Catholics & Catholicism

Question:

Aside and apart from the many religions is God, existing in reality. I agree Aside and apart from religious teachers was a man who taught the way to "know" the truth. He was not a religionist Christians would say Jesus is the face of the Christian religion. and taught against the way of religion. For this, he was crucified. Not to fulfil "everything written by the prophets"? (Luke 21)

No. He fulfilled "the law" which in reality was to learn and obey the principles of God in order tp possess the life structured by these principles. The "law" of God pertains to the principles of God. This man, known as Jesus of Nazareth, declared the existence of a way to actually know God by knowing the reality of God through experience, as mankind experiences all other existing reality. Being wise, he also taught others how to prove what he said was truth. Have you read the Old Testament for truth (knowledge) of God. I’m thinking particularly of Psalm 1?

Many times. The man, Jesus of Nazareth, learned "the way" from David. For this reason he was called "Son of David." A spiritual matter. He declared God has made promises to mankind. In teaching the way to know the truth, he also taught the way to prove his word. Very simply he declared that whosoever would follow the way he taught, would know the truth of the matter. We have in our possession the testaments of some who declared they did follow this way of proving. Are you referring to St Paul?

The entire "new testament." In this day and hour, few are teaching this way. Almost all mankind are caught up in the erroneous "belief system" of religionists. And sadly, they are content with this system, not desiring to know the truth. Not true DW as I’m here seeking from you

Reason why I said "Almost" all. Having known the truth concerning the matters of God, Jesus of Nazareth knew the lies of religionists and spoke against the lies. He spoke against the "belief system." He taught people the way to know the truth. This way he taught may be entered into and followed by "whosoever" which means "any person." I believe Churches "religionists" preach this – Christianity is about counting people in not drawing a line to keep people out as Gnostics do.

What "chirches and religion offer is not this same way. But this truth is rejected by religionists. This way is rejected by religionists. Amazingly, the religionists refuse to consider this way as existing reality. (sorry snipped more than I meant to) Existing reality – men and women have sex; produce children. Please explain your view of Christ’s birth. ie Do you "know" that "God for us men came down from heaven and was made incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary and was made man?"

The birth of "Christ" is the coming into existence of the "new creation" or "creation" of God in mankind in mind and spirit. Jesus of Nazareth received this within himself, being transformed into this type and kind of person by God. The Word of God is the Seed of God that brings the conception of this person. "Heaven" being the heaved up, is a place where the mind dwells. The heaven of God is the dwelling in and on the Wod from God. When a person is here, this person must come down to the principles and ways of man in order to speak and relate with fallen mankind. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why? Their minds are closed to anything and everything that is in opposition to their religious beliefs. Trying to keep an open mind here:-) Consequently, the religionists epitomize the type and kind of person known as the "antichrist." The way taught by Jesus of Nazareth, in and by which the truth is known, is called "The way of Christ." Whosoever is against this way is "anti Christ." ouch The way of "Christ" is the way of gaining sure knowledge of truth directly from God. Religionists have been taught and have believed this is not possible. no your statement above is not true – "the way of Christ and gaining sure knowledge of truth directly from God" is preached in the church to which I belong.

Preached perhaps, but not defined and explained in truth. If so, many would be speaking of what they learned from God. Others would be doing the same works Jesus of Nazareth did. They would claim to have received the title from God; "Son of God." Most importantly, they would eb discussing the principles they learned from God, their application and the results. This is why they crucified Jesus of Nazareth; because they were the "antichrist." Why do you keep saying this – were you brought up in a very fundamentalist religion?

I wasn’t brought up in any religion. I keep saying this because it is the truth. "Anti" merely means to "be against." Whosoever is against the way of becoming Christ is anti Christ. Any person who is against this way of gaining sure knowledge of truth is this same "antichrist." It is amazing, this hold religions have on the minds of their followers. It’s called "The chains of darkness." By false teachings which they have believed, Do you call the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed false teachings?

Yes. These are man made and not of nor from God. they are bound and held in the mind religionists create by their teachings which is the "marking" of the mind and the hand, which refers to the "acts" or actions of a person. Yes, religionists have taken this "mark" scriptures speak of. DW you have said that you "know" the NT teaching "the way of Jesus" Do you agree He said "LOVE"  "by this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another"  ?

Love is more then an emotional feeling. It includes commmitting to the giving for the needs of others. It also includes admonishing and correction as the model, Jesus of Nazareth, displayed. The "antichrist" is given a title by God. God has named this type and kind of a person "beast." A beast is a primitive animal void of the ability of learning and following principles. A beast is a carnal being with a carnal mind. In other words, they know nothing of spiritual matters. I truly hope and believe that the best expressions of Christian devotion are embodied in Churches, okay people are flawed but surely the "Word became flesh" to redeem us. I believe the worship in a Church unites us with the universal Church of Christ and helps us "build one another up in love".

Please understand, I am aware these people act in good will. However, lack of knowledge and understanding causes them to go astray and lead others astray. The Word of God becomes flesh in every person receiving the fulfilling of the promise of God. It is God who redeems by His Word according to His promise. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These are the enemies of God who keep mankind away from God; the religionists. They and their word effectively prevent mankind from seeking and finding God by the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth. Is it any wonder they sought to crucify and do away with Jesus of Nazareth? He was a direct threat to their hold and control of the minds of the people. ( So also are the people of God in this day and hour who have followed this way. Religionists have been taught to crucify these with their word, which is the word from the religious teachers who want to retain their hold and control of the people. Consequently, religionists are forbidden to use their minds to think with; to look into any word that differs from the religious doctrine. The religious leaders employ numerous scare tactics in order to enforce their decree to the followers concerning the matter of thinking for their selves or for that matter, gaining sure knowledge of truth by seeking this from God. Were you brought up in the Roman Catholic faith?  Some years ago I was baby-sitting an eight year old son of an R.C. friend and yes I have to say the book he (at eight) had to read was appalling. Very much sin sin sin!!!

Absolutely not. The RCC is opposed to God in many ways. BTW, "sin" is merely the act of believing a lie. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The pity of it all is the fact that all religionists are doomed. That is, they are doomed unless they come out from the control of the religions and enter into and follow the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth. The way to know the truth which sets a person free from the many false teachings of the religionists. Existing reality includes the way to ask and receive from God what God has promised to give mankind. This is how the word and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth are proved. This is what he taught mankind to do. To ask and receive from God, the Word from God which is the truth concerning the matters of God. When a person has done this, then he knows for sure every word taught by Jesus of Nazareth is truth. "A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; even as I have loved you, that ye also love one another". Is this is why you write to this ng?

Yes. To whom much is given, much is asked or expected. If a person knows and understands the principle of love, they give what they are able to give for the well being of others. I don’t enjoy spending a lot of time on the Inet. However, to be what I should be, obedience to all principles is mandatory. Remember, a person cannot possess the life of God unless this person willingly obeys the principles that structure this life. I believe and have faith in the principles of God to be the best principles mankind can elect to follow in order to have a good life and a good social order. Every principle should be judged according to the consequence, result, or reward it brings as an end result. The greatest promotion for the well … read more »

Response:

Your unintelligible post reflects an inferior mind. Do you have something worthwhile to say? DW Suiter Son of God

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Although the ten blind men who touched different parts of the elephant and gave ten different descriptions of what an elephant "looks like" they did not disagree. Describing ten different parts of an elephant still accurately describes the elephant.  I think taking the back of an elephant for a throne is being disconnected  from the reality. A fool like you will say otherwise

Response:

Aside and apart from the many religions is God, existing in reality. I agree Aside and apart from religious teachers was a man who taught the way to "know" the truth. He was not a religionist

Christians would say Jesus is the face of the Christian religion. and taught against the way of religion. For this, he was crucified.

Not to fulfil "everything written by the prophets"? (Luke 21) This man, known as Jesus of Nazareth, declared the existence of a way to actually know God by knowing the reality of God through experience, as mankind experiences all other existing reality. Being wise, he also taught others how to prove what he said was truth.

Have you read the Old Testament for truth (knowledge) of God. I’m thinking particularly of Psalm 1? He declared God has made promises to mankind. In teaching the way to know the truth, he also taught the way to prove his word. Very simply he declared that whosoever would follow the way he taught, would know the truth of the matter. We have in our possession the testaments of some who declared they did follow this way of proving.

Are you referring to St Paul?   In this day and hour, few are teaching this way. Almost all mankind are caught up in the erroneous "belief system" of religionists. And sadly, they are content with this system, not desiring to know the truth.

Not true DW as I’m here seeking from you Having known the truth concerning the matters of God, Jesus of Nazareth knew the lies of religionists and spoke against the lies. He spoke against the "belief system." He taught people the way to know the truth. This way he taught may be entered into and followed by "whosoever" which means "any person."

I believe Churches "religionists" preach this – Christianity is about counting people in not drawing a line to keep people out as Gnostics do. But this truth is rejected by religionists. This way is rejected by religionists. Amazingly, the religionists refuse to consider this way as existing reality.

(sorry snipped more than I meant to) Existing reality – men and women have sex; produce children. Please explain your view of Christ’s birth. ie Do you "know" that "God for us men came down from heaven and was made incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary and was made man?" Why? Their minds are closed to anything and everything that is in opposition to their religious beliefs.

Trying to keep an open mind here:-) Consequently, the religionists epitomize the type and kind of person known as the "antichrist." The way taught by Jesus of Nazareth, in and by which the truth is known, is called "The way of Christ." Whosoever is against this way is "anti Christ." ouch The way of "Christ" is the way of gaining sure knowledge of truth directly from God. Religionists have been taught and have believed this is not possible.

no your statement above is not true – "the way of Christ and gaining sure knowledge of truth directly from God" is preached in the church to which I belong. This is why they crucified Jesus of Nazareth; because they were the "antichrist."

Why do you keep saying this – were you brought up in a very fundamentalist religion? Any person who is against this way of gaining sure knowledge of truth is this same "antichrist." It is amazing, this hold religions have on the minds of their followers. It’s called "The chains of darkness." By false teachings which they have believed,

Do you call the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed false teachings? they are bound and held in the mind religionists create by their teachings which is the "marking" of the mind and the hand, which refers to the "acts" or actions of a person. Yes, religionists have taken this "mark" scriptures speak of.

DW you have said that you "know" the NT teaching "the way of Jesus" Do you agree He said "LOVE"  "by this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another"  ? The "antichrist" is given a title by God. God has named this type and kind of a person "beast." A beast is a primitive animal void of the ability of learning and following principles. A beast is a carnal being with a carnal mind. In other words, they know nothing of spiritual matters.

I truly hope and believe that the best expressions of Christian devotion are embodied in Churches, okay people are flawed but surely the "Word became flesh" to redeem us. I believe the worship in a Church unites us with the universal Church of Christ and helps us "build one another up in love". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -These are the enemies of God who keep mankind away from God; the religionists. They and their word effectively prevent mankind from seeking and finding God by the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth. Is it any wonder they sought to crucify and do away with Jesus of Nazareth? He was a direct threat to their hold and control of the minds of the people. ( So also are the people of God in this day and hour who have followed this way. Religionists have been taught to crucify these with their word, which is the word from the religious teachers who want to retain their hold and control of the people. Consequently, religionists are forbidden to use their minds to think with; to look into any word that differs from the religious doctrine. The religious leaders employ numerous scare tactics in order to enforce their decree to the followers concerning the matter of thinking for their selves or for that matter, gaining sure knowledge of truth by seeking this from God.

Were you brought up in the Roman Catholic faith?  Some years ago I was baby-sitting an eight year old son of an R.C. friend and yes I have to say the book he (at eight) had to read was appalling. Very much sin sin sin!!! The pity of it all is the fact that all religionists are doomed. That is, they are doomed unless they come out from the control of the religions and enter into and follow the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth. The way to know the truth which sets a person free from the many false teachings of the religionists. Existing reality includes the way to ask and receive from God what God has promised to give mankind. This is how the word and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth are proved. This is what he taught mankind to do. To ask and receive from God, the Word from God which is the truth concerning the matters of God. When a person has done this, then he knows for sure every word taught by Jesus of Nazareth is truth.

"A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; even as I have loved you, that ye also love one another". Is this is why you write to this ng? Few of mankind know or understand what God has promised mankind. They do not know nor understand what this promise is. They do know a lot of false teachings concerning this matter. Consequently, they do not know the way of salvation by God for this way of salvation is exactly the same way as the way to know the truth, as taught by Jesus of Nazareth. In other words, if a person does not follow this way of Christ, this person remains unsaved. It is also remarkable, the fact religionists do not know nor understand what they must be saved from. How can they? They are held captive by what they must be saved from. Religion.

Maybe you should hesitate to write off all religionists – after all in Britain religious education; daily assemblies for worship; etc; indeed openly discussing these things; is becoming politically incorrect. The politicians are reluctant to upset (lose votes) the many different cultural communities which inhabit this island.  And if children aren’t introduced to God in Church, school or home how will they "know" to open their minds to Him? all good wishes (thank you for post re speaking in tongues I will reply soon) — Sabina

Response:

Although the ten blind men who touched different parts of the elephant and gave ten different descriptions of what an elephant "looks like" they did not disagree. Describing ten different parts of an elephant still accurately describes the elephant.

 I think taking the back of an elephant for a throne is being disconnected  from the reality. A fool like you will say otherwise

Response:

Although the ten blind men who touched different parts of the elephant and gave ten different descriptions of what an elephant "looks like" they did not disagree. Describing ten different parts of an elephant still accurately describes the elephant. An elephant is part of reality. Religionists, on the other hand, do not speak of reality. They speak of what they have heard and have believed. Consequently, thousands of religions and denominations exist, each attempting to describe God in their teachings. They disagree. They not only disagree, religionists kill and maim each other because of disagreements concerning God. It is the epitome of inanity to do this, considering they all act on mere belief which is void of knowledge of the reality of God. Reality exists even when mankind has no knowledge nor understanding of the reality. Scientists continually "discover" existing reality. Aside and apart from "theories" are the factual discoveries. Religionists discover theories and opinions presented in religious teachings. Unfortunately, religionists offer their belief as "knowledge." Unfortunately, the vast majority of mankind enter into this "belief system" simply because it is a usual and customary thing to do. Few ever question the origin of religious teachings. Aside and apart from the many religions is God, existing in reality. Defining "truth" is very simple. It is any word accurately defining and portraying existing reality. Religionists have been taught to believe they "know the truth" when in fact, all they know are religious teachings. They do not know the reality of God. Aside and apart from religious teachers was a man who taught the way to "know" the truth. He was not a religionist and taught against the way of religion. For this, he was crucified. This man, known as Jesus of Nazareth, declared the existence of a way to actually know God by knowing the reality of God through experience, as mankind experiences all other existing reality. Being wise, he also taught others how to prove what he said was truth. He declared God has made promises to mankind. In teaching the way to know the truth, he also taught the way to prove his word. Very simply he declared that whosoever would follow the way he taught, would know the truth of the matter. We have in our possession the testaments of some who declared they did follow this way of proving. In this day and hour, few are teaching this way. Almost all mankind are caught up in the erroneous "belief system" of religionists. And sadly, they are content with this system, not desiring to know the truth. The way of proving is easy to understand. By comparing the existing reality experienced and known, with what a person has presented as truth concerning this reality, the word may be proved to be the truth or a lie. Having known the truth concerning the matters of God, Jesus of Nazareth knew the lies of religionists and spoke against the lies. He spoke against the "belief system." He taught people the way to know the truth. This way he taught may be entered into and followed by "whosoever" which means "any person." But this truth is rejected by religionists. This way is rejected by religionists. Amazingly, the religionists refuse to consider this way as existing reality. Why? Their minds are closed to anything and everything that is in opposition to their religious beliefs. Consequently, the religionists epitomize the type and kind of person known as the "antichrist." The way taught by Jesus of Nazareth, in and by which the truth is known, is called "The way of Christ." Whosoever is against this way is "anti Christ." The way of "Christ" is the way of gaining sure knowledge of truth directly from God. Religionists have been taught and have believed this is not possible. This is why they crucified Jesus of Nazareth; because they were the "antichrist." Any person who is against this way of gaining sure knowledge of truth is this same "antichrist." It is amazing, this hold religions have on the minds of their followers. It’s called "The chains of darkness." By false teachings which they have believed, they are bound and held in the mind religionists create by their teachings which is the "marking" of the mind and the hand, which refers to the "acts" or actions of a person. Yes, religionists have taken this "mark" scriptures speak of. The "antichrist" is given a title by God. God has named this type and kind of a person "beast." A beast is a primitive animal void of the ability of learning and following principles. A beast is a carnal being with a carnal mind. In other words, they know nothing of spiritual matters. These are the enemies of God who keep mankind away from God; the religionists. They and their word effectively prevent mankind from seeking and finding God by the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth. Is it any wonder they sought to crucify and do away with Jesus of Nazareth? He was a direct threat to their hold and control of the minds of the people. So also are the people of God in this day and hour who have followed this way. Religionists have been taught to crucify these with their word, which is the word from the religious teachers who want to retain their hold and control of the people. Consequently, religionists are forbidden to use their minds to think with; to look into any word that differs from the religious doctrine. The religious leaders employ numerous scare tactics in order to enforce their decree to the followers concerning the matter of thinking for their selves or for that matter, gaining sure knowledge of truth by seeking this from God. The pity of it all is the fact that all religionists are doomed. That is, they are doomed unless they come out from the control of the religions and enter into and follow the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth. The way to know the truth which sets a person free from the many false teachings of the religionists. Existing reality includes the way to ask and receive from God what God has promised to give mankind. This is how the word and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth are proved. This is what he taught mankind to do. To ask and receive from God, the Word from God which is the truth concerning the matters of God. When a person has done this, then he knows for sure every word taught by Jesus of Nazareth is truth. Few of mankind know or understand what God has promised mankind. They do not know nor understand what this promise is. They do know a lot of false teachings concerning this matter. Consequently, they do not know the way of salvation by God for this way of salvation is exactly the same way as the way to know the truth, as taught by Jesus of Nazareth. In other words, if a person does not follow this way of Christ, this person remains unsaved. It is also remarkable, the fact religionists do not know nor understand what they must be saved from. How can they? They are held captive by what they must be saved from. Religion. DW Suiter Son of God

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