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x-no-archive: yes john_w replied Hi, For those of you who would like to seriously and seeking the truth in sincerity debate,I would like to ask, where is sola scriptura in the Bible? Please, if all you want to do is throw garbage at others,dont put in any messages… If you say its 2 Tim 3:16, it says "All scripture is inspired by God…" Doesnt say "ONLY scripture is inspired by God.."!!! And what about 2 Thes 2:15 where Paul urges the Thessolonians to stand firm in tradition??!!! Blessings, Leo
We’ve been around and around and around and around this a hundred times. Perhaps you’d like to look through Google by subject. jw
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john_w replied under copyright you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal : where is sola scriptura in the Bible? It’s not. Of course, neither is papacy, mary mother of God, mary forever virgin either.
idols aren’t in the Bible (except that they’re forbidden), the eating/drinking of blood is forbidden, there’s no hint or suggestion of purgatory in the Bible; nor is there a command or an example of infant baptism in the Bible. There’s no HINT of apostolic succession in the Bible as Christ CLEARLY PERSONALLY appointed each apostle. There’s no suggestion of indulgences, no suggestion that there would be one "pastor" over HUNDREDS of thousands of churches. No suggestion ANYWHERE that there would be ONE church or ONE denomination. But they can criticize the final authority of scripture? LOL!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Christian
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john_w replied under copyright – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal : where is sola scriptura in the Bible? It’s not. Of course, neither is papacy, mary mother of God, mary forever virgin either. Non sequitur. BTW, how do you know II Timothy 3:16 is inspired? Still too tough a question?
To hard-core apostates like you, who will NEVER accept God’s authority over the RCC cult, no scripture will ever explain away your heresies and apostasies. I could find you 20 verses that would prove the authority of scripture; you’d simply go to the DC, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Graham Kerr, Rudi Giuliani, or anyone else you could quote giving the RCC the FINAL authority. You simply don’t want God to be all-powerful; you want fallible men to be all-powerful. The RCC religion is simply a different religion with only RESEMBLANCES to Christianity as Christ taught it. jw
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john_w replied – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal : where is sola scriptura in the Bible? It’s not. Of course, neither is papacy, mary mother of God, mary forever virgin either. Non sequitur. BTW, how do you know II Timothy 3:16 is inspired? Still too tough a question? Could it be because it was also in tongues?
What was " in tongues", Ray? What you are quoting is merely Latin. jw 16 omnis scriptura divinitus – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -inspirata et utilis ad docendum ad arguendum ad corrigendum ad erudiendum in iustitia 17 ut perfectus sit homo Dei ad omne opus bonum instructus — Tiger [Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
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where is sola scriptura in the Bible? It’s not. Of course, neither is papacy, mary mother of God, mary forever virgin either. Christian
Completely irrelevant, since Catholics don’t claim to follow "The Bible Alone" anyway. — God Bless, Michael
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alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic): Oh you mean the NEW stuff you produce denying the baptism of the Holy Ghost and your forbidding people speaking in tongues???
What on earth are you talking about??? — God Bless, Michael
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And it NEVER says ola pope either! Nor does it say "college of cardinals." Or infallible pope. Or mary, mother of God either. But we don’t care. Catholics don’t believe in sola scriptura. We don’t need Biblical permission.
So true, Hell is open for everyone that doesn’t accept the Bible and its hot on that trip. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BAM
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you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal : where is sola scriptura in the Bible? It’s not. Of course, neither is papacy, mary mother of God, mary forever virgin either.
Christian, With respect a few issues. 1. The basic question here is how does one justify the idea of Sola Scriptura. If you have only scripture to base your faith on how do you know that Scriture is really the word of God. Catholics believe in the Bible because the Bible is affirmed by the Tradition of the church. 2. While the Papacy is not clearly spelled out in scripture, Peter’s primacy among the apostles is. The rest of course is affirmed from Tradition. 3. Mary mother of God is not in the Bible? Correct me if I am wrong? Mary is clearly listed in the Bible as the mother of Jesus, Jesus is God. Therefore it is clear that Mary is the Mother of God. Now perhaps you believe that Catholics believe that Mary was the mother of Jesus’s divine nature? I assure you that the Catholic Church does not believe that; we believe that she bore the divine and human nature united in her womb, but that the Divine nature is eternal and came from the Father. 4. Mary forever virgin is indeed not listed anywhere in scripture but is a tradition that comes from the earliest days of the Church. — Bill
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic : Hi, For those of you who would like to seriously and seeking the truth in sincerity debate,I would like to ask, where is sola scriptura in the Bible? It doesn’t and that is why sola scriptura is a lie. So using your own "logic," the papacy is a lie (it is not mentioned in the Bible either), mary as the mother of God is a lie (it is not mentioned in the Bible either), mary as redemptrix is a lie (it is not mentioned in the Bible either), and mary forever virgin is a lie (it is not mentioned in the Bible either).
Not quite. The Catholic Church has Tradition to back its claims up. Scripture does not have anything internal to it that supports the notion of Sola Scriptura. Further, as I pointed out some of the things you claim are not in the Bible either are in fact or at least have some support in the Bible. Further just because something is not in the Bible does not make it a lie. If i discovered extra-biblical evidence that Jesus had black hair would that be a lie because the Bible doesn’t say anything about the color of his hair? The basic problem with Sola Scriptura is this. How do you know the Bible is the sole source of truth in your faith? Usually the answer goes something like this.. Because God says so. The counter argument is how do you know God says so? and the answer usually is something along the lines of because the bible says so. In other words its a circular argument. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can’t just apply your own logic to one point without including the other points like it. You can’t pick the Bible up and interpret it the way you want. You must have Magisterial Teaching, Scripture and Tradition that is what Devine Revelation is. None of these can exist without the other. Pure nonsense. The Bible is for: 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. Since SCRiPTURE is for teaching, and all that stuff, the SCRIPTURE must be "up to the task."
And yet you can have two men of faith pick up the Bible read the same passage and yet both will claim it means different things? If Scripture alone was all that was necessary it should be the case that all churches in the world would agree with each other over what the Bible says, yet it does not. The Bible is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, reproof, correction, etc. However that usefulness comes in context of the Church and Tradition. SHOW ME "magisterial teaching" in the Scripture, or by your own "logic" "magisterial teaching" is a lie.
No, because the logic of the Magisterium is different the logic of Sola Scriptura. The Catholic Church does not rely solely on the Bible for its authority. Indeed it cannot because the Church precedes the New Testament. At least some of the New Testament was not written to nearly 70 or 80 years after the death and resurrection of Christ and the works would not be combined into the Bible until more than a century later and indeed it was the Church that sorted out the True Scriptures from the False Scriptures. In other words, the Church’s spiritual authority preceded the Bible and was based on the Oral teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. And the new "traditions" brought in by each generation of popes and cardinals are NOT THE SAME TRADITIONS as the first century church, the one Jesus founded.
Believe it or not the basic Tradition of the Church has not changed much in the last 2000 years; not at its core. If you read Christian writers from the early days of the Church (Iraneus and Origen for example) you will find that concepts such as Mary’s perpetual virginity, the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and the immaculate connception were all there. Sure later generations would flesh out the understanding of these traditions, but the basic Tradition remained the same. Remember, the Church preceded the Bible as we know it today by some 400 years. The Church came first! No, the rcc became the rcc almost 400 years after Jesus’ ascention, and the SCRIPTURES WERE WRITTEN as early as 59 AD (We have copies of Mark and John solidly dated then, according to reports on National Public Radio last year).
John was not written in 59 AD, probably closer to 100. And in any case it is irrelevant. Regardless of whether the whole Bible existed in 59 AD (Which it certainly did not) or whether it was completed in the early 2nd Century and assembled into something resembling the Modern Catholic Form sometime later (since the Protestant Bible with its reduced canon doesn’t exist for another 1000+ years) the basic point is that the Church existed from the time of the Last Supper. The Church precedes the New Testament. Men were saved because of their faith in Christ and membership in the Church before a single word of the New Testament was penned. BTW, how do you figure the Catholic Church did not exist for 400 years after Jesus ascension? Certainly the Catholic Church existed at the time of the first Ecumenical Council which happened about 300 years after the Ascension. Just because they weren’t put together in one volumn doesn’t mean they weren’t there.
For much of the time not all the scriptures were available to all the local churches and in addition there were many, many other works that claimed scriptural authority; the Gospels of Thomas, Mary Magdeline and Peter, the Apocolypse of Peter for example. It was the Church that seperated the wheat from the chaff. Your church has lied to you and cannot explain how all of us Baptist Christians and other kinds of Christians can be part of the Body of Christ when we are not rcc.
The Church can explain how all true believers in Christ can be saved by Christ and that all believers are in some sense united to the Church. This is all clearly laid out in Church Teaching. We do believe that the Catholic Church represents the pure and unadulterated Christianity that Christ and the Apostles established and that through the Sacrements we are strengthed to live a true life of faith. Please, if all you want to do is throw garbage at others,dont put in any messages… If you say its 2 Tim 3:16, it says "All scripture is inspired by God…" Doesnt say "ONLY scripture is inspired by God.."!!! And what about 2 Thes 2:15 where Paul urges the Thessolonians to stand firm in tradition??!!! But WHICH traditions? The traditions taught THEN BY THE APOSTLES, not "new stuff" made up later by each new generation of pope and cardinals to sooth their tickling ears.
Not traditions, Tradition. Tradition is made up both of Scripture and the oral teachings of the Apostles and of Jesus. The Popes and the Cardinals do not innovate, they do not and cannot add to Tradition. What they can do is they can help understand certain aspects of Tradition through theology and explinations. When the Pope speaks infalliby on a matter of Dogma, he is not creating a new belief but rather he is simply making the Church’s understanding of Tradition clear. — Bill
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Hi, For those of you who would like to seriously and seeking the truth in sincerity debate,I would like to ask, where is sola scriptura in the Bible? Please, if all you want to do is throw garbage at others,dont put in any messages… If you say its 2 Tim 3:16, it says "All scripture is inspired by God…" Doesnt say "ONLY scripture is inspired by God.."!!! And what about 2 Thes 2:15 where Paul urges the Thessolonians to stand firm in tradition??!!! Blessings, Leo
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I think you summed it up very well, bam. You DON’T care whether your practices agree with what God gave in scripture or not! Correct. The Church is infallible. We pronounced the Bible the written word of God. But that didn’t make it superior to the Church. We can change anything we deem necessary. And we do so without shame.
All lies, and one thing for sure it is not fire proof, and will burn in Hell with the rest of the unrully and them that reject the Holy Word of God as found in the Bible. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BAM
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where is sola scriptura in the Bible?
It’s not. — Tiger [Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
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Hi, For those of you who would like to seriously and seeking the truth in sincerity debate,I would like to ask, where is sola scriptura in the Bible?
It doesn’t and that is why sola scriptura is a lie. You can’t pick the Bible up and interpret it the way you want. You must have Magisterial Teaching, Scripture and Tradition that is what Devine Revelation is. None of these can exist without the other. Remember, the Church preceded the Bible as we know it today by some 400 years. The Church came first! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Please, if all you want to do is throw garbage at others,dont put in any messages… If you say its 2 Tim 3:16, it says "All scripture is inspired by God…" Doesnt say "ONLY scripture is inspired by God.."!!! And what about 2 Thes 2:15 where Paul urges the Thessolonians to stand firm in tradition??!!! Blessings, Leo
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you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal : where is sola scriptura in the Bible? It’s not.
Of course, neither is papacy, mary mother of God, mary forever virgin either. Christian
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you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal : where is sola scriptura in the Bible? It’s not. Of course, neither is papacy, mary mother of God, mary forever virgin either.
Non sequitur. BTW, how do you know II Timothy 3:16 is inspired? Still too tough a question? — Tiger [Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
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you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic : Hi, For those of you who would like to seriously and seeking the truth in sincerity debate,I would like to ask, where is sola scriptura in the Bible? It doesn’t and that is why sola scriptura is a lie.
So using your own "logic," the papacy is a lie (it is not mentioned in the Bible either), mary as the mother of God is a lie (it is not mentioned in the Bible either), mary as redemptrix is a lie (it is not mentioned in the Bible either), and mary forever virgin is a lie (it is not mentioned in the Bible either). You can’t just apply your own logic to one point without including the other points like it. You can’t pick the Bible up and interpret it the way you want. You must have Magisterial Teaching, Scripture and Tradition that is what Devine Revelation is. None of these can exist without the other.
Pure nonsense. The Bible is for: 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. Since SCRiPTURE is for teaching, and all that stuff, the SCRIPTURE must be "up to the task." SHOW ME "magisterial teaching" in the Scripture, or by your own "logic" "magisterial teaching" is a lie. And the new "traditions" brought in by each generation of popes and cardinals are NOT THE SAME TRADITIONS as the first century church, the one Jesus founded. Remember, the Church preceded the Bible as we know it today by some 400 years. The Church came first!
No, the rcc became the rcc almost 400 years after Jesus’ ascention, and the SCRIPTURES WERE WRITTEN as early as 59 AD (We have copies of Mark and John solidly dated then, according to reports on National Public Radio last year). Just because they weren’t put together in one volumn doesn’t mean they weren’t there. Your church has lied to you and cannot explain how all of us Baptist Christians and other kinds of Christians can be part of the Body of Christ when we are not rcc. Please, if all you want to do is throw garbage at others,dont put in any messages… If you say its 2 Tim 3:16, it says "All scripture is inspired by God…" Doesnt say "ONLY scripture is inspired by God.."!!! And what about 2 Thes 2:15 where Paul urges the Thessolonians to stand firm in tradition??!!!
But WHICH traditions? The traditions taught THEN BY THE APOSTLES, not "new stuff" made up later by each new generation of pope and cardinals to sooth their tickling ears. Christian
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It doesn’t and that is why sola scriptura is a lie. So using your own "logic," the papacy is a lie (it is not mentioned in
You just don’t get it, do you? If someone says "sola scriptura", then that must agree with scripture. But we Catholics do not say "sola scriptura"; we don’t even need the Bible. So we don’t need to prove our validity through scripture. BAM
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal : Hi, For those of you who would like to seriously and seeking the truth in sincerity debate,I would like to ask, where is sola scriptura in the Bible? Please, if all you want to do is throw garbage at others,dont put in any messages… If you say its 2 Tim 3:16, it says "All scripture is inspired by God…" Doesnt say "ONLY scripture is inspired by God.."!!! And what about 2 Thes 2:15 where Paul urges the Thessolonians to stand firm in tradition??!!! And it NEVER says ola pope either! Nor does it say "college of cardinals." Or infallible pope. Or mary, mother of God either. And the "tradition in 2 thessalonians 2:15? They were the "traditions" of the FIRST century Christians, not NEW "stuff" brought in by each new generation of leaders, stuff that tickles their individual ears!
Oh you mean the NEW stuff you produce denying the baptism of the Holy Ghost and your forbidding people speaking in tongues??? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Christian
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Hi, For those of you who would like to seriously and seeking the truth in sincerity debate,I would like to ask, where is sola scriptura in the Bible?
Well that question shows your not sincere and already have a silly debate in your mind, since you will never find a non-english word as such in the English Bible. If you were in sincerity you would of just called it what it is. "Only Bible" or "Scripture only" as the proof if something is found in the Bible or not, and if something is true according to the Bible. All are as you put it "sola scriptura" and so makes that true. The term you choise is used not for truth, but to bring in the Catholic false teachings and mock the Holy Bible. Please, if all you want to do is throw garbage at others,dont put in any
messages… Then what have you just done? If you say its 2 Tim 3:16, it says "All scripture is inspired by God…"
No it does not, why not read the whole scripture and find out what it did say? 2 Tim 3:16-17 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. NKJV Doesnt say "ONLY scripture is inspired by God.."!!!
Sure it DOES! Since the name "scripture" means: "Any writing that is regarded as sacred by a religious group ,The sacred writings of the Christian religion" What other words would you like to add? Prov 30:6 Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar. NKJV And what about 2 Thes 2:15 where Paul urges the Thessolonians to stand firm in tradition??!!!
Well when you cut everything out, and only leave a very small portion of the verse, one could prove what ever they want, and still not be bible or what was writen in the verse. So lets look at the whole of this matter, and the verses around that one cut up verse you used to see what they were talking about. 2 Thess 2:13-17 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle. 16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work. NKJV Jesus said He was the "Way, the Truth and the Life" so belief in the truth of Jesus, which is found only in the Bible. "Sola scriptura". You are welcome. 
You seem to think Paul and such were teaching outside the bible or other words, then since what they did say did become the Bible we have today, it is still only Bible, or "sola scriptura" their teachings are IN the Bible! The traditions they are pointing out were theirs, and in the Bible which we have today. Still ONLY BIBLE, or your "sola scriptura". Our comfort comes from what was writen, and being written at that time in the New Testament, not the traditions of man but the Word of God and Gods traditions, found ONLY IN THE BIBLE. It would seem you are trying to make your traditions, those of Paul and the Bible, then only in the bible is the traditions of God, and ONLY BIBLE is the place we find which are of God and the Apostles as they were then making the New Testament in their life time. 1 Cor 11:2-3 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you. Again we find Paul is limiting the teachings only to the Bible and what He was teaching and HIS traditions which He delivered to them, not others centuries later, and traditions that lead to false teachings and are not from the Bible only, which would make them surely correct. Matt 15:3 He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? In that verse we find the kind of traditions that were not Bible only so ended up as false and transgress the commandments of God. Those that trust in tradition not found in the "sola scriptura" the Bible only, end up in sin and false teachings. as the next shows what happens with people ADD to the Bible and Add to the traditions found in the Bible, it is called "your tradition" and is seen as Hypocritical. Matt 15:6-9 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 8 "These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’" Col 2:8-10 8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. NKJV So if you are honest you would make sure all your teachings were just that "sola scriptura" Bible only, as others lead to destrustion, lies and evil. The truth is found only in Jesus as all the fullness of God is in Him, not the outside of the Christ of the Bible. We are complete in HIM. He Jesus not a pope, not peter, not someone else is the HEAD of ALL principality and power. The truth is found ONLY IN THE BIBLE as that is what the bible is teachings. Then be nice to use English if your going to post in English. Latin if you use Latin. Thank you. Same verses in the Latin Vulate Bible. Would you like to use it to prove your point? I think if you read it in Latin, It still agrees with the Bible ONLY "sola scripura" 8 videte ne quis vos decipiat per philosophiam et inanem fallaciam secundum traditionem hominum secundum elementa mundi et non secundum Christum 9 quia in ipso inhabitat omnis plenitudo divinitatis corporaliter 10 et estis in illo repleti qui est caput omnis principatus et potestatis I so enjoyed post to you. Then 2 Timothy 3 did say it so well in this verse. 16 omnis scriptura divinitus inspirata et utilis ad docendum ad arguendum ad corrigendum ad erudiendum in iustitia 17 ut perfectus sit homo Dei ad omne opus bonum instructus Blessings,
Thank you, and my the blessings of God teach you His ways. Raymond – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Leo
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal : where is sola scriptura in the Bible? It’s not. Of course, neither is papacy, mary mother of God, mary forever virgin either.
Irrelevant. A) We aren’t talking about an of those three things and B) Catholics have never pretended to explain our beliefs via Sola Scriptura.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic : Hi, For those of you who would like to seriously and seeking the truth in sincerity debate,I would like to ask, where is sola scriptura in the Bible? It doesn’t and that is why sola scriptura is a lie. So using your own "logic," the papacy is a lie (it is not mentioned in the Bible either), mary as the mother of God is a lie (it is not mentioned in the Bible either), mary as redemptrix is a lie (it is not mentioned in the Bible either), and mary forever virgin is a lie (it is not mentioned in the Bible either).
Your point is nonsensical because it isn’t by "our logic." We’ve never said that our doctrines have to hold up to the scrutiny of "Sola Scriptura." You also completely miss the point, which is that Sola Scriptura is nonsense because it fails its own test!
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And it NEVER says ola pope either! Nor does it say "college of cardinals." Or infallible pope. Or mary, mother of God either.
You accept their trinity, why do you balk at their other inventions? You are attacking your mother church and your spiritual brethern. Pastor Winter — Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio) Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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Raymond – the Church was 400 years old before we put out the Bible. We don’t need the Bible. You do, because it serves you like a ventriloquist’s dummy. You can make it say anything you want. Then you blame the dummy as if the message came from him instead of you. BAM
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, For those of you who would like to seriously and seeking the truth in sincerity debate,I would like to ask, where is sola scriptura in the Bible? Well that question shows your not sincere and already have a silly debate in your mind, since you will never find a non-english word as such in the English Bible. If you were in sincerity you would of just called it what it is. "Only Bible" or "Scripture only" as the proof if something is found in the Bible or not, and if something is true according to the Bible. All are as you put it "sola scriptura" and so makes that true. The term you choise is used not for truth, but to bring in the Catholic false teachings and mock the Holy Bible. Please, if all you want to do is throw garbage at others,dont put in any messages… Then what have you just done? If you say its 2 Tim 3:16, it says "All scripture is inspired by God…" No it does not, why not read the whole scripture and find out what it did say? 2 Tim 3:16-17 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. NKJV Doesnt say "ONLY scripture is inspired by God.."!!! Sure it DOES! Since the name "scripture" means: "Any writing that is regarded as sacred by a religious group ,The sacred writings of the Christian religion" What other words would you like to add? Prov 30:6 Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar. NKJV And what about 2 Thes 2:15 where Paul urges the Thessolonians to stand firm in tradition??!!! Well when you cut everything out, and only leave a very small portion of the verse, one could prove what ever they want, and still not be bible or what was writen in the verse. So lets look at the whole of this matter, and the verses around that one cut up verse you used to see what they were talking about. 2 Thess 2:13-17 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle. 16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work. NKJV Jesus said He was the "Way, the Truth and the Life" so belief in the truth of Jesus, which is found only in the Bible. "Sola scriptura". You are welcome. You seem to think Paul and such were teaching outside the bible or other words, then since what they did say did become the Bible we have today, it is still only Bible, or "sola scriptura" their teachings are IN the Bible! The traditions they are pointing out were theirs, and in the Bible which we have today. Still ONLY BIBLE, or your "sola scriptura". Our comfort comes from what was writen, and being written at that time in the New Testament, not the traditions of man but the Word of God and Gods traditions, found ONLY IN THE BIBLE. It would seem you are trying to make your traditions, those of Paul and the Bible, then only in the bible is the traditions of God, and ONLY BIBLE is the place we find which are of God and the Apostles as they were then making the New Testament in their life time. 1 Cor 11:2-3 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you. Again we find Paul is limiting the teachings only to the Bible and what He was teaching and HIS traditions which He delivered to them, not others centuries later, and traditions that lead to false teachings and are not from the Bible only, which would make them surely correct. Matt 15:3 He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? In that verse we find the kind of traditions that were not Bible only so ended up as false and transgress the commandments of God. Those that trust in tradition not found in the "sola scriptura" the Bible only, end up in sin and false teachings. as the next shows what happens with people ADD to the Bible and Add to the traditions found in the Bible, it is called "your tradition" and is seen as Hypocritical. Matt 15:6-9 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 8 "These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’" Col 2:8-10 8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. NKJV So if you are honest you would make sure all your teachings were just that "sola scriptura" Bible only, as others lead to destrustion, lies and evil. The truth is found only in Jesus as all the fullness of God is in Him, not the outside of the Christ of the Bible. We are complete in HIM. He Jesus not a pope, not peter, not someone else is the HEAD of ALL principality and power. The truth is found ONLY IN THE BIBLE as that is what the bible is teachings. Then be nice to use English if your going to post in English. Latin if you use Latin. Thank you. Same verses in the Latin Vulate Bible. Would you like to use it to prove your point? I think if you read it in Latin, It still agrees with the Bible ONLY "sola scripura" 8 videte ne quis vos decipiat per philosophiam et inanem fallaciam secundum traditionem hominum secundum elementa mundi et non secundum Christum 9 quia in ipso inhabitat omnis plenitudo divinitatis corporaliter 10 et estis in illo repleti qui est caput omnis principatus et potestatis I so enjoyed post to you. Then 2 Timothy 3 did say it so well in this verse. 16 omnis scriptura divinitus inspirata et utilis ad docendum ad arguendum ad corrigendum ad erudiendum in iustitia 17 ut perfectus sit homo Dei ad omne opus bonum instructus Blessings, Thank you, and my the blessings of God teach you His ways. Raymond Leo
Response:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal : where is sola scriptura in the Bible? It’s not. Of course, neither is papacy, mary mother of God, mary forever virgin either. Non sequitur. BTW, how do you know II Timothy 3:16 is inspired? Still too tough a question?
Could it be because it was also in tongues? 16 omnis scriptura divinitus inspirata et utilis ad docendum ad arguendum ad corrigendum ad erudiendum in iustitia 17 ut perfectus sit homo Dei ad omne opus bonum instructus – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Tiger [Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
Response:
Catholics don’t believe in sola scriptura. We don’t need Biblical permission. So true, Hell is open for everyone that doesn’t accept the Bible and its really hot on that trip.
Your a bad soldier in Christ’s army, Raymond. BAM
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