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Here are several associations of the number 666 with the Roman Catholic Church. The numeric equivalents of Greek letters can be found in the Encyclopedia Brittanica under "Languages of the World", Table 8. The ancient Greek word for "the Latin speaking man" is LATEINOS. L = 30 lambda A = 1 alpha T = 300 tau E = 5 epsilon I = 10 iota N = 50 nu O = 70 omicron S = 200 sigma 666 _ _ The ancient Greek for "The Latin Kingdom" is HE LATINE BASILEIA. BASILEIA is Strong’s #G932 H = no value (transliterated) E = 8 eta L = 30 lambda A = 1 alpha T = 300 tau I = 10 iota N = 50 nu E = 8 eta B = 2 beta A = 1 alpha S = 200 sigma I = 10 iota L = 30 lambda E = 5 epsilon I = 10 iota A = 1 alpha ——- 666 _ The ancient Greek for "Italian Church" is ITALIKA EKKLESIA. EKKLESIA is Strong’s # G1577 I = 10 iota T = 300 tau A = 1 alpha L = 30 lambda I = 10 iota K = 20 kappa A = 1 alpha E = 5 epsilon K = 20 kappa K = 20 kappa L = 30 lambda E = 8 eta S = 200 sigma I = 10 iota A = 1 alpha 666 So here are no less than three relationships of the number 666 with the Roman Catholic Church in Greek. This is in addition to the Latin Papal title of VICARIUS FILII DEI which equates to 666 by adding up the Roman Numeral values of the letters. The english translation is VICAR OF JESUS CHRIST. V = 5 I = 1 C = 100 A = no value R = no value I = 1 U = 5 S = no value 112 F = no value I = 1 L = 50 I = 1 I = 1 53 D = 500 E = no value I = 1 501 LITERAL MEANING: VICARIUS means in place of….112 — 666 This relationship of 666 in both Greek and Latin makes the Papacy the antichrist and the beast from the sea of Rev 13. THE NUMBER 666 AND ANCIENT BABYLON Amulets worn by the pagan sun-worshipping priests of Babylon had the following numeric tables. TABLE 1 -6-32–3-34-35–1 -7-11-27-28–8-30 19-14-16-15-23-24 18-20-22-21-17-13 25-29-10–9-26-12 36–5-33–4–2-31 TABLE 2 -1-32-34–3-35–6 30–8-27-28-11–7 20-24-15-16-13-23 19-17-21-22-18-14 10-26-12–9-29-25 31–4–2-33–5-36 Note that each column or row adds up to 111, making the total of all six columns or rows equal to 666. So the evidence presented here makes 666 a direct link between ancient pagan Babylon and the Roman Catholic Church, which is dominated by pagan practices, and referred to as Babylon in the book of Revelation. This is just a small part of the evidence that makes this relationship apparent. THE WORD ANTI- Look up in Strong’s Concordance word 473 in the Greek dictionary. You will find the the word anti is often used to denote substitution. The Catholic church has essentially confirmed this usage. In the 1994 Catholic Almanac on page 158 there is " the list of men who claimed or exercised the papal office in an uncanonical manner." So these men tried to substitute themselves for the true Pope, and usurp that office, so to speak. The Catholic church denies the papal authority of the men on that list because they attempted a substitute (false) claim on the Papacy. That list is a list of ANTI-POPES! So the word anti can clearly mean a substitute for something. THE WORD ANTICHRIST Antichrist (word 500 in Strong’s Greek dictionary) can be correctly interpreted then, as someone who substitutes himself for Jesus Christ, the Son of God, just as an antipope substituted himself into the office of the Papacy. THE WORDS VICARIOUS AND VICAR Now look up the word vicarious in almost any common dictionary. Here is what you would find in the Webster Handy College Dictionary: "substituting for or, feeling in place of another." A Vicar General is defined in the 1994 Catholic Almanac on page 330 as "a priest or bishop appointed by the bishop of a diocese to serve as his deputy, with ordinary executive power, in the administration of the diocese." So a vicar serves in the place of (substituting for) the bishop, and assumes his power of office for certain duties. So the Papal title of VICAR OF JESUS CHRIST which in Latin is VICARIUS FILII DEI or VICARIUS CHRISTI, means a SUBSTITUTE FOR CHRIST, or assuming the power of God on earth! This is a claim made repeatedly by various Popes and is the very foundation of Roman Catholicism and it’s Papacy. So, by this evidence ANTICHRIST and VICAR OF CHRIST are absolutely identical in meaning!!! They both define one who substitutes himself for God and is a usurper of (making a false claim on) the power of God.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings; I am trying to get information connecting SATAN, LUCIFER, and 666; 001. Is SATAN also LUCIFER? 002. Are there scriptures that state that SATAN is LUCIFER? 003. How is SATAN, if at all, connected with 666? Any biblical substantiations would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, Mephisto. Dear Mephisto: I think you may just be barking up the wrong tree, old boy! This is alt.religion.wicca, and they don’t even believe in that Satan chap at all. You might try a newsgroup more relevantto your line of inquiry, hm? Don’t mean to be a prig, but what you’re looking for isn’t here. Respectfully, Ausar The Everlasting P.S. The Christian orthodoxy will tell you something entirely different about Satan and satanism, so check there, too. It’s good to cross-fertilize your researches. In the year 666 * 3 ie. 1998 the world will recieve a penance that has not been
experienced by mankind before now. Nostradamuses predictions point to this as well as the teachings of fatima and medjugore (two great appearences of the holy virgin mary ) Watch for the sign and when the three days of darkness cross the world stay inside your house under extreme duress and make sure you have prepared a room of strength both in physical terms and spiritual terms. A religious troll.
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I am trying to get information connecting SATAN, LUCIFER, and 666;
as an x-xtian and daughter of a bible scholar, maybe I can help. 001. Is SATAN also LUCIFER?
Two names for the same guy. Lucifer = Lightbringer (Prometheus?) 002. Are there scriptures that state that SATAN is LUCIFER?
Not that I know of. But both names are mentioned in The Book of Revelations, and they seem to be referencing the same person. But I bet you could make a case that they actually are NOT the same person. 003. How is SATAN, if at all, connected with 666?
The Book of Revelations is a (hallucinatory) New Testament account of the end of the world under God’s Judgement. This tribulation is precipitated by the coming of the Anti-Christ, aka The Beast. The number of the Beast is 666. I don’t know the significance of this number and everyone I talk to has a different interpretation. Again, Revelations doesn’t (I don’t think) actually come right out and SAY "The Anti-Christ is an aspect of Satan" but it’s strongly implied that he is the same entity as Lucifer Morningstar. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any biblical substantiations would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, Mephisto.
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The early Christian movement may well have had more in common with a middle eastern terrorist organization Citation, please? You make Jesus sound very warlike, which he emphatically was not.
Instead, I’ll give you some book titles: "Heroes and Heretics" by Barrows and Dunham "Who was Jesus" by G.A. Wells "Man And His Gods" by Homer W. Smith "First Comming"by Joel Carmichael "Paul And The Invention of Christianity" by Hyam Maccoby to name a few. These early "Christians" (Greek word Jesus would probably not comprehend) believed that the end of the old order was at hand – God was going to send forth his Messiah to purge the land of the enemies of God’s people. A new Millenium of righteousness would begin. The "Kingdom of God". Nonsense, and pish tosh!
"pish tosh!?" Evasion. This message is repeated over and over again in the NT despite being sanitized by later interpolators. Yeshua bar Joseph told his followers that some of them-present in that very room, would not taste death before the END came. If Jesus spoke any Greek, which no one will ever know, he would have known perfectly well that "Christ" was the Greek for "Messiah." Both words meant "the Anointed," which might translate today as "God’s Favorite."
The two concepts are essentially different. Messiah carried the connotation of a militant national leader. Christ – again, sanitizes Yeshua of Jewish Nationalism. Jesus preached that God’s domain was — and it is — all around us, all the time, already here if only we had the eyes to see it and the will to serve it. The eschatological slant that you have seized upon was that of John the Baptizer, and to a lesser extent Matthew and Mark — and Jesus rejected, or perhaps a better word would be superseded, John the Baptizer’s eschatology.
A later revisionist interpretation. A continuing effort to resell "Humble Jesus, meek and mild" in the post uprising period after 70 CE. Mark is without a doubt the earliest of the gospels. The Gospel of Thomas, however, may be earlier. Cairns, I like a Yeshua bar Joseph with both his balls still attached. DOWN WITH THE ROMANS!
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The early Christian movement may well have had more in common with a middle eastern terrorist organization than people suspect. Many of Jesus’s followers were Zealots (in Greek: Sicarii which meant "daggermen"). Ask yourself why Peter was carrying a sword in the Garden of Gethsemane. These Zealots were not mere "enthusiasts" for God. They were assassins who murdered people they suspected of collaboration with the Roman occupation. Remember that Jesus told his followers to sell their cloaks and buy swords if they didn’t already have one.
Citation, please? You make Jesus sound very warlike, which he emphatically was not. He also apparently launched an attack against the Temple, which was guarded by troops.
An interesting, if bizarre, interpretation of the cleansing of the Temple myth, I suppose. And, while the Temple did have a few Temple police, they were not "troops" as you or I would understand the term. For one thing, the Romans wouldn’t have stood for it; for another, it wasn’t necessary. No devout Jew would have *dreamed* of "launching an attack against the Temple," and Jesus was if nothing else a very devout Jew. Jesus is eventually crucified by a Roman Court, the punishment for a rebel, not a heretic. If he had been guilty of some crime against the Jewish religion, he would have been stoned to death by order of the Jewish court and the Romans would have watched without lifting a finger.
Very true. You will enjoy Weddig Fricke’s _The Courtmartial of Jesus,_ if you haven’t read it already. These early "Christians" (Greek word Jesus would probably not comprehend) believed that the end of the old order was at hand – God was going to send forth his Messiah to purge the land of the enemies of God’s people. A new Millenium of righteousness would begin. The "Kingdom of God".
Nonsense, and pish tosh! If Jesus spoke any Greek, which no one will ever know, he would have known perfectly well that "Christ" was the Greek for "Messiah." Both words meant "the Anointed," which might translate today as "God’s Favorite." Jesus preached that God’s domain was — and it is — all around us, all the time, already here if only we had the eyes to see it and the will to serve it. The eschatological slant that you have seized upon was that of John the Baptizer, and to a lesser extent Matthew and Mark — and Jesus rejected, or perhaps a better word would be superseded, John the Baptizer’s eschatology. The Jewish Rebellion (66-70 CE) ended with the destruction of Jesus’s original followers. After that, "Christianity" became an increasingly gentile movement and all that "dying savior" stuff was added (the Gospels being written well after Jesus’s death by people who never met him).
You might enjoy this theory: that Mark was the anonymous boy who was present at Gethsemane.
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Actually the ‘end of the world’ was supposed to happen about 2000 years ago….and hasn’t. Call me crazy, but after being 2000 years late I don’t think anything is going to happen. SilverAngel
You’re not crazy. The number 666 is an anagram code for NERO the Roman Emperor. References to "Babylon" in the Book of Revelation are veiled references to the Roman Empire. The early Christian movement may well have had more in common with a middle eastern terrorist organization than people suspect. Many of Jesus’s followers were Zealots (in Greek: Sicarii which meant "daggermen"). Ask yourself why Peter was carrying a sword in the Garden of Gethsemane. These Zealots were not mere "enthusiasts" for God. They were assassins who murdered people they suspected of collaboration with the Roman occupation. Remember that Jesus told his followers to sell their cloaks and buy swords if they didn’t already have one. He also apparently launched an attack against the Temple, which was guarded by troops. Jesus is eventually crucified by a Roman Court, the punishment for a rebel, not a heretic. If he had been guilty of some crime against the Jewish religion, he would have been stoned to death by order of the Jewish court and the Romans would have watched without lifting a finger. These early "Christians" (Greek word Jesus would probably not comprehend) believed that the end of the old order was at hand – God was going to send forth his Messiah to purge the land of the enemies of God’s people. A new Millenium of righteousness would begin. The "Kingdom of God". The Jewish Rebellion (66-70 CE) ended with the destruction of Jesus’s original followers. After that, "Christianity" became an increasingly gentile movement and all that "dying savior" stuff was added (the Gospels being written well after Jesus’s death by people who never met him). I’ve always wondered if the old allegation that Nero "blamed" the Christians for the terrible fire at Rome in 64 CE in order to divert attention from himself, wasn’t merely an echo of anti-Neronian propaganda helped along by a vitriolic Tacitus (who was after all – a Cornelian). Who really knows? Anyway – we missed the "Apocalypse". Cairns, who personally didn’t like Nero. His banquets were, well, TACKY, all those honeyed hummingbird tongues and sweet wines and pigfat. The Romans were really fat people!
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Greetings; I am trying to get information connecting SATAN, LUCIFER, and 666; 001. Is SATAN also LUCIFER? 002. Are there scriptures that state that SATAN is LUCIFER? 003. How is SATAN, if at all, connected with 666? Any biblical substantiations would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, Mephisto.
Dear Mephisto: I think you may just be barking up the wrong tree, old boy! This is alt.religion.wicca, and they don’t even believe in that Satan chap at all. You might try a newsgroup more relevantto your line of inquiry, hm? Don’t mean to be a prig, but what you’re looking for isn’t here. Respectfully, Ausar The Everlasting P.S. The Christian orthodoxy will tell you something entirely different about Satan and satanism, so check there, too. It’s good to cross-fertilize your researches.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 001. Is SATAN also LUCIFER? No. SATAN is also SNOOPY. 002. Are there scriptures that state that SATAN is LUCIFER? Yes. My VCR MANUAL states this. 003. How is SATAN, if at all, connected with 666? By a coaxial cable. Any biblical substantiations would be greatly appreciated. See "Amazing Spiderman" issue 4007.
God and Satan are like two old married people who can’t stand each other and wouldn’t know how to live apart. They have arguments in the grocery store. Cairns
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*****"Life is not worth living without a purpose. Jesus is the purpose that * * makes life worth the living." -Van Gale *
Living for a dead man. Sounds like a DEATH cult to me. I prefer a LIFE cult. Not to be confused with ETERNAL life, which is a species of wishful thinking. All there is is molecules. They constantly change their form. Sometimes it’s me, sometimes it’s a tree. Molecules and, potentially, ecstacy. Cairns, a large mobile colony for oxygen producing bacteria. "Is that a fungus that I see before me?" -Shakespeare, after he metamorphesed as a shitake mushroom
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here are several associations of the number 666 with the Roman Catholic Church. <snip Sigh. Not again. All these associations are made by radical "other" Christians who feel they must prove the evil of Catholicism at any price. Other people look at the same clues and find, oh, organized religion of any and every stripe, disorganized grass-roots Christian groups, the NRA, the ACLU, conservatives, liberals, any given government in the world (including the U.S. government), computers, high technology, the environmental movement and virtually anything they want to.
And, on a more historical plane: At various times the Anti-Christ had been identified to be Nero, Charlemagne, Peter the Great, Napoleon, the Kaiser, Hitler, Stalin, the Ayatollah Kohmmeni, and –my personal favorite — Ronald Wilson Reagan (there are 6 letters each in his first, middle, and last name). The original reference to 666 in Revelation ("Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." – REV13:18) was mentioned only once, and offered no explanation or clues as to how to interpret that number. That frees up individuals and groups to find any reason to label anyone they choose as the anti-Christ. (I personally favor the "historical explanation" that refereneces to the "the Beast" were contemporary veiled attacks on Nero in particular, and the Roman Empire — the new Babylon — in general.) In regards to interpretations involving the papacy: the Roman Catholic Church does not claim that the term Vicar of Christ is to be construed as "Christ’s substitute." The papacy’s claim to authority is as a representative on earth of Peter, first Apostle to Christ — not Christ himself. Although one can claim that the term "Vicar of Christ" can be defined (via Webster’s definition of "vicar") as "substitute of Christ," the Catholic Church itself does not make that claim for the title. A more apt description would be "agent of Christ." Regards, Richard http://www.clark.net/pub/rarnold/
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Didn’t you notice? The world already ended. You just failed to notice. – Bill
Oh, then why didn’t someone wake me up for that?!!!! Damn, I knew I shouldn’t have slept in on that day. 
SilverAngel Name: SilverAngel Age: 22 Gender: Female Locaton: Winston-Salem, NC Quick Description: Gothic Bi Pagan Quote: "Why live in a fantasy world of close-mindedness, when you can have an open-mind and live in reality."
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After all, wouldn’t it be a much greater advertisement for Christianity if the events "predicted" in the book had already been fulfilled? Hm? Actually the ‘end of the world’ was supposed to happen about 2000 years ago….and hasn’t. Call me crazy, but after being 2000 years late I don’t think anything is going to happen.
Didn’t you notice? The world already ended. You just failed to notice. – Bill — In Phase Consulting | WWW: http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~woody 337 W. California #4 | Fax: (818) 502-1467 Glendale, CA 91203 | ICBM: N:34.15′ W:118.25′
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Here are several associations of the number 666 with the Roman Catholic Church.
[snipped extensive list of elaborate calculations] All of which prove that a calculator in idle hands is a dangerous weapon. The proof someone recently posted that Bill Gates is the anti-christ is similarly based and has the virtue of at least being funny. As a former baseball fan, I suppose I should prepare my proof that George Steinbrenner is the anti-christ, the one who brought ruin to the Divine National Pastime. Now, go do something useful with your brain, before it further degenerates from disuse and leads you to concoct more of your ventures into hatred, prejudice, and stereotypes. Blessed Be, Red Deer
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003. How is SATAN, if at all, connected with 666? 666 is the number of man. it is also the number that the bible says that the anti-christ will use (ie. mark of the beast). Satan is not the anti-christ but he is connected with the anti-christ (he basically controlls him) so that is how the number connects with satan. — Chad
Sorry Chad, 666 is an anagram for the name Nero – signifying the Roman Emperor. If you’re waiting for the apocalypse, quit…you missed it. The whole of the Book of Revelations is an attack on Roman tyranny. Cairns, we waited across Hadrian’s Wall for their legions to leave, then we came by night, painted blue, burning their villages and carrying off their women and cattle. They called on their Jewish carpenter god to save them. The cold wind laughed in their faces.
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Greetings; I am trying to get information connecting SATAN, LUCIFER, and 666; 001. Is SATAN also LUCIFER? 002. Are there scriptures that state that SATAN is LUCIFER? 003. How is SATAN, if at all, connected with 666? Any biblical substantiations would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, Mephisto.
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001. Is SATAN also LUCIFER?
No. SATAN is also SNOOPY. 002. Are there scriptures that state that SATAN is LUCIFER?
Yes. My VCR MANUAL states this. 003. How is SATAN, if at all, connected with 666?
By a coaxial cable. Any biblical substantiations would be greatly appreciated.
See "Amazing Spiderman" issue 4007. — __ Kate Orman – "A broad too deep for the small screen"
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As a religious scholar interested in all religions, I thought I would take the time to clear up a bit of this Satan nonsense for anyone interested: There is NO connection between Lucifer and Satan in the Christian Bible, and many Christians are surprised to hear this; it is an apocryphal tradition that was created by the rather repressed and disturbed early Church Fathers. It is only implied that "Lucifer" was an eastern king, who sought to place himself above God and was destroyed. This fallen archangel business is a load of nonsense. Satan is a creation of the early and medieval Church, drawing upon images of Pan and Hern, to victimize the "pagans" in the Roman empire and the Germanic tribes, and the practicioners of the old religion. The Beast in the Book of Revelation refers to the Roman Empire (the greater beast) and the Emperor Domitian (the lesser beast), a meglomaniac who demanded worship and was particularly cruel in his treatment of Christians in the late first century. Indeed, many Christians considered him to be "Nero Redivivus", or Nero resurrected. The number 666 is part of the Hebrew numerological system with its alphabet: Each letter is assigned a numerical value. The Hebrew words "Neron Kaisar" or Nero Caesar, add up to 666 in numerical terms. If the "n" is left off of the first word, the total becomes 616, as "n" had a value of 50. There are early manuscripts which list the number of the beast as 616, which was one way scholars were able to decipher its meaning. Revelation, then, is a letter to a group of Jewish Christians who were suffering under Domitian, written in a coded language that they would be able to identify, using Jewish symbolism the Romans (and everyone else apparently!)would not be able to recognize. It is NOT a prediction of the end of the earth, but rather an observation of the troubled times of the late first century. In short, there isn’t a Satan, a supernatural beast with the number 666, an antichrist, etc. Forget "The Omen". It’s entertaining as fiction, but it has no basis in history or fact. Tim Rayborn Department of Theology and Religious Studies University of Leeds, England
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On Feb 13, 1996, re: Satan, Lucifer, and 666 Greetings; I am trying to get information connecting SATAN, LUCIFER, and 666; 001. Is SATAN also LUCIFER? 002. Are there scriptures that state that SATAN is LUCIFER? 003. How is SATAN, if at all, connected with 666? Any biblical substantiations would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, Mephisto. Get thee to alt.satanism — that’s the better place to ask such questions. Wear your asbestos shorts — they don’t like dumb questions there. Balanone PP FidoNet: Balanone at 1:203/2019 PODS: Balanone at 93:9303/2019 … And God said, Let there be light! And Adam and Eve were blinded. ___ TagDude 0.87 [Unregistered] with 12691 taglines. — : Fidonet: Balanone 1:203/2019 .. speaking for only myself.
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Then you came to the wrong newsgroup. Most Wiccans do not believe in Satan. That is a christian concept not a Wiccan one. You might want to try alt.satanism. I am sure they could give you the information you are looking for. Also the only Lucifer that I know about is from mythology that was a sun god from one of the countries in Europe. (I cannot remember which one it was)
"Lucifer" = "Light bringer", a Roman name for Venus in its morning star aspect, since it appeared before the Sun. SilverAngel
Doug
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Greetings; I am trying to get information connecting SATAN, LUCIFER, and 666;
Then you came to the wrong newsgroup. Most Wiccans do not believe in Satan. That is a christian concept not a Wiccan one. You might want to try alt.satanism. I am sure they could give you the information you are looking for. Also the only Lucifer that I know about is from mythology that was a sun god from one of the countries in Europe. (I cannot remember which one it was) SilverAngel Name: SilverAngel Age: 22 Gender: Female Locaton: Winston-Salem, NC Quick Description: Gothic Bi Pagan Quote: "Why live in a fantasy world of close-mindedness, when you can have an open-mind and live in reality."
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