Catholics & Catholicism

Question:

But you are headed in a bad direction with this attitude of yours.

I’m not saying this to be shitty [ ... which is your typical backwoods Roman Catholic way of addressing Catholics who are not members of the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church] but if you have this attitude at home, you may lose another wife. Who would want to live with this?

FYI … my second wife … who was Methodist … joined the Episcopal Church 17 years ago … shortly after we married.  We are both members of the Episcopal Church USA, and both of us are active in the Anglo- Catholic ministry of our parish. Regards Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : : Except….we’re not reading the Vulgate anymore. : : I get so, so, so tired of fighting you anti-Catholics.  You don’t have a flipping : idea what you’re writing about.  You’re always fighting against what you’ve been : *told* is Catholicism.  The only reason I’m responding today is because I feel : energetic. : : Now go away. : Just tell him King James was a homo.  That usually incapacitates the true believers in the True Translation. Oh, and he drooled, too.  The Scots’ nickname for him was "Sharlin’ Jamie" (drooling Jamie) which is what my friend Don McKillican calls him to this day.

It was the written word of Luther that led Jamie down the path of drooling, homoing and cross dressing.  When you see these acts today, know it now that it comes from their traditions. John

Response:

Some manuscripts contained that verse, others did not. It was a point of dispute among biblical scholars for a long time as to whether it was authentic or not. The weight of evidence is that it was a later addition to the text.

Then why does it not show up in any of the later translations (Catholic AND Protestant) of the New Testament? But it is unreasonable to blame the Vulgate, written in the early centuries without the advantage of centuries of later scholarship, or access to manuscripts, as corrupt becuase of this detail.

The Vulgate is not to blame … of course, one cannot blame the book. The authors, however, are fully accountable.  How did they justify the addition of text that was not found in the original Greek texts?  And how does the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church defend these additions to the originals? The KJV which is still in use among many branches of Protestantism still includes it, as does the little pocket bible produced by the Gideon Society.

As an Anglican, I am not concerned about the content of the KJV.  I’ve not known the KJV to be the standard in Anglican churches for as long as I’ve been Anglican. In any event, the Vulgate has long since been replaced by vernacular translations which don’t include the verse in question.

Then how do you account for the role, in modern Roman Catholic theology of the Virgin Mary, and the sacraments, without reference to the influence of the Vulgate?  Where did all of this come from?  (These are the same questions that Luther asked.) Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then my real enemies are few and harmless. Bruce K. Darling wrote Thank you.  You’ve made my point.  Please post more.  You are you own worst enemy. Then my real enemies are few and harmless. My point has been made.  You are, without question, a mental midget.

Wow Bwucie-Boko, it took you a whole two days to come up with this stupidity. I’m sure BAM is devestated. Salome Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Again – this was not aimed at you.  Salami, bam bam, and brouyns (sp) will understand, however — as they can all be described as true believers.

A) B-R-U-Y-N-S. You should know that, Bwucie, as many times as you’ve seen his name. B) Yes, we are true believers and we’re proud of it. Was that supposed to be an insult? C) You are bitter and need therapy. I get so, so, so tired of fighting you anti-Catholics.  You don’t have a flipping idea what you’re writing about. Stephanie – I walked away from the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church after a VERY, VERY, VERY protracted and nasty divorce (without children) … a divorce that I did not handle well … especially during the annullment petition … especially after the bitch decided that it was time to cozy up to the church after meeting another obedient Catholic male.  I ended up looking like dog shit, because I wanted to get the harpie out of my life.  So don’t pretend to tell me what Catholicism is about.  You arrogant twits make me sick.

I get it Bruce. My, you just give it all away, don’t you? It’s one thing that you feel cheated and are bitter at the Church. Completely understandable, given your situation. I’m not sure I wouldn’t have reacted the same way if I’d been in your shoes. I can imagine it’s terrible to lose a spouse, and even worse to feel that somehow the Church had a hand in that, at least indirectly. But what I don’t get is your hateful attitude tworads the Catholics on this list. Spewing hatred at us won’t make things change from the way they are. I don’t know if your wife got an annulmet or what she did, but you have a new wife, so why carry on with this bitterness? Can’t you just move forward and be glad that you have a wife at all? I imagine you must love her if you married her, so isn’t that good enough for you? I thought love was supposed to be healing. You don’t sound healed at all and you’re taking it out on all the wrong people. Just becasue we believe in the Church…we’re happy with what we believe! So what?? You can be happy with what you believe too. But you are headed in a bad direction with this attitude of yours. I’m not saying this to be shitty, but if you have this attitude at home, you may lose another wife. Who would want to live with this? Salome Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then my real enemies are few and harmless. Bruce K. Darling wrote Thank you.  You’ve made my point.  Please post more.  You are you own worst enemy. Then my real enemies are few and harmless. My point has been made.  You are, without question, a mental midget. Wow Bwucie-Boko, it took you a whole two days to come up with this stupidity. I’m sure BAM is devestated.

Two days, Salome… that’s not bad considering Bwucie’s a team player. Imagine the heated arguments between Bwucie, Boko, the false JC, Darcy-slaw – and no doubt the ‘BokOnanist’, slowing them down… Quite a committee, that lot. And all of them there in Bwucie’s huge head! Dex – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Salome Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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… her usual pile of hypersensitive Roman Catholic crap. BKD: The following is paraphrased from A. Burgess’ A Clockwork Orange: "Well, well, well – If it isn’t Mother Inferior [Salami] in poison. Wherefore art thou … thou globby bottle of cheap stinking chip oil? Come and get one in the yarbles … if you have any yarbles … you eunuch jelly, thou!" Salami – It fits you so well! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Then my real enemies are few and harmless.

Bruce K. Darling wrote Thank you.  You’ve made my point.  Please post more.  You are you own worst enemy. Then my real enemies are few and harmless.

My point has been made.  You are, without question, a mental midget. Now … for your entertainment (of course, the game of marbles is probably enough to confound you) – I offer the following passage from the latest biography of the greatest of reformers, Martin Luther (Marius, R., 1999, Martin Luther: the Christian between God and Death.  Harvard Univ. Press,. 542 p.) This one deals with the sacraments … something obviously near and dear to your heart … but apparently beyond your grasp.  I look forward to seeing you wave your arms wildly enough to take flight in your defense of Papal nonsense. Regards Here it is: Luther had studied the Greek New Testament of Erasmus.  He knew that the Latin word "sacramentum" translated the Greek word that we usually translate as "mystery," and that it did not denote a "sign" of some secret and sacred act of God but that a "mystery" was the act itself.  He found only three sacraments in the New Testament that fitted his first rubric: baptism, the Eucharist, and penance.  He rejected four sacraments practiced for many centuries: confirmation, ordination, marriage, and extreme unction.  He argued that the sacraments he dismissed possessed neither scriptural authority nor great antiquity.  By this rejection he attacked the heart of the Catholic tradition, the faith that God would not let all his church err about something so essential to salvation.  (IN FACT THROUGH THE CENTURIES THE NUMBER OF SACRAMENTS HAD VARIED.  ONLY IN THE TWELFTH CENTURY DID PETER THE LOMBARD’S GREAT "FOUR BOOKS OF THE SENTENCES" FINALLY CERTIFY THE DOGMA OF SEVEN SACRAMENTS. [Emphasis added by BKD   Oops!  History gets in the way of Roman Cathoic Orthodoxy