Catholics & Catholicism

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Contrary to what Roman Catholics are taught, the papal office did NOT originate with Peter. It was centuries before the Bishop of Rome  attempted to dominate the rest of the church, and many centuries before this primacy was generally accepted. Leo the Great’s letter to Favian in 449 was not accepted until the council of Chalcedon had approved it.

Sure it did.  See Mat16:15-19, Mat28:18-20, Jn20:19-23, Acts 15:7, etal. There were eight councils of the church before the schism in 1054 split into Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, when the bishop of Rome and the Patriarch of Constantinople excommunicated each other. None of the eight councils were called by the bishop of Rome, but by the Emperor, who also put his stamp of approval upon their decrees.

And what was the schism over?  Huh, pete?  Actually, the Eastern Church got fed up with the Pope always being selected from the Roman Churhc such that there guy could only be #2. The Catholic Church had the Papacy before 1054, and the Roman Catholic Church carried on afterwards. The Eastern church never accepted Papal supremacy; Rome’s attempt to impose it led to the schism.

Of course they did.  Check it out.  They just got tired of the Pope always being the Bishop of Rome, which cut them out as Rome was the Roman Catholic Church. duke ***** Mat16:17 and the Pope: Jesus said to Peter "Good for you, Simon, for this _truth_ did not come to you from any human being, but was given to you _DIRECTLY_ by my Father in Heaven." *****

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Contrary to what Roman Catholics are taught, the papal office did NOT originate with Peter. It was centuries before the Bishop of Rome  attempted to dominate the rest of the church, and many centuries before this primacy was generally accepted. Leo the Great’s letter to Favian in 449 was not accepted until the council of Chalcedon had approved it. "Leo himself acknowledged that his treatise could not become a rule of faith till it was confirmed by the Bishops." (Dolinger, op.cit,59) There were eight councils of the church before the schism in 1054 split into Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, when the bishop of Rome and the Patriarch of Constantinople excommunicated each other. None of the eight councils were called by the bishop of Rome, but by the Emperor, who also put his stamp of approval upon their decrees. As for the Papal authority Peter Rosa the Catholic historian reminds us. "Pope Pelagius (556-60) talks of heretics separating themselves from the Apostolic See, that is, Rome, Jerusalem, Alexandria plus Constantinople. In the early writings of the hierarchy there is no mention of a special role for the Bishop of Rome, nor yet the special name of ‘POPE’…Of the eighty or so heresies in the first centuries, not one refers to the authority of the Bishop of Rome, not one is settled by the Bishop of Rome…No one attacks the (supreme) authority of the Roman Pontiff, because NO one has heard of it." The Easter Synod of 680 called by pope Agatho was the FIRST ecclesiastical body that asserted the primacy of Rome over the rest of the church, but this was not an ecumenical council of the entire church, so it’s discussion was not generally accepted. As the Catholic historian Peter de Rosa points out: Not one of the early fathers church of the church say in the bible any reference to papal jurisdiction over the church. On the contrary, they take it for granted that bishops, especially metropolitans, have the full right to govern and administer their own territory without any interference from anyone. The Eastern church never accepted Papal supremacy; Rome’s attempt to impose it led to the schism. Peter de Rosa.. Vicars of christ. PeterT

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Contrary to what Roman Catholics are taught, the papal office did NOT originate with Peter. It was centuries before the Bishop of Rome  attempted to dominate the rest of the church, and many centuries before this primacy was generally accepted. Leo the Great’s letter to Favian in 449 was not accepted until the council of Chalcedon had approved it. "Leo himself acknowledged that his treatise could not become a rule of faith till it was confirmed by the Bishops." (Dolinger, op.cit,59) There were eight councils of the church before the schism in 1054 split into Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, when the bishop of Rome and the Patriarch of Constantinople excommunicated each other. None of the eight councils were called by the bishop of Rome, but by the Emperor, who also put his stamp of approval upon their decrees. As for the Papal authority Peter Rosa the Catholic historian reminds us. "Pope Pelagius (556-60) talks of heretics separating themselves from the Apostolic See, that is, Rome, Jerusalem, Alexandria plus Constantinople. In the early writings of the hierarchy there is no mention of a special role for the Bishop of Rome, nor yet the special name of ‘POPE’…Of the eighty or so heresies in the first centuries, not one refers to the authority of the Bishop of Rome, not one is settled by the Bishop of Rome…No one attacks the (supreme) authority of the Roman Pontiff, because NO one has heard of it." The Easter Synod of 680 called by pope Agatho was the FIRST ecclesiastical body that asserted the primacy of Rome over the rest of the church, but this was not an ecumenical council of the entire church, so it’s discussion was not generally accepted. As the Catholic historian Peter de Rosa points out: Not one of the early fathers church of the church say in the bible any reference to papal jurisdiction over the church. On the contrary, they take it for granted that bishops, especially metropolitans, have the full right to govern and administer their own territory without any interference from anyone. The Eastern church never accepted Papal supremacy; Rome’s attempt to impose it led to the schism. Peter de Rosa.. Vicars of christ. PeterT

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