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Guys – this stuff is really off topic for alt.religion.scientology. In case you havent bothered to read any of the group, what goes on here is mainly a discussion of scientology, by members and critics. (that’s a rather polite way of putting it – the group can get quite hostile at times) Lot of critics post news articles about the less pleasant side of the church, discuss plans for informing the public about the dangers of the church, etc. The scientologists tend to post critisisms of psychiatry, stuff praising hubbard, etc. COuld ya do me a favor and drop alt.religion.scientology rom the headers? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "jw x-no-archive: yes john w replied under copyright 2004 <snip for reply only I’ve actually seen a like quiz. Point #1 – Baptism is not necessary for salvation. Point #2 – All three questions present a person or persons who have believed in Christ and repented. Therefore they are Born Again of Living Water and The Holy Spirit. Point #3 – Even without the Bible people have believed and repented, they too are Born of Living Water and the Holy Spirit. So the Bible isn’t even necessary, it’s good to have although God can accomplish His will without it. Recall Scripture in that no one comes to the Father unless the Father draws them. Further, no one comes to the Father except by Jesus Christ. We aren’t even necessary. That is part of the nature of God. Lest we forget that He is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Thanks JohnW. You are SO welcome! And I will hold further comment on your comments ( 
) until others have responded. Vaya con Dios! jw Go this day with the Lord our God, Deacon we are atoms, in Gods mind we choose our destinies by our choices we will either live free and grow…or die as slaves ITs…our choice is ritual bio-borg’ism worth the price one must pay in order to play…? why not abolish money and find out for free…!? why not break out of ritual’ized, canned and created reality called the monied dream of evil personified, hiding in plain sight as fraternal capitalist priests playing "overlords-of-humanity" with ruthless pavlovian-inspired brainwashed greed, for profit, gain, and growth…acting as parasites on the collective souls of humanity…? Sad, but True. Capitalism is the love of money…and the addiction personified, in denial. Instead, learn how to share for free, without money? Spread the wealth by helping fill pockets of lack…by doing what one chooses to do, or do without…for free, without money limiting choices. utopianow.cjb.net abolishmoney.com ubarter.com hope this helps pass it on d
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "jw x-no-archive: yes john w replied under copyright 2004 <snip for reply only I’ve actually seen a like quiz. Point #1 – Baptism is not necessary for salvation. Point #2 – All three questions present a person or persons who have believed in Christ and repented. Therefore they are Born Again of Living Water and The Holy Spirit. Point #3 – Even without the Bible people have believed and repented, they too are Born of Living Water and the Holy Spirit. So the Bible isn’t even necessary, it’s good to have although God can accomplish His will without it. Recall Scripture in that no one comes to the Father unless the Father draws them. Further, no one comes to the Father except by Jesus Christ. We aren’t even necessary. That is part of the nature of God. Lest we forget that He is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Thanks JohnW. You are SO welcome! And I will hold further comment on your comments ( ) until others have responded. Vaya con Dios! jw Go this day with the Lord our God, Deacon we are atoms, in Gods mind we choose our destinies by our choices we will either live free and grow…or die as slaves ITs…our choice is ritual bio-borg’ism worth the price one must pay in order to play…? why not abolish money and find out for free…!? why not break out of ritual’ized, canned and created reality called the monied dream of evil personified, hiding in plain sight as fraternal capitalist priests playing "overlords-of-humanity" with ruthless pavlovian-inspired brainwashed greed, for profit, gain, and growth…acting as parasites on the collective souls of humanity…? Sad, but True. Capitalism is the love of money…and the addiction personified, in denial. Instead, learn how to share for free, without money? Spread the wealth by helping fill pockets of lack…by doing what one chooses to do, or do without…for free, without money limiting choices. utopianow.cjb.net abolishmoney.com ubarter.com hope this helps pass it on d
Sounds like someone has been free-basing Tillich and Kierkegaard… the question had nothing to do with: 1) Coram Huminibus (righteousness with man) 2) Your opinion of the Roman Catholic Church 3) Money Salvation comes from our Lord. When was I justified? Well, there are 2 prime examples of justification (Or being JUDGED as INNOCENT before God): 1) Objective Justification: When Christ died on the cross. He didn’t do it for certain people, it was done for all. 2) Subjective Justification: The day I came to believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior. This, like the Lord’s death on the cross, was not MY saving work, but a work of the Holy Spirit. (See Ephesians 2:8-10) Now, along with Justification, you have SANCTIFICATION (or being "made holy"). This gets back to being a Work of the Holy Spirit. It is only through the Holy Spirit that one is able to come to know and believe in Jesus Christ. Now, as for the saving work of Baptism: Q1) Does it save? (why / why not) Q2) Why does it save? A1) The water itself is not what saves. It is with the Word of God with the water and faith which trusts in the Word of God in the water. A2)Because Christ said it does: Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit As for the Bible…. well, that’s never even been implied that it is required for salvation. You have to remember that the early Church fathers didn’t even HAVE a Bible (as we know it, today) back then. That kind of thinking came with the biblicists of the post-reformation era. It was an idea the the fundamentalists and neo-fundamentalists pushed (and continue to push). Like a lot of their doctrines, it was not really based on anything other than a lack of hermenutical and exegetical understandings. Hope this helped….. SHALOM!
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"jw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes john w replied under copyright 2004 <snip for reply only I’ve actually seen a like quiz. Point #1 – Baptism is not necessary for salvation. Point #2 – All three questions present a person or persons who have believed in Christ and repented. Therefore they are Born Again of Living Water and The Holy Spirit. Point #3 – Even without the Bible people have believed and repented, they too are Born of Living Water and the Holy Spirit. So the Bible isn’t even necessary, it’s good to have although God can accomplish His will without it. Recall Scripture in that no one comes to the Father unless the Father draws them. Further, no one comes to the Father except by Jesus Christ. We aren’t even necessary. That is part of the nature of God. Lest we forget that He is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Thanks JohnW. You are SO welcome! And I will hold further comment on your comments ( ) until others have responded. Vaya con Dios! jw Go this day with the Lord our God, Deacon
we are atoms, in Gods mind we choose our destinies by our choices we will either live free and grow…or die as slaves ITs…our choice is ritual bio-borg’ism worth the price one must pay in order to play…? why not abolish money and find out for free…!? why not break out of ritual’ized, canned and created reality called the monied dream of evil personified, hiding in plain sight as fraternal capitalist priests playing "overlords-of-humanity" with ruthless pavlovian-inspired brainwashed greed, for profit, gain, and growth…acting as parasites on the collective souls of humanity…? Sad, but True. Capitalism is the love of money…and the addiction personified, in denial. Instead, learn how to share for free, without money? Spread the wealth by helping fill pockets of lack…by doing what one chooses to do, or do without…for free, without money limiting choices. utopianow.cjb.net abolishmoney.com ubarter.com hope this helps pass it on d
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