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>> BABALON 156 *** SHEDONA 435  | shed…@intrepid.net >> Exorcist/Exorcism: The Blind Leading the Blind

Keyword = Santa To point out the mindcontrol  puppet / pet on a leash / impaired zombie / semi-death /  fouling the free-will confusion, tricks, and conspiracy going on, whatever the truth of it turns out to be. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ruleone http://wholives.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Paste Follows: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Subject: Re: Roman Catholic Exorcism Newsgroups: news:alt.christnet.demonology Submitted by: Anonymous Garibaldi <"23@90"@loc.com wrote in message

<628ch5$r3…@news.mia.bellsouth.net… Mickey wrote:

Greg,          I was exorcised in 1979.  It did not work.  Let’s band together, and see if we can come up with some answers.  From what I understand, the catholic church has disbanded most of it’s exorcism personnel, for some strange reason, in these last days.  Either exorcism does not work, or either they dont want any responsibility. Hang in there, and let me know if I can help (support). There is a good reason,the Citadel of the Lord has being taken by the Enemy,naturally he does not want to have exorcists around.     I recently became acquainted with a woman who went to the catholic church seeking an exorcist.  She was immediately recommended for psychiatric evaluation.  They told her that if she could pass that test, then they would consider an exorcism.     I was not surprised.  Here, below, is the attachment that I sent her: Faith wrote:

Hey "mickey" — I hope you’re still reading because I’m coming in on this one a little late … >mickey wrote: >My local minister, after intense exorcism failed, 20 years ago, >started : snarling at me, telling me that I was living in sin, which is >why they   weren’t leaving. Faith wrote:

Same story 100 times over, different day.  Isn’t it funny how they all do that?  They can’t *DO* it, so they want *you* to pander to their need for reassurance by *faking* like it’s over.  But you *can’t* fake, because the TORTURE won’t stop.  And because you *can’t* fake, they interpret that as being you *WON’T* fake.  But instead of "fake", they call it "acknowledge God’s power" or something like that (only it isn’t "God"’s ANYTHING; it would just be *FAKING*!) So they accuse YOU of being stubborn, obstinate, rebellious, cooperating with "the Enemy".  A friend of Mine and I came up with a term for this sudden, snarling 180-degree turnabout maneuver some twelve years ago.  We called it "RESORTING." So they Resort.  They Resort to casting YOU out because they can’t cast "Them" out. But see, here’s the deal, mikey.  The reason they do this is that their failure at exorcism sets up for THEM the very same theological paradox your experience of possession set up for you.  And they cannot handle it.  It utterly, completely terrifies them — the haunting, endless questions, the roller-coaster logic, the ping-pong back and forth between "blaming God" and "blaming one’s self".  What is the paradox?  In a nutshell, this:  by all experiential reality, the "God who cannot lie" suddenly has; the "God who keeps his promises" suddenly doesn’t; the "God alone who can save" suddenly won’t, or can’t, or chooses not to — but what do the "whys" matter when you’re in PAIN??? — for whatever reason, IT ISN’T HAPPENING!  WHAM, theological impasse.  And no way out — for you.  But for the little man of the cloth, the way out is easy:  get rid of the *source* of all this troublesome, harrowing, horrifying analytical questioning before it destroys his faith. You know, I have a feeling all this happened before — mythically speaking, when a certain Brilliant Leader was hurled from the gates of His home, down through the starry skies … Mickey wrote: >Well, this was a condemnation call.  I then had no >hope whatsoever, for relief, since 1979.  Well, I now >feel that my experience is as a witness, for a testimony, >which is the only reason that I have made it this far. Faith wrote:

Been there, done that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  The following is an attachment; a testimony that I received from  a 28 >year old woman, from the internet.  We share similar experience, as you > will read.  Attachment follows: >Shiloh wrote: >I am reading a lot about people and their experience with being >labeled d+m+n-p+ssessed. I too was labeled d+mo+n p+sss-ssed >this summer.  I went through three months of intense ex+rc-sm.  Each >time coming out of the "session" with such a longing to die that I would >immediately seek refuge in the comfort of my warm blood.  I know this >probably sounds weird, but this is just what I did.  It was either >that, or standing in the middle of a river at midnight trying to wash >(baptize) myself clean.  After three months of this literal h+ll I >have arisen from the dead into the light that says that I now have >even more alters than when I started working with this religious >freak.  I was convinced that S=tan was inside of me and so were a lot >of my alters.  I am now worse off than I ever was as far as >unification and therapy progression goes.  So, all you religious >experts on p+ssessi*n and d*m*n*ology Tell me, if dem*n p*ssessi*n is >the cause of my multiplicty than why am I even more "multiple" after >such intense exorcism? and let me tell you of the reality of this >fragmented dwelling- My multiplicity is the full fledged product of >the hypocrytic church, quite contrary to your view of my submission to >S*t*n and his angels. Faith wrote:

This really hits home.  Tell Shiloh I’ve been integrated for nearly two years now and LOVING it.  If you are interested, either you or Shiloh or both can drop Me a line at fai…@ifaithd.net and we can continue this conversation "privately".  Contrary to popular opinion, the Master and I are here to heal, not to hassle. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One comment here:       Here, Faith would appear to have sold-out, sided with the devil in order to stop the pain. The devil is a liar, and he works using deceit. I’ve seen this in my own life, where Satan attempted to try and make me think that I was siding with him, summoning him, conjuring him, selling soul. This is all just another one of this tricks, nothing but a lie. Dont’ fall for it. A person who is demon possessed cannot be held accountable, nor credible. Not capable of thought or reaction. Who lived, at the time? A demon.  None of this was ever her free-will, and why would free-will ever come into the picture, in such situations?  The demon that was present used a trick, to try and sell her out; he made her think that she was going along with it, just another lie. Faith was nothing more that a impaired zombie, a puppet, semi-dead,  paralyzed, incapable of anything, in my own opinion and experience. Quote, "Lets make her think to sell her soul to Santa". "Who shall see it?"  It’s just another mindcontrol technique, for the zombie impaired sub-concious puppets.  Man, blinded pets on a leash. Who shall see it?  Mickey sees it! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ someone else had written: I believe there are a number of failures in the Catholic shedona approach to exorcism. Failure #1: Personalization of the exorist with the demon. The Catholic Church seems to view the act of exorcism as some kind of battle between the exorcist and the possessing entity. The possessed seems to be treated like an incidental character. Failure #2: Authoritarianism. The Catholic Church places authority in the hands of the Bishop. Failure #3: Ritualization. The Rituale Romanum is fraught with ritual which limits the ability of the exorcist to perform the exorcism. I believe the Catholic Church ought to go back and visit the exorcist ceremonies performed by Jesus and his apostles. They’d find no personalization, authority only from God/Jesus, minimal ritualization beyond: 1. Identifying the offending entity through interrogation. 2. Praying about the possession. 3. Using God’s/Jesus’ authority to exorcise the extity [this might include instructing the entity on where to go and where it cannot go.]

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I saved this post, at: http://wholives.com/files/research/catholicexorcism.htm "av7x" <a…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:BMadnWrRxrfSfT3cRVn-jA@eatel.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> BABALON 156 *** SHEDONA 435  | shed…@intrepid.net > >> Exorcist/Exorcism: The Blind Leading the Blind > Keyword = Santa > To point out the mindcontrol  puppet / pet on a leash / impaired > zombie / semi-death /  fouling the free-will confusion, tricks, and > conspiracy going on, whatever the truth of it turns out to be. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ruleone > http://wholives.com > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Paste Follows: > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Subject: Re: Roman Catholic Exorcism > Newsgroups: news:alt.christnet.demonology > Submitted by: Anonymous > Garibaldi <"23@90"@loc.com wrote in message > <628ch5$r3…@news.mia.bellsouth.net… > Mickey wrote: > Greg, >          I was exorcised in 1979.  It did not work.  Let’s band together, > and > see if we can come up with some answers.  From what I understand, the > catholic church has disbanded most of it’s exorcism personnel, for some > strange reason, in these last days.  Either exorcism does not work, or > either they dont want any responsibility. > Hang in there, and let me know if I can help (support). > There is a good reason,the Citadel of the Lord has being taken by the > Enemy,naturally he does not want to have exorcists around. >     I recently became acquainted with a woman who went to the catholic > church seeking an exorcist.  She was immediately recommended for psychiatric > evaluation.  They told her that if she could pass that test, then they would > consider an exorcism. >     I was not surprised.  Here, below, is the attachment that I sent her: > Faith wrote: > Hey "mickey" — I hope you’re still reading because I’m coming in on this > one a little late … > >mickey wrote: > >My local minister, after intense exorcism failed, 20 years ago, > >started : snarling at me, telling me that I was living in sin, which is > >why they   weren’t leaving. > Faith wrote: > Same story 100 times over, different day.  Isn’t it funny how they all > do that?  They can’t *DO* it, so they want *you* to pander to their need > for reassurance by *faking* like it’s over.  But you *can’t* fake, because > the TORTURE won’t stop.  And because you *can’t* fake, they interpret that > as being you *WON’T* fake.  But instead of "fake", they call it > "acknowledge God’s power" or something like that (only it isn’t "God"’s > ANYTHING; it would just be *FAKING*!) So they accuse YOU of being stubborn, > obstinate, rebellious, cooperating with "the Enemy".  A friend of Mine and I > came up with a term for this sudden, snarling 180-degree turnabout maneuver > some > twelve years ago.  We called it "RESORTING." So they Resort.  They > Resort to casting YOU out because they can’t cast "Them" out. > But see, here’s the deal, mikey.  The reason they do this is that their > failure at exorcism sets up for THEM the very same theological paradox > your experience of possession set up for you.  And they cannot handle > it.  It utterly, completely terrifies them — the haunting, endless > questions, the roller-coaster logic, the ping-pong back and forth > between "blaming God" and "blaming one’s self".  What is the paradox?  In a > nutshell, this:  by all experiential reality, the "God who cannot lie" > suddenly has; the "God who keeps his promises" suddenly doesn’t; the > "God alone who can save" suddenly won’t, or can’t, or chooses not to — but > what do the "whys" matter when you’re in PAIN??? — for whatever reason, > IT ISN’T HAPPENING!  WHAM, theological impasse.  And no way out — for > you.  But for the little man of the cloth, the way out is easy:  get rid > of the *source* of all this troublesome, harrowing, horrifying > analytical questioning before it destroys his faith. > You know, I have a feeling all this happened before — mythically > speaking, when a certain Brilliant Leader was hurled from the gates of His > home, down through the starry skies … > Mickey wrote: > >Well, this was a condemnation call.  I then had no > >hope whatsoever, for relief, since 1979.  Well, I now > >feel that my experience is as a witness, for a testimony, > >which is the only reason that I have made it this far. > Faith wrote: > Been there, done that. > >  The following is an attachment; a testimony that I received from  a 28 > >year old woman, from the internet.  We share similar experience, as you > > will read.  Attachment follows: > >Shiloh wrote: > >I am reading a lot about people and their experience with being > >labeled d+m+n-p+ssessed. I too was labeled d+mo+n p+sss-ssed > >this summer.  I went through three months of intense ex+rc-sm.  Each > >time coming out of the "session" with such a longing to die that I would > >immediately seek refuge in the comfort of my warm blood.  I know this > >probably sounds weird, but this is just what I did.  It was either > >that, or standing in the middle of a river at midnight trying to wash > >(baptize) myself clean.  After three months of this literal h+ll I > >have arisen from the dead into the light that says that I now have > >even more alters than when I started working with this religious > >freak.  I was convinced that S=tan was inside of me and so were a lot > >of my alters.  I am now worse off than I ever was as far as > >unification and therapy progression goes.  So, all you religious > >experts on p+ssessi*n and d*m*n*ology Tell me, if dem*n p*ssessi*n is > >the cause of my multiplicty than why am I even more "multiple" after > >such intense exorcism? and let me tell you of the reality of this > >fragmented dwelling- My multiplicity is the full fledged product of > >the hypocrytic church, quite contrary to your view of my submission to > >S*t*n and his angels. > Faith wrote: > This really hits home.  Tell Shiloh I’ve been integrated for nearly two > years now and LOVING it.  If you are interested, either you or Shiloh or > both can drop Me a line at fai…@ifaithd.net and we can continue this > conversation "privately".  Contrary to popular opinion, the Master and I > are here to heal, not to hassle. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > One comment here: >       Here, Faith would appear to have sold-out, sided with the devil > in order to stop the pain. The devil is a liar, and he works using deceit. > I’ve > seen this in my own life, where Satan attempted to try and make me think > that I was siding with him, summoning him, conjuring him, selling soul. This > is all just another one of this tricks, nothing but a lie. Dont’ fall for > it. A person who > is demon possessed cannot be held accountable, nor credible. Not capable of > thought or reaction. Who lived, at the time? A demon.  None of this was ever > her free-will, and why would free-will ever come into the picture, in such > situations?  The demon that was present used a trick, to try and sell her > out; > he made her think that she was going along with it, just another lie. Faith > was > nothing more that a impaired zombie, a puppet, semi-dead,  paralyzed, > incapable > of anything, in my own opinion and experience. Quote, "Lets make her think > to > sell her soul to Santa". "Who shall see it?"  It’s just another mindcontrol > technique, > for the zombie impaired sub-concious puppets.  Man, blinded pets on a leash. > Who shall see it?  Mickey sees it! > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > someone else had written: > I believe there are a number of failures in the Catholic shedona approach to > exorcism. > Failure #1: Personalization of the exorist with the demon. > The Catholic Church seems to view the act of exorcism as some > kind of battle between the exorcist and the possessing entity. > The possessed seems to be treated like an incidental character. > Failure #2: Authoritarianism. > The Catholic Church places authority in the hands of the Bishop. > Failure #3: Ritualization. > The Rituale Romanum is fraught with ritual which limits the > ability of the exorcist to perform the exorcism. > I believe the Catholic Church ought to go back and visit the > exorcist ceremonies performed by Jesus and his apostles. They’d > find no personalization, authority only from God/Jesus, minimal > ritualization beyond: > 1. Identifying the offending entity through interrogation. > 2. Praying about the possession. > 3. Using God’s/Jesus’ authority to exorcise the extity [this might > include instructing the entity on where to go and where it > cannot go.]

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The alien/demons also made someone write this: Covenant with the Deval, To sell his/her soul. It’s full of holes and discrepancy, keeps changing from first person (I) to second person (you). http://members.tripod.com/~Mishkanava/warover1.htm

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I also found this: Pasted: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1561/index2.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Can you believe all this bad press these days? Oy! Makes one think the world is coming to an end or something. Of course we are all waiting for *THEIRS* to finally finish ending so *OURS* can finally BEGIN, right?  It’s a bit like watching the last thrashing throes of a decapitated body.  Matter of fact, that’s precisely what it is, if you think about it.  Anyway, enjoy your stay in the Victorious City at World’s End, the Capitol of the Marriage of Heaven and Hell.  I will make easy your abstruction from its ill-ordered house.  As Grace Slick once said, "Believe Me; yeah."

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appears that same person or group owns this site: http://babalon.net +++++++++++++++++++++++ av7x" <a…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:NfOdnZiORdVdZj3cRVn-hQ@eatel.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I also found this: > Pasted: > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1561/index2.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Can you believe all this bad press these days? Oy! Makes one think the world > is coming to an end or something. Of course we are all waiting for *THEIRS* > to finally finish ending so *OURS* can finally BEGIN, right?  It’s a bit > like watching the last thrashing throes of a decapitated body.  Matter of > fact, that’s precisely what it is, if you think about it.  Anyway, enjoy > your stay in the Victorious City at World’s End, the Capitol of the Marriage > of Heaven and Hell.  I will make easy your abstruction from its ill-ordered > house.  As Grace Slick once said, "Believe Me; yeah."

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