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What CRAP!! More Lies!! More Deception!!! Satan at work!!! Wow, swearing and unsubstantiated statements. What a compelling argument you make, Mr. Bigot. Kirk

Shhh! I’m enjoying this.

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What CRAP!! More Lies!! More Deception!!! Satan at work!!!

Say it ain’t so!

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You think that salvation means not having to pay for sins? I think not. Christ died so we could be saved, not so we could just repent and get away with murder. Also, purgatory comes from the original, pre-luther bible.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob If only you had done a little research and gotten up to date on your history and understanding of Catholic teaching, you might be able to make a sensible argument. But, since you didn’t, your article here is riddled with historical errors and misrpresentations, so I guess it doesn’t really address Catholicism at all, only what YOU think Catholicism is. And since you obviously don’t understand Catholicism or know much history, I guess we can dismiss this drivel as irrelevant to our lives as Christians. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/index.html For the sick and for the aged, for our dear ones far away, for the hearts that mourn in secret, all who need our prayers today, for the faithful gone before us, may the Blessed Virgin pray. - VSS Coles, 1845-1929 The so-called prayer you included proves you are following a false religion. According to the Bible, which you obviously don’t believe is the inerrant Word of God, Jesus is the ONLY intercessor. NOT MARY!!! And Mary intercedes with Christ on our behalf… She has for me. Paula And where does the Bible say that? Bob Holy Scripture is one of the treasures of the Catholic Church. She has always been founded upon the Gospel. Holy Scripture was placed into the hands of the Catholic Church by God. For Tradition and Magisterium existed before Holy Scripture as the sacred writers had not yet written the Gospels, Acts, the Epistles, when the magisterium existed. Holy Scripture, came later, giving support to the Catholic Church, but it was the tradition that received the Holy Scripture, thus giving the teaching authority of the Catholic Church. This is why the Catholic Church has the full truth and all others only portions if any truth at all. What CRAP!! More Lies!! More Deception!!! Satan at work!!!

Wow, swearing and unsubstantiated statements. What a compelling argument you make, Mr. Bigot. Kirk

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob If only you had done a little research and gotten up to date on your history and understanding of Catholic teaching, you might be able to make a sensible argument. But, since you didn’t, your article here is riddled with historical errors and misrpresentations, so I guess it doesn’t really address Catholicism at all, only what YOU think Catholicism is. And since you obviously don’t understand Catholicism or know much history, I guess we can dismiss this drivel as irrelevant to our lives as Christians. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/index.html For the sick and for the aged, for our dear ones far away, for the hearts that mourn in secret, all who need our prayers today, for the faithful gone before us, may the Blessed Virgin pray. - VSS Coles, 1845-1929 The so-called prayer you included proves you are following a false religion. According to the Bible, which you obviously don’t believe is the inerrant Word of God, Jesus is the ONLY intercessor. NOT MARY!!! And Mary intercedes with Christ on our behalf… She has for me. Paula And where does the Bible say that? Bob Holy Scripture is one of the treasures of the Catholic Church. She has always been founded upon the Gospel. Holy Scripture was placed into the hands of the Catholic Church by God. For Tradition and Magisterium existed before Holy Scripture as the sacred writers had not yet written the Gospels, Acts, the Epistles, when the magisterium existed. Holy Scripture, came later, giving support to the Catholic Church, but it was the tradition that received the Holy Scripture, thus giving the teaching authority of the Catholic Church. This is why the Catholic Church has the full truth and all others only portions if any truth at all.

What CRAP!! More Lies!! More Deception!!! Satan at work!!!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob If only you had done a little research and gotten up to date on your history and understanding of Catholic teaching, you might be able to make a sensible argument. But, since you didn’t, your article here is riddled with historical errors and misrpresentations, so I guess it doesn’t really address Catholicism at all, only what YOU think Catholicism is. And since you obviously don’t understand Catholicism or know much history, I guess we can dismiss this drivel as irrelevant to our lives as Christians. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/index.html For the sick and for the aged, for our dear ones far away, for the hearts that mourn in secret, all who need our prayers today, for the faithful gone before us, may the Blessed Virgin pray. - VSS Coles, 1845-1929 The so-called prayer you included proves you are following a false religion. According to the Bible, which you obviously don’t believe is the inerrant Word of God, Jesus is the ONLY intercessor. NOT MARY!!! And Mary intercedes with Christ on our behalf… She has for me. Paula And where does the Bible say that? All Christians are commanded to be intercessors. Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus is our only intercessor. It DOES tell us that he is our only MEDIATOR, something completely different, as I am sure you know. But at least we have witnessed that a) you don’t have a clue what Catholicism teaches, and b) you don’t know your Bible well. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/index.html For the sick and for the aged, for our dear ones far away, for the hearts that mourn in secret, all who need our prayers today, for the faithful gone before us, may the Blessed Virgin pray. - VSS Coles, 1845-1929 I know enough to know that your sham religion teaches that Jesus is not enough for salvation!!!! Therefore denying that He paid the FULL price for us when He died on the Cross. Every catholic I’ve ever met doesn’t know if they’re saved because your dumb cult-church keeps them guessing. "Oh my, I missed Mass so I’m going to Hell". What a load of BS!!! Keep following your poopy pope and he’ll lead you right to Hell!!! WAKE UP!!!! Oh, you have also taken over Christ’s job of judgment!

It’s not judgement, it’s called discerning the truth!

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Don’t pray for me you brain dead follower of the Anti-Christ!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, it is a false religion to a Heathen. That is why we worship God and you are a child of Satan. Each time you attack Christ’s Church you are acting on Satan’s behalf and being one of his followers. I’ll pray for your soul as you are misguided. Carroll Roman Catholicism General Notes – "… Rome’s false religion is worse than no religion because Rome substitutes religion for truth. … Hinduism is so parallel to Romanism [as to the common idolatry] that many Hindus can become Catholics and not need to give up Hinduism. …" (3/1/91, Calvary Contender). During the past fifty years, at least three important trends in the Roman Catholic Church are clearly observable. These are: (1) a greater emphasis upon the place of Mary; (2) the acceptance of the so-called Charismatic renewal within the Church with new emphasis upon the claimed "ministry of the Holy Spirit"; and (3) a major emphasis upon ecumenical activities with a view to seeking the full visible unity of all religions. Concerning the latter item, the 3/97 C.E.C. Journal had an ad from the 3/96 New Covenant (Franciscan University, Steubenville, Ohio). It read (emphasis theirs): "The Holy Father has a sweeping vision for the new millennium: a Church HEALED of division, BOUND together by love, and celebrating a Eucharistic unity … See how Mary, the Mother of Mercy, is leading the Church into the third millennium." – The long-held claim that the Roman Catholic Church was the only unchangeable church is not supported by church history — not even Roman Catholic history. How sad to realize that this false claim influenced so many to join or to stay in this false church, which actually is the product of centuries of changes. Most of these changes resulted from the Roman Catholic Church’s yielding to heathen customs and practices that were subsequently incorporated into Roman Catholic teachings and worship. The following is a partial list of heathen, unscriptural practices that became a part of Roman Catholic dogma over a period of seventeen centuries. Some of the dates given are approximate. In many cases, these heresies were even debated for years before being given the status of required beliefs. Although some of these heresies are now being questioned by many individuals inside and outside the Roman Catholic Church, none have been officially repudiated and all continue to be practiced by millions of Catholics around the world (Source: "The Truth About Roman Catholicism," September-October 1996, Foundation magazine, pp. 5-16.): 1. Prayers for the dead — 300 AD 2. Making the sign of the cross — 300 AD 3. Veneration of angels & dead saints — 375 A.D 4. Use of images in worship — 375 A D. 5. The Mass as a daily celebration — 394 AD 6. Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, "Mother of God" applied at Council of Ephesus — 431 AD. 7. Extreme Unction (Last Rites) — 526 AD 8. Doctrine of Purgatory (Gregory I) — 593 AD 9. Prayers to Mary & dead saints — 600 AD 10. Worship of cross, images & relics — 786 AD 11. Canonization of dead saints — 995 AD 12. Celibacy of priesthood — 1079 AD 13. The Rosary — 1090 AD 14. Indulgences — 1190 AD 15. Transubstantiation (Innocent III) — 1215 AD 16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest — 1215 AD 17. Adoration of the wafer (Host) — 1220 AD 18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion — 1414 AD 19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma — 1439 AD 20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed — 1439 AD 21. Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent– 1545 AD 22. Apocryphal books added to Bible — 1546 AD 23. Immaculate Conception of Mary — 1854 AD 24. Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council — 1870 AD 25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) — 1950 AD 26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Roman Catholic Church — 1965 AD – Rome has a long history of persecuting Protestants, not hesitating to put to death all who oppose her. During the latter years of the Inquisitions, no fewer than 900,000 Protestants were put to death in the pope’s war to exterminate the Waldenses (1450-1570). In the Netherlands, over 100,000 were massacred. In St. Bartholomew’s Massacre (August 24, 1572, lasting for five or six days), approximately 50,000 Huguenots were killed; in the Huguenot Wars, 200,000 perished as martyrs, and another 500,000 fled for their lives. In Bohemia, a country with a population of four million by the year 1600, 3.2 million of which were Protestant, only the 800,000 Catholics were left alive by the time the Hapsburgs and Jesuits were through. The list of Catholic burnings and torture of Protestants is almost endless. (Reported in the 3/1/91, Calvary Contender.) Actually there were three Inquisitions. The first was to suppress people like the Catharists by both church and state between 1231 and 1400. Pope Innocent IV authorized the use of torture in 1251, and religious leaders were quite forward in their participation. The second was the Roman Inquisition established by Pope Paul III in 1542 to defeat Protestantism, and continued until 1572. The torture used was so notorious that even the Turks and Saracens were repulsed by what they observed to be "Christian" barbarity. The third was "The" Inquisition. Pope Sixtus IV issued a bull in 1578 authorizing Roman Catholic kings to establish what they called the "Tribunal of the Holy Office." By 1500, the Inquisition had extended to the New World, especially Peru and Mexico. Countless lives were snuffed out, often without cause. Catholic friars reportedly would baptize babies and children and throw them to starving dogs. All totalled, the Inquisitions claimed 68 million victims! Yet Rome, never noted for her toleration, has never acknowledged her sin of killing these Protestants — calling Protestants "separated brethren" is just an accommodation to gain acceptance. Rome would like to whitewash it out of history. Indeed, she has been quite successful at doing so. The blame for such atrocities has now been shifted from Roman Catholic religious leaders to the state. But it must be remembered that the state was controlled by the religious leaders! During the Tribulation, with Rome back in power as the religious authority in the world, we can expect additional Inquisition-like outbreaks of terror. (Sources: J.B. Wilder, The Other Side of Rome, Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, MI, p. 153; and 2/94, Mission to Catholics CHALLENGER, pp. 1-2.) – Some reports have stated that the Pope has apologized for the Catholic Church’s persecution of the saints. This is only a half truth. While the Pope has uttered some regrets of sorts, referring to certain "weaknesses" and "mistakes" and "harmful acts" of the past, he has not plainly admitted that the Roman Church has butchered millions of humble Christians, and he has not plainly apologized for Rome’s bloody history. He has not acknowledged that the Roman papacy has been one of the bloodiest and most inhumane institutions in human history. He has not acknowledged that the papacy, through its blasphemous claims and sacramental gospel, has led multitudes to eternal Hell. In a 5/96 encyclical, for example, Pope John Paul II refers to certain "painful recollections" which some Protestants have in regard to the history of the papacy. He then says, "To the extent that we are responsible for these, I join my predecessor Paul VI in asking forgiveness." Is that a genuine apology over Rome’s bloody history? No, it isn’t. He cleverly leaves it up to his hearers to decide to what extent Rome is responsible for any "painful recollections." That is a sorry excuse of an apology for one who sits in the seat of the men who were responsible for the murder and torment of MILLIONS of humble, Bible-believing children of God. What would the Bible require of the Pope if he were truly to repent of Rome’s error? Repentance means a change of mind which results in a change of action. In the Pope’s case, this would involve a great many things. A repentant Pope would cast aside his blasphemous position and titles in fear and trembling. Instead of "holy father" he would desire to be called "lowly sinner." A repentant Pope would reject heretical Roman Catholic dogmas such as the Mass, the Priesthood, the Sacraments, and the intercession of Mary and the Saints. He would reject the damnable sacramental gospel of Rome (Galatians 1:6-9) and joyfully confess that salvation is the free gift of God to everyone that believeth (Romans 1:16,17; 3:23-25; 10:9-13) and that eternal life is the present possession of every child of God (1 John 5:11-13). (Source: David Cloud, 5/16/96, FBIS.) – Mexico is another case in point concerning Catholicism’s lack of toleration of non-Catholic faiths — Mexico is over 90% Catholic and the Roman Catholic hierarchy is generally hostile toward evangelicals. A large Pentecostal denomination was notified in March of 1991 that all churches not registered with the government would be

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I know enough to know that your sham religion teaches that Jesus is not enough for salvation!!!! Therefore denying that He paid the FULL price for us when He died on the Cross. Every catholic I’ve ever met doesn’t know if they’re saved because your dumb cult-church keeps them guessing. "Oh my, I missed Mass so I’m going to Hell". What a load of BS!!! Keep following your poopy pope and he’ll lead you right to Hell!!! WAKE UP!!!! *grin* I can feel the love.

Why should love Satan’s church? Bob, the Church *does* teach that Jesus is who gives us salvation. The Church also takes James 2 to mean that we have to walk the walk and talk the talk or else there is no getting into heaven – baptised or not.

Yeah, then why does your church teach one must also keep the sacraments to be saved and even that’s not enough, they teach you still need to go through some stupid cleansing they call purgatory. More BS!! As far as missing mass and going to hell, I’m not touching that one. At all. I personally don’t miss mass b/c I get too much out of it. And the one time I did miss it a while back I felt so guilty I couldn’t handle it. So…. get a lot out of it and be happy… or miss it and feel guilty…. hmm. "Poopy Pope?" Straight into Hell huh? Those poor people from 33 AD to 1500… real shame. Even after 1500, those poor people who couldn’t afford a Bible… The Bible is AN authority. It is not the ONLY authority.

That’s what your poopy pope wants you to believe. You have been totally sucked in to that lie!! That makes you a "sucker"!! WAKE UP SUCKER!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The so-called prayer you included proves you are following a false religion. According to the Bible, which you obviously don’t believe is the inerrant Word of God, Jesus is the ONLY intercessor. NOT MARY!!! And Mary intercedes with Christ on our behalf… She has for me. Sorry dear for butting in, but she has done so for me as well. Time and time again.

She has for me too. Carroll

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You are both being deceived by the great Deceiver!! WAKE UP!!!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob If only you had done a little research and gotten up to date on your history and understanding of Catholic teaching, you might be able to make a sensible argument. But, since you didn’t, your article here is riddled with historical errors and misrpresentations, so I guess it doesn’t really address Catholicism at all, only what YOU think Catholicism is. And since you obviously don’t understand Catholicism or know much history, I guess we can dismiss this drivel as irrelevant to our lives as Christians. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/index.html For the sick and for the aged, for our dear ones far away, for the hearts that mourn in secret, all who need our prayers today, for the faithful gone before us, may the Blessed Virgin pray. - VSS Coles, 1845-1929 The so-called prayer you included proves you are following a false religion. According to the Bible, which you obviously don’t believe is the inerrant Word of God, Jesus is the ONLY intercessor. NOT MARY!!! And Mary intercedes with Christ on our behalf… She has for me. Paula And where does the Bible say that? All Christians are commanded to be intercessors. Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus is our only intercessor. It DOES tell us that he is our only MEDIATOR, something completely different, as I am sure you know. But at least we have witnessed that a) you don’t have a clue what Catholicism teaches, and b) you don’t know your Bible well. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/index.html For the sick and for the aged, for our dear ones far away, for the hearts that mourn in secret, all who need our prayers today, for the faithful gone before us, may the Blessed Virgin pray. - VSS Coles, 1845-1929 I know enough to know that your sham religion teaches that Jesus is not enough for salvation!!!! Therefore denying that He paid the FULL price for us when He died on the Cross. Every catholic I’ve ever met doesn’t know if they’re saved because your dumb cult-church keeps them guessing. "Oh my, I missed Mass so I’m going to Hell". What a load of BS!!! Keep following your poopy pope and he’ll lead you right to Hell!!! WAKE UP!!!!

Oh, you have also taken over Christ’s job of judgment!

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Holy Scripture is one of the treasures of the Catholic Church. She has always been founded upon the Gospel. Holy Scripture was placed into the hands of the Catholic Church by God. For Tradition and Magisterium existed before Holy Scripture as the sacred writers had not yet written the Gospels, Acts, the Epistles, when the magisterium existed. Holy Scripture, came later, giving support to the Catholic Church, but it was the tradition that received the Holy Scripture, thus giving the teaching authority of the Catholic Church. This is why the Catholic Church has the full truth and all others only portions if any truth at all. "O St. Joseph, whose protection is so great, so strong, so prompt before the throne of God, I place in thee all my interest and desires. O St. Joseph, assist me by thy powerful intercession and obtain for me all spiritual blessings through thy foster Son, Jesus Christ Our Lord, so that, having engaged here below thy heavenly power, I may offer thee my thanksgiving and homage. O St. Joseph, I never weary contemplating thee and Jesus asleep in thine arms. I dare not approach while He reposes near thy heart. Press Him in my name and kiss His fine head for me, and ask Him to return the kiss when I draw my dying breath. St. Joseph, Patron of departing souls, pray for me."

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Yes, it is a false religion to a Heathen. That is why we worship God and you are a child of Satan. Each time you attack Christ’s Church you are acting on Satan’s behalf and being one of his followers. I’ll pray for your soul as you are misguided. Carroll

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Roman Catholicism General Notes – "… Rome’s false religion is worse than no religion because Rome substitutes religion for truth. … Hinduism is so parallel to Romanism [as to the common idolatry] that many Hindus can become Catholics and not need to give up Hinduism. …" (3/1/91, Calvary Contender). During the past fifty years, at least three important trends in the Roman Catholic Church are clearly observable. These are: (1) a greater emphasis upon the place of Mary; (2) the acceptance of the so-called Charismatic renewal within the Church with new emphasis upon the claimed "ministry of the Holy Spirit"; and (3) a major emphasis upon ecumenical activities with a view to seeking the full visible unity of all religions. Concerning the latter item, the 3/97 C.E.C. Journal had an ad from the 3/96 New Covenant (Franciscan University, Steubenville, Ohio). It read (emphasis theirs): "The Holy Father has a sweeping vision for the new millennium: a Church HEALED of division, BOUND together by love, and celebrating a Eucharistic unity … See how Mary, the Mother of Mercy, is leading the Church into the third millennium." – The long-held claim that the Roman Catholic Church was the only unchangeable church is not supported by church history — not even Roman Catholic history. How sad to realize that this false claim influenced so many to join or to stay in this false church, which actually is the product of centuries of changes. Most of these changes resulted from the Roman Catholic Church’s yielding to heathen customs and practices that were subsequently incorporated into Roman Catholic teachings and worship. The following is a partial list of heathen, unscriptural practices that became a part of Roman Catholic dogma over a period of seventeen centuries. Some of the dates given are approximate. In many cases, these heresies were even debated for years before being given the status of required beliefs. Although some of these heresies are now being questioned by many individuals inside and outside the Roman Catholic Church, none have been officially repudiated and all continue to be practiced by millions of Catholics around the world (Source: "The Truth About Roman Catholicism," September-October 1996, Foundation magazine, pp. 5-16.): 1. Prayers for the dead — 300 AD 2. Making the sign of the cross — 300 AD 3. Veneration of angels & dead saints — 375 A.D 4. Use of images in worship — 375 A D. 5. The Mass as a daily celebration — 394 AD 6. Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, "Mother of God" applied at Council of Ephesus — 431 AD. 7. Extreme Unction (Last Rites) — 526 AD 8. Doctrine of Purgatory (Gregory I) — 593 AD 9. Prayers to Mary & dead saints — 600 AD 10. Worship of cross, images & relics — 786 AD 11. Canonization of dead saints — 995 AD 12. Celibacy of priesthood — 1079 AD 13. The Rosary — 1090 AD 14. Indulgences — 1190 AD 15. Transubstantiation (Innocent III) — 1215 AD 16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest — 1215 AD 17. Adoration of the wafer (Host) — 1220 AD 18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion — 1414 AD 19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma — 1439 AD 20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed — 1439 AD 21. Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent– 1545 AD 22. Apocryphal books added to Bible — 1546 AD 23. Immaculate Conception of Mary — 1854 AD 24. Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council — 1870 AD 25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) — 1950 AD 26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Roman Catholic Church — 1965 AD – Rome has a long history of persecuting Protestants, not hesitating to put to death all who oppose her. During the latter years of the Inquisitions, no fewer than 900,000 Protestants were put to death in the pope’s war to exterminate the Waldenses (1450-1570). In the Netherlands, over 100,000 were massacred. In St. Bartholomew’s Massacre (August 24, 1572, lasting for five or six days), approximately 50,000 Huguenots were killed; in the Huguenot Wars, 200,000 perished as martyrs, and another 500,000 fled for their lives. In Bohemia, a country with a population of four million by the year 1600, 3.2 million of which were Protestant, only the 800,000 Catholics were left alive by the time the Hapsburgs and Jesuits were through. The list of Catholic burnings and torture of Protestants is almost endless. (Reported in the 3/1/91, Calvary Contender.) Actually there were three Inquisitions. The first was to suppress people like the Catharists by both church and state between 1231 and 1400. Pope Innocent IV authorized the use of torture in 1251, and religious leaders were quite forward in their participation. The second was the Roman Inquisition established by Pope Paul III in 1542 to defeat Protestantism, and continued until 1572. The torture used was so notorious that even the Turks and Saracens were repulsed by what they observed to be "Christian" barbarity. The third was "The" Inquisition. Pope Sixtus IV issued a bull in 1578 authorizing Roman Catholic kings to establish what they called the "Tribunal of the Holy Office." By 1500, the Inquisition had extended to the New World, especially Peru and Mexico. Countless lives were snuffed out, often without cause. Catholic friars reportedly would baptize babies and children and throw them to starving dogs. All totalled, the Inquisitions claimed 68 million victims! Yet Rome, never noted for her toleration, has never acknowledged her sin of killing these Protestants — calling Protestants "separated brethren" is just an accommodation to gain acceptance. Rome would like to whitewash it out of history. Indeed, she has been quite successful at doing so. The blame for such atrocities has now been shifted from Roman Catholic religious leaders to the state. But it must be remembered that the state was controlled by the religious leaders! During the Tribulation, with Rome back in power as the religious authority in the world, we can expect additional Inquisition-like outbreaks of terror. (Sources: J.B. Wilder, The Other Side of Rome, Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, MI, p. 153; and 2/94, Mission to Catholics CHALLENGER, pp. 1-2.) – Some reports have stated that the Pope has apologized for the Catholic Church’s persecution of the saints. This is only a half truth. While the Pope has uttered some regrets of sorts, referring to certain "weaknesses" and "mistakes" and "harmful acts" of the past, he has not plainly admitted that the Roman Church has butchered millions of humble Christians, and he has not plainly apologized for Rome’s bloody history. He has not acknowledged that the Roman papacy has been one of the bloodiest and most inhumane institutions in human history. He has not acknowledged that the papacy, through its blasphemous claims and sacramental gospel, has led multitudes to eternal Hell. In a 5/96 encyclical, for example, Pope John Paul II refers to certain "painful recollections" which some Protestants have in regard to the history of the papacy. He then says, "To the extent that we are responsible for these, I join my predecessor Paul VI in asking forgiveness." Is that a genuine apology over Rome’s bloody history? No, it isn’t. He cleverly leaves it up to his hearers to decide to what extent Rome is responsible for any "painful recollections." That is a sorry excuse of an apology for one who sits in the seat of the men who were responsible for the murder and torment of MILLIONS of humble, Bible-believing children of God. What would the Bible require of the Pope if he were truly to repent of Rome’s error? Repentance means a change of mind which results in a change of action. In the Pope’s case, this would involve a great many things. A repentant Pope would cast aside his blasphemous position and titles in fear and trembling. Instead of "holy father" he would desire to be called "lowly sinner." A repentant Pope would reject heretical Roman Catholic dogmas such as the Mass, the Priesthood, the Sacraments, and the intercession of Mary and the Saints. He would reject the damnable sacramental gospel of Rome (Galatians 1:6-9) and joyfully confess that salvation is the free gift of God to everyone that believeth (Romans 1:16,17; 3:23-25; 10:9-13) and that eternal life is the present possession of every child of God (1 John 5:11-13). (Source: David Cloud, 5/16/96, FBIS.) – Mexico is another case in point concerning Catholicism’s lack of toleration of non-Catholic faiths — Mexico is over 90% Catholic and the Roman Catholic hierarchy is generally hostile toward evangelicals. A large Pentecostal denomination was notified in March of 1991 that all churches not registered with the government would be closed within three months; in one Pentecostal group, over 30 churches were closed due to threats of violence by radically-minded Catholics. Two evangelicals were also stoned to death by Catholics. As has occurred throughout history, "ecumenical" Roman Catholicism shows a different face when it is in the majority. (Reported in the 7/1/91, Calvary Contender.) – The Roman Catholic hierarchy is pressuring Nicaragua’s public schools to use textbooks which promote Catholicism and which blame racial tension and other societal problems on

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The so-called prayer you included proves you are following a false religion. According to the Bible, which you obviously don’t believe is the inerrant Word of God, Jesus is the ONLY intercessor. NOT MARY!!! And Mary intercedes with Christ on our behalf… She has for me.

Sorry dear for butting in, but she has done so for me as well. Time and time again. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Paula

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Correct – Jesus answers prayers. Mary prays to jesus for us. 8-P We can play semantics all night – prayer = worship, intercession = answering prayer, etc. Point is we *ask* Mary to pray for us. Sure, the words "Pray to Mary" are used but truth is Mary listens to our prayers, I love talking to her, and she actually has been quite a mother for me. Her prayers for me are very important. Mary’s intercession is her prayers for us to her son. And as you know, the prayers of a righteous man are powerful. Well, I took Christ at his word there. Between Mary & Augustine I’ve got plenty of prayers for me. =) And from two righteous people. -9v

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And where does the Bible say that? Bob

It comes about the same way the Trinity comes out of the bible. It’s not spelled out in black and white. Body of Christ = souls of believers, believers when they die are with Christ and not dead at all but still alive, so we ask them to pray for us.

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*grin* I can feel the love. Bob, the Church *does* teach that Jesus is who gives us salvation. The Church also takes James 2 to mean that we have to walk the walk and talk the talk or else there is no getting into heaven – baptised or not. As far as missing mass and going to hell, I’m not touching that one. At all. I personally don’t miss mass b/c I get too much out of it. And the one time I did miss it a while back I felt so guilty I couldn’t handle it. So…. get a lot out of it and be happy… or miss it and feel guilty…. hmm. "Poopy Pope?" Straight into Hell huh? Those poor people from 33 AD to 1500… real shame. Even after 1500, those poor people who couldn’t afford a Bible… The Bible is AN authority. It is not the ONLY authority.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob If only you had done a little research and gotten up to date on your history and understanding of Catholic teaching, you might be able to make a sensible argument. But, since you didn’t, your article here is riddled with historical errors and misrpresentations, so I guess it doesn’t really address Catholicism at all, only what YOU think Catholicism is. And since you obviously don’t understand Catholicism or know much history, I guess we can dismiss this drivel as irrelevant to our lives as Christians. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/index.html For the sick and for the aged, for our dear ones far away, for the hearts that mourn in secret, all who need our prayers today, for the faithful gone before us, may the Blessed Virgin pray. - VSS Coles, 1845-1929 The so-called prayer you included proves you are following a false religion. According to the Bible, which you obviously don’t believe is the inerrant Word of God, Jesus is the ONLY intercessor. NOT MARY!!! And Mary intercedes with Christ on our behalf… She has for me. Paula And where does the Bible say that? All Christians are commanded to be intercessors. Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus is our only intercessor. It DOES tell us that he is our only MEDIATOR, something completely different, as I am sure you know. But at least we have witnessed that a) you don’t have a clue what Catholicism teaches, and b) you don’t know your Bible well. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/index.html For the sick and for the aged, for our dear ones far away, for the hearts that mourn in secret, all who need our prayers today, for the faithful gone before us, may the Blessed Virgin pray. - VSS Coles, 1845-1929

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And where does the Bible say that? Bob

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That is found NOWHERE in the entire Bible. Which is why you couldn’t provide a text to back your claim up !!! The Bible says Jesus is our only MEDIATOR (1 Tim 2:5), but instructs us ALL to be intercessors. Eph 6:18, Rom 15:30, Col 4:3, 1 Thess 1:11. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/index.html For the sick and for the aged, for our dear ones far away, for the hearts that mourn in secret, all who need our prayers today, for the faithful gone before us, may the Blessed Virgin pray. - VSS Coles, 1845-1929

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All Christians are commanded to be intercessors. Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus is our only intercessor. It DOES tell us that he is our only MEDIATOR, something completely different, as I am sure you know. But at least we have witnessed that a) you don’t have a clue what Catholicism teaches, and b) you don’t know your Bible well. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/index.html For the sick and for the aged, for our dear ones far away, for the hearts that mourn in secret, all who need our prayers today, for the faithful gone before us, may the Blessed Virgin pray. - VSS Coles, 1845-1929

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And Mary intercedes with Christ on our behalf… She has for me. Paula

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Bob If only you had done a little research and gotten up to date on your history and understanding of Catholic teaching, you might be able to make a sensible argument. But, since you didn’t, your article here is riddled with historical errors and misrpresentations, so I guess it doesn’t really address Catholicism at all, only what YOU think Catholicism is. And since you obviously don’t understand Catholicism or know much history, I guess we can dismiss this drivel as irrelevant to our lives as Christians. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/index.html For the sick and for the aged, for our dear ones far away, for the hearts that mourn in secret, all who need our prayers today, for the faithful gone before us, may the Blessed Virgin pray. - VSS Coles, 1845-1929

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Roman Catholicism General Notes – "… Rome’s false religion is worse than no religion because Rome substitutes religion for truth. … Hinduism is so parallel to Romanism [as to the common idolatry] that many Hindus can become Catholics and not need to give up Hinduism. …" (3/1/91, Calvary Contender). During the past fifty years, at least three important trends in the Roman Catholic Church are clearly observable. These are: (1) a greater emphasis upon the place of Mary; (2) the acceptance of the so-called Charismatic renewal within the Church with new emphasis upon the claimed "ministry of the Holy Spirit"; and (3) a major emphasis upon ecumenical activities with a view to seeking the full visible unity of all religions. Concerning the latter item, the 3/97 C.E.C. Journal had an ad from the 3/96 New Covenant (Franciscan University, Steubenville, Ohio). It read (emphasis theirs): "The Holy Father has a sweeping vision for the new millennium: a Church HEALED of division, BOUND together by love, and celebrating a Eucharistic unity … See how Mary, the Mother of Mercy, is leading the Church into the third millennium." – The long-held claim that the Roman Catholic Church was the only unchangeable church is not supported by church history — not even Roman Catholic history. How sad to realize that this false claim influenced so many to join or to stay in this false church, which actually is the product of centuries of changes. Most of these changes resulted from the Roman Catholic Church’s yielding to heathen customs and practices that were subsequently incorporated into Roman Catholic teachings and worship. The following is a partial list of heathen, unscriptural practices that became a part of Roman Catholic dogma over a period of seventeen centuries. Some of the dates given are approximate. In many cases, these heresies were even debated for years before being given the status of required beliefs. Although some of these heresies are now being questioned by many individuals inside and outside the Roman Catholic Church, none have been officially repudiated and all continue to be practiced by millions of Catholics around the world (Source: "The Truth About Roman Catholicism," September-October 1996, Foundation magazine, pp. 5-16.): 1. Prayers for the dead — 300 AD 2. Making the sign of the cross — 300 AD 3. Veneration of angels & dead saints — 375 A.D 4. Use of images in worship — 375 A D. 5. The Mass as a daily celebration — 394 AD 6. Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, "Mother of God" applied at Council of Ephesus — 431 AD. 7. Extreme Unction (Last Rites) — 526 AD 8. Doctrine of Purgatory (Gregory I) — 593 AD 9. Prayers to Mary & dead saints — 600 AD 10. Worship of cross, images & relics — 786 AD 11. Canonization of dead saints — 995 AD 12. Celibacy of priesthood — 1079 AD 13. The Rosary — 1090 AD 14. Indulgences — 1190 AD 15. Transubstantiation (Innocent III) — 1215 AD 16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest — 1215 AD 17. Adoration of the wafer (Host) — 1220 AD 18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion — 1414 AD 19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma — 1439 AD 20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed — 1439 AD 21. Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent– 1545 AD 22. Apocryphal books added to Bible — 1546 AD 23. Immaculate Conception of Mary — 1854 AD 24. Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council — 1870 AD 25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) — 1950 AD 26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Roman Catholic Church — 1965 AD – Rome has a long history of persecuting Protestants, not hesitating to put to death all who oppose her. During the latter years of the Inquisitions, no fewer than 900,000 Protestants were put to death in the pope’s war to exterminate the Waldenses (1450-1570). In the Netherlands, over 100,000 were massacred. In St. Bartholomew’s Massacre (August 24, 1572, lasting for five or six days), approximately 50,000 Huguenots were killed; in the Huguenot Wars, 200,000 perished as martyrs, and another 500,000 fled for their lives. In Bohemia, a country with a population of four million by the year 1600, 3.2 million of which were Protestant, only the 800,000 Catholics were left alive by the time the Hapsburgs and Jesuits were through. The list of Catholic burnings and torture of Protestants is almost endless. (Reported in the 3/1/91, Calvary Contender.) Actually there were three Inquisitions. The first was to suppress people like the Catharists by both church and state between 1231 and 1400. Pope Innocent IV authorized the use of torture in 1251, and religious leaders were quite forward in their participation. The second was the Roman Inquisition established by Pope Paul III in 1542 to defeat Protestantism, and continued until 1572. The torture used was so notorious that even the Turks and Saracens were repulsed by what they observed to be "Christian" barbarity. The third was "The" Inquisition. Pope Sixtus IV issued a bull in 1578 authorizing Roman Catholic kings to establish what they called the "Tribunal of the Holy Office." By 1500, the Inquisition had extended to the New World, especially Peru and Mexico. Countless lives were snuffed out, often without cause. Catholic friars reportedly would baptize babies and children and throw them to starving dogs. All totalled, the Inquisitions claimed 68 million victims! Yet Rome, never noted for her toleration, has never acknowledged her sin of killing these Protestants — calling Protestants "separated brethren" is just an accommodation to gain acceptance. Rome would like to whitewash it out of history. Indeed, she has been quite successful at doing so. The blame for such atrocities has now been shifted from Roman Catholic religious leaders to the state. But it must be remembered that the state was controlled by the religious leaders! During the Tribulation, with Rome back in power as the religious authority in the world, we can expect additional Inquisition-like outbreaks of terror. (Sources: J.B. Wilder, The Other Side of Rome, Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, MI, p. 153; and 2/94, Mission to Catholics CHALLENGER, pp. 1-2.) – Some reports have stated that the Pope has apologized for the Catholic Church’s persecution of the saints. This is only a half truth. While the Pope has uttered some regrets of sorts, referring to certain "weaknesses" and "mistakes" and "harmful acts" of the past, he has not plainly admitted that the Roman Church has butchered millions of humble Christians, and he has not plainly apologized for Rome’s bloody history. He has not acknowledged that the Roman papacy has been one of the bloodiest and most inhumane institutions in human history. He has not acknowledged that the papacy, through its blasphemous claims and sacramental gospel, has led multitudes to eternal Hell. In a 5/96 encyclical, for example, Pope John Paul II refers to certain "painful recollections" which some Protestants have in regard to the history of the papacy. He then says, "To the extent that we are responsible for these, I join my predecessor Paul VI in asking forgiveness." Is that a genuine apology over Rome’s bloody history? No, it isn’t. He cleverly leaves it up to his hearers to decide to what extent Rome is responsible for any "painful recollections." That is a sorry excuse of an apology for one who sits in the seat of the men who were responsible for the murder and torment of MILLIONS of humble, Bible-believing children of God. What would the Bible require of the Pope if he were truly to repent of Rome’s error? Repentance means a change of mind which results in a change of action. In the Pope’s case, this would involve a great many things. A repentant Pope would cast aside his blasphemous position and titles in fear and trembling. Instead of "holy father" he would desire to be called "lowly sinner." A repentant Pope would reject heretical Roman Catholic dogmas such as the Mass, the Priesthood, the Sacraments, and the intercession of Mary and the Saints. He would reject the damnable sacramental gospel of Rome (Galatians 1:6-9) and joyfully confess that salvation is the free gift of God to everyone that believeth (Romans 1:16,17; 3:23-25; 10:9-13) and that eternal life is the present possession of every child of God (1 John 5:11-13). (Source: David Cloud, 5/16/96, FBIS.) – Mexico is another case in point concerning Catholicism’s lack of toleration of non-Catholic faiths — Mexico is over 90% Catholic and the Roman Catholic hierarchy is generally hostile toward evangelicals. A large Pentecostal denomination was notified in March of 1991 that all churches not registered with the government would be closed within three months; in one Pentecostal group, over 30 churches were closed due to threats of violence by radically-minded Catholics. Two evangelicals were also stoned to death by Catholics. As has occurred throughout history, "ecumenical" Roman Catholicism shows a different face when it is in the majority. (Reported in the 7/1/91, Calvary Contender.) – The Roman Catholic hierarchy is pressuring Nicaragua’s public schools to use textbooks which promote Catholicism and which blame racial tension and other societal problems on Protestants. The textbooks are produced by the Catholic archdiocese of Managua. A textbook for fourth grade of secondary school has a picture of Pope John Paul II on the cover and warns Protestants not to criticize Catholic devotion to the Virgin Mary: "To scorn Mary is an absurdity, something only the devil can incite," the textbook states. "Be careful, Protestant brothers. You’re playing with fire. If you want to increase your numbers by misleading unprepared Catholics, don’t mess with Mary, the Mother of Jesus and our mother. It’s something serious for which you’ll pay heavily." (Ecumenical News International, 4/28/97). – "To deny that

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