue instead of purple during Advent is pushing things IMHO. I mean, blue for a Marian feast makes sense. But during Advent or Lent? Uh-uh. January 1 was being celebrated as a Marian feast, hence the blue.
I assume people are not sitting there during the Masses wondering if the priest is wearing the right colour or not? Seems very distracting from why people are meant to be at mass. — Alan Ferris eligo, ergo sum Atheist #1211 EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div. When the only colour is black – the only sound the broken bell THEN talk to me about why. Spike Milligan www.arcerland.com ICQ UIN: 12811297
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Blue is not a liturgical color. That is improvisation on their part. Blue isn’t a liturgical color in the US or Canada. However, considering that the GIRM says "The conference of bishops may choose and propose to the Apostolic See adaptations suited to the needs and culture of the peoples", it might very well be approved as a liturgical color in Spain. Suzanne
ok, I stand corrected again!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also something unrelated but of interest (to me at least): Blue is prescribed in some dioceses of Spain for the Mass of the Immaculate Conception. Blue is not a liturgical color. That is improvisation on their part. I’ve seen blue vestments on January 1 in Diocese of Arlington. I’ve seen them used in place of purple during Advent. But that didn’t make it right. But I guess the bishops are the ones to decide.
Hzzz, using blue instead of purple during Advent is pushing things IMHO. I mean, blue for a Marian feast makes sense. But during Advent or Lent? Uh-uh. January 1 was being celebrated as a Marian feast, hence the blue.
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Also something unrelated but of interest (to me at least): Blue is prescribed in some dioceses of Spain for the Mass of the Immaculate Conception. Blue is not a liturgical color. That is improvisation on their part. I’ve seen blue vestments on January 1 in Diocese of Arlington.
I’ve seen them used in place of purple during Advent. But that didn’t make it right. But I guess the bishops are the ones to decide.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also something unrelated but of interest (to me at least): Blue is prescribed in some dioceses of Spain for the Mass of the Immaculate Conception. Blue is not a liturgical color. That is improvisation on their part. I’ve seen blue vestments on January 1 in Diocese of Arlington. I’ve seen them used in place of purple during Advent. But that didn’t make it right. But I guess the bishops are the ones to decide. Hzzz, using blue instead of purple during Advent is pushing things IMHO. I mean, blue for a Marian feast makes sense. But during Advent or Lent? Uh-uh. January 1 was being celebrated as a Marian feast, hence the blue.
I have often seen blue *on* vestments, particularly for Marian feasts, but the vestments were primarily white.
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Also something unrelated but of interest (to me at least): Blue is prescribed in some dioceses of Spain for the Mass of the Immaculate Conception. Blue is not a liturgical color. That is improvisation on their part.
I’ve seen blue vestments on January 1 in Diocese of Arlington.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – According to the rubrics, there are 9 different reasons why black may not be used at a funeral Mass. One of them pertains to the Mass being held on a feast of a double rite (except by special indult). September 15th is The Feast of the Seven Dolors of the Blessed Virgin Mary, where white vestments would normally be worn. The feast is classified as a Double of the Second Class. So….someone please tell me why the priest was wearing purple vestments? Purple is the color of sorrow. It’s also NEVER used for funerals anymore. White is used for funerals. BTW, the Church no longer uses black vestments at all. I was at a funeral at St. Agnes church (which belongs to the archdiocese of Minneapolis/St. Paul) in July and the priest wore black. If the Church doesn’t use black anymore, why were they? It is liturgically incorrect. From http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04134a.htm Black is used in offices for the dead, and on Good Friday. Also something unrelated but of interest (to me at least): Blue is prescribed in some dioceses of Spain for the Mass of the Immaculate Conception. Blue is not a liturgical color. That is improvisation on their part.
Blue isn’t a liturgical color in the US or Canada. However, considering that the GIRM says "The conference of bishops may choose and propose to the Apostolic See adaptations suited to the needs and culture of the peoples", it might very well be approved as a liturgical color in Spain. Suzanne
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Black is used in offices for the dead, and on Good Friday. That Catholic Encyclopedia is from before Vatican II. Black is liturgically incorrect. Not according to the 1975 GIRM, although we use white in my parish. So it would seem, since the GIRM is authoritative. Nonetheless, I’ve never seen black vestments in any church vestry and the vestment factory downtown doesn’t even make them. (I took my friend Fr. Clement down there to buy some vestments once.) Just because I’m curious, I’ll see what the most recent rule on the colour black is. No matter what, purple isn’t acceptable for a funeral though. According to GIRM 308d "Violet is used in Lent and Advent. It may also be worn in offices and Masses for the dead." 308e "Black may be used in Masses for the dead." I haven’t seen black vestments lately but then I rarely deal with vestments. I’m in and out of the sacristy 5-6 times a day so I’ll check the cupboard tomorrow and then I’ll ask Father.
Nope, no black vestment. My Liturgical Calendar (Ordo) from the CCCB has this to say on vestment color at funerals: "Masses for the dead celebrated in white vestments show more clearly the paschal victory that Christians gain over death." That’s all it says, so I guess it’s up to the priest to decide what he wears, in view of the GIRM’s indication that violet and black are allowed. Suzanne
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – According to the rubrics, there are 9 different reasons why black may not be used at a funeral Mass. One of them pertains to the Mass being held on a feast of a double rite (except by special indult). September 15th is The Feast of the Seven Dolors of the Blessed Virgin Mary, where white vestments would normally be worn. The feast is classified as a Double of the Second Class. So….someone please tell me why the priest was wearing purple vestments? Purple is the color of sorrow. It’s also NEVER used for funerals anymore. White is used for funerals. BTW, the Church no longer uses black vestments at all. I was at a funeral at St. Agnes church (which belongs to the archdiocese of Minneapolis/St. Paul) in July and the priest wore black. If the Church doesn’t use black anymore, why were they? It is liturgically incorrect. From http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04134a.htm Black is used in offices for the dead, and on Good Friday.
That Catholic Encyclopedia is from before Vatican II. Black is liturgically incorrect.
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Thank you Suzanne. I stand corrected. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CNN is showing the funeral mass of Barbara Olsen from the Arlington, Virginia cathedral. Someone tell me why the priest is wearing purple vestments? Stephanie, According to the rubrics, there are 9 different reasons why black may not be used at a funeral Mass. One of them pertains to the Mass being held on a feast of a double rite (except by special indult). September 15th is The Feast of the Seven Dolors of the Blessed Virgin Mary, where white vestments would normally be worn. The feast is classified as a Double of the Second Class. So….someone please tell me why the priest was wearing purple vestments? BTW, the Church no longer uses black vestments at all. Black is still a liturgical color for funerals. Most of the time it is not used, but I don’t think it has been retired as a liturgical color. I don’t have any idea why they used purple outside of the Holy Seasons of Lent and Advent — that isn’t proper. That’s not what the GIRM says. http://www.christusrex.org/www1/mcitl/girmch6.html "308. Traditional usage should be retained for the vestment colors. a. White is used in the offices and Masses of the Easter and Christmas seasons; on feasts and memorials of the Lord, other than of his passion; on feasts and memorials of Mary, the angels, saints who were not martyrs, All Saints (1 November), John the Baptist (24 June), John the Evangelist (27 December), the Chair of St. Peter (22 February), and the Conversion of St. Paul (25 January). b. Red is used on Passion Sunday (Palm Sunday) and Good Friday, Pentecost, celebrations of the Lord’s passion, birthday feasts of the apostles and evangelists, and celebrations of martyrs. c. Green is used in the offices and Masses of Ordinary Time. d. Violet is used in Lent and Advent. It may also be worn in offices and Masses for the dead. e. Black may be used in Masses for the dead. f. Rose may be used on <Gaudete Sunday (Third Sunday of Advent) and <Laetare Sunday (Fourth Sunday of Lent). The conference of bishops may choose and propose to the Apostolic See adaptations suited to the needs and culture of peoples. " I know that the last couple of funerals I’ve attended the priest wore white. Suzanne
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – According to the rubrics, there are 9 different reasons why black may not be used at a funeral Mass. One of them pertains to the Mass being held on a feast of a double rite (except by special indult). September 15th is The Feast of the Seven Dolors of the Blessed Virgin Mary, where white vestments would normally be worn. The feast is classified as a Double of the Second Class. So….someone please tell me why the priest was wearing purple vestments? Purple is the color of sorrow. It’s also NEVER used for funerals anymore. White is used for funerals. BTW, the Church no longer uses black vestments at all. I was at a funeral at St. Agnes church (which belongs to the archdiocese of Minneapolis/St. Paul) in July and the priest wore black. If the Church doesn’t use black anymore, why were they? It is liturgically incorrect. From http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04134a.htm Black is used in offices for the dead, and on Good Friday. Also something unrelated but of interest (to me at least): Blue is prescribed in some dioceses of Spain for the Mass of the Immaculate Conception.
Blue is not a liturgical color. That is improvisation on their part.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Black is used in offices for the dead, and on Good Friday. That Catholic Encyclopedia is from before Vatican II. Black is liturgically incorrect. Not according to the 1975 GIRM, although we use white in my parish. So it would seem, since the GIRM is authoritative. Nonetheless, I’ve never seen black vestments in any church vestry and the vestment factory downtown doesn’t even make them. (I took my friend Fr. Clement down there to buy some vestments once.) Just because I’m curious, I’ll see what the most recent rule on the colour black is. No matter what, purple isn’t acceptable for a funeral though.
According to GIRM 308d "Violet is used in Lent and Advent. It may also be worn in offices and Masses for the dead." 308e "Black may be used in Masses for the dead." I haven’t seen black vestments lately but then I rarely deal with vestments. I’m in and out of the sacristy 5-6 times a day so I’ll check the cupboard tomorrow and then I’ll ask Father. According to a website I came across, black has been gradually phased out since Vatican II. It doesn’t mean it’s liturgically incorrect, unless there has been a decree by the CCCB or the NCCB to that effect. I was looking at the decrees Friday and I didn’t see one on vestments…but then I was looking for was the proper way to register an adopted child who’d already been baptized. Suzanne
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It is liturgically incorrect. From http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04134a.htm Black is used in offices for the dead, and on Good Friday. That Catholic Encyclopedia is from before Vatican II. Black is liturgically incorrect.
Whoops…sure is. Thanks.
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Black is used in offices for the dead, and on Good Friday. That Catholic Encyclopedia is from before Vatican II. Black is liturgically incorrect. Not according to the 1975 GIRM, although we use white in my parish.
So it would seem, since the GIRM is authoritative. Nonetheless, I’ve never seen black vestments in any church vestry and the vestment factory downtown doesn’t even make them. (I took my friend Fr. Clement down there to buy some vestments once.) Just because I’m curious, I’ll see what the most recent rule on the colour black is. No matter what, purple isn’t acceptable for a funeral though.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – According to the rubrics, there are 9 different reasons why black may not be used at a funeral Mass. One of them pertains to the Mass being held on a feast of a double rite (except by special indult). September 15th is The Feast of the Seven Dolors of the Blessed Virgin Mary, where white vestments would normally be worn. The feast is classified as a Double of the Second Class. So….someone please tell me why the priest was wearing purple vestments? Purple is the color of sorrow. It’s also NEVER used for funerals anymore. White is used for funerals. BTW, the Church no longer uses black vestments at all. I was at a funeral at St. Agnes church (which belongs to the archdiocese of Minneapolis/St. Paul) in July and the priest wore black. If the Church doesn’t use black anymore, why were they? It is liturgically incorrect. From http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04134a.htm Black is used in offices for the dead, and on Good Friday. That Catholic Encyclopedia is from before Vatican II. Black is liturgically incorrect.
Not according to the 1975 GIRM, although we use white in my parish. Suzanne
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – According to the rubrics, there are 9 different reasons why black may not be used at a funeral Mass. One of them pertains to the Mass being held on a feast of a double rite (except by special indult). September 15th is The Feast of the Seven Dolors of the Blessed Virgin Mary, where white vestments would normally be worn. The feast is classified as a Double of the Second Class. So….someone please tell me why the priest was wearing purple vestments? Purple is the color of sorrow. It’s also NEVER used for funerals anymore. White is used for funerals. BTW, the Church no longer uses black vestments at all. I was at a funeral at St. Agnes church (which belongs to the archdiocese of Minneapolis/St. Paul) in July and the priest wore black. If the Church doesn’t use black anymore, why were they? It is liturgically incorrect.
From http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04134a.htm Black is used in offices for the dead, and on Good Friday. Also something unrelated but of interest (to me at least): Blue is prescribed in some dioceses of Spain for the Mass of the Immaculate Conception.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – According to the rubrics, there are 9 different reasons why black may not be used at a funeral Mass. One of them pertains to the Mass being held on a feast of a double rite (except by special indult). September 15th is The Feast of the Seven Dolors of the Blessed Virgin Mary, where white vestments would normally be worn. The feast is classified as a Double of the Second Class. So….someone please tell me why the priest was wearing purple vestments? Purple is the color of sorrow.
It’s also NEVER used for funerals anymore. White is used for funerals. BTW, the Church no longer uses black vestments at all. I was at a funeral at St. Agnes church (which belongs to the archdiocese of Minneapolis/St. Paul) in July and the priest wore black. If the Church doesn’t use black anymore, why were they?
It is liturgically incorrect.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CNN is showing the funeral mass of Barbara Olsen from the Arlington, Virginia cathedral. Someone tell me why the priest is wearing purple vestments? Stephanie, According to the rubrics, there are 9 different reasons why black may not be used at a funeral Mass. One of them pertains to the Mass being held on a feast of a double rite (except by special indult). September 15th is The Feast of the Seven Dolors of the Blessed Virgin Mary, where white vestments would normally be worn. The feast is classified as a Double of the Second Class. So….someone please tell me why the priest was wearing purple vestments? BTW, the Church no longer uses black vestments at all.
Black is still a liturgical color for funerals. Most of the time it is not used, but I don’t think it has been retired as a liturgical color. I don’t have any idea why they used purple outside of the Holy Seasons of Lent and Advent — that isn’t proper.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CNN is showing the funeral mass of Barbara Olsen from the Arlington, Virginia cathedral. Someone tell me why the priest is wearing purple vestments? Stephanie, According to the rubrics, there are 9 different reasons why black may not be used at a funeral Mass. One of them pertains to the Mass being held on a feast of a double rite (except by special indult). September 15th is The Feast of the Seven Dolors of the Blessed Virgin Mary, where white vestments would normally be worn. The feast is classified as a Double of the Second Class. So….someone please tell me why the priest was wearing purple vestments? BTW, the Church no longer uses black vestments at all. Black is still a liturgical color for funerals. Most of the time it is not used, but I don’t think it has been retired as a liturgical color. I don’t have any idea why they used purple outside of the Holy Seasons of Lent and Advent — that isn’t proper.
That’s not what the GIRM says. http://www.christusrex.org/www1/mcitl/girmch6.html "308. Traditional usage should be retained for the vestment colors. a. White is used in the offices and Masses of the Easter and Christmas seasons; on feasts and memorials of the Lord, other than of his passion; on feasts and memorials of Mary, the angels, saints who were not martyrs, All Saints (1 November), John the Baptist (24 June), John the Evangelist (27 December), the Chair of St. Peter (22 February), and the Conversion of St. Paul (25 January). b. Red is used on Passion Sunday (Palm Sunday) and Good Friday, Pentecost, celebrations of the Lord’s passion, birthday feasts of the apostles and evangelists, and celebrations of martyrs. c. Green is used in the offices and Masses of Ordinary Time. d. Violet is used in Lent and Advent. It may also be worn in offices and Masses for the dead. e. Black may be used in Masses for the dead. f. Rose may be used on <Gaudete Sunday (Third Sunday of Advent) and <Laetare Sunday (Fourth Sunday of Lent). The conference of bishops may choose and propose to the Apostolic See adaptations suited to the needs and culture of peoples. " I know that the last couple of funerals I’ve attended the priest wore white. Suzanne
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CNN is showing the funeral mass of Barbara Olsen from the Arlington, Virginia cathedral. Someone tell me why the priest is wearing purple vestments? Stephanie, According to the rubrics, there are 9 different reasons why black may not be used at a funeral Mass. One of them pertains to the Mass being held on a feast of a double rite (except by special indult). September 15th is The Feast of the Seven Dolors of the Blessed Virgin Mary, where white vestments would normally be worn. The feast is classified as a Double of the Second Class. So….someone please tell me why the priest was wearing purple vestments?
Purple is the color of sorrow. BTW, the Church no longer uses black vestments at all.
I was at a funeral at St. Agnes church (which belongs to the archdiocese of Minneapolis/St. Paul) in July and the priest wore black. If the Church doesn’t use black anymore, why were they? Steve
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CNN is showing the funeral mass of Barbara Olsen from the Arlington, Virginia cathedral. Someone tell me why the priest is wearing purple vestments?
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Readers of alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, hearken unto the words of Stephanie Rendino: CNN is showing the funeral mass of Barbara Olsen from the Arlington, Virginia cathedral. Someone tell me why the priest is wearing purple vestments?
That’s a good question, I thought the Arlington Diocese was fairly conservative. I wouldn’t expect them to make a vestment goof like that. (If indeed it is a goof.) —
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