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MEDJUGORJE PRESS BULLETIN – FEB 11, 1998

Question:

in alt.bible.prophecy: You complain about me not answering questions, yet you ignore the questions I have asked you above, one being ‘where in the bible does Jesus speak of His ‘churchs’???

John, why is it that you never answer any of my questions and yet you expect me to answer the questions you throw back to avoid the issue? I seem to recall stating previously that Jesus doesn’t refer to His "churchs" (sic). Now having got that out of the way, will you finally answer my questions?

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JB, One thing is clear here. You keep asking for proof. I liken you to the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus’ day. Give us a sign they demanded, like unto Jonah, and then we will believe.

JB was simply asking for verses to back up the previous posters assertions.  1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.  2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,           and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,           for correction, for instruction in righteousness: JB was not claiming the other poster "is not the son of God". The reason that Jesus didn’t offer proof to all, is that Jesus KNEW THEIR HEARTS. If their heart was right with God, Jesus often showed proof. If they had faith, Jesus often healed them. Lastly, "old bottles aren’t used to hold new wine", hence the Jews would retain their structure until God removes the veil from their eyes. Jesus never said "not to prove", but he did say they would need faith to continue on. God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.

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Jesus’ own credibility plummeted even unto His own death. Death at the hands of those who knew better. At the hands of those who had been given proof. That proof did not save Jesus from crucifixion. It will not save John from your damnation and unbelief.

Well, we’ll never know will we? John hasn’t produced one shred of evidence for any of his claims. And you expect me to accept by faith that there are 21,000 Protestant denominations because John says so? Is he your guru?

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: in alt.bible.prophecy: : : : Don’t suppose you’d like to prove any of those statements, would you? : : Would it make any difference to you? : : Sorry, where did you say those numbers are documented? : : I’m beginning to suspect that you just made them up. : Well, John has shown that he will believe most things he reads. A few : years back he predicted a machine was going to be built that would : solve much of the world’s problems, and that North America’s harvests : would be so low as to create a famine here (a few months before the : largest harvests in the past few decades). : So it is safe to assume that he has made up most of what he tells : us… Eh…James, I didn’t ‘write’ those articles, I only ‘posted’ them because they where interesting. As far as famines go…we’ll see what you have to say when El Nino is finished with us…okay? John —    [P]  /   o<<<<< "PRAY THE HOLY ROSARY" <<<<<o    [F]  / — [[[R]]] —  I extend to you who is reading this .sig the  – [[[A]]] —   /  [A]       "SPECIAL BLESSING" of the "QUEEN OF PEACE"     /  [S]      / [Y]    o<<<<<"Our Lady of Medjugorje"<<<<<o    / [T]

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: in alt.bible.prophecy:

: : in alt.bible.prophecy: : : : : : : Certainly there were many denominations that may trace their roots : : : back to the Catholic church, just as the Catholic church may trace its : : : roots back to the early Apostolic church. However, that does not : : : lessen the fact that the Catholic church itself has also apostacised : : : and was the cause for many of the denominations to appear, as they : : : attempted to guide Christianity back to the truth. : : : : So now you have about 21,000 protestant denominations each claiming to be : : the ‘one true church’ trying to convince the one Roman Catholic : : Church, with it’s 1,000,000,000 billion followers that it’s in error and : : they are all correct. By the way, where in the Bible does Jesus talk about : : His..’Churchs’??? : : : : Amazing where people get their numbers from. 21, 000???? I can get to : : around 500, but 21,000??? : : 500?…that sounds like a lot more than ‘one’…where in the bible does : Jesus speak about His ‘churchs’, you still haven’t answered that : question, I’m surprised because you claim everything is in the bible!!! : : : And they all claim to be the one true church do they? What happened to : : ecumenicism… I thought that put a stop to all that? : : Ecumenism…did that eliminate the Roman Catholic Church as the ‘one : true church’ or are there now ‘many’ true churchs?? : : : As to the 1 billion followers… usually that number includes the : : Protestants as well. Again, where is the number documented? : : The church has there numbers and they don’t include protestants. : : : Don’t suppose you’d like to prove any of those statements, would you? : : Would it make any difference to you? : : Sorry, where did you say those numbers are documented? : I’m beginning to suspect that you just made them up. Where are your ‘500′ denominations ‘documented’? —    [P]  /   o<<<<< "PRAY THE HOLY ROSARY" <<<<<o    [F]  / — [[[R]]] —  I extend to you who is reading this .sig the  – [[[A]]] —   /  [A]       "SPECIAL BLESSING" of the "QUEEN OF PEACE"     /  [S]      / [Y]    o<<<<<"Our Lady of Medjugorje"<<<<<o    / [T]

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: in alt.bible.prophecy:

: : in alt.bible.prophecy: : : : : : : Certainly there were many denominations that may trace their roots : : : back to the Catholic church, just as the Catholic church may trace its : : : roots back to the early Apostolic church. However, that does not : : : lessen the fact that the Catholic church itself has also apostacised : : : and was the cause for many of the denominations to appear, as they : : : attempted to guide Christianity back to the truth. : : : : So now you have about 21,000 protestant denominations each claiming to be : : the ‘one true church’ trying to convince the one Roman Catholic : : Church, with it’s 1,000,000,000 billion followers that it’s in error and : : they are all correct. By the way, where in the Bible does Jesus talk about : : His..’Churchs’??? : : : : Amazing where people get their numbers from. 21, 000???? I can get to : : around 500, but 21,000??? : : 500?…that sounds like a lot more than ‘one’…where in the bible does : Jesus speak about His ‘churchs’, you still haven’t answered that : question, I’m surprised because you claim everything is in the bible!!! : : : And they all claim to be the one true church do they? What happened to : : ecumenicism… I thought that put a stop to all that? : : Ecumenism…did that eliminate the Roman Catholic Church as the ‘one : true church’ or are there now ‘many’ true churchs?? : : : As to the 1 billion followers… usually that number includes the : : Protestants as well. Again, where is the number documented? : : The church has there numbers and they don’t include protestants. : : : Don’t suppose you’d like to prove any of those statements, would you? : : Would it make any difference to you? : : Sorry, where did you say those numbers are documented? : I’m beginning to suspect that you just made them up. You complain about me not answering questions, yet you ignore the questions I have asked you above, one being ‘where in the bible does Jesus speak of His ‘churchs’??? John —    [P]  /   o<<<<< "PRAY THE HOLY ROSARY" <<<<<o    [F]  / — [[[R]]] —  I extend to you who is reading this .sig the  – [[[A]]] —   /  [A]       "SPECIAL BLESSING" of the "QUEEN OF PEACE"     /  [S]      / [Y]    o<<<<<"Our Lady of Medjugorje"<<<<<o    / [T]

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in alt.bible.prophecy: : Don’t suppose you’d like to prove any of those statements, would you? Would it make any difference to you? Sorry, where did you say those numbers are documented? I’m beginning to suspect that you just made them up.

Well, John has shown that he will believe most things he reads. A few years back he predicted a machine was going to be built that would solve much of the world’s problems, and that North America’s harvests would be so low as to create a famine here (a few months before the largest harvests in the past few decades). So it is safe to assume that he has made up most of what he tells us… "Things that are bad for business are bad for people who work for business." Thomas E. Dewey

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (John Lauzon) wrote in alt.bible.prophecy: : (John Lauzon) wrote in alt.bible.prophecy: : : Certainly there were many denominations that may trace their roots : : back to the Catholic church, just as the Catholic church may trace its : : roots back to the early Apostolic church. : So now you have about 21,000 protestant denominations each claiming to be : the ‘one true church’ trying to convince the one Roman Catholic : Church, with it’s 1,000,000,000 billion followers that it’s in error and : they are all correct. By the way, where in the Bible does Jesus talk about : His..’Churchs’??? : Amazing where people get their numbers from. 21, 000???? I can get to : around 500, but 21,000??? 500?…that sounds like a lot more than ‘one’…where in the bible does Jesus speak about His ‘churchs’, you still haven’t answered that question… : As to the 1 billion followers… usually that number includes the : Protestants as well. Again, where is the number documented? The church has there numbers and they don’t include protestants. : Don’t suppose you’d like to prove any of those statements, would you? Would it make any difference to you? Sorry, where did you say those numbers are documented? I’m beginning to suspect that you just made them up. JB, One thing is clear here. You keep asking for proof. I liken you to the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus’ day. Give us a sign they demanded, like unto Jonah, and then we will believe. And weeks before his passion He did, in the bodily resurrection of the dead and decomposed body of Lazarus. And still, even with that proof they did not believe. You have one and the same spirit. Your words say give me proof. Your spirit says even if I see it myself I will not believe. John has tested your own statements for sources of proof and you offer nothing. You are a doubtful man, spreading your seeds of suspicion everywhere. I pray the peace of Christ for you JB, Gene

You need to read the posts, Gene. John has repeatedly made statements which he cannot back up and avoids admitting it by sidestepping the issue or by asking questions in return. The onus of proof has always been on him to justify the statements he has made. To attack me for daring to question his statements is par for the course. If you can’t answer the question, attack the questioner instead. To liken him to Christ is a very strange thing to do. Christ gave many signs of His divinity and of His mission. Also Christ did not go around making ludicrous statements without proof. Interesting that when John doesn’t answer he is likened to Christ, yet you accuse me of not answering and so therefore being a doubtful man. Could it be that you are just a tiny bit prejudiced?

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: 1000 denominations of what… different churchs? Jesus gave us only ‘one’ : Church, His Church, the Roman Catholic Church, with one voice that descends : from the Apostle Peter…His representative on earth…the Pope. : Can you prove the above? : Do you have any evidence of descent from the Apostle Peter? The Churchs records are approximate but indicate a succession of Popes beginning from the time of Peter. Ok, so you can’t prove it.

Prove it you say, prove it. Indeed, as if you would believe even if it were done so. : Do you have any evidence that Peter was a bishop, let alone bishop of : Rome? Would you say that Jesus was a Bishop of the Church? Does that mean that you can’t prove that either?

Refuse to answer questions asked of you. It is easier to ask questions than to give answers that you might have to explain. : Do you have any evidence that God denominated only one church to be : His church? Where in the bible does Jesus mention His ‘churchs’? So that can’t be proven.

Prove it man, prove it. Doubting Thomas was never so boldly defiant. : Do you have any evidence that the Roman Catholic church is truly His : church? Do you have any evidence that another church was formed by Christ and what is it’s name? Wow, no proof for that, either!

Proof? Indeed, not from a believer who professes his faith. He is offering his faith to you, not his proof. Jesus offerred His Life for you. For one with faith, there is sufficient evidence for him to believe. For one requiring proof, no evidence could ever be sufficient. That is that is. : Do you have any evidence that other denominations are not part of His : Church? Do the ‘other’ denominations believe the teachings of His church and are in union with His church than they are part of His church, if not…they are not. Not sure I can even understand that… so I’ll presume that’s a "no" as well. Out of 6 questions you were able to provide answers for…. none! You made 6 statements that you cannot support. You credibility is plummeting.

Jesus’ own credibility plummeted even unto His own death. Death at the hands of those who knew better. At the hands of those who had been given proof. That proof did not save Jesus from crucifixion. It will not save John from your damnation and unbelief. Yet, my prayer for you is peace JB, the peace of Christ. Gene

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (John Lauzon) wrote in alt.bible.prophecy: : (John Lauzon) wrote in alt.bible.prophecy: : : Certainly there were many denominations that may trace their roots : : back to the Catholic church, just as the Catholic church may trace its : : roots back to the early Apostolic church. : So now you have about 21,000 protestant denominations each claiming to be : the ‘one true church’ trying to convince the one Roman Catholic : Church, with it’s 1,000,000,000 billion followers that it’s in error and : they are all correct. By the way, where in the Bible does Jesus talk about : His..’Churchs’??? : Amazing where people get their numbers from. 21, 000???? I can get to : around 500, but 21,000??? 500?…that sounds like a lot more than ‘one’…where in the bible does Jesus speak about His ‘churchs’, you still haven’t answered that question… : As to the 1 billion followers… usually that number includes the : Protestants as well. Again, where is the number documented? The church has there numbers and they don’t include protestants. : Don’t suppose you’d like to prove any of those statements, would you? Would it make any difference to you? Sorry, where did you say those numbers are documented? I’m beginning to suspect that you just made them up.

JB, One thing is clear here. You keep asking for proof. I liken you to the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus’ day. Give us a sign they demanded, like unto Jonah, and then we will believe. And weeks before his passion He did, in the bodily resurrection of the dead and decomposed body of Lazarus. And still, even with that proof they did not believe. You have one and the same spirit. Your words say give me proof. Your spirit says even if I see it myself I will not believe. John has tested your own statements for sources of proof and you offer nothing. You are a doubtful man, spreading your seeds of suspicion everywhere. I pray the peace of Christ for you JB, Gene

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in alt.bible.prophecy: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : in alt.bible.prophecy: : : : Certainly there were many denominations that may trace their roots : : back to the Catholic church, just as the Catholic church may trace its : : roots back to the early Apostolic church. However, that does not : : lessen the fact that the Catholic church itself has also apostacised : : and was the cause for many of the denominations to appear, as they : : attempted to guide Christianity back to the truth. : : So now you have about 21,000 protestant denominations each claiming to be : the ‘one true church’ trying to convince the one Roman Catholic : Church, with it’s 1,000,000,000 billion followers that it’s in error and : they are all correct. By the way, where in the Bible does Jesus talk about : His..’Churchs’??? : : Amazing where people get their numbers from. 21, 000???? I can get to : around 500, but 21,000??? 500?…that sounds like a lot more than ‘one’…where in the bible does Jesus speak about His ‘churchs’, you still haven’t answered that question, I’m surprised because you claim everything is in the bible!!! : And they all claim to be the one true church do they? What happened to : ecumenicism… I thought that put a stop to all that? Ecumenism…did that eliminate the Roman Catholic Church as the ‘one true church’ or are there now ‘many’ true churchs?? : As to the 1 billion followers… usually that number includes the : Protestants as well. Again, where is the number documented? The church has there numbers and they don’t include protestants. : Don’t suppose you’d like to prove any of those statements, would you? Would it make any difference to you?

Sorry, where did you say those numbers are documented? I’m beginning to suspect that you just made them up.

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in alt.bible.prophecy: : Certainly there were many denominations that may trace their roots : back to the Catholic church, just as the Catholic church may trace its : roots back to the early Apostolic church. However, that does not : lessen the fact that the Catholic church itself has also apostacised : and was the cause for many of the denominations to appear, as they : attempted to guide Christianity back to the truth. So now you have about 21,000 protestant denominations each claiming to be the ‘one true church’ trying to convince the one Roman Catholic Church, with it’s 1,000,000,000 billion followers that it’s in error and they are all correct. By the way, where in the Bible does Jesus talk about His..’Churchs’???

Amazing where people get their numbers from. 21, 000???? I can get to around 500, but 21,000??? Didn’t you say in your post of Feb 18th that there were only 1,000 denominations? What happened? Did you just discover another 20, 000? And you expect people to believe your recommendation of Medjugorje? Just where is that number documented? And they all claim to be the one true church do they? What happened to ecumenicism… I thought that put a stop to all that? As to the 1 billion followers… usually that number includes the Protestants as well. Again, where is the number documented? Don’t suppose you’d like to prove any of those statements, would you?

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: in alt.bible.prophecy:

: : : Certainly there were many denominations that may trace their roots : : back to the Catholic church, just as the Catholic church may trace its : : roots back to the early Apostolic church. However, that does not : : lessen the fact that the Catholic church itself has also apostacised : : and was the cause for many of the denominations to appear, as they : : attempted to guide Christianity back to the truth. : : So now you have about 21,000 protestant denominations each claiming to be : the ‘one true church’ trying to convince the one Roman Catholic : Church, with it’s 1,000,000,000 billion followers that it’s in error and : they are all correct. By the way, where in the Bible does Jesus talk about : His..’Churchs’??? : : Amazing where people get their numbers from. 21, 000???? I can get to : around 500, but 21,000??? 500?…that sounds like a lot more than ‘one’…where in the bible does Jesus speak about His ‘churchs’, you still haven’t answered that question, I’m surprised because you claim everything is in the bible!!! : And they all claim to be the one true church do they? What happened to : ecumenicism… I thought that put a stop to all that? Ecumenism…did that eliminate the Roman Catholic Church as the ‘one true church’ or are there now ‘many’ true churchs?? : As to the 1 billion followers… usually that number includes the : Protestants as well. Again, where is the number documented? The church has there numbers and they don’t include protestants. : Don’t suppose you’d like to prove any of those statements, would you? Would it make any difference to you? John —    [P]  /   o<<<<< "PRAY THE HOLY ROSARY" <<<<<o    [F]  / — [[[R]]] —  I extend to you who is reading this .sig the  – [[[A]]] —   /  [A]       "SPECIAL BLESSING" of the "QUEEN OF PEACE"     /  [S]      / [Y]    o<<<<<"Our Lady of Medjugorje"<<<<<o    / [T]

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Just a point, but there is no succession from Peter to John Paul II. The line is broken not only physically, but spiritually also. Since you’ve made the claim, tell me, just where did it break?

Sure, no problem, here is just a few places (I don’t want to overwhelm you with too much): Who was pope between 309-311; 638-640; 1292-1294, and; 1314-1316? What about 1415-1417, was that Benedict XIII? What about 625-638?  That was Honorius I, the pope that was declared a heretic. Does he still count? If you need any more, let me know… but I think that should suffice.

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joyce says: The bible also speaks against forbidding to marry.  Why doesn’t the RCC allow nuns and priests to marry and have normal relations with grownups.

These are just rules for a specific vocation. Anyone can marry. But not everyone can be a nun or a priest. The Catholic Church has elevated marriage to a sacrament – and they are the only Christian religion that absolutely forbids divorce. Yup – that’s how much we hate marriage. BAM

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joyce asks: If Peter was the first Pope why don’t your popes have wives.  Peter did.

Because peter was married when Jesus picked him. But these are ridiculous questions. You are attacking the Catholic Church because you blame it for your sexual guilt. BAM

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : 1000 denominations of what… different churchs? Jesus gave us only : ‘one’ : : Church, His Church, the Roman Catholic Church, with one voice that : descends : : from the Apostle Peter…His representative on earth…the Pope. : : And where do you find any authority from J.C. that He gave us the R.C. : : church? : : The "church" did not exist for centuries after his death (and/or : resurrection). : The Church (with a capital "C") began before Christ’s death, with his12 : apostles, and continued on in apostolic manner with successors : to their leader, Peter, ending with our current Pope, John Paul II. If a river branches into the many streams of a delta, are they not still part of the same river? So you acknowledge the Catholic Church as the source ofall present denominations – even the apostate ones.  If not, where did they branch from, the Baptist church of America?

Certainly there were many denominations that may trace their roots back to the Catholic church, just as the Catholic church may trace its roots back to the early Apostolic church. However, that does not lessen the fact that the Catholic church itself has also apostacised and was the cause for many of the denominations to appear, as they attempted to guide Christianity back to the truth.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Johnson) wrote in alt.bible.prophecy: : : 1000 denominations of what… different churchs? Jesus gave us only : ‘one’ : : Church, His Church, the Roman Catholic Church, with one voice that : descends : : from the Apostle Peter…His representative on earth…the Pope. : : And where do you find any authority from J.C. that He gave us the R.C. : : church? : : The "church" did not exist for centuries after his death (and/or : resurrection). : The Church (with a capital "C") began before Christ’s death, with his12 : apostles, and continued on in apostolic manner with successors : to their leader, Peter, ending with our current Pope, John Paul II. If a river branches into the many streams of a delta, are they not still part of the same river? Just a point, but there is no succession from Peter to John Paul II. The line is broken not only physically, but spiritually also.

Since you’ve made the claim, tell me, just where did it break?

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: : : 1000 denominations of what… different churchs? Jesus gave us only : : ‘one’ : : : Church, His Church, the Roman Catholic Church, with one voice that : : descends : : : from the Apostle Peter…His representative on earth…the Pope. : : : : And where do you find any authority from J.C. that He gave us the R.C. : : : : church? : : : : The "church" did not exist for centuries after his death (and/or : : resurrection). : : The Church (with a capital "C") began before Christ’s death, with his12 : : apostles, and continued on in apostolic manner with successors : : to their leader, Peter, ending with our current Pope, John Paul II. : If a river branches into the many streams of a delta, are they not still : part of the same river? : — Where in the bible does Jesus talk about His ‘Churchs’?? John —    [P]  /   o<<<<< "PRAY THE HOLY ROSARY" <<<<<o    [F]  / — [[[R]]] —  I extend to you who is reading this .sig the  – [[[A]]] —   /  [A]       "SPECIAL BLESSING" of the "QUEEN OF PEACE"     /  [S]      / [Y]    o<<<<<"Our Lady of Medjugorje"<<<<<o    / [T]

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: : : : 1000 denominations of what… different churchs? Jesus gave us : only : : ‘one’ : : : Church, His Church, the Roman Catholic Church, with one voice : that : : descends : : : from the Apostle Peter…His representative on earth…the Pope. : : : : : And where do you find any authority from J.C. that He gave us the : R.C. : : : : church? : : : : The "church" did not exist for centuries after his death (and/or : : resurrection). : : : The Church (with a capital "C") began before Christ’s death, with : his12 : : apostles, and continued on in apostolic manner with successors : : to their leader, Peter, ending with our current Pope, John Paul II. : : If a river branches into the many streams of a delta, are they not : still : part of the same river? : : So you acknowledge the Catholic Church as the source ofall present : denominations – even the apostate ones.  If not, : where did they branch from, the Baptist church of America? : Certainly there were many denominations that may trace their roots : back to the Catholic church, just as the Catholic church may trace its : roots back to the early Apostolic church. However, that does not : lessen the fact that the Catholic church itself has also apostacised : and was the cause for many of the denominations to appear, as they : attempted to guide Christianity back to the truth. So now you have about 21,000 protestant denominations each claiming to be the ‘one true church’ trying to convince the one Roman Catholic Church, with it’s 1,000,000,000 billion followers that it’s in error and they are all correct. By the way, where in the Bible does Jesus talk about His..’Churchs’??? John —    [P]  /   o<<<<< "PRAY THE HOLY ROSARY" <<<<<o    [F]  / — [[[R]]] —  I extend to you who is reading this .sig the  – [[[A]]] —   /  [A]       "SPECIAL BLESSING" of the "QUEEN OF PEACE"     /  [S]      / [Y]    o<<<<<"Our Lady of Medjugorje"<<<<<o    / [T]

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : 1000 denominations of what… different churchs? Jesus gave us only : ‘one’ : : Church, His Church, the Roman Catholic Church, with one voice that : descends : : from the Apostle Peter…His representative on earth…the Pope. : : And where do you find any authority from J.C. that He gave us the R.C. : : church? : : The "church" did not exist for centuries after his death (and/or : resurrection). : The Church (with a capital "C") began before Christ’s death, with his12 : apostles, and continued on in apostolic manner with successors : to their leader, Peter, ending with our current Pope, John Paul II. If a river branches into the many streams of a delta, are they not still part of the same river?

So you acknowledge the Catholic Church as the source ofall present denominations – even the apostate ones.  If not, where did they branch from, the Baptist church of America?

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Johnson) wrote in alt.bible.prophecy: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : 1000 denominations of what… different churchs? Jesus gave us only : ‘one’ : : Church, His Church, the Roman Catholic Church, with one voice that : descends : : from the Apostle Peter…His representative on earth…the Pope. : : And where do you find any authority from J.C. that He gave us the R.C. : : church? : : The "church" did not exist for centuries after his death (and/or : resurrection). : The Church (with a capital "C") began before Christ’s death, with his12 : apostles, and continued on in apostolic manner with successors : to their leader, Peter, ending with our current Pope, John Paul II. If a river branches into the many streams of a delta, are they not still part of the same river?

Just a point, but there is no succession from Peter to John Paul II. The line is broken not only physically, but spiritually also.

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How can it be "Mary" in Medjugorje??? The Bible says SHE

Thanks for the SPAM Nick.

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: : 1000 denominations of what… different churchs? Jesus gave us only : ‘one’ : : Church, His Church, the Roman Catholic Church, with one voice that : descends : : from the Apostle Peter…His representative on earth…the Pope. : : And where do you find any authority from J.C. that He gave us the R.C. : : church? : : The "church" did not exist for centuries after his death (and/or : resurrection). : The Church (with a capital "C") began before Christ’s death, with his12 : apostles, and continued on in apostolic manner with successors : to their leader, Peter, ending with our current Pope, John Paul II. If a river branches into the many streams of a delta, are they not still part of the same river? —         ***  Executive Director, Toronto Free-Net Inc.  ***

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james (g) says: Ignoring the fact that there is NO Hebrew word for "church"….

Well that’s not too hard to understand – it’s like saying there was no Indian word for telescope. This is Catholic shortform for: create a hierarchy of pope, cardinals, bishops, priests, nuns, deacons, theologians,

Of course the Jews never had any hierarchy? Do you know anything about Judaism? and by all means, keep God away from the people,

There’s a laugher. play down all links to Judaism and portray Y’shua and Miriam as blue eyed, blonde haired Europeans…

We claim that the Mass is the closest thing to Judaic practices of Jesus’ time than anything in existence today. And the second part of your statement is patent nonsense. BAM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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