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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why not just break off a tiny piece of a Host? (as in, 1/20th of a regular host) You receive the whole Christ no matter what size of consecrated Host. I seriously doubt there would be much ill effect there. The article never mentions her level of sensitivity. Eating a hamburger bun and a small particle of a communion Host seem to be two different things. The latter is too small to cause any reaction – it’s not like it’s cyanide or something. I mean, she could have a bottle of water with her, and drink that after she receives – whatever reaction (again, I doubt there would be much at all) would be mitigated. Unfortunately, you are wrong. Although it wouldn’t kill her outright, even a minute amount has an effect on her bowel. OTOH, she had the option of receiving only from the chalice and the family refused that. They are more interested in publicity and grinding their axe than in her receiving Communion.
I would agree with this–notice how many here are showing how "Christian" they are with thier Catholic-hating posts that are using this to their own ends as well. Buny
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Why not just give her the prescious blood? That option was offered but rejected by the family. There is definitely an ulterior motive here.
Wonder what will happen when a celiac victim is also an alcohol intolerant? — Alan "Ferrit" Ferris ()’.’.’() ( (T) ) ( ) . ( ) (")_(")
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Why not just give her the prescious blood? That option was offered but rejected by the family. There is definitely an ulterior motive here. Wonder what will happen when a celiac victim is also an alcohol intolerant?
Then they will be given special ultra low alcohol wine. If we get one who is also allergic to grapes, I guess that person won’t be receiving communion. -Tony — For fairly troll free Catholic discussion, join on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romancatholic/ "Or could it confirm that he’s [Joseph Geloso's] a locution short of a dogma?" – Daniel Hoehr
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why not just give her the prescious blood? That option was offered but rejected by the family. There is definitely an ulterior motive here. Wonder what will happen when a celiac victim is also an alcohol intolerant? Then they will be given special ultra low alcohol wine. If we get one who is also allergic to grapes, I guess that person won’t be receiving communion.
Ultra low will not always bypass an intolerance. — Alan "Ferrit" Ferris ()’.’.’() ( (T) ) ( ) . ( ) (")_(")
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They have probably given this kid cough syrup with more alcohol than cmmunon wine has. they also probably gave her a bigger amount than she would get at cmmunion.
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They have probably given this kid cough syrup with more alcohol than communon wine has. they also probably gave her a bigger amount than she would get at communion.
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Why not just break off a tiny piece of a Host? (as in, 1/20th of a regular host) You receive the whole Christ no matter what size of consecrated Host. If that’s the case, then why not just give the kid a microscopic piece, say a 1/1000, that way you know you’ll be ok. Also, this practice will ensure that less of the flesh of God gets turned into feces.
it doesnt matter the size of the wafer, it is still the body of Christ. A deacon at my church told me he would break up the bigger pieces of the hosts to distribute if he knew he was running out. the mother is just being a total selfish bitch and just wants her way or nothing at all.
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Why not just give her the prescious blood?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why not just break off a tiny piece of a Host? (as in, 1/20th of a regular host) You receive the whole Christ no matter what size of consecrated Host. I seriously doubt there would be much ill effect there. The article never mentions her level of sensitivity. Eating a hamburger bun and a small particle of a communion Host seem to be two different things. The latter is too small to cause any reaction – it’s not like it’s cyanide or something. I mean, she could have a bottle of water with her, and drink that after she receives – whatever reaction (again, I doubt there would be much at all) would be mitigated. Unfortunately, you are wrong. Although it wouldn’t kill her outright, even a minute amount has an effect on her bowel. OTOH, she had the option of receiving only from the chalice and the family refused that. They are more interested in publicity and grinding their axe than in her receiving Communion. Gabby
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Why not just give her the prescious blood?
That option was offered but rejected by the family. There is definitely an ulterior motive here. Gabby
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The church did not say this–the girl has an option to receive the Eucharist in its other form…her *parents* are the ones who are saying "die or no communion" by refusing to accept the alternative the church offers….this girl is not the only Catholic with celiac disease Buny
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BRIELLE, N.J. – An 8-year-old girl who suffers from a rare digestive disorder and cannot eat wheat has had her first Holy Communion declared invalid because the wafer contained no wheat, violating Roman Catholic doctrine. Now, Haley Waldman’s mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl’s condition should not exclude her from the sacrament, which commemorates the Last Supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion. The mother believes a rice Communion wafer would suffice. "It’s just not a viable option. How does it corrupt the tradition of the Last Supper? It’s just rice versus wheat," said Elizabeth Pelly-Waldman. Church doctrine holds that Communion wafers, like the bread served at the Last Supper, must have at least some unleavened wheat. Church leaders are reluctant to change anything about the sacrament. "This is not an issue to be determined at the diocesan or parish level, but has already been decided for the Roman Catholic Church throughout the world by Vatican authority," Trenton Bishop John M. Smith said in a statement last week. Haley was diagnosed with celiac sprue disease when she was 5. The disorder occurs in people with a genetic intolerance of gluten, a food protein contained in wheat and other grains. When consumed by celiac sufferers, gluten (pronounced GLOO’-ten) damages the lining of the small intestine, blocking nutrient absorption and leading to vitamin deficiencies, bone-thinning and sometimes gastrointestinal cancer. The diocese has told Haley’s mother that the girl can receive a low- gluten wafer, or just drink wine at Communion, but that anything without gluten does not qualify. Pelly-Waldman rejected the offer, saying her child could be harmed by even a small amount of the substance. Haley’s Communion controversy isn’t the first. In 2001, the family of a 5-year-old Massachusetts girl with the disease left the Catholic church after being denied permission to use a rice wafer. Some Catholic churches allow no-gluten hosts, while others do not, said Elaine Monarch, executive director of the Celiac Disease Foundation, a California-based support group for sufferers. "It is an undue hardship on a person who wants to practice their religion and needs to compromise their health to do so," Monarch said. The church has similar rules for Communion wine. For alcoholics, the church allows a substitute for wine under some circumstances, however the drink must still be fermented from grapes and contain some alcohol. Grape juice is not a valid substitute. Haley, a shy, brown-haired tomboy who loves surfing and hates wearing dresses, realizes the consequences of taking a wheat wafer. "I’m on a gluten-free diet because I can’t have wheat. I could die," she said last week. Last year, as the third grader approached Holy Communion age in this Jersey Shore town, her mother told officials at St. Denis Catholic Church in Manasquan that the girl could not have the standard host. After the church’s pastor refused to allow a substitute, a priest at a nearby parish volunteered to offer one, and in May, Haley wore a white Communion dress, and received the sacrament alongside her mother, who had not taken Communion since she herself was diagnosed with the disease. Last month, the diocese told the priest that the church would not validate Haley’s sacrament because of the substitute wafer. "I struggled with telling her that the sacrament did not happen," said Pelly-Waldman. "She lives in a world of rules. She says `Mommy, do we want to break a rule? Are we breaking a rule?’"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The diocese has told Haley’s mother that the girl can receive a low- gluten wafer, or just drink wine at Communion, but that anything without gluten does not qualify. Pelly-Waldman rejected the offer, saying her child could be harmed by even a small amount of the substance. Why doesn’t she just take a sip from the chalice. Alcohol won’t hurt her. Canon Law (The law of the Church) Can. 924
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