Catholics & Catholicism

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helen wrote: > ‘intelligent’? > ……………….where? > absurd everywhere

Yeah, how about the Sadistic Joker Theory?  …or the Manic-Depressive Designer Theory? http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/e87fbf3760…

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"Ohsojourner" <ohsojour…@aol.com> pulled the needle out his vein long enough to rant thusly: news:1102790808.025580.76870@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > Yeah, how about the Sadistic Joker Theory?  …or the Manic-Depressive > Designer Theory?

That’s just what a LastTuesdayist would say.  Heretic. — http://eerierodent.blogspot.com/ "My name is Mike.  I take care of  the place while The Master is away."

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"Highly Annoyed Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability" <zombiefreaksfromhellbo…@bushwhacked.org> in news:Xns95BC724BE16DDfkjdlkvjcxoiuarepoij@68.6.19.6: >> Yeah, how about the Sadistic Joker Theory?  …or the Manic-Depressive >> Designer Theory? > That’s just what a LastTuesdayist would say.  Heretic.

well, these theories weren’t Created in Seven Days, you know — (click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click )

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ci+ wrote: > "Highly Annoyed Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability" <zombiefreaksfromhellbo…@bushwhacked.org> in > news:Xns95BC724BE16DDfkjdlkvjcxoiuarepoij@68.6.19.6: >>>Yeah, how about the Sadistic Joker Theory?  …or the Manic-Depressive >>>Designer Theory? >>That’s just what a LastTuesdayist would say.  Heretic. > well, these theories weren’t Created in Seven Days, you know

Well, except for the ‘7 Day Theory’. — halfblotto@s,o,f,t,n,o,m,e.p,e,t – Bart: Am I the only one in horrible pain? Homer: You’re the only one who won’t shut up about it!

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steve…@webtv.net in news:1102760602.894033.181890@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > Yes it does sound like tedious reading, actually he wrote 35 books. Are > you spiderman by any chance?, is that you?

not a chance. but i don’t look like the Marvel version of ’spidey’ either.  :> i look more like a real spider… missing 4 (no, missing only 3!) legs  :>

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"ci+" <c…@ciNukeSpam.com> > "Highly Annoyed Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability" > <zombiefreaksfromhellbo…@bushwhacked.org> in > news:Xns95BC724BE16DDfkjdlkvjcxoiuarepoij@68.6.19.6: >>> Yeah, how about the Sadistic Joker Theory?  …or the >>> Manic-Depressive Designer Theory? >> That’s just what a LastTuesdayist would say.  Heretic. > well, these theories weren’t Created in Seven Days, you know

It was all created Last Thursday, allthough a schism may arise on whether or not part of a ‘Seinfeld’ repeat was not created due to the time the creation took.  It’s all very logical. — http://eerierodent.blogspot.com/ "My name is Mike.  I take care of  the place while The Master is away."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -steve…@webtv.net wrote: > ABC News > Famous Atheist Now Believes in God > One of World’s Leading Atheists Now Believes in God, More or Less, > Based on Scientific Evidence > Flew told The Associated Press his current ideas have some similarity > with American "intelligent design" theorists, who see evidence for a > guiding force in the construction of the universe. > "It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about > constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first > reproducing organism" > The old guy is a famous atheist who wrote 35 books on the subject, he > still does not believe in a personal God ………. yet. > The Associated Press > NEW YORK Dec 9, 2004 – A British philosophy professor who has been > a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed > his mind. He now believes in God more or less based on scientific > evidence, and says so on a video released Thursday. > At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew > has concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have > created the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation > for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a > telephone interview from England. > Flew said he’s best labeled a deist like Thomas Jefferson, whose God > was not actively involved in people’s lives. > "I’m thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and > far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as > omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said. "It > could be a person in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a > purpose, I suppose." > Flew first made his mark with the 1950 article "Theology and > Falsification," based on a paper for the Socratic Club, a weekly Oxford > religious forum led by writer and Christian thinker C.S. Lewis. > Over the years, Flew proclaimed the lack of evidence for God while > teaching at Oxford, Aberdeen, Keele, and Reading universities in > Britain, in visits to numerous U.S. and Canadian campuses and in books, > articles, lectures and debates. > There was no one moment of change but a gradual conclusion over recent > months for Flew, a spry man who still does not believe in an afterlife. > Yet biologists’ investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost > unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce > (life), that intelligence must have been involved," Flew says in the > new video, "Has Science Discovered God?" > The video draws from a New York discussion last May organized by author > Roy Abraham Varghese’s Institute for Metascientific Research in > Garland, Texas. Participants were Flew; Varghese; Israeli physicist > Gerald Schroeder, an Orthodox Jew; and Roman Catholic philosopher John > Haldane of Scotland’s University of St. Andrews. > The first hint of Flew’s turn was a letter to the August-September > issue of Britain’s Philosophy Now magazine. "It has become inordinately > difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic > theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism," he wrote. > The letter commended arguments in Schroeder’s "The Hidden Face of God" > and "The Wonder of the World" by Varghese, an Eastern Rite Catholic > layman. > This week, Flew finished writing the first formal account of his new > outlook for the introduction to a new edition of his "God and > Philosophy," scheduled for release next year by Prometheus Press. > Prometheus specializes in skeptical thought, but if his belief upsets > people, well "that’s too bad," Flew said. "My whole life has been > guided by the principle of Plato’s Socrates: Follow the evidence, > wherever it leads." > Last week, Richard Carrier, a writer and Columbia University graduate > student, posted new material based on correspondence with Flew on the > atheistic www.infidels.org Web page. Carrier assured atheists that Flew > accepts only a "minimal God" and believes in no afterlife. > Flew’s "name and stature are big. Whenever you hear people talk about > atheists, Flew always comes up," Carrier said. Still, when it comes to > Flew’s reversal, "apart from curiosity, I don’t think it’s like a big > deal." > Flew told The Associated Press his current ideas have some similarity > with American "intelligent design" theorists, who see evidence for a > guiding force in the construction of the universe. He accepts Darwinian > evolution but doubts it can explain the ultimate origins of life. > A Methodist minister’s son, Flew became an atheist at 15. > Early in his career, he argued that no conceivable events could > constitute proof against God for believers, so skeptics were right to > wonder whether the concept of God meant anything at all. > Another landmark was his 1984 "The Presumption of Atheism," playing off > the presumption of innocence in criminal law. Flew said the debate over > God must begin by presuming atheism, putting the burden of proof on > those arguing that God exists.

‘intelligent’? ……………….where? absurd everywhere h

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"helen" <helens_pi…@yahoo.com> in news:1102646723.074499.297420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > ‘intelligent’? > ……………….where? > absurd everywhere > h

have you lost your leading tilde!???! if so, let me know when your period (ha) of bereavement ends… (or maybe you already find my ellipses .. a bit… mmm… sexy?) — love the sin, screw the sinner. oo baby http://images.google.com/images?q=site%3Aarchive.bodypainting.co.uk+s…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ci+ wrote: > steve…@webtv.net in > news:1102643210.938482.310620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:  afaik, > agnostics are the only one’s who make sense. > im not going to dig through 15 plus books of 400 plus pages of long > winded ‘philosophy’ to try to find where teis ‘convert’ sees ‘proof’ > of ‘god’… > > Yet biologists’ investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost > > unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to > > produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved," Flew > > says in the new video, "Has Science Discovered God?" > has Flew manaegd to synopsize his ‘proof’ anywhere yet?

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ci+ wrote: > steve…@webtv.net in

news:1102643210.938482.310620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > afaik, agnostics are the only one’s who make sense. > im not going to dig through 15 plus books of 400 plus pages of long

winded ‘philosophy’ to try to find where teis ‘convert’ sees – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ‘proof’ of ‘god’… > > Yet biologists’ investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost > > unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce > > (life), that intelligence must have been involved," Flew says in the > > new video, "Has Science Discovered God?" > has Flew manaegd to synopsize his ‘proof’ anywhere yet? > — > love the sin, screw the sinner. > oo baby

http://images.google.com/images?q=site%3Aarchive.bodypainting.co.uk+s… Yes it does sound like tedious reading, actually he wrote 35 books. Are you spiderman by any chance?, is that you?

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steve…@webtv.net in news:1102643210.938482.310620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: afaik, agnostics are the only one’s who make sense. im not going to dig through 15 plus books of 400 plus pages of long winded ‘philosophy’ to try to find where teis ‘convert’ sees ‘proof’ of ‘god’… > Yet biologists’ investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost > unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce > (life), that intelligence must have been involved," Flew says in the > new video, "Has Science Discovered God?"

has Flew manaegd to synopsize his ‘proof’ anywhere yet? — love the sin, screw the sinner. oo baby http://images.google.com/images?q=site%3Aarchive.bodypainting.co.uk+s…

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ABC News Famous Atheist Now Believes in God One of World’s Leading Atheists Now Believes in God, More or Less, Based on Scientific Evidence Flew told The Associated Press his current ideas have some similarity with American "intelligent design" theorists, who see evidence for a guiding force in the construction of the universe. "It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism" The old guy is a famous atheist who wrote 35 books on the subject, he still does not believe in a personal God ………. yet. The Associated Press NEW YORK Dec 9, 2004 – A British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God more or less based on scientific evidence, and says so on a video released Thursday. At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone interview from England. Flew said he’s best labeled a deist like Thomas Jefferson, whose God was not actively involved in people’s lives. "I’m thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said. "It could be a person in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose." Flew first made his mark with the 1950 article "Theology and Falsification," based on a paper for the Socratic Club, a weekly Oxford religious forum led by writer and Christian thinker C.S. Lewis. Over the years, Flew proclaimed the lack of evidence for God while teaching at Oxford, Aberdeen, Keele, and Reading universities in Britain, in visits to numerous U.S. and Canadian campuses and in books, articles, lectures and debates. There was no one moment of change but a gradual conclusion over recent months for Flew, a spry man who still does not believe in an afterlife. Yet biologists’ investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved," Flew says in the new video, "Has Science Discovered God?" The video draws from a New York discussion last May organized by author Roy Abraham Varghese’s Institute for Metascientific Research in Garland, Texas. Participants were Flew; Varghese; Israeli physicist Gerald Schroeder, an Orthodox Jew; and Roman Catholic philosopher John Haldane of Scotland’s University of St. Andrews. The first hint of Flew’s turn was a letter to the August-September issue of Britain’s Philosophy Now magazine. "It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism," he wrote. The letter commended arguments in Schroeder’s "The Hidden Face of God" and "The Wonder of the World" by Varghese, an Eastern Rite Catholic layman. This week, Flew finished writing the first formal account of his new outlook for the introduction to a new edition of his "God and Philosophy," scheduled for release next year by Prometheus Press. Prometheus specializes in skeptical thought, but if his belief upsets people, well "that’s too bad," Flew said. "My whole life has been guided by the principle of Plato’s Socrates: Follow the evidence, wherever it leads." Last week, Richard Carrier, a writer and Columbia University graduate student, posted new material based on correspondence with Flew on the atheistic www.infidels.org Web page. Carrier assured atheists that Flew accepts only a "minimal God" and believes in no afterlife. Flew’s "name and stature are big. Whenever you hear people talk about atheists, Flew always comes up," Carrier said. Still, when it comes to Flew’s reversal, "apart from curiosity, I don’t think it’s like a big deal." Flew told The Associated Press his current ideas have some similarity with American "intelligent design" theorists, who see evidence for a guiding force in the construction of the universe. He accepts Darwinian evolution but doubts it can explain the ultimate origins of life. A Methodist minister’s son, Flew became an atheist at 15. Early in his career, he argued that no conceivable events could constitute proof against God for believers, so skeptics were right to wonder whether the concept of God meant anything at all. Another landmark was his 1984 "The Presumption of Atheism," playing off the presumption of innocence in criminal law. Flew said the debate over God must begin by presuming atheism, putting the burden of proof on those arguing that God exists.

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