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Sir you are SADLY mistaken. You do NOT keep yourself saved, as you did NOTHING TO EARN salvation, it was a GIFT. Jesus did all the WORK and GOD keeps you saved, no matter WHAT YOU DO!
What if you stop believing in him? You are saved by faith plus works. Yes, and so does St. James in YOUR Bible. Nope, the works he is talking about is the WORKS that you do IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AFTER you are SAVED!
Where does it say that? I think a man is justified by what he does, and not by faith alone. commandments] there shall NO FLESH [person] be justified in his [Gods] sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." The commandements were give so that people would see their need for a savior, the Lord Jesus Christ! Baptism saves NO ONE!
1 Peter 3:21 This water [the water of Noah's flood] symbolizes baptism that now saves you also.
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Before you go on, you are saying things in direct opposition to what the Catholic leadership teaches.
Someone knowledgeable enough to argue these points does not enjoy the protection of impergnable ignorance. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (This is my list of heretical fundie crap trolls that are so common to this group) On July 9, 1999 this list was ammended. See my change in number 3! Top Ten Catholic Bashing Hits: 10 "The Pope is the Anti Christ" 9 "You Worship Mary" 8 "You practice idolatry by worshiping Saints" 7 "You are going to Hell because you don’t worship the Bible" 6 "Mary had other children" 5 "Mary is the Whore of Babylon" (sometimes called "Rome is the Whore of Babylon") 4 "The Rosary is Hindu Heresy" 3 "You can only be saved by Faith alone, Works have no place, so your church is the church of Satan" 2 "You bow to a papist dictator" and my favorite number one fundie crap post 1 "You are Catholic so you dont know about Christ"
Are you denying that this newsgroup and others do not get a million troll posts with these subjects every week?
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Independent Fundamental Baptist wrote Matthew 15:9, "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Yes,and that’s what YOU do. You teach doctrines that are nowhere to be found in the first 1600 years of Christianity. Nowhere. Your doctrines were invented by Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Knox,and a host of other self professed oracles of the Holy Spirit.
Whether your "doctrines " are right or wrong put aside, your knowledge of Christian history is completely off track. Luther just happened to be the most powerful member of the Catholic Church who, in his mind, wanted to set the Catholic Church straight. Part of it was the abuse by the Catholic Church of penances and the other was the works oriented salvation. It was by no means new. There are plenty of writings from the first and second century which were the same or similar. After the 4th century they were not part of the politically correct teeachings and had little appearance in the politically established church. The Catholic leaders called the other churches "The people from the woods or forest" (Waldenses). The "outsiders" were always there. Luther was a Catholic monk (hence protestant) and the printing press came into being. The ONLY thing new was the printing press. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We teach thatwhich Jesus taught the Apostles, and anything else the Church teaches, who were promised, "Whatsoever ye bind on earth shall be bound in heaven." BAM BAM
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Independent Fundamental Baptist wrote Jesus and His Word teach… You are saved by faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9). You can’t read, bub. It says we are saved BY GRACE through faith and not works. Why did you misquote? I believe the Council of Trent pointed this out when your religious father, Martin Luther erroneously stated that we are saved "by faith only". At the outset "faith alone" will suffice. It sufficed for the theif on the cross (even though his faith was part an parcel of an act). But after that, we have to live a Christlike life. (So do you want to start over with your nonsensical attacks?)
It is definitely BY the Grace of God that we are saved. The GIFT is faith, given BY GRACE. Martin Luther was a Greek scholar and he didn’t clip off the gift part. 1610 English didn’t help the translation at all. We are given a gift by Grace. The passage clearly states "not by works" The passage clearly states "gift" The passage clearly states faith is the gift which saves. James and Jesus repeat that fake salvation will not have works as a fruit. Works without faith are vain No works is a sure indication of no faith, no salvation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Salvation occurs at the moment you believe the Gospel (Ephesians 1:13). Jesus purifies sin (Hebrews 1:3). You can know for sure you are saved (1 John 5:13). The sacrifice of Jesus is finished (John 19:30). And salvation ceases the moment you sin again. That’s why Jesus empowered HIs Apostles to forgive sins. (unless of course, you have a better reason why Jesus breathed on them, told them to "receive the Holy Spirit" and said what He said.) The sacrifice of Jesus is finished, yes. But we do as Jesus commanded and re-present the sacrifice in commemoration.
Jesus covered ALL sin on the cross. Jesus forgave all sin, past, present and future on the cross. Any other teaching is PURE unadulterated dung from Satan The Pope and his church teach… You are saved by faith plus works. Yes, and so does St. James in YOUR Bible.
James says no such thing Obedience to the commandments is a condition for salvation. Yes. You thihnk that once you’re saved you can become the old shmuck you were before.
Obedience is a result of salvation and comes from the Holy Spirit. Any other belief is assuming you are this wonderfull person who is better than others. Salvation is a process from baptism through purgatory. Yes Purgatory purifies sin. Not exactly, but OK You are condemned if you claim to be saved. Probably. St. Paul told the FAITHFUL to work out their salvation with fear and trembling. You totally ignore this because it doesn’t fit your false formula.
Work out their salvation is NOT work for your salvation. Anyone with the slightest study knows that including Catholic (Jesuit) teachers who are clear on the issue. If you are given pay in advance, you work it out. If you are saved, you work it out. The sacrifice of Jesus continues in daily Mass.
Jesus died once and is at the right hand of God the Father. The Holy Spirit is the "temporary" replacement for Jesus on earth. To celebrate "Mass" and remember what Jesus, the Son of God did, even if one assumes transubstantiation, is a world away from further sacrifice by Jesus. Yes. This fulfills the prophecy of Malachias to the Jews: "For from the rising of the sun, even to the going down, great is my name among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrificing, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation; because my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of Hosts." I think you might wish to go ask your false teachers how to get out of this one. BAM
You might want to ask the teachers in your own church. You misrepresent them and do them an injustice. What does the quote from Malachi have to do with Mass or After Christ paid the price? Who said the prophesy was here yet? Do you have a clue about the context of the passage? Do you presuppose that all other Hebrew scholars are stupid? Whether in the Catholic church or in a Baptist environment there are one verse theologians that are totally off the wall. I stopped this writing and called a God son of mine who is a Jesuit Priest and he just laughed and said, "Oh no, not that one again? I don’t know why they don’t just accept their worship as different, do it, and quit trying to drag up nonsense reasoning. Call me back this evening and we can go over it"
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Sir you are a MORON! Notice THE DATES! LIST OF HERESIES And HUMAN TRADITIONS ADOPTED and PERPETUATED by the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH in the COURSE OF 1600 YEARS. (Compiled by Rev. Stephen L. Testa). "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" Jesus in John 8:32 Notice:- These dates are in many cases approximate. Many of these heresies had been current in the church years before, but only when they were officially adopted by a church council and proclaimed by the pope as dogma of faith, did they become binding on Catholics. And doctrine to be true must conform to the Word of God. "To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, it become there is no light in them." ( Isaiah 8:20 ). At the Reformation in the 16th Century these heresies were repudiated as having no part in the Religion of Jesus as taught in the New Testament. 1. OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Both began 300 years after 2. Wax Candles introduced in church ….320 3. Veneration of angels and dead saints 4. The Mass, as a daily celebration, ….394 5. The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus 6. Priests began to dress differently from the laity 7. The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great about the year…….593 8. The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after The Word of God forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue ( I Cor.14:9). 9. The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were there prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church (Matt.11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18) 10. The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas, in the This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory I, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "pope". Jesus did not appoint Peter to the leadership of the apostles and forbade such notion. (Luke 22:24-26; Eph.1:22-3;Col.1:18; I Cor.3:11 ). Note:- Nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd. bishop of Rome, remarks that "there is no real 1st century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome." 11. The kissing of the Pope’s feet began 09 It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev.19:10; 22:9). 12. The Temporal power of the Popes began When Pepin, the usurper of the throne of France, descended into Italy, called by Pope Stephen II, to war against the Italian Lombards, he defeated them and gave the city of Rome and surrounding territory to the pope. Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He Himself refused worldly kingship (Read Matt.4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38). 13. Worship of the cross, of images and relics was authorized This was by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time. Such practice is called simply IDOLATRY in the Bible, and is severly condemned (Read Ex.20:4; 3:17; Deut.27:15; Psalm 115). 14. Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was 15. The veneration of St.Joseph began ..890 16. The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV, in the 17. Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV Every believer and follower of Christ is called saint in the Bible (Read Rom.1:7; I Cor.1:2). 18. Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed in the Imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. (Bull, or permit to eat meat), some authorities say, began in the year 700. This is against the plain teaching of the Bible (Read Matt.15:10; I Cor.10:25; I Tim.4:1-3). 19. The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century. The Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was offered once and for all, and is not to be repeated, but only commemorated in the Lord’s Supper (Read Heb.7:27; 9:26-28; 10:10-14). 20. The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VIII, in ……1079 Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St.Peter was a married man, and St.Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children (Read I Tim.3:2,5 and 12; Matt.8:14-15). 21. The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans. The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ (Matt.6:5-13). 22. The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His 4 23. The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin, began in the Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic, and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. 24. The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lord’s Supper is simply a memorial of sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord’s Supper. (Read Luke 22:19-20; John 6:35; I Cor.11:26). 25. Confession of sins to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III, in the Lateran Council, in the The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psa.51:1-10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; I John 1:8-9). 26. The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius in the So the Roman Church worships a god made human hands. This is plain idolatry and absolutely contrary to the spirit of the gospel. (Read John 4:24). 27. The Bible forbidden to layman and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia Jesus commanded that the Scriptures should be read by all (John 5:39; I Tim.3:15-17). 28. The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, an English monk, in the It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. This is fetishism. 29. The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance in 1414 The Bible commands us to celebrate the Lord’s Supper with unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine (Read Matt.26:27; I Cor. 11:26-29). 30. The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by the Council of Florence There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins. (Read I John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Rom.8:1). 31. The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed in The Bible says that Christ instituted only two ordinances, Baptism and the Lord’s Supper. (Read Mt.28:19-20; 26:26-28). 32. The Ave Maria, part of the last half in 08 It was completed 50 years afterward and finally approved by Pope Sixtus V., at the end of the 16th century. 33. The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the … read more »
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See the BIBLE vs Catholicism and see who WINS! (Hint – He doesn’t wear a FUNNY HAT!)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does BAM even read? If he does, why does he still INSIST that the RC Church and the Bible agree, when they ABSOLUTELY DO NOT! RC CONTRADICTS THE TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE Dear "Independet Fundamental Baptist" (What ever that means): It is clear that you havent read my list of top ten fundie heresies. Your little ‘religion’, founded by people who were not of strong enough character to live by the teachings of Christ’s one and only church on earth, is a heresy, a blasphemy against Christ and His Teachings, and your soul is in peril. Please please find it in your soul to see the Truth in the Catholic Church. I will pray for you to see the light. In the mean time, I will post the following list of the top ten fundie posts. These topics come up so often, that everyone who reads this group has heard them before. If all you came to do was flame, you will get flames in return: See specifically #3. Please please consider your ultimate fate. You are in danger of damnation, because you have turned your back on Christ. You do not have the defence of ignorance of His Teachings through his Only Catholic and Apostolic Church on Earth. (This is my list of heretical fundie crap trolls that are so common to this group) On July 9, 1999 this list was ammended. See my change in number 3! Top Ten Catholic Bashing Hits: 10 "The Pope is the Anti Christ" 9 "You Worship Mary" 8 "You practice idolatry by worshiping Saints" 7 "You are going to Hell because you don’t worship the Bible" 6 "Mary had other children" 5 "Mary is the Whore of Babylon" (sometimes called "Rome is the Whore of Babylon") 4 "The Rosary is Hindu Heresy" 3 "You can only be saved by Faith alone, Works have no place, so your church is the church of Satan" 2 "You bow to a papist dictator" and my favorite number one fundie crap post 1 "You are Catholic so you dont know about Christ"
The teachings of Romansim are found NOWHERE in the Bible…. They are TRADITIONS of MEN and not teachings of JESUS! LIST OF HERESIES And HUMAN TRADITIONS ADOPTED and PERPETUATED by the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH in the COURSE OF 1600 YEARS. (Compiled by Rev. Stephen L. Testa). "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" Jesus in John 8:32 Notice:- These dates are in many cases approximate. Many of these heresies had been current in the church years before, but only when they were officially adopted by a church council and proclaimed by the pope as dogma of faith, did they become binding on Catholics. And doctrine to be true must conform to the Word of God. "To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, it become there is no light in them." ( Isaiah 8:20 ). At the Reformation in the 16th Century these heresies were repudiated as having no part in the Religion of Jesus as taught in the New Testament. 1. OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Both began 300 years after 2. Wax Candles introduced in church ….320 3. Veneration of angels and dead saints 4. The Mass, as a daily celebration, ….394 5. The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus 6. Priests began to dress differently from the laity 7. The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great about the year…….593 8. The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after The Word of God forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue ( I Cor.14:9). 9. The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were there prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church (Matt.11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18) 10. The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas, in the This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory I, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "pope". Jesus did not appoint Peter to the leadership of the apostles and forbade such notion. (Luke 22:24-26; Eph.1:22-3;Col.1:18; I Cor.3:11 ). Note:- Nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd. bishop of Rome, remarks that "there is no real 1st century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome." 11. The kissing of the Pope’s feet began 09 It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev.19:10; 22:9). 12. The Temporal power of the Popes began When Pepin, the usurper of the throne of France, descended into Italy, called by Pope Stephen II, to war against the Italian Lombards, he defeated them and gave the city of Rome and surrounding territory to the pope. Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He Himself refused worldly kingship (Read Matt.4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38). 13. Worship of the cross, of images and relics was authorized This was by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time. Such practice is called simply IDOLATRY in the Bible, and is severly condemned (Read Ex.20:4; 3:17; Deut.27:15; Psalm 115). 14. Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was 15. The veneration of St.Joseph began ..890 16. The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV, in the 17. Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV Every believer and follower of Christ is called saint in the Bible (Read Rom.1:7; I Cor.1:2). 18. Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed in the Imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. (Bull, or permit to eat meat), some authorities say, began in the year 700. This is against the plain teaching of the Bible (Read Matt.15:10; I Cor.10:25; I Tim.4:1-3). 19. The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century. The Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was offered once and for all, and is not to be repeated, but only commemorated in the Lord’s Supper (Read Heb.7:27; 9:26-28; 10:10-14). 20. The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VIII, in ……1079 Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St.Peter was a married man, and St.Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children (Read I Tim.3:2,5 and 12; Matt.8:14-15). 21. The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans. The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ (Matt.6:5-13). 22. The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His 4 23. The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin, began in the Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic, and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. 24. The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lord’s Supper is simply a memorial of sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord’s Supper. (Read Luke 22:19-20; John 6:35; I Cor.11:26). 25. Confession of sins to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III, in the … read more »
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Catholicism VS Bible Get the FACTS at Http://members.xoom.com/catholic.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Independent Fundamental Baptist wrote Jesus and His Word teach… You are saved by faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9). You can’t read, bub. It says we are saved BY GRACE through faith and not works. Why did you misquote? I believe the Council of Trent pointed this out when your religious father, Martin Luther erroneously stated that we are saved "by faith only". At the outset "faith alone" will suffice. It sufficed for the theif on the cross (even though his faith was part an parcel of an act). But after that, we have to live a Christlike life. (So do you want to start over with your nonsensical attacks?)
Sir you are SADLY mistaken. You do NOT keep yourself saved, as you did NOTHING TO EARN salvation, it was a GIFT. Jesus did all the WORK and GOD keeps you saved, no matter WHAT YOU DO! Do you believe the Bible? John 10:27-30, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them ETERNAL LIFE; and they shall NEVER PERISH, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one." How long is ETERNAL? Until you commit one sin? Or FOREVER? What does NEVER PERISH MEAN? I think you have let some dimwit comfuse you, as I am sure you believe the BIBLE over some biblical ignoramous! Salvation occurs at the moment you believe the Gospel (Ephesians 1:13). Jesus purifies sin (Hebrews 1:3). You can know for sure you are saved (1 John 5:13). The sacrifice of Jesus is finished (John 19:30). And salvation ceases the moment you sin again.
More GARBAGE: Read the Bible: John 10:27-30, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them ETERNAL LIFE; and they shall NEVER PERISH, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one." How long is ETERNAL? Until you commit one sin? Or FOREVER? What does NEVER PERISH MEAN? Let me explain it to you like I would a young child. Were born BEFORE Jesus? No! Were you living WHILE JESUS WAS ON THE EARTH? No! Were you born AFTER Jesus went to the cross? YES! So the ONLY sins he paid for were your FUTURE SINS! That includes EVERY SIN you HAVE COMITTED or EVER WILL COMMIT. One again, you do not KEEP YOURSELF SAVED. JESUS DOES. John 10:27-30, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them ETERNAL LIFE; and they shall NEVER PERISH, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one." How long is ETERNAL? Until you commit one sin? Or FOREVER? What does NEVER PERISH MEAN? ANYONE WHO TEACHES THAT YOU CAN LOOSE YOUR SALVATION IS TEACHING A WORKS BASED SALVATION WHERE YOU MUST EARN YOUR WAY TO HEAVEN, AND YOU WILL NEVER GET THERE BECAUSE YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS WILL NEVER EXCEED THAT OF JESUS CHRIST, he is the ONLY WAY to heaven! John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: NO MAN cometh unto the Father, but by me." That’s why Jesus empowered HIs Apostles to forgive sins. (unless of course, you have a better reason why Jesus breathed on them, told them to "receive the Holy Spirit" and said what He said.) The sacrifice of Jesus is finished, yes. But we do as Jesus commanded and re-present the sacrifice in commemoration.
That is more Catholic FALSE DOCTRINE. The Bible says the RE-SACRIFICE is NOT NECESSARY and as a matter of fact, you TRAMPLE the blood of Christ when you say that. Hebrews 10:11-12, "And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can NEVER take away sins: [ATTENDING MASS, ETC!) But this man, after he had offered ONE sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;" There is no reason to RESACRIFICE HIM OVER AND OVER! It is heretical to claim you must, and goes againt scripture! The Pope and his church teach... You are saved by faith plus works. Yes, and so does St. James in YOUR Bible.
Nope, the works he is talking about is the WORKS that you do IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AFTER you are SAVED! Are you saved? It isn't by baptism, church membership, communion, tithing, good works, etc. http://members.xoom.com/soulwinner/17ways.htm Here is how to get to heaven! Http://members.xoom.com/soulwinner/salvation.htm Obedience to the commandments is a condition for salvation. Yes. You thihnk that once you're saved you can become the old shmuck you were before.
Utter NONSENSE! Romans 3:20, "Therefore by the deeds of the law [keeping the 10 commandments] there shall NO FLESH [person] be justified in his [Gods] sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." The commandements were give so that people would see their need for a savior, the Lord Jesus Christ! Salvation is a process from baptism through purgatory. Yes
Nope! Baptism saves NO ONE! Remember what you said, FAITH + nothing? Purgatory purifies sin. Not exactly, but OK You are condemned if you claim to be saved.
NO WAY! Bible says you can CLAIM IT! John 3:15, "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." John 10:28, "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Titus 1:2, "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;" 1 John 2:25, "And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life." 1 John 5:11, "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son." The sacrifice of Jesus continues in daily Mass. Yes. This fulfills the prophecy of Malachias to the Jews:
NOPE! That was the OLD TESTEMENT. This was when they were still offering up ANIMAL sacrifices. We don’t have to do that anymore, as we have the PERFECT SACRIFICE for our sins, the Blood Of Jesus Christ. 1 John 1:7, "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." "For from the rising of the sun, even to the going down, great is my name among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrificing, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation; because my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of Hosts." I think you might wish to go ask your false teachers how to get out of this one.
I think you need to spend more time in the WORD OF GOD, and less time in the FALSE TEACHINGS/TRAIDTIONS of ROME which clearly go AGAINST the Bible… Shalom…. BAM
– Romans 10:9-11, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." Where will YOU spend ETERNITY? Http://members.xoom.com/soulwinner/salvation.htm http://www-personal.si.umich.edu/~rlm/eternity1.html Learn about the illegal activities of Steve R. Winter of PRIME.ORG at www.stevewinter.com Steve Winter is a Oneness Pentecostal? And why is it not BIBLICAL? http://www-personal.si.umich.edu/~rlm/upc.html Ephesians 5:11, "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." Do You Believe In Evolution? http://www.biblebelievers.com/powell2.html Are You A Mormon? http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changecontents.htm
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Does BAM even read? If he does, why does he still INSIST that the RC Church and the Bible agree, when they ABSOLUTELY DO NOT! RC CONTRADICTS THE TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE Dear "Independet Fundamental Baptist" (What ever that means):
It means absolutely nothing except to show disregard for Baptists. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is clear that you havent read my list of top ten fundie heresies. Your little ‘religion’, founded by people who were not of strong enough character to live by the teachings of Christ’s one and only church on earth, is a heresy, a blasphemy against Christ and His Teachings, and your soul is in peril. Please please find it in your soul to see the Truth in the Catholic Church. I will pray for you to see the light. In the mean time, I will post the following list of the top ten fundie posts. These topics come up so often, that everyone who reads this group has heard them before. If all you came to do was flame, you will get flames in return: See specifically #3. Please please consider your ultimate fate. You are in danger of damnation, because you have turned your back on Christ. You do not have the defence of ignorance of His Teachings through his Only Catholic and Apostolic Church on Earth.
Before you go on, you are saying things in direct opposition to what the Catholic leadership teaches. You are in the exact same class as the Indepentant Mental Baptist. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (This is my list of heretical fundie crap trolls that are so common to this group) On July 9, 1999 this list was ammended. See my change in number 3! Top Ten Catholic Bashing Hits: 10 "The Pope is the Anti Christ" 9 "You Worship Mary" 8 "You practice idolatry by worshiping Saints" 7 "You are going to Hell because you don’t worship the Bible" 6 "Mary had other children" 5 "Mary is the Whore of Babylon" (sometimes called "Rome is the Whore of Babylon") 4 "The Rosary is Hindu Heresy" 3 "You can only be saved by Faith alone, Works have no place, so your church is the church of Satan" 2 "You bow to a papist dictator" and my favorite number one fundie crap post 1 "You are Catholic so you dont know about Christ"
You are in the exact same class as the Independent Mental Baptist. Learn about your own Church before you decide to debate. I don’t know who knows less about the Catholic Church, you or the Independent Mental Baptist.
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Dear "Independet Fundamental Baptist" (What ever that means): It is clear that you havent read my list of top ten fundie heresies. Your little ‘religion’, founded by people who were not of strong enough character to live by the teachings of Christ’s one and only church on earth, is a heresy, a blasphemy against Christ and His Teachings, and your
Then who wants to reach in the trash to read trash? I suppose your ‘Big’ religion is just full of all kinds of heresy and blasphemies against Christ and His teachings. soul is in peril. Please please find it in your soul to see the Truth in the Catholic Church. I will pray for you to see the light. In the mean
You got that right, since the truth is that the Catholic Church your ‘big’ false religion has been known for its heresies and blasphemes from the beginning when it let into the Church, the images to bow down to, which is a blasphemy against God himself. The truth of the RCC is following it, the reward is burn you will, in Hell. Follow Jesus it would seem only gets you the ‘little religion’ of which the bible says, only a few will follow God on the narrow path, the greater number will take the wide path to destruction. Yeah you got it right, follow the Catholic Church with its one billion and the road is wide. Thank you for making that clear.
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The Catholic Church idolizes Mary. For sure. Otherwise why do they pray to her? Why do the Catholics make up a religion against the truth of the Bible? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ^ The Roman Catholics worship Mary, not true. – the g e n x
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