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in alt.atheism Here is more comprehensive article about Cpt. Berry’s case

Why this ass was ever let into a silo in the first place is beyond me. Being in the military means that you accept that you will do distasteful things, and if we have and officer who can’t control hios own glands, and resolved to disobey a legal order from the Commander-in-Chief if he felt like it!  Amazing. At least he made the cardinal sin (if you’ll excuse the phrase) of crying to congress.  His career is over.  He’s never going to be trusted again, and he’s never going to be considered for any command. — Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5 Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – in alt.atheism Here is more comprehensive article about Cpt. Berry’s case Why this ass was ever let into a silo in the first place is beyond me. Being in the military means that you accept that you will do distasteful things, and if we have and officer who can’t control hios own glands, and resolved to disobey a legal order from the Commander-in-Chief if he felt like it!  Amazing. At least he made the cardinal sin (if you’ll excuse the phrase) of crying to congress.  His career is over.  He’s never going to be trusted again, and he’s never going to be considered for any command. — Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5 Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

**  It is undoubtedly a vile and most odius sin against humanity to reposit the book of Ezekiel where it might be found and read by children. —

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writes:           Spoken like someone who expects far more material reward just for being Roman Catholic than he is getting….

He does have one point: the hierarchy should be hold Catholic politicians’ feet to the fire on abortion. Russ "I fear that to me Siamese cats belong to the fauna of Mordor"

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writes:           Spoken like someone who expects far more material reward just for being Roman Catholic than he is getting…. He does have one point: the hierarchy should be hold Catholic politicians’ feet to the fire on abortion.

        Hey, they can’t be bothered to hold Catholic’s hands when they go through the fire…. Paul

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God letter, bro.  But, in all seriousness, you have to remember that leadership is hard often.  You have to make everyone happy….  Sometimes these guys are a real dufus, too. Is dufus Latin?  Dufum, dufia, …? Don in AZ, USA. fundraising at no cost, for your Church, School or organisation…  Click at once!! http://www.ld.net/?credo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (background) "Cardinal Edward M. Egan, the archbishop of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York, was welcomed with heavy applause and spoke for 10 minutes in Spanish before turning to English. "’We cannot go on simply ignoring and tolerating the plight of our brothers and sisters,’ Cardinal Egan said. ‘Families are being damaged by cruel separation and in all too many instances shameful advantage is being taken of men and women in the work force who do not have proper papers.’ " [Immigrants Rally in City, Seeking Rights by Steven Greenhouse. New York Times, October 5, 2003] An Open Letter to Edward Cardinal Egan, Archbishop of New York Your Eminence: I am a faithful Roman Catholic, loyal to the Magisterium and the doctrines of our Church. I am also an American whose family on both sides has been here since Colonial times. With great sadness, I must express my disagreement with, and indeed disgust at, your singularly ill-chosen remarks at the mendaciously-misnamed "Immigrant Workers Freedom Ride" rally this past Saturday at Flushing Meadows Park. The rally you shamefully dignified with your presence was, in truth, an enormous gathering of people in criminal violation of the immigration laws of the United States-and of those who, for political or business reasons, support the continued importation of these illegal aliens. By addressing this mob in Spanish (a language I speak fluently and greatly admire; nevertheless the American vernacular is English) you contribute to the multicultural balkanizing that is fracturing our country. By endorsing the claim that illegal aliens are what they are not-immigrants-you both insult legitimate immigrants and undermine the democratically enacted laws of your own country. You encourage illegal aliens to break American law; next will you be exhorting New York’s Catholics to stop paying their taxes? The organizers of this celebration of criminality try to draw an analogy with the Freedom Rides of the 1960s. This comparison is not merely strained, it is utterly false. The Freedom Riders of the 1960s were Americans seeking the equal protection of American law. Today’s bogus "Freedom Riders" are not. They are criminal interlopers, rudely demanding that laws they are breaking-our laws-be ignored for their convenience. Were the situation reversed, were a group of Americans in Mexico loudly demanding that Mexico’s (very strict) immigration laws be set aside so they could squat there, your voice would no doubt be loud among those denouncing their Yanqui imperialism. The illegal alien marchers should have been met at Flushing Meadows not by a prince of the Church, but by the Border Patrol. All that American law should guarantee illegal aliens is humane treatment as they are removed expeditiously from our country. You are a prince of the Church, a preacher of our Lord’s Gospel and a minister of His Sacraments. As such, I appreciate your concern for the "plight of our brothers and sisters." But your solicitude in this case is largely misplaced. The brothers and sisters to whom you referred are criminals. The "cruel separations" to which you alluded occur only because illegal aliens choose to leave their homes and families to break into the United States. To hint, as you did, that these separations are somehow caused by heartless Americans is not merely disingenuous, it is-again-insulting. Those cruel separations can end as soon as illegal aliens return to their own countries. As New York’s Archbishop, your primary duty is to your flock, the Roman Catholics of your Archdiocese. Has it not occurred to you that many of the illegal aliens whose presence here you so thoughtlessly celebrate are putting many of New York’s Catholics out of work? That their presence here, their demands on our schools and hospitals, expenses to which most illegal aliens do not contribute through taxes, erode the living standards of your Catholic flock, both native-born and legally-immigrated? As with most of the country, Roman Catholicism is in a crisis in New York. Mass attendance has plunged. The practice of regular Confession has practically vanished. You may suppose that by importing millions of nominal Catholics you will retain the Church’s power base, and perhaps even "re-evangelize" American Catholics. That is a mirage. I humbly suggest that you study the history of the Church in Mexico since that country’s independence, to give only the most important example, to determine how unlikely it is that mass immigration from there might revitalize American Catholicism. Of course, I am not asking that the Church turn its back on illegal aliens. But I do ask only that you, and the Church, not violate the Church’s own history and teachings by openly advocating the breaking of legitimately-enacted civil and criminal laws. Devoutly though you might wish it, everyone in the world cannot move to the United States. Firmly though you might deny it, Americans have the right to live in their own country with as many, or as few, immigrants as they choose. Your Eminence, please concentrate your efforts on ministering to your American flock. Instead of betraying them for the politically-correct pottage of illegal alien amnesties, stand firm on the Church’s teaching about law and the legitimacy of the national community. Personally, I long for the day when you, or any bishop of this state, will hold an elected official who calls himself Catholic accountable for flouting the Church’s authoritative teaching in the matter of abortion. You might start with our own Governor Pataki. When you do that, and when you cease to abet the violation of law that coddling illegal aliens is, you will regain my respect. As matters stand, I must say with great regret that you have lost it. Yours in sorrow, Howard Ramsey Sutherland

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (background) "Cardinal Edward M. Egan, the archbishop of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York, was welcomed with heavy applause and spoke for 10 minutes in Spanish before turning to English. "’We cannot go on simply ignoring and tolerating the plight of our brothers and sisters,’ Cardinal Egan said. ‘Families are being damaged by cruel separation and in all too many instances shameful advantage is being taken of men and women in the work force who do not have proper papers.’ " [Immigrants Rally in City, Seeking Rights by Steven Greenhouse. New York Times, October 5, 2003] An Open Letter to Edward Cardinal Egan, Archbishop of New York Your Eminence: I am a faithful Roman Catholic, loyal to the Magisterium and the doctrines of our Church. I am also an American whose family on both sides has been here since Colonial times. With great sadness, I must express my disagreement with, and indeed disgust at, your singularly ill-chosen remarks at the mendaciously-misnamed "Immigrant Workers Freedom Ride" rally this past Saturday at Flushing Meadows Park. The rally you shamefully dignified with your presence was, in truth, an enormous gathering of people in criminal violation of the immigration laws of the United States-and of those who, for political or business reasons, support the continued importation of these illegal aliens. By addressing this mob in Spanish (a language I speak fluently and greatly admire; nevertheless the American vernacular is English) you contribute to the multicultural balkanizing that is fracturing our country. By endorsing the claim that illegal aliens are what they are not-immigrants-you both insult legitimate immigrants and undermine the democratically enacted laws of your own country. You encourage illegal aliens to break American law; next will you be exhorting New York’s Catholics to stop paying their taxes? The organizers of this celebration of criminality try to draw an analogy with the Freedom Rides of the 1960s. This comparison is not merely strained, it is utterly false. The Freedom Riders of the 1960s were Americans seeking the equal protection of American law. Today’s bogus "Freedom Riders" are not. They are criminal interlopers, rudely demanding that laws they are breaking-our laws-be ignored for their convenience. Were the situation reversed, were a group of Americans in Mexico loudly demanding that Mexico’s (very strict) immigration laws be set aside so they could squat there, your voice would no doubt be loud among those denouncing their Yanqui imperialism. The illegal alien marchers should have been met at Flushing Meadows not by a prince of the Church, but by the Border Patrol. All that American law should guarantee illegal aliens is humane treatment as they are removed expeditiously from our country. You are a prince of the Church, a preacher of our Lord’s Gospel and a minister of His Sacraments. As such, I appreciate your concern for the "plight of our brothers and sisters." But your solicitude in this case is largely misplaced. The brothers and sisters to whom you referred are criminals. The "cruel separations" to which you alluded occur only because illegal aliens choose to leave their homes and families to break into the United States. To hint, as you did, that these separations are somehow caused by heartless Americans is not merely disingenuous, it is-again-insulting. Those cruel separations can end as soon as illegal aliens return to their own countries. As New York’s Archbishop, your primary duty is to your flock, the Roman Catholics of your Archdiocese. Has it not occurred to you that many of the illegal aliens whose presence here you so thoughtlessly celebrate are putting many of New York’s Catholics out of work? That their presence here, their demands on our schools and hospitals, expenses to which most illegal aliens do not contribute through taxes, erode the living standards of your Catholic flock, both native-born and legally-immigrated? As with most of the country, Roman Catholicism is in a crisis in New York. Mass attendance has plunged. The practice of regular Confession has practically vanished. You may suppose that by importing millions of nominal Catholics you will retain the Church’s power base, and perhaps even "re-evangelize" American Catholics. That is a mirage. I humbly suggest that you study the history of the Church in Mexico since that country’s independence, to give only the most important example, to determine how unlikely it is that mass immigration from there might revitalize American Catholicism. Of course, I am not asking that the Church turn its back on illegal aliens. But I do ask only that you, and the Church, not violate the Church’s own history and teachings by openly advocating the breaking of legitimately-enacted civil and criminal laws. Devoutly though you might wish it, everyone in the world cannot move to the United States. Firmly though you might deny it, Americans have the right to live in their own country with as many, or as few, immigrants as they choose. Your Eminence, please concentrate your efforts on ministering to your American flock. Instead of betraying them for the politically-correct pottage of illegal alien amnesties, stand firm on the Church’s teaching about law and the legitimacy of the national community. Personally, I long for the day when you, or any bishop of this state, will hold an elected official who calls himself Catholic accountable for flouting the Church’s authoritative teaching in the matter of abortion. You might start with our own Governor Pataki. When you do that, and when you cease to abet the violation of law that coddling illegal aliens is, you will regain my respect. As matters stand, I must say with great regret that you have lost it. Yours in sorrow, Howard Ramsey Sutherland

            Spoken like someone who expects far more material reward just for being Roman Catholic than he is getting…. Paul

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" Has it not occurred to you that many of the illegal aliens whose presence here you so thoughtlessly celebrate are putting many of New York’s Catholics out of work? "     I think this sums up the difference very well.  The Cardinal, who I have only meet once, but had a lot of respect for, is interested in God and humanity before the local, issus and I don’t believe he will allow the material needs of his own flock to override the spiritial and material needs of others.     I am sorry to say I see the feeling expressed in the letter very often in the US.  I also see it in other countries, but to a lesser degree.  We live in a very large world.  In my opinion we all are first citizens of the word God gave is, and only second a citizen of any one earthly division called a country.     Sorry if you don’t agree, but if you search your heart and the commands given to us by God ("Love one another" not "Love those in your own county" ) you will see the error of this attitude. — Joseph E. Meehan 26 + 6 = 1  It’s Irish Math

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(background) "Cardinal Edward M. Egan, the archbishop of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York, was welcomed with heavy applause and spoke for 10 minutes in Spanish before turning to English. "’We cannot go on simply ignoring and tolerating the plight of our brothers and sisters,’ Cardinal Egan said. ‘Families are being damaged by cruel separation and in all too many instances shameful advantage is being taken of men and women in the work force who do not have proper papers.’ " [Immigrants Rally in City, Seeking Rights by Steven Greenhouse. New York Times, October 5, 2003] An Open Letter to Edward Cardinal Egan, Archbishop of New York Your Eminence: I am a faithful Roman Catholic, loyal to the Magisterium and the doctrines of our Church. I am also an American whose family on both sides has been here since Colonial times. With great sadness, I must express my disagreement with, and indeed disgust at, your singularly ill-chosen remarks at the mendaciously-misnamed "Immigrant Workers Freedom Ride" rally this past Saturday at Flushing Meadows Park. The rally you shamefully dignified with your presence was, in truth, an enormous gathering of people in criminal violation of the immigration laws of the United States-and of those who, for political or business reasons, support the continued importation of these illegal aliens. By addressing this mob in Spanish (a language I speak fluently and greatly admire; nevertheless the American vernacular is English) you contribute to the multicultural balkanizing that is fracturing our country. By endorsing the claim that illegal aliens are what they are not-immigrants-you both insult legitimate immigrants and undermine the democratically enacted laws of your own country. You encourage illegal aliens to break American law; next will you be exhorting New York’s Catholics to stop paying their taxes? The organizers of this celebration of criminality try to draw an analogy with the Freedom Rides of the 1960s. This comparison is not merely strained, it is utterly false. The Freedom Riders of the 1960s were Americans seeking the equal protection of American law. Today’s bogus "Freedom Riders" are not. They are criminal interlopers, rudely demanding that laws they are breaking-our laws-be ignored for their convenience. Were the situation reversed, were a group of Americans in Mexico loudly demanding that Mexico’s (very strict) immigration laws be set aside so they could squat there, your voice would no doubt be loud among those denouncing their Yanqui imperialism. The illegal alien marchers should have been met at Flushing Meadows not by a prince of the Church, but by the Border Patrol. All that American law should guarantee illegal aliens is humane treatment as they are removed expeditiously from our country. You are a prince of the Church, a preacher of our Lord’s Gospel and a minister of His Sacraments. As such, I appreciate your concern for the "plight of our brothers and sisters." But your solicitude in this case is largely misplaced. The brothers and sisters to whom you referred are criminals. The "cruel separations" to which you alluded occur only because illegal aliens choose to leave their homes and families to break into the United States. To hint, as you did, that these separations are somehow caused by heartless Americans is not merely disingenuous, it is-again-insulting. Those cruel separations can end as soon as illegal aliens return to their own countries. As New York’s Archbishop, your primary duty is to your flock, the Roman Catholics of your Archdiocese. Has it not occurred to you that many of the illegal aliens whose presence here you so thoughtlessly celebrate are putting many of New York’s Catholics out of work? That their presence here, their demands on our schools and hospitals, expenses to which most illegal aliens do not contribute through taxes, erode the living standards of your Catholic flock, both native-born and legally-immigrated? As with most of the country, Roman Catholicism is in a crisis in New York. Mass attendance has plunged. The practice of regular Confession has practically vanished. You may suppose that by importing millions of nominal Catholics you will retain the Church’s power base, and perhaps even "re-evangelize" American Catholics. That is a mirage. I humbly suggest that you study the history of the Church in Mexico since that country’s independence, to give only the most important example, to determine how unlikely it is that mass immigration from there might revitalize American Catholicism. Of course, I am not asking that the Church turn its back on illegal aliens. But I do ask only that you, and the Church, not violate the Church’s own history and teachings by openly advocating the breaking of legitimately-enacted civil and criminal laws. Devoutly though you might wish it, everyone in the world cannot move to the United States. Firmly though you might deny it, Americans have the right to live in their own country with as many, or as few, immigrants as they choose. Your Eminence, please concentrate your efforts on ministering to your American flock. Instead of betraying them for the politically-correct pottage of illegal alien amnesties, stand firm on the Church’s teaching about law and the legitimacy of the national community. Personally, I long for the day when you, or any bishop of this state, will hold an elected official who calls himself Catholic accountable for flouting the Church’s authoritative teaching in the matter of abortion. You might start with our own Governor Pataki. When you do that, and when you cease to abet the violation of law that coddling illegal aliens is, you will regain my respect. As matters stand, I must say with great regret that you have lost it. Yours in sorrow, Howard Ramsey Sutherland

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Many and many a year ago in a kingdom by a beach, a bully kicked sand in the face of young Charles Atlas. After much weight lifting, Charles later became Mr. Universe. Sand was never again kicked in his face.         Today, intellectual and physical weaklings flex their pseudo-biceps behind the cowardly cloak of cyberspace anonymity. The anonymity, however, doesn’t change the fact that they are weaklings and cowards. They are easily detected in the labyrinths of the newsgroups, where they talk tough behind pseudonyms. A talk those cowards would never do face to face. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.indystar.com/data/wire/out/1024ap_m9n3jco009.html Nine more suits filed against archdiocese By Bruce Schreiner Associated Press Last updated 03:18 AM, EST, Thursday, October 24, 2002 LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — A deceased priest accused of taking a boy to pornographic movies and molesting him was named for the first time in a new round of lawsuits Wednesday against the Archdiocese of Louisville. In one suit, the Rev. Henry G. Vessels is accused of taking the boy to pornographic drive-in movies several times in 1969 and 1970 and molesting him once when the boy spent the night with the priest. The plaintiff is Roger D. Kelty, who was 12 at the time of the alleged misconduct. At the time, Vessels was pastor at St. Francis Xavier Church in Mount Washington. Vessels died in 1980 while serving as pastor at a Louisville parish, archdiocese spokeswoman Cecelia Price said. The lawsuit was one of nine filed Wednesday in Jefferson County Circuit Court. It marked the first time Vessels was accused of sexual misconduct. All nine suits seek unspecified compensatory and punitive damages. With the newest filings, 195 people have sued the Roman Catholic archdiocese claiming they were sexually abused as youngsters by members of the clergy or church officials. The plaintiffs claim that archdiocese officials were aware of the alleged abuse but failed to take appropriate disciplinary action or notify law enforcement authorities. Those accused of abuse are named in the suits but are not defendants. Price said the archdiocese does not comment on pending litigation. William McMurry, an attorney representing most of the 195 plaintiffs, said Wednesday that hundreds of other alleged victims are waiting to see how the pending suits progress. He predicted that another 100 or so lawsuits might be filed against the archdiocese within the next year. "I think as the public becomes knowledgeable of the coverup that the Louisville archdiocese committed, the outrage will bring them forward," he said in an interview. "The public only knows the tip of the iceberg." A Jefferson County Circuit Court judge recently ordered that the parties agree on a mediator to try to settle at least some cases, McMurry said. No mediator has yet been assigned, he said. McMurry said he was hopeful settlements could be reached in many cases. Predicting a total monetary amount is difficult because so many individual cases need to be resolved, he said. "The final tally of money paid in the cases … it will be significant," he said. "Certainly the damage done is catastrophic." Other suits filed Wednesday included allegations of sexual abuse against altar boys, a second-grader and two female relatives. Four of the suits named the Rev. Louis E. Miller, the now-retired priest at the center of the controversy involving the archdiocese. Two plaintiffs accused Miller of sexually assaulting them while they were altar boys. Daniel J. Schadt claimed Miller molested him while he was a seventh- and eighth-grader in the 1970s. Henry Asman claimed he was abused by Miller in the early 1960s. A suit by Patricia Miller Story, a niece of Miller’s, accused him of sexually molesting her in 1968. Miller has been accused of sexual misconduct by another niece and a nephew in suits against the archdiocese. Janice Mudd Grinestaff filed a suit accusing Miller of sexually abusing her at family gatherings in the early 1970s. Grinestaff was about 10 years old at the time. She and Miller are cousins, McMurry said. Miller has been named in more than 70 suits and has been indicted on dozens of criminal counts of sexual misconduct. Miller has pleaded innocent to the charges and was released on bond. Two other plaintiffs in the latest filings claim they were sexually molested by Brother Francis Dominic in the 1970s. Timothy E. Chesser says he was sexually abused by Dominic while a second-grader at Our Lady of Consolation in Jefferson County. Kevin J. Rowley claims he was molested three times while Dominic was assigned to supervise children at a retreat house in Minnesota. Rowley was attending a retreat when the alleged abuse occurred, McMurry said. The Province of Our Lady of Consolation Inc., based in St. Francis, Ind., is named as a co-defendant in both suits. The whereabouts of Dominic, who has been named in previous suits, is unknown. Records show he was last employed by the Franciscan province of St. Bonaventure in Chicago in 1989. Another new plaintiff, Kenneth J. Boehnlein, claimed he was sexually abused by the Rev. Arthur L. Wood for three years in the 1960s while he was 11 to 14 years old. Wood has been named in prior suits. He died in 1983. In the other suit filed Wednesday, Joseph P. Thomas claimed he was sexually molested in the 1960s by Louis Holzknecht, who was a football coach at Most Blessed Sacrament school. Holzknecht has also been named in prior suits. Price, the archdiocese spokeswoman, has said Holzknecht was a volunteer at the school and was never employed by the archdiocese.

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Hey QueerHa, Are you sure you are not that same boy who was raped over and over again? Shan

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He may come back to being a Hindu after he gets his foot in the door. These people are politicians — aaj ghar kay kuttay, kal dhobee kay| Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it likely that bobby jindal – the next governor of Ludhiana – converted to catholicism from hindusim in this kind of catholic church? lousiana needs some scandals like california. Dr. Jai Maharaj posted: Please cross post such wonderful news items to christian news groups. And in newsgroups about writing for films and TV. Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Group Accuses Churches of Being Frauds By Kristen Wyatt Associated Press Friday, September 19, 2003 The Charlotte Obsrver Friday, September 19, 2003 Atlanta – The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Atlanta has filed a lawsuit accusing a network of Spanish-speaking churches of falsely claiming to be Catholic – with priests who conduct Mass, hear confessions and offer Communion to immigrants who mistakenly think the churches are tied to the Vatican. "These men dress as priests and conduct services that appear to be a Catholic Mass," said archdiocese attorney David Brown. "You cannot simply set up in whatever church and call yourself Roman Catholic. That’s fraud." The lawsuit, filed Monday, seeks an injunction against Capilla de la Fe, or Chapel of the Faith, churches, barring them from calling themselves Catholic. It is also asking for unspecified damages for donations worshippers gave in the belief the money would go to the Catholic Church. It is thought to be the first lawsuit of its kind ever filed by the U.S. Catholic Church, Brown said. The Capilla de la Fe churches would not allow reporters inside. A secretary at one location said only that the church was nondenominational. The archdiocese argues that the congregants, often new to America, are duped into believing they are in a Roman Catholic church. The Capilla de la Fe priests "raise considerable funds" selling religious items and holy objects, Brown said. The archdiocese was so alarmed that it sent its own Hispanic priests to services to see what Capilla de la Fe priests were telling people. In July, Archbishop John Donoghue sent a letter to churches warning them about phony Spanish-speaking priests. "For months now this group, `Capilla de la Fe,’ has been creating confusion in the Hispanic community by pretending to be in communion with the Church," Donoghue wrote. "Unfortunately many of our good Hispanic people are confused by their pretense and they are leading many away from the Catholic Church." The archdiocese said it first asked the chapels to stop using the phrase "Mision Catolica," or Catholic Mission, in their names. Capilla de la Fe agreed, but the archdiocese argued in court papers that the churches still employ deceptive practices. In downtown Atlanta, Capilla de la Fe holds services at a "Stop Suffering Center," where pamphlets in Spanish tout the cure-all effects of holy water available with a donation. Some Capilla de la Fe services are unlike anything offered at Roman Catholic parishes, including one focusing on "strong prayer to destroy witchcraft, demon- possession, nightmares, curses, envy, bad luck or spiritual problems." Source – http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/nation/6813328.htm Posted on Friday, September 19, 2003 by bedolido – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - End of forwarded message Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 24 Bhadrapad 5104, Friday, September 19, 2003: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Dakshinaya Jivana Ritau      Kanya Mase Krishna Pakshe Shukr Vasara Yuktayam Ardra Nakshatr Vyatipat-Variyan Yog      Taitil-Gar Karan Navami Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate      o  Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.      o  If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read, considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.      o  Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others are not necessarily those of the poster.

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Is it likely that bobby jindal – the next governor of Ludhiana – converted to catholicism from hindusim in this kind of catholic church? lousiana needs some scandals like california. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please cross post such wonderful news items to christian news groups. And in newsgroups about writing for films and TV. Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Group Accuses Churches of Being Frauds By Kristen Wyatt Associated Press Friday, September 19, 2003 The Charlotte Obsrver Friday, September 19, 2003 Atlanta – The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Atlanta has filed a lawsuit accusing a network of Spanish-speaking churches of falsely claiming to be Catholic – with priests who conduct Mass, hear confessions and offer Communion to immigrants who mistakenly think the churches are tied to the Vatican. "These men dress as priests and conduct services that appear to be a Catholic Mass," said archdiocese attorney David Brown. "You cannot simply set up in whatever church and call yourself Roman Catholic. That’s fraud." The lawsuit, filed Monday, seeks an injunction against Capilla de la Fe, or Chapel of the Faith, churches, barring them from calling themselves Catholic. It is also asking for unspecified damages for donations worshippers gave in the belief the money would go to the Catholic Church. It is thought to be the first lawsuit of its kind ever filed by the U.S. Catholic Church, Brown said. The Capilla de la Fe churches would not allow reporters inside. A secretary at one location said only that the church was nondenominational. The archdiocese argues that the congregants, often new to America, are duped into believing they are in a Roman Catholic church. The Capilla de la Fe priests "raise considerable funds" selling religious items and holy objects, Brown said. The archdiocese was so alarmed that it sent its own Hispanic priests to services to see what Capilla de la Fe priests were telling people. In July, Archbishop John Donoghue sent a letter to churches warning them about phony Spanish-speaking priests. "For months now this group, `Capilla de la Fe,’ has been creating confusion in the Hispanic community by pretending to be in communion with the Church," Donoghue wrote. "Unfortunately many of our good Hispanic people are confused by their pretense and they are leading many away from the Catholic Church." The archdiocese said it first asked the chapels to stop using the phrase "Mision Catolica," or Catholic Mission, in their names. Capilla de la Fe agreed, but the archdiocese argued in court papers that the churches still employ deceptive practices. In downtown Atlanta, Capilla de la Fe holds services at a "Stop Suffering Center," where pamphlets in Spanish tout the cure-all effects of holy water available with a donation. Some Capilla de la Fe services are unlike anything offered at Roman Catholic parishes, including one focusing on "strong prayer to destroy witchcraft, demon- possession, nightmares, curses, envy, bad luck or spiritual problems." Source –

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Please cross post such wonderful news items to christian news groups.

And in newsgroups about writing for films and TV. Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group Accuses Churches of Being Frauds By Kristen Wyatt Associated Press Friday, September 19, 2003 The Charlotte Obsrver Friday, September 19, 2003 Atlanta – The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Atlanta has filed a lawsuit accusing a network of Spanish-speaking churches of falsely claiming to be Catholic – with priests who conduct Mass, hear confessions and offer Communion to immigrants who mistakenly think the churches are tied to the Vatican. "These men dress as priests and conduct services that appear to be a Catholic Mass," said archdiocese attorney David Brown. "You cannot simply set up in whatever church and call yourself Roman Catholic. That’s fraud." The lawsuit, filed Monday, seeks an injunction against Capilla de la Fe, or Chapel of the Faith, churches, barring them from calling themselves Catholic. It is also asking for unspecified damages for donations worshippers gave in the belief the money would go to the Catholic Church. It is thought to be the first lawsuit of its kind ever filed by the U.S. Catholic Church, Brown said. The Capilla de la Fe churches would not allow reporters inside. A secretary at one location said only that the church was nondenominational. The archdiocese argues that the congregants, often new to America, are duped into believing they are in a Roman Catholic church. The Capilla de la Fe priests "raise considerable funds" selling religious items and holy objects, Brown said. The archdiocese was so alarmed that it sent its own Hispanic priests to services to see what Capilla de la Fe priests were telling people. In July, Archbishop John Donoghue sent a letter to churches warning them about phony Spanish-speaking priests. "For months now this group, `Capilla de la Fe,’ has been creating confusion in the Hispanic community by pretending to be in communion with the Church," Donoghue wrote. "Unfortunately many of our good Hispanic people are confused by their pretense and they are leading many away from the Catholic Church." The archdiocese said it first asked the chapels to stop using the phrase "Mision Catolica," or Catholic Mission, in their names. Capilla de la Fe agreed, but the archdiocese argued in court papers that the churches still employ deceptive practices. In downtown Atlanta, Capilla de la Fe holds services at a "Stop Suffering Center," where pamphlets in Spanish tout the cure-all effects of holy water available with a donation. Some Capilla de la Fe services are unlike anything offered at Roman Catholic parishes, including one focusing on "strong prayer to destroy witchcraft, demon- possession, nightmares, curses, envy, bad luck or spiritual problems." Source – http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/nation/6813328.htm Posted on Friday, September 19, 2003 by bedolido – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - End of forwarded message Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 24 Bhadrapad 5104, Friday, September 19, 2003: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Dakshinaya Jivana Ritau      Kanya Mase Krishna Pakshe Shukr Vasara Yuktayam Ardra Nakshatr Vyatipat-Variyan Yog      Taitil-Gar Karan Navami Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate      o  Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.      o  If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read, considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.      o  Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others are not necessarily those of the poster.

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Please cross post such wonderful news items to christian news groups. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group Accuses Churches of Being Frauds By Kristen Wyatt Associated Press Friday, September 19, 2003 The Charlotte Obsrver Friday, September 19, 2003 Atlanta – The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Atlanta has filed a lawsuit accusing a network of Spanish-speaking churches of falsely claiming to be Catholic – with priests who conduct Mass, hear confessions and offer Communion to immigrants who mistakenly think the churches are tied to the Vatican. "These men dress as priests and conduct services that appear to be a Catholic Mass," said archdiocese attorney David Brown. "You cannot simply set up in whatever church and call yourself Roman Catholic. That’s fraud." The lawsuit, filed Monday, seeks an injunction against Capilla de la Fe, or Chapel of the Faith, churches, barring them from calling themselves Catholic. It is also asking for unspecified damages for donations worshippers gave in the belief the money would go to the Catholic Church. It is thought to be the first lawsuit of its kind ever filed by the U.S. Catholic Church, Brown said. The Capilla de la Fe churches would not allow reporters inside. A secretary at one location said only that the church was nondenominational. The archdiocese argues that the congregants, often new to America, are duped into believing they are in a Roman Catholic church. The Capilla de la Fe priests "raise considerable funds" selling religious items and holy objects, Brown said. The archdiocese was so alarmed that it sent its own Hispanic priests to services to see what Capilla de la Fe priests were telling people. In July, Archbishop John Donoghue sent a letter to churches warning them about phony Spanish-speaking priests. "For months now this group, `Capilla de la Fe,’ has been creating confusion in the Hispanic community by pretending to be in communion with the Church," Donoghue wrote. "Unfortunately many of our good Hispanic people are confused by their pretense and they are leading many away from the Catholic Church." The archdiocese said it first asked the chapels to stop using the phrase "Mision Catolica," or Catholic Mission, in their names. Capilla de la Fe agreed, but the archdiocese argued in court papers that the churches still employ deceptive practices. In downtown Atlanta, Capilla de la Fe holds services at a "Stop Suffering Center," where pamphlets in Spanish tout the cure-all effects of holy water available with a donation. Some Capilla de la Fe services are unlike anything offered at Roman Catholic parishes, including one focusing on "strong prayer to destroy witchcraft, demon- possession, nightmares, curses, envy, bad luck or spiritual problems." Source – http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/nation/6813328.htm Posted on Friday, September 19, 2003 by bedolido – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - End of forwarded message Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 24 Bhadrapad 5104, Friday, September 19, 2003: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Dakshinaya Jivana Ritau      Kanya Mase Krishna Pakshe Shukr Vasara Yuktayam Ardra Nakshatr Vyatipat-Variyan Yog      Taitil-Gar Karan Navami Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate      o  Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.      o  If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read, considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.      o  Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others are not necessarily those of the poster.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + Gosh, little kathy remembers 51 years ago when someone abused her. She wants vegeance now.  Why didn’t she want it 10 years ago?  Or 20 years ago?  or 30 years?  40 years? + If she is so mad, why not find that priest and beat him up? + Perhaps that priest passed away a long time ago. + So what next? + Oh yeah, 30 pieces of silver will sure help….. Patrick, I thought you claimed that it was wrong for priests to abuse? Why are you now again trying to defend them and blaming the victim? Is this because you yopurself get off on stalking children?

        No…just that Patrick HAS no life, other than keeping the Catholic Church on a pedestal. Paul

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Report cites ‘massive’ sexual abuse by priests The decision not to bring criminal charges against those responsible enraged abuse victim Kathleen Dwyer, 58, who said she was sexually abused by a priest at her local church in the early 1950s, when she was 7 years old.

+ Gosh, little kathy remembers 51 years ago when someone abused her. She wants vegeance now.  Why didn’t she want it 10 years ago?  Or 20 years ago?  or 30 years?  40 years?   + If she is so mad, why not find that priest and beat him up? + Perhaps that priest passed away a long time ago. + So what next? + Oh yeah, 30 pieces of silver will sure help…..

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Report cites ‘massive’ sexual abuse by priests BOSTON – A 16-month grand jury investigation has revealed that the Roman Catholic archdiocese in Boston ignored complaints from almost 1,000 people claiming to have been abused by priests and other church workers. "The mistreatment of children was so massive and so prolonged that it borders on the unbelievable," Massachusetts Attorney General Tom Reilly said Wednesday. The 91-page report released Wednesday says the abuse goes back to 1940. The archdiocese received complaints from 789 alleged victims from 1940 to 2003, but Reilly said the actual number is higher when other sources are considered. Reilly said Massachusetts law "does not provide a basis for bringing criminal charges" against diocese managers. Reilly blamed Cardinal Bernard Law for the cover-up. Reilly said Law "bears the ultimate responsibility for the tragic treatment of children that occurred during his tenure. "But by no means does he bear sole responsibility. With rare exception, none of his senior managers advised him to take any of the steps that might have ended the systemic abuse of children." The report concludes: "They chose to protect the image and reputation of their institution rather than the safety and well-being of the children entrusted to their care. They acted with a misguided devotion to secrecy." Law resigned in December. The decision not to bring criminal charges against those responsible enraged abuse victim Kathleen Dwyer, 58, who said she was sexually abused by a priest at her local church in the early 1950s, when she was 7 years old. http://tinyurl.com/htnh

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+ Gosh, little kathy remembers 51 years ago when someone abused her. She wants vegeance now.  Why didn’t she want it 10 years ago?  Or 20 years ago?  or 30 years?  40 years?   + If she is so mad, why not find that priest and beat him up? + Perhaps that priest passed away a long time ago. + So what next? + Oh yeah, 30 pieces of silver will sure help…..

Patrick, I thought you claimed that it was wrong for priests to abuse? Why are you now again trying to defend them and blaming the victim? Is this because you yopurself get off on stalking children? + $50.00 Reward. + Payable in Money Order, Check, or bank draft. + To anyone with karen’s present address in UK. + $100.00 Reward + To anyone with karen’s Child’s address, her work history, or other data that can be used to hunt her down like a dog. + We’ll work out the details.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then why don’t you guys go on over to Rome? Because we’re Catholics, not Romanists. I won’t speak for FTT, but for me the Council of Trent and Vatican I are major problems (just for starters). Doctrinally speaking, I would have much less difficulty going over to Constantinople than to Rome. God bless the Fellowship of St. Alban and St. Sergius! Charles Hohenstein Could you elaborate a little more on the "major problems" with the Council of Trent and Vatican I? Well, just for starters, there is the assertion of the universal ordinary jurisdiction of the pope, which has never been acknowledged by the Eastern Church. Few Anglicans could accept it either–for us the pope is simply the Bishop of Rome and the Patriarch of the West. In the time of the undivided Church he may have had an appelate role in resolving disputes between different sections of the Church–as in the controversy over the date of Easter–but he never had a hand in the ordinary running of the Church on a diocesan or patriarchal level. Ok, I understand that objection.  But the role of the Pope as Head of the Church isn’t that far-fetched.  Surely you’ve read the scriptural justification when the Lord presents the keys to heaven to Saint Peter. (the whole Petras, Petros discussions) I honestly never found that part to be tough to swallow, my concern came with the passing of those "powers" to others.  I do feel justified in references to the passing of office (such as the replacement of Judas) and on the authority they took Saint Peter’s word when it came to faith and morals (such as the circumcision of the Gentiles).

This is a touchy point with some Anglicans, Tom.  The way some view the history is that the Church of England never committed any act of schism; that the schismatic act was committed by Pope Pius when he excommunicated Elizabeth and encouraged her subjects to unseat her from the throne in 1570. This is one of the reasons that some in the Church of England have insisted that they never broke with the Catholic Church.  The scriptures, creeds, sacraments and the historic episcopate were all retained.  The supremacy of the bishop of Rome was challenged, but that in and of itself can hardly be seen as an act of schism in light of the history of the first few centuries of the Church, when Rome’s supremacy was often challenged. Trent commits Rome to viewing transsubstantiation as the only acceptable language for describing the Real Presence of Christ in the eucharist. This reduces a holy mystery to Aristotelian categories, and, as the Eastern Church rightly points out, to a kind of rationalism about the sacraments. I’m not sure how transsubstantiation reduces the Eucharist. I found a problem with the Bread of Life discourse that I could clearly see pointing to transsubstantiation.  I think one of the most meaningful passages I ever contemplated was when Christ let those who found this teaching difficult just walk away.  Wouldn’t he have told them that it was only co-substantiation or just a remembrance and not the real presence?  I do think this is a difficult teaching, but I haven’t found anything substantial to disprove the teaching.

I think most Anglicans would reject the idea of the Eucharist as simply a remembrance.  Memorialism seems to exclude the idea of anemnesis; all times being contained within the present moment.  Regarding transubstantiation, I think many Anglicans only have a rudimentary understanding of the term, and regard it as a Roman Catholic belief in the transformation of the molecular structure of the gifts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then we have the Immaculate Conception, the Assumption of Mary, and Papal Infallibility, all of which must be accepted as dogmatic truth by faithful Roman Catholics. All three of these are major obstacles to unity for Anglicans. And it looks as if the Roman Church is edging closer to to proclaiming Mary as Co-Redemptrix in our salvation–that would be another great stumbling block to those considering a swim across the Tiber, although Marian devotions in themselves are not a problem. Many Anglicans are devoted to Our Lady of Walsingham–but they would never dream of giving official recognition or requiring compulsory acceptance of Marian apparitions. We leave this to the faithful. But there are excellent scriptural justifications to the dogmas of the Church.  I agree that these are major stumbling blocks.  I also, much like you I assume, try to find the truth on matters such as these, with an emphasis on the intellect over the emotion.  However, I’m assuming there are other reasons why these teachings are troublesome to Anglicans. Finally, it would be very difficult for most of us to deal with the lunatic fringe of the Roman Church–such as the devotees of Our Lady of Fatima. This, of course, is not to say that we don’t have a lunatic fringe of our own! I think you neutralized your own objection.  Thank God we aren’t judged by the lunatics on the fringe.  However, I don’t feel the lunatics are the ones issuing infallible teachings, it is not as if the Pope were pulling dogmas out of a hat.  Anyway, Charles, God Bless and thanks for taking the time to respond. -Tom

Isn’t lunacy a perspective that is dependent on the relationship between the person and a specific celestial body? I suspect that we all have moments of lunacy.  At least I know I do. Terry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I represent the "far far right," what do you consider the Orthodox Church and the Romans? By orthodox Christian standards, I’m certainly not an extremist. And I certainly don’t care about how I compare to heretics. You are one of the most extreme posters I have ever encountered in 3 years on the net. You must not hang out with a lot of conservatives, then. I suppose that should be evident. I have little doubt that you are not an Episcopalian, and wonder if you are a Christian. I’m definitely both. Sorry to disappoint you. I’m sure that you are an Episcopalian too, although you sound more like a Unitarian.

I am certain you are an Episocpalian and a Christian, Charles. Let that not be doubted. You are my brother in Christ and while we may disagree, we are of one family and one Church and I greet you in peace in that body of Christ. Now that we have the secret club handshake outta the way… :) I suspect that you get some cheap thrill by attempting to force squabbles among the Christians. Liberals try to impose acceptance of sodomy on the rest of us, and _we_ are the ones forcing the squabbles?

I personally don’t care one way or the other if you accept, reject, loave, loathe, are indifferent to or care passionately about sodomy or anything else! Makes me not one particle of difference! So what? What I do *NOT* want is for your opinion of sodomy to be codified into laws *preventing* *me* in my own home, from following MY beliefs and practises! Is this so difficult? The last Lambeth Conference and the recent primates’ meeting in Brazil were perfectly clear about what needed to happen in order to avoid squabbles. It was the liberals who gave the collective finger to the Anglican communion by proceeding with blessings of same-sex unions in New Westminster and the election of gay bishops.

OK, *how*?!.  Over and over and over I hear conservatives say that blessing of same sex unions (let alone calling them "marriage" Heaven forfend!) somehow detracts from "real" marriage (where tab A fits into Slot B and not into slot C or D or E or… We won’t discuss Tab B. or…). HOW? H*O*W*?  Does this occur?: YOu and your dear wife are sleeping. It is 3:00 AM. Suddenly your beloved leaps from slumber with a scream. "Oh, my God! Charles! CHARLES!!" You struggle to clear the fog of sleep from your sodden brain. You look up and she is vigorously emptying her dresser drawers into a suitcase. "I have to go. NOW! goodbye, Charles, Darling. it was nice." "wha…?" you croak, stumbling into the bathroom for a drink of water, "Honey, what is it? What’s wrong?"  You step into yor bathrobe as she is feverishly tugging a dress on and fumbling for her shoes. "That couple down the street, those two women? They are living in a homosexual liaison! I can’t stay married to you, Charles! Goodbye!" and she slams out of the door in tears. As you run for the car keys you hear the motor revving in the garage. You look out the window and see cars backing out of driveways all down the block. Sleepy husbands driving away from crying wives, wives walking toward the bus stop with pleading husbands following… Is that how it happens? If not…. HOW?! Orthodox?  LOL!  Your hate spewing might make you an orthodox snake in the grass maybe, but certainly not a representative of Jesus Christ. The same tired, old liberal tactic. Conservatives are motivated by hate, and liberals are motivated by boundless love of God and their fellow man. Unless, of course, they’re a bunch of dirty orthodox Anglicans in Africa and Asia.

What about thre conservative canard that liberals have no moral compass? Sorry, but the blowback goes in both directions equally. And what do you think will be the truth discovered by unrepentant sinners? Charles Hohenstein Is self righteousness a sin?  Tend to your own backyard. What self-righteousness? I have never claimed to be other than a sinner. I acknowledge and repent of my sins. The revisionists, on the other hand, take their doctrine of sin from the newspapers, not from the scriptures.

Your pride is in the way you wear your repentance on your sleeve and deny that others may also be repentant. Charles Hohenstein Where to begin…your cute little tag about France? The French are our political enemies. If you don’t believe it, ask the French.

Why? Because they disagree with us? ALL French? Every man, woman and child?  My grandmother’s maiden name was Jacques and on our pedigree are names such as Marchebanks, Mahpoil, Jaques as well as the more "illustrious" von Heisinger, Weinring, Hogendobler and the more pedestrian Ellis, Murphree and Mackey. I’d say I’m probably an eighth French… Does than make me one eighth an enemy of America? There is no "THE" French. there is a France, and in it are French people, but "THE" French is an absurd notion. Now you could say "many French people" but that doen’t carry the same blade of dislike, does it? Do you *enjoy* disliking people? That is the impression I get of donservatives. It may not be the truth, but it is what I observe. They seem, to me, to foster dislike, chew on it, try to encode it into law, try to get others to dislike the same things… Must I dislike the French? Must I tear pictures from my family album? What? Your use of the term sodomy?… That is the time-honored expression. It is the term used, for instance, in the King James Version. It is the language of "alternative lifestyle" which is self-righteous and which is used as a convenient excuse for moral failings.

I prefer to think of it as "following too close"… :)  And why. pray tell, is removing stigma from a word "self righteous"? I’d think it was the other way around… your insistence that anyone who disagrees with you is a revisionist? No, I have also disagreed with Romanists, but I do admit that Rome is much less of a threat to our Church right now than the peril from within.

How does that happen? Are you sitting in mass, listening, responding in the proper places, when suddenly, in the middle of the Elevation of the Host, the priest halts, dead? "The gifts of God for the pe…. no. We must stop here." The congregation, horrified, rises in shock. voices from all quarters rise "Father! What’s happening?! What is it? Go on! Hey!" The priest faces the group and says slowly "Service is cancelled. We are disbanding. Liberals are holding services now which change the Liturgy completely. Go home and wait for further orders." Is that how it happens?  If not… how? Live in your own little fantasy world; but don’t claim that it is Christian. I most certainly claim to be a Christian and am happy to enjoy the communion of the saints. Unfortunately, those who have departed from the Christian faith cannot say the same. Charles Hohenstein Boycott French products!

Does that include the fellow in America who had his store torched and was beaten up? He was Chinese but his business, acquired with the name, was "French Laundry"? http://www.FranceStinks.com/

If France stinks… why does it stink? Is it some chemical in the soil? What does the stink smell like? Is it a sour stink or a cloying one? Heavy or rotting? Fecal or chemical? Is it a blend of stinks or is it one particular aroma? http://www.pavefrance.com/blog/

France is already paved adequatly. Why would you want to destroy the countryside? Enquiring minds want to know. Swan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then why don’t you guys go on over to Rome? Because we’re Catholics, not Romanists. I won’t speak for FTT, but for me the Council of Trent and Vatican I are major problems (just for starters). Doctrinally speaking, I would have much less difficulty going over to Constantinople than to Rome. God bless the Fellowship of St. Alban and St. Sergius! Charles Hohenstein Could you elaborate a little more on the "major problems" with the Council of Trent and Vatican I? Well, just for starters, there is the assertion of the universal ordinary jurisdiction of the pope, which has never been acknowledged by the Eastern Church. Few Anglicans could accept it either–for us the pope is simply the Bishop of Rome and the Patriarch of the West. In the time of the undivided Church he may have had an appelate role in resolving disputes between different sections of the Church–as in the controversy over the date of Easter–but he never had a hand in the ordinary running of the Church on a diocesan or patriarchal level.

Ok, I understand that objection.  But the role of the Pope as Head of the Church isn’t that far-fetched.  Surely you’ve read the scriptural justification when the Lord presents the keys to heaven to Saint Peter. (the whole Petras, Petros discussions) I honestly never found that part to be tough to swallow, my concern came with the passing of those "powers" to others.  I do feel justified in references to the passing of office (such as the replacement of Judas) and on the authority they took Saint Peter’s word when it came to faith and morals (such as the circumcision of the Gentiles). Trent commits Rome to viewing transsubstantiation as the only acceptable language for describing the Real Presence of Christ in the eucharist. This reduces a holy mystery to Aristotelian categories, and, as the Eastern Church rightly points out, to a kind of rationalism about the sacraments.

I’m not sure how transsubstantiation reduces the Eucharist. I found a problem with the Bread of Life discourse that I could clearly see pointing to transsubstantiation.  I think one of the most meaningful passages I ever contemplated was when Christ let those who found this teaching difficult just walk away.  Wouldn’t he have told them that it was only co-substantiation or just a remembrance and not the real presence?  I do think this is a difficult teaching, but I haven’t found anything substantial to disprove the teaching. Then we have the Immaculate Conception, the Assumption of Mary, and Papal Infallibility, all of which must be accepted as dogmatic truth by faithful Roman Catholics. All three of these are major obstacles to unity for Anglicans. And it looks as if the Roman Church is edging closer to to proclaiming Mary as Co-Redemptrix in our salvation–that would be another great stumbling block to those considering a swim across the Tiber, although Marian devotions in themselves are not a problem. Many Anglicans are devoted to Our Lady of Walsingham–but they would never dream of giving official recognition or requiring compulsory acceptance of Marian apparitions. We leave this to the faithful.

But there are excellent scriptural justifications to the dogmas of the Church.  I agree that these are major stumbling blocks.  I also, much like you I assume, try to find the truth on matters such as these, with an emphasis on the intellect over the emotion.  However, I’m assuming there are other reasons why these teachings are troublesome to Anglicans. Finally, it would be very difficult for most of us to deal with the lunatic fringe of the Roman Church–such as the devotees of Our Lady of Fatima. This, of course, is not to say that we don’t have a lunatic fringe of our own!

I think you neutralized your own objection.  Thank God we aren’t judged by the lunatics on the fringe.  However, I don’t feel the lunatics are the ones issuing infallible teachings, it is not as if the Pope were pulling dogmas out of a hat.  Anyway, Charles, God Bless and thanks for taking the time to respond. -Tom

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, there are Anglo-Catholics, and then there are Anglo-Catholics. Some accept the ordination of women, some do not. Some believe that homosexual relations are a sin, and some do not. I happen to think that the real Anglo-Catholics are Catholic both in liturgy and doctrine. But there are a lot of Episcopalians who are, more or less, Unitarians who like incense. Charles Hohenstein Right on…otherwise known as "dressed up Protestants" or "haberdashery Christians". FTT Then why don’t you guys go on over to Rome?

Because we’re Catholics, not Romanists. I won’t speak for FTT, but for me the Council of Trent and Vatican I are major problems (just for starters). Doctrinally speaking, I would have much less difficulty going over to Constantinople than to Rome. God bless the Fellowship of St. Alban and St. Sergius! Charles Hohenstein Boycott French products! http://www.FranceStinks.com/ http://www.pavefrance.com/blog/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, there are Anglo-Catholics, and then there are Anglo-Catholics. Some accept the ordination of women, some do not. Some believe that homosexual relations are a sin, and some do not. I happen to think that the real Anglo-Catholics are Catholic both in liturgy and doctrine. But there are a lot of Episcopalians who are, more or less, Unitarians who like incense. Charles Hohenstein Right on…otherwise known as "dressed up Protestants" or "haberdashery Christians". FTT Then why don’t you guys go on over to Rome? Because we’re Catholics, not Romanists. I won’t speak for FTT, but for me the Council of Trent and Vatican I are major problems (just for starters). Doctrinally speaking, I would have much less difficulty going over to Constantinople than to Rome. God bless the Fellowship of St. Alban and St. Sergius! Charles Hohenstein

Could you elaborate a little more on the "major problems" with the Council of Trent and Vatican I? -Tom Gamble

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Then why don’t you guys go on over to Rome? Because we’re Catholics, not Romanists. I won’t speak for FTT, but for me the Council of Trent and Vatican I are major problems (just for starters). Doctrinally speaking, I would have much less difficulty going over to Constantinople than to Rome. God bless the Fellowship of St. Alban and St. Sergius! Charles Hohenstein Could you elaborate a little more on the "major problems" with the Council of Trent and Vatican I?

Well, just for starters, there is the assertion of the universal ordinary jurisdiction of the pope, which has never been acknowledged by the Eastern Church. Few Anglicans could accept it either–for us the pope is simply the Bishop of Rome and the Patriarch of the West. In the time of the undivided Church he may have had an appelate role in resolving disputes between different sections of the Church–as in the controversy over the date of Easter–but he never had a hand in the ordinary running of the Church on a diocesan or patriarchal level. Trent commits Rome to viewing transsubstantiation as the only acceptable language for describing the Real Presence of Christ in the eucharist. This reduces a holy mystery to Aristotelian categories, and, as the Eastern Church rightly points out, to a kind of rationalism about the sacraments. Then we have the Immaculate Conception, the Assumption of Mary, and Papal Infallibility, all of which must be accepted as dogmatic truth by faithful Roman Catholics. All three of these are major obstacles to unity for Anglicans. And it looks as if the Roman Church is edging closer to to proclaiming Mary as Co-Redemptrix in our salvation–that would be another great stumbling block to those considering a swim across the Tiber, although Marian devotions in themselves are not a problem. Many Anglicans are devoted to Our Lady of Walsingham–but they would never dream of giving official recognition or requiring compulsory acceptance of Marian apparitions. We leave this to the faithful. Finally, it would be very difficult for most of us to deal with the lunatic fringe of the Roman Church–such as the devotees of Our Lady of Fatima. This, of course, is not to say that we don’t have a lunatic fringe of our own! Charles Hohenstein Boycott French products! http://www.FranceStinks.com/ http://www.pavefrance.com/blog/

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…  I have little doubt that you are not an Episcopalian, and wonder if you are a Christian. … I think he mentioned a week or so ago that he’s Anglo-Catholic.  Seems to me that explains a great deal. So much for your knowledge of Anglicanism Elbert Anglo Catholicism has been for years the "place" for Anglican / Episcopal gays. Get real…!!! FTT

Well, there are Anglo-Catholics, and then there are Anglo-Catholics. Some accept the ordination of women, some do not. Some believe that homosexual relations are a sin, and some do not. I happen to think that the real Anglo-Catholics are Catholic both in liturgy and doctrine. But there are a lot of Episcopalians who are, more or less, Unitarians who like incense. Charles Hohenstein Boycott French products! http://www.FranceStinks.com/ http://www.pavefrance.com/blog/

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Well, there are Anglo-Catholics, and then there are Anglo-Catholics. Some accept the ordination of women, some do not. Some believe that homosexual relations are a sin, and some do not. I happen to think that the real Anglo-Catholics are Catholic both in liturgy and doctrine. But there are a lot of Episcopalians who are, more or less, Unitarians who like incense. Charles Hohenstein

Right on…otherwise known as "dressed up Protestants" or "haberdashery Christians". FTT

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, there are Anglo-Catholics, and then there are Anglo-Catholics. Some accept the ordination of women, some do not. Some believe that homosexual relations are a sin, and some do not. I happen to think that the real Anglo-Catholics are Catholic both in liturgy and doctrine. But there are a lot of Episcopalians who are, more or less, Unitarians who like incense. Charles Hohenstein Right on…otherwise known as "dressed up Protestants" or "haberdashery Christians". FTT

Then why don’t you guys go on over to Rome? m – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, there are Anglo-Catholics, and then there are Anglo-Catholics. Some accept the ordination of women, some do not. Some believe that homosexual relations are a sin, and some do not. I happen to think that the real Anglo-Catholics are Catholic both in liturgy and doctrine. But there are a lot of Episcopalians who are, more or less, Unitarians who like incense. Charles Hohenstein Right on…otherwise known as "dressed up Protestants" or "haberdashery Christians".

Thanks, I’ll remember those expressions. :) Charles Hohenstein Boycott French products! http://www.FranceStinks.com/ http://www.pavefrance.com/blog/

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…  I have little doubt that you are not an Episcopalian, and wonder if you are a Christian. … I think he mentioned a week or so ago that he’s Anglo-Catholic.  Seems to me that explains a great deal.

So much for your knowledge of Anglicanism Elbert Anglo Catholicism has been for years the "place" for Anglican / Episcopal gays. Get real…!!! FTT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As to whether or not he’s Christian … Thomas Cranmer was halfway convinced that the pope is the Antichrist.  [See below] —

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…  I have little doubt that you are not an Episcopalian, and wonder if you are a Christian. …

I think he mentioned a week or so ago that he’s Anglo-Catholic.  Seems to me that explains a great deal. As to whether or not he’s Christian … Thomas Cranmer was halfway convinced that the pope is the Antichrist.  [See below] —  From all sedicion and pryvie conspiracie, from the tyrannye of the Bysshop of Rome,      and al hys detestable enormities, from al false doctryne and heresy, from hardnes of hearte,      and contempte of thy worde and commaundement. Good lord, deliver us. from the Litany, 1549 BCP

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If I represent the "far far right," what do you consider the Orthodox Church and the Romans? By orthodox Christian standards, I’m certainly not an extremist. And I certainly don’t care about how I compare to heretics. You are one of the most extreme posters I have ever encountered in 3 years on the net.  

You must not hang out with a lot of conservatives, then. I suppose that should be evident. I have little doubt that you are not an Episcopalian, and wonder if you are a Christian.  

I’m definitely both. Sorry to disappoint you. I’m sure that you are an Episcopalian too, although you sound more like a Unitarian. I suspect that you get some cheap thrill by attempting to force squabbles among the Christians.

Liberals try to impose acceptance of sodomy on the rest of us, and _we_ are the ones forcing the squabbles? The last Lambeth Conference and the recent primates’ meeting in Brazil were perfectly clear about what needed to happen in order to avoid squabbles. It was the liberals who gave the collective finger to the Anglican communion by proceeding with blessings of same-sex unions in New Westminster and the election of gay bishops. Orthodox?  LOL!  Your hate spewing might make you an orthodox snake in the grass maybe, but certainly not a representative of Jesus Christ.

The same tired, old liberal tactic. Conservatives are motivated by hate, and liberals are motivated by boundless love of God and their fellow man. Unless, of course, they’re a bunch of dirty orthodox Anglicans in Africa and Asia. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And what do you think will be the truth discovered by unrepentant sinners? Charles Hohenstein Is self righteousness a sin?  Tend to your own backyard. What self-righteousness? I have never claimed to be other than a sinner. I acknowledge and repent of my sins. The revisionists, on the other hand, take their doctrine of sin from the newspapers, not from the scriptures. Charles Hohenstein Where to begin…your cute little tag about France?  

The French are our political enemies. If you don’t believe it, ask the French. Your use of the term sodomy?…

That is the time-honored expression. It is the term used, for instance, in the King James Version. It is the language of "alternative lifestyle" which is self-righteous and which is used as a convenient excuse for moral failings. your insistence that anyone who disagrees with you is a revisionist?

No, I have also disagreed with Romanists, but I do admit that Rome is much less of a threat to our Church right now than the peril from within. Live in your own little fantasy world; but don’t claim that it is Christian.

I most certainly claim to be a Christian and am happy to enjoy the communion of the saints. Unfortunately, those who have departed from the Christian faith cannot say the same. Charles Hohenstein Boycott French products! http://www.FranceStinks.com/ http://www.pavefrance.com/blog/

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Since you belong to the "far-far-left wing," I think we would be wise to take your statement with more than a grain of salt. Keep in mind this is said from one who speaks from the far far right.

If I represent the "far far right," what do you consider the Orthodox Church and the Romans? By orthodox Christian standards, I’m certainly not an extremist. And I certainly don’t care about how I compare to heretics. And what do you think will be the truth discovered by unrepentant sinners? Charles Hohenstein Is self righteousness a sin?  Tend to your own backyard.

What self-righteousness? I have never claimed to be other than a sinner. I acknowledge and repent of my sins. The revisionists, on the other hand, take their doctrine of sin from the newspapers, not from the scriptures. Charles Hohenstein Boycott French products! http://www.FranceStinks.com/ http://www.pavefrance.com/blog/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since you belong to the "far-far-left wing," I think we would be wise to take your statement with more than a grain of salt. Keep in mind this is said from one who speaks from the far far right. If I represent the "far far right," what do you consider the Orthodox Church and the Romans? By orthodox Christian standards, I’m certainly not an extremist. And I certainly don’t care about how I compare to heretics.

You are one of the most extreme posters I have ever encountered in 3 years on the net.  I have little doubt that you are not an Episcopalian, and wonder if you are a Christian.   I suspect that you get some cheap thrill by attempting to force squabbles among the Christians. Orthodox?  LOL!  Your hate spewing might make you an orthodox snake in the grass maybe, but certainly not a representative of Jesus Christ. And what do you think will be the truth discovered by unrepentant sinners? Charles Hohenstein Is self righteousness a sin?  Tend to your own backyard. What self-righteousness? I have never claimed to be other than a sinner. I acknowledge and repent of my sins. The revisionists, on the other hand, take their doctrine of sin from the newspapers, not from the scriptures. Charles Hohenstein

Where to begin…your cute little tag about France?  Your use of the term sodomy?…your insistence that anyone who disagrees with you is a revisionist? Live in your own little fantasy world; but don’t claim that it is Christian. Terry

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And also please understand that "MassNews", which is passingly (and off-handedly) cited as the source of the above tripe, is a far-far-right-wing "agent-provacateur" publication in Massachusetts, which IN NO WAY represents more than a tiny fraction of public (or even of explicitly religious) opinion in our state.

Since you belong to the "far-far-left wing," I think we would be wise to take your statement with more than a grain of salt. It is also believed to have significant "Opus Dei" connections at the contributor level.

You continually speak of Opus Dei in the manner liberals accuse conservatives of speaking of communists. If I thought for a moment that this offal represented the "state of the art" of religious belief on our planet, I would have lost my Christian faith long ago. Fortunately, I’ve been graced to have ventured "across the Great Boundary" many times, and to have surveyed the actual situation for myself.

You have made visits to the underworld? Do tell. These hard-core right-wingers are simply full of it. They know nothing about the characteristics of the world which we enter after we leave our physical bodies. Believe me: THE QUALITY OF OUR LOVE IS ALL THAT MATTERS in the end.

I’m glad that we have that on your personal authority. :) I don’t talk about this situation lightly. In fact, I do so very reluctantly, because I understand the justifiably skeptical reactions it will provoke. But vicious and hateful crap like this finally pushes my buttons sufficiently that I need to say something about it. Obviously, each of you will "discover the truth" for yourself when you die. Good luck, and God Bless.

And what do you think will be the truth discovered by unrepentant sinners? Charles Hohenstein Boycott French products! http://www.FranceStinks.com/ http://www.pavefrance.com/blog/

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And also please understand that "MassNews", which is passingly (and off-handedly) cited as the source of the above tripe, is a far-far-right-wing "agent-provacateur" publication in Massachusetts, which IN NO WAY represents more than a tiny fraction of public (or even of explicitly religious) opinion in our state. Since you belong to the "far-far-left wing," I think we would be wise to take your statement with more than a grain of salt.

Keep in mind this is said from one who speaks from the far far right. And what do you think will be the truth discovered by unrepentant sinners? Charles Hohenstein

Is self righteousness a sin?  Tend to your own backyard. Terry

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If we don’t start standing up for the institution of marriage which says in the Sacrament is between a Woman and a Man then we will be no better than ancient Rome which regarded homosexuality as normal and heterosexuality as suspicious.  We need to get down on our knees and pray to God for forgiven for the state this country and the world is in now with the bleeding heart liberals messing it up.

No doubt you have a citation other than tracts as to this matter of the acceptance of same-gender love in Ancient Rome.  Perhaps something from Gibbon – "The Decline and Fall . . ." Be reminded that Rome reached its apogee of extent and power under Hadrian — much later to fall under attack from tramontaine tribes from Germany. Hadrian’s love for Antinous had nothing to do with the matter! ward  "Who loves not wisely but too well, will look on Helen’s face in Hell.     But he whose love is thin and wise, will view John Knox in paradise."                                     – Dorothy Parker

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If we don’t start standing up for the institution of marriage which says in the Sacrament is between a Woman and a Man then we will be no better than ancient Rome which regarded homosexuality as normal and heterosexuality as suspicious.  We need to get down on our knees and pray to God for forgiven for the state this country and the world is in now with the bleeding heart liberals messing it up.

In the Episcopal Church marriage is NOT a sacrament. In fact, most clergy I’ve talked to would like to get OUT of, as they put it, "the marriage business" only doing a marriage for standing members of the church.

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If we don’t start standing up for the institution of marriage which says in the Sacrament is between a Woman and a Man then we will be no better than ancient Rome which regarded homosexuality as normal and heterosexuality as suspicious.  We need to get down on our knees and pray to God for forgiven for the state this country and the world is in now with the bleeding heart liberals messing it up.

Actually, if you check the writings of people like Juvenal, you’ll find that lots of Romans disliked homosexuality.  It was no crime, but it was probably not considered best behavior.  If you read Suetonius, you get the impression that Romans did nothing but indulge in sex, but Suetonius is no more critical of his sources than The National Enquirer.  If you want history, you’ll have to turn to Tacitus.  Martial vividly describes various sexual practices for humorous effect, some of which fit the category that you are condemning. The attitude of the Greeks is not really clear, but seems to have been more accepting of homosexuality.  We have a lot of material from 5th-century (B.C.) Athens promoting homosexual relationships, particularly in Plato’s dialogues.  Plato was probably bisexual and Socrates certainly was (his wife is mentioned in the accounts of his death).  But the material advocating homosexuality was written by gays and bisexuals, and their agenda is pretty easy to see.  The writings of Sappho, such as we have, are unclear; probably she was involved with one or more of the young women in her school, but the material can as easily be taken as representing asexual relations. On the other hand, Aristophanes’ Clouds is full of lines ridiculing Socrates for his homosexuality.  Aristophanes loves to throw around the accusation "wide anus" at Socrates; the reference is pretty clear. Classicists have no consensus on whether these jokes are meant in good humor or not. While it’s perfectly fair to say that among the Greeks and Romans homosexual behavior was not criminalized and was probably not terribly stigmatized, it’s not accurate to declare that the ancients routinely advocated such behavior. And neither the Greeks nor the Romans were "suspicious" of heterosexuality.  Whoever told you that is simply ignorant.  Ovid, Lucian (and his Latin translator, Apuleius), Catullus, Martial and others all portray healthy appetites for heterosexual relations.  Or you might go to Pompeii and have a look at the wall paintings in the brothels there. I’d suggest that you go to your local big bookstore and pick up a couple of dozen Penquin editions of the Greek and Latin classics in translation and plow through them to get a better grip on what ancient opinions on sex were. Best wishes, A Classicist

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… 3. Is it loving or thoughtful to say that homosexual relationships are "life-giving" when it actual fact they often lead to AIDS?

… People have contracted AIDS from blood transfusions also.  Are blood transfusions then sinful?  You realize of course that this is exactly what the Christian Scientists believe. … 5. Jesus was never married, and we may safely assume that He never had sex. Should not unmarried Christians at least make an attempt to take up their cross and follow Him?

… The Bible is silent on His marital or sexual status.  It also fails to mention whether He belched, broke wind, blew His nose, scratched where it itched, urinated, defecated, changed His clothing or combed His hair.   May we safely assume that He never did any of these things either? Was He like Max von Sydow in the movie, going through life eternally primped and exquisitely coiffed? That something is NOT mentioned in a source simply means that we don’t know anything about the subject.  Don’t try to make more of it than that. … —  From all sedicion and pryvie conspiracie, from the tyrannye of the Bysshop of Rome,      and al hys detestable enormities, from al false doctryne and heresy, from hardnes of hearte,      and contempte of thy worde and commaundement. Good lord, deliver us. from the Litany, 1549 BCP

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That something is NOT mentioned in a source simply means that we don’t know anything about the subject.  Don’t try to make more of it than that.

And also please understand that "MassNews", which is passingly (and off-handedly) cited as the source of the above tripe, is a far-far-right-wing "agent-provacateur" publication in Massachusetts, which IN NO WAY represents more than a tiny fraction of public (or even of explicitly religious) opinion in our state. It is also believed to have significant "Opus Dei" connections at the contributor level. If I thought for a moment that this offal represented the "state of the art" of religious belief on our planet, I would have lost my Christian faith long ago. Fortunately, I’ve been graced to have ventured "across the Great Boundary" many times, and to have surveyed the actual situation for myself. These hard-core right-wingers are simply full of it. They know nothing about the characteristics of the world which we enter after we leave our physical bodies. Believe me: THE QUALITY OF OUR LOVE IS ALL THAT MATTERS in the end. I don’t talk about this situation lightly. In fact, I do so very reluctantly, because I understand the justifiably skeptical reactions it will provoke. But vicious and hateful crap like this finally pushes my buttons sufficiently that I need to say something about it. Obviously, each of you will "discover the truth" for yourself when you die. Good luck, and God Bless.

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<grateful snip Rob, there was really no need for you to DOUBLE-post this far-right diatribe from MassNews, but I’m amused and gratified to note the clickable-html links which Google mischievously appended to the top of your message, based on its automatic key word search: Gay Weddings.com

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That is quite a rant.  However, all you do is prove the very stereotype and ignorance..hatred and miseducation that is generalized as heterosexual driven….is found in all walks of life…I can only assume you are not heterosexual..I will further assume that your nasty dealings with people who do not accept you for your difference happened to be heterosexual….BUT we all belong to some chopped up group…gay..straight..black..white…female..male..etc etc etc…and all that can truely be said …without one group  wearing themselves out with fingerpointing …is that ignorance has no boundries of sex ..creed…sexual idenity..color..or religion…your views only give way to other groups misinformation and dislike of you…Homosexuals, in their  most generalized walks of life..do not care about heterosexual views…most..true activist and leader in their various fields…would quickly tell you…that they do not in any way want the acceptance or be given the legal /moral rights to the heterosexual lifestyle..they are not heterosexual..and strive daily to get that point across..they do not want to be apart of the rules, laws, or regulations that heterosexuals must live by….I am sorry your anger is so apparent…you would do well in the future to stand behind yourself as a person and not justify you life choices..by condeming another group for the very actions you are taking… AND to claim that one group of people are responsible for all child labor…molestation…and other acts of out and out stupidity and sickness.is a cop out on your own ability to find true distinctions of systems between to groups..I would happily show you many court cases and historical records …that would show proof to the fact that members of ever type of people are responsible for many types of acts…many if not all of which intercede at some point or another….try to have more dignity and less fallacy and maybe your arguments ..or rants of choice would not be so…well so damn laughable..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship Heterosexuality is Bestiality Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people. They have always molested, bullied and criticised others. When the others criticise them, they threaten them. They want to silence them. They do not accept criticism. They claim the right and the freedom to attack and criticise others but they refuse others this same right to criticise them. Heterosexual people terrorize others by violence and repression. They terrorize people also by passing discriminatory laws against others. This heterosexual terrorism and dictatorship have been legalised and institutionalized. There is something common in heterosexual people, terrorists and religious extremists and fanatics. Their psychologies are more or less the same. Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. They do not accept that people question and criticise them. They are tyrannical. They want to make people believe that heterosexuality cannot be questionned, analyzed, criticised and challenged. This shows that heterosexuals are totalitarian. Heterosexual people have oppressed others for centuries and if we suggest making them feel for only a week (or even a day) what they have done to others, they rant and threaten with violence. This confirms the terrorist nature and mentality of heterosexual people. They are the source of all evils in this world. The only solution is to remove them from the world. All hetero bandits, hetero pigs, hetero fornicators, hetero perverts, hetero fanatics and hetero murderers should be condemned to death. The world will be a better place without those hetero shit. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. The talibans who were dictatorial and who tortured women were also heterosexual. All those black dictators of african origin are heterosexual, e.g the negro gorilla dictator called Mugabe. Heterosexuals have always been on the offensive. They have always attacked others without good arguments. Their attacks are based on lies, violence, vulgarity and injustice. Gays and other groups of people have always been on the defensive. This is why heterosexuals have become arrogant and tyrannical. Gays and other groups of people should strike back more often. They should counter attack They should be more on the offensive also. In fact it is heterosexuals who have not respected others. They have oppressed others. The others have the right to strike back. Heterosexuals have always acted like terrorists. This is Heterosexual Terrorism. They should be condemned. Five articles are reproduced below to show how heterosexuals are murderous, abnormal, perverted, sinful and dirty. Heterosexuals are beasts and filthy Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they have themselves many more faults, defects, vices and perversions. Heterosexuals are monsters. In 1999, in a few days heterosexuals committed many monstrous crimes. In Egypt a man stabbed the lover of his wife 300 times and then cut his head. In Israel a man set fire to the house of his wife, killing his wife and his children. In atlanta, USA a man killed his wife and children and then killed 9 other people. Heterosexuals are beasts. Heterosexuality is bestiality. Some time ago, in belgium, a pastor and his daughter with whom he had an incestuous relationship killed 10 people. 5 were members of their family. The two heterosexuals got rid of their victims by dissolving their bodies in acid. The heterosexual man was a pastor and a theology teacher. In Gloucester, Great Britain, frederick and rosemary West who were husband and wife, killed and buried 18 persons. Some were their children. In the eighties, a heterosexual man in california raped, tortured and killed more than 15 women. the man took sadistic pleasures in seeing the women suffered. One of his methods was to cut them with an electric saw. The man took pleasure in seeing the women shouting in terrible pain. Several years ago in South America (Colombia) a heterosexual man raped and killed more than 100 girls. In France the parents of a 5 year old boy martyrized the little boy for years. They beated him and imprisoned him in a little cage. They took pleasure in seeing the little boy suffered. A few years ago in France a Head of school killed the prostitute he was frequenting because the prostitute no longer wanted him. There are many other cases of heterosexual atrocities. Every week (sometimes every day) in the media of the world you can read and hear about heinous crimes committed by heterosexuals. Heterosexuals like to brag and threaten people about many things. Then for offences and crimes they must be punished more severely because they have no extenuating circumstances. There are only three possibilities for them. Either they are shut in psychiatric hospitals or they are shut in prisons or they are executed. It is not because many parents are heterosexual that they are perfect. Many parents and heterosexuals want only to satisfy their vicious desires. Children are just the result of their vices. It is not that because something is necessary that it is perfect. Excrement is necessary and it is not perfect. Heterosexuals are like excrement. They are not perfect, they are disgusting and wicked. Heterosexuality is no longer necessary to have children. Artificial Insemination is replacing it. Some heterosexuals say that they have to fornicate to ensure the survival of humankind. Their argument does not convince at all. First we do not need so many children on this earth. On the contrary it will be better if they stop copulating and fornicating. There will be less vices and less problems caused by heterosexuals and overpopulation. If those heterosexuals stop copulating and do not have children we will not regret at all. We will rejoice because there will be less problems and more resources available for people existing on earth. It is better to have quality than quantity, that is, it is better to have fewer people who are better and having a better quality of life than having too many people who are bad and who degrade the quality of life. Secondly to have children, heterosexuals do not need to have so many copulations. They have thousands times more copulations than necessary. It is as if an employee is asking thousands times more money for the real value of a job or a seller is making people pay thousands times more than the real value of an article. If those heterosexuals stop copulating the world will be a better place. The world do not need those type of people. There are people more than necessary on this earth. There are also enough smart people on this earth. Many problems (crimes, vices, theft, exploitation, etc) caused by heterosexuals will disappear. So we say, let them stop copulating and having children. Heterosexuals are the greatest killers and the greatest perverts Heterosexuals are the greatest killers. Since the beginning of the world heterosexuals have killed as many as the increase in population at a particular period and sometimes much more. For example in 1970 there were 4 billions people. Now there are 6 billions people. In 30 years the population has increased by 2 billions. In the same period heterosexuals have killed approximately the same number of people. From 1970 to 1999 an average of 50

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Just Shut UP and Bend Over!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship Heterosexuality is Bestiality Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people. They have always molested, bullied and criticised others. When the others criticise them, they threaten them. They want to silence them. They do not accept criticism. They claim the right and the freedom to attack and criticise others but they refuse others this same right to criticise them. Heterosexual people terrorize others by violence and repression. They terrorize people also by passing discriminatory laws against others. This heterosexual terrorism and dictatorship have been legalised and institutionalized. There is something common in heterosexual people, terrorists and religious extremists and fanatics. Their psychologies are more or less the same. Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. They do not accept that people question and criticise them. They are tyrannical. They want to make people believe that heterosexuality cannot be questionned, analyzed, criticised and challenged. This shows that heterosexuals are totalitarian. Heterosexual people have oppressed others for centuries and if we suggest making them feel for only a week (or even a day) what they have done to others, they rant and threaten with violence. This confirms the terrorist nature and mentality of heterosexual people. They are the source of all evils in this world. The only solution is to remove them from the world. All hetero bandits, hetero pigs, hetero fornicators, hetero perverts, hetero fanatics and hetero murderers should be condemned to death. The world will be a better place without those hetero shit. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. The talibans who were dictatorial and who tortured women were also heterosexual. All those black dictators of african origin are heterosexual, e.g the negro gorilla dictator called Mugabe. Heterosexuals have always been on the offensive. They have always attacked others without good arguments. Their attacks are based on lies, violence, vulgarity and injustice. Gays and other groups of people have always been on the defensive. This is why heterosexuals have become arrogant and tyrannical. Gays and other groups of people should strike back more often. They should counter attack They should be more on the offensive also. In fact it is heterosexuals who have not respected others. They have oppressed others. The others have the right to strike back. Heterosexuals have always acted like terrorists. This is Heterosexual Terrorism. They should be condemned. Five articles are reproduced below to show how heterosexuals are murderous, abnormal, perverted, sinful and dirty. Heterosexuals are beasts and filthy Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they have themselves many more faults, defects, vices and perversions. Heterosexuals are monsters. In 1999, in a few days heterosexuals committed many monstrous crimes. In Egypt a man stabbed the lover of his wife 300 times and then cut his head. In Israel a man set fire to the house of his wife, killing his wife and his children. In atlanta, USA a man killed his wife and children and then killed 9 other people. Heterosexuals are beasts. Heterosexuality is bestiality. Some time ago, in belgium, a pastor and his daughter with whom he had an incestuous relationship killed 10 people. 5 were members of their family. The two heterosexuals got rid of their victims by dissolving their bodies in acid. The heterosexual man was a pastor and a theology teacher. In Gloucester, Great Britain, frederick and rosemary West who were husband and wife, killed and buried 18 persons. Some were their children. In the eighties, a heterosexual man in california raped, tortured and killed more than 15 women. the man took sadistic pleasures in seeing the women suffered. One of his methods was to cut them with an electric saw. The man took pleasure in seeing the women shouting in terrible pain. Several years ago in South America (Colombia) a heterosexual man raped and killed more than 100 girls. In France the parents of a 5 year old boy martyrized the little boy for years. They beated him and imprisoned him in a little cage. They took pleasure in seeing the little boy suffered. A few years ago in France a Head of school killed the prostitute he was frequenting because the prostitute no longer wanted him. There are many other cases of heterosexual atrocities. Every week (sometimes every day) in the media of the world you can read and hear about heinous crimes committed by heterosexuals. Heterosexuals like to brag and threaten people about many things. Then for offences and crimes they must be punished more severely because they have no extenuating circumstances. There are only three possibilities for them. Either they are shut in psychiatric hospitals or they are shut in prisons or they are executed. It is not because many parents are heterosexual that they are perfect. Many parents and heterosexuals want only to satisfy their vicious desires. Children are just the result of their vices. It is not that because something is necessary that it is perfect. Excrement is necessary and it is not perfect. Heterosexuals are like excrement. They are not perfect, they are disgusting and wicked. Heterosexuality is no longer necessary to have children. Artificial Insemination is replacing it. Some heterosexuals say that they have to fornicate to ensure the survival of humankind. Their argument does not convince at all. First we do not need so many children on this earth. On the contrary it will be better if they stop copulating and fornicating. There will be less vices and less problems caused by heterosexuals and overpopulation. If those heterosexuals stop copulating and do not have children we will not regret at all. We will rejoice because there will be less problems and more resources available for people existing on earth. It is better to have quality than quantity, that is, it is better to have fewer people who are better and having a better quality of life than having too many people who are bad and who degrade the quality of life. Secondly to have children, heterosexuals do not need to have so many copulations. They have thousands times more copulations than necessary. It is as if an employee is asking thousands times more money for the real value of a job or a seller is making people pay thousands times more than the real value of an article. If those heterosexuals stop copulating the world will be a better place. The world do not need those type of people. There are people more than necessary on this earth. There are also enough smart people on this earth. Many problems (crimes, vices, theft, exploitation, etc) caused by heterosexuals will disappear. So we say, let them stop copulating and having children. Heterosexuals are the greatest killers and the greatest perverts Heterosexuals are the greatest killers. Since the beginning of the world heterosexuals have killed as many as the increase in population at a particular period and sometimes much more. For example in 1970 there were 4 billions people. Now there are 6 billions people. In 30 years the population has increased by 2 billions. In the same period heterosexuals have killed approximately the same number of people. From 1970 to 1999 an average of 50 millions abortions were perpetrated each year by heterosexuals (Data from United Nations and World Health Organization). This means that in 30 yrs, 50×30=1500 millions abortions have been committed. Heterosexuals are guilty of 1.5 billions abortions in that period of time. Heterosexuals are guilty of this holocaust and genocide of children. Heterosexuals are worst than the Nazis. Heterosexuals committed about 150 crimes per year per million people. From 1970 to 1999 the average world population was 5 billions, that is 5000 millions people. Therefore each year heterosexuals committed 5000×150=750000 crimes. For 30 years they committed 30×750000=22,500,000 crimes. During that period heterosexuals killed also about 100 millions people in wars (soldiers and civil population). During that period heterosexuals also killed about 100 millions people by various diseases such as syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, AIDS, tuberculosis, leprosy, etc. In the world 85% of AIDS are caused and transmitted by heterosexuals. AIDS is a heterosexual disease. AIDS means heterosexuality. During that period heterosexuals have killed and maimed about 100 millions children through wars, molestation, child batterings, ill treatment, lack of care and abandonment. Heterosexuals had also killed and are still killing millions of children in the bellies of their mothers by their furious and savage copulations. During that period heterosexuals have killed about 1,825 millions people, that is, 1.825 billions (by abortions+crimes+wars+diseases+child batterings and lack of care,etc). Heterosexuals are therefore the greatest killers, the greatest murderers, the greatest perverts and the greatest monsters. Heterosexuals are the most dangerous people. Shame on heterosexuals. Heterosexuals say they give life to babies but they must remember that for every person alive, they have killed another person. They give life but

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Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship Heterosexuality is Bestiality Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people. They have always molested, bullied and criticised others. When the others criticise them, they threaten them. They want to silence them. They do not accept criticism. They claim the right and the freedom to attack and criticise others but they refuse others this same right to criticise them. Heterosexual people terrorize others by violence and repression. They terrorize people also by passing discriminatory laws against others. This heterosexual terrorism and dictatorship have been legalised and institutionalized. There is something common in heterosexual people, terrorists and religious extremists and fanatics. Their psychologies are more or less the same. Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. They do not accept that people question and criticise them. They are tyrannical. They want to make people believe that heterosexuality cannot be questionned, analyzed, criticised and challenged. This shows that heterosexuals are totalitarian. Heterosexual people have oppressed others for centuries and if we suggest making them feel for only a week (or even a day) what they have done to others, they rant and threaten with violence. This confirms the terrorist nature and mentality of heterosexual people. They are the source of all evils in this world. The only solution is to remove them from the world. All hetero bandits, hetero pigs, hetero fornicators, hetero perverts, hetero fanatics and hetero murderers should be condemned to death. The world will be a better place without those hetero shit. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. The talibans who were dictatorial and who tortured women were also heterosexual. All those black dictators of african origin are heterosexual, e.g the negro gorilla dictator called Mugabe. Heterosexuals have always been on the offensive. They have always attacked others without good arguments. Their attacks are based on lies, violence, vulgarity and injustice. Gays and other groups of people have always been on the defensive. This is why heterosexuals have become arrogant and tyrannical. Gays and other groups of people should strike back more often. They should counter attack They should be more on the offensive also. In fact it is heterosexuals who have not respected others. They have oppressed others. The others have the right to strike back. Heterosexuals have always acted like terrorists. This is Heterosexual Terrorism. They should be condemned. Five articles are reproduced below to show how heterosexuals are murderous, abnormal, perverted, sinful and dirty. Heterosexuals are beasts and filthy Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they have themselves many more faults, defects, vices and perversions. Heterosexuals are monsters. In 1999, in a few days heterosexuals committed many monstrous crimes. In Egypt a man stabbed the lover of his wife 300 times and then cut his head. In Israel a man set fire to the house of his wife, killing his wife and his children. In atlanta, USA a man killed his wife and children and then killed 9 other people. Heterosexuals are beasts. Heterosexuality is bestiality. Some time ago, in belgium, a pastor and his daughter with whom he had an incestuous relationship killed 10 people. 5 were members of their family. The two heterosexuals got rid of their victims by dissolving their bodies in acid. The heterosexual man was a pastor and a theology teacher. In Gloucester, Great Britain, frederick and rosemary West who were husband and wife, killed and buried 18 persons. Some were their children. In the eighties, a heterosexual man in california raped, tortured and killed more than 15 women. the man took sadistic pleasures in seeing the women suffered. One of his methods was to cut them with an electric saw. The man took pleasure in seeing the women shouting in terrible pain. Several years ago in South America (Colombia) a heterosexual man raped and killed more than 100 girls. In France the parents of a 5 year old boy martyrized the little boy for years. They beated him and imprisoned him in a little cage. They took pleasure in seeing the little boy suffered. A few years ago in France a Head of school killed the prostitute he was frequenting because the prostitute no longer wanted him. There are many other cases of heterosexual atrocities. Every week (sometimes every day) in the media of the world you can read and hear about heinous crimes committed by heterosexuals. Heterosexuals like to brag and threaten people about many things. Then for offences and crimes they must be punished more severely because they have no extenuating circumstances. There are only three possibilities for them. Either they are shut in psychiatric hospitals or they are shut in prisons or they are executed. It is not because many parents are heterosexual that they are perfect. Many parents and heterosexuals want only to satisfy their vicious desires. Children are just the result of their vices. It is not that because something is necessary that it is perfect. Excrement is necessary and it is not perfect. Heterosexuals are like excrement. They are not perfect, they are disgusting and wicked. Heterosexuality is no longer necessary to have children. Artificial Insemination is replacing it. Some heterosexuals say that they have to fornicate to ensure the survival of humankind. Their argument does not convince at all. First we do not need so many children on this earth. On the contrary it will be better if they stop copulating and fornicating. There will be less vices and less problems caused by heterosexuals and overpopulation. If those heterosexuals stop copulating and do not have children we will not regret at all. We will rejoice because there will be less problems and more resources available for people existing on earth. It is better to have quality than quantity, that is, it is better to have fewer people who are better and having a better quality of life than having too many people who are bad and who degrade the quality of life. Secondly to have children, heterosexuals do not need to have so many copulations. They have thousands times more copulations than necessary. It is as if an employee is asking thousands times more money for the real value of a job or a seller is making people pay thousands times more than the real value of an article. If those heterosexuals stop copulating the world will be a better place. The world do not need those type of people. There are people more than necessary on this earth. There are also enough smart people on this earth. Many problems (crimes, vices, theft, exploitation, etc) caused by heterosexuals will disappear. So we say, let them stop copulating and having children. Heterosexuals are the greatest killers and the greatest perverts Heterosexuals are the greatest killers. Since the beginning of the world heterosexuals have killed as many as the increase in population at a particular period and sometimes much more. For example in 1970 there were 4 billions people. Now there are 6 billions people. In 30 years the population has increased by 2 billions. In the same period heterosexuals have killed approximately the same number of people. From 1970 to 1999 an average of 50 millions abortions were perpetrated each year by heterosexuals (Data from United Nations and World Health Organization). This means that in 30 yrs, 50×30=1500 millions abortions have been committed. Heterosexuals are guilty of 1.5 billions abortions in that period of time. Heterosexuals are guilty of this holocaust and genocide of children. Heterosexuals are worst than the Nazis. Heterosexuals committed about 150 crimes per year per million people. From 1970 to 1999 the average world population was 5 billions, that is 5000 millions people. Therefore each year heterosexuals committed 5000×150=750000 crimes. For 30 years they committed 30×750000=22,500,000 crimes. During that period heterosexuals killed also about 100 millions people in wars (soldiers and civil population). During that period heterosexuals also killed about 100 millions people by various diseases such as syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, AIDS, tuberculosis, leprosy, etc. In the world 85% of AIDS are caused and transmitted by heterosexuals. AIDS is a heterosexual disease. AIDS means heterosexuality. During that period heterosexuals have killed and maimed about 100 millions children through wars, molestation, child batterings, ill treatment, lack of care and abandonment. Heterosexuals had also killed and are still killing millions of children in the bellies of their mothers by their furious and savage copulations. During that period heterosexuals have killed about 1,825 millions people, that is, 1.825 billions (by abortions+crimes+wars+diseases+child batterings and lack of care,etc). Heterosexuals are therefore the greatest killers, the greatest murderers, the greatest perverts and the greatest monsters. Heterosexuals are the most dangerous people. Shame on heterosexuals. Heterosexuals say they give life to babies but they must remember that for every person alive, they have killed another person. They give life but at what cost. The cost is violence, crimes, vices, perversions, wars, agressions and sins. The price of their life giving is very high. They must also remember that most heterosexuals want only to satisfy their sexual and vicious desires. Children are just the consequences. Heterosexuals have nothing to be proud about having children. 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Heterosexual men want to stab women between their legs with their penises.

lol

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Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship

The core of your argument is I am not a heterosexual I am not a terrorist, molester, bully, critic (?), repressor……. ……. religious fanatic, ….beast, filthy….pervert.etc etc etc. Therefore all heterosexuals are terrorists, molesters, bullys, critics, repressor……. ……. religious fanatic, ….beast, filthy….pervert.etc etc etc. Clearly your logic is flawed. What’s more you are unbalanced by your hatred and are fanatical to the extreme. If you were given any kind of power over another human being (a child for instance) you would be a danger to them. I suggest you seek counselling before you try and procreate. The reality is that if it was somehow possible to turn everyone into gay, celibate, artificially inseminating women and somehow manage to maintain a population large enough to keep civilisation alive then many of these crimes would still exist. Instead of dictating (oops) to the rest of of us I suggest you campaign to be given your own little commune to try your theories out somewhere. (democracy – I’m not sure of the sexual preferences of its inventor but it is practiced by leaders straight and gay for many centuries.) I’d try asking Holland. The Dutch are quite open minded about these things. Unfortunately, also open-minded about many other things you might feel morally repugnant – like consenting adults doing what they like in ther privacy of their own homes. Just in case I’d stick to wearing blinkers and invest in some heavy sound-proofing for your new utopia.

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He, he, you must be Jay! Come on!

intruder is such homophobe, he has cut and pasted the below article to insite hatred. nice try monkey, but no one pays attention to you. and next time can you at least learn not to inlcude the whole article in reply.  what a monkey. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship

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I think the poster is making a point. Saying all heterosexuals are terrorists is about as logical as saying all muslims are terrorists.

Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship

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He, he, you must be Jay! Come on! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people. They have always molested, bullied and criticised others. When the others criticise them, they threaten them. They want to silence them. They do not accept criticism. They claim the right and the freedom to attack and criticise others but they refuse others this same right to criticise them. Heterosexual people terrorize others by violence and repression. They terrorize people also by passing discriminatory laws against others. This heterosexual terrorism and dictatorship have been legalised and institutionalized. There is something common in heterosexual people, terrorists and religious extremists and fanatics. Their psychologies are more or less the same. Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. They do not accept that people question and criticise them. They are tyrannical. They want to make people believe that heterosexuality cannot be questionned, analyzed, criticised and challenged. This shows that heterosexuals are totalitarian. Heterosexual people have oppressed others for centuries and if we suggest making them feel for only a week (or even a day) what they have done to others, they rant and threaten with violence. This confirms the terrorist nature and mentality of heterosexual people. They are the source of all evils in this world. The only solution is to remove them from the world. All hetero bandits, hetero pigs, hetero fornicators, hetero perverts, hetero fanatics and hetero murderers should be condemned to death. The world will be a better place without those hetero shit. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. The talibans who were dictatorial and who tortured women were also heterosexual. All those black dictators of african origin are heterosexual. Heterosexuals have always been on the offensive. They have always attacked others without good arguments. Their attacks are based on lies, violence, vulgarity and injustice. Gays and other groups of people have always been on the defensive. This is why heterosexuals have become arrogant and tyrannical. Gays and other groups of people should strike back more often. They should counter attack. They should be more on the offensive also. In fact it is heterosexuals who have not respected others. They have oppressed others. The others have the right to strike back. Heterosexuals have always acted like terrorists. This is Heterosexual Terrorism. They should be condemned. Four articles are reproduced below to show how heterosexuals are murderous, abnormal, perverted, sinful and dirty. Heterosexuals are beasts and filthy Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they have themselves many more faults, defects, vices and perversions. Heterosexuals are monsters. In 1999, in a few days heterosexuals committed many monstrous crimes. In Egypt a man stabbed the lover of his wife 300 times and then cut his head. In Israel a man set fire to the house of his wife, killing his wife and his children. In atlanta, USA a man killed his wife and children and then killed 9 other people. Heterosexuals are beasts. Heterosexuality is bestiality. Some time ago, in belgium, a pastor and his daughter with whom he had an incestuous relationship killed 10 people. 5 were members of their family. The two heterosexuals got rid of their victims by dissolving their bodies in acid. The heterosexual man was a pastor and a theology teacher. In Gloucester, Great Britain, frederick and rosemary West who were husband and wife, killed and buried 18 persons. Some were their children. In the eighties, a heterosexual man in california raped, tortured and killed more than 15 women. the man took sadistic pleasures in seeing the women suffered. One of his methods was to cut them with an electric saw. The man took pleasure in seeing the women shouting in terrible pain. Several years ago in South America (Colombia) a heterosexual man raped and killed more than 100 girls. In France the parents of a 5 year old boy martyrized the little boy for years. They beated him and imprisoned him in a little cage. They took pleasure in seeing the little boy suffered. A few years ago in France a Head of school killed the prostitute he was frequenting because the prostitute no longer wanted him. There are many other cases of heterosexual atrocities. Every week (sometimes every day) in the media of the world you can read and hear about heinous crimes committed by heterosexuals. Heterosexuals like to brag and threaten people about many things. Then for offences and crimes they must be punished more severely because they have no extenuating circumstances. There are only three possibilities for them. Either they are shut in psychiatric hospitals or they are shut in prisons or they are executed. It is not because many parents are heterosexual that they are perfect. Many parents and heterosexuals want only to satisfy their vicious desires. Children are just the result of their vices. It is not that because something is necessary that it is perfect. Excrement is necessary and it is not perfect. Heterosexuals are like excrement. They are not perfect, they are disgusting and wicked. Heterosexuality is no longer necessary to have children. Artificial Insemination is replacing it. Some heterosexuals say that they have to fornicate to ensure the survival of humankind. Their argument does not convince at all. First we do not need so many children on this earth. On the contrary it will be better if they stop copulating and fornicating. There will be less vices and less problems caused by heterosexuals and overpopulation. If those heterosexuals stop copulating and do not have children we will not regret at all. We will rejoice because there will be less problems and more resources available for people existing on earth. It is better to have quality than quantity, that is, it is better to have fewer people who are better and having a better quality of life than having too many people who are bad and who degrade the quality of life. Secondly to have children, heterosexuals do not need to have so many copulations. They have thousands times more copulations than necessary. It is as if an employee is asking thousands times more money for the real value of a job or a seller is making people pay thousands times more than the real value of an article. If those heterosexuals stop copulating the world will be a better place. The world do not need those type of people. There are people more than necessary on this earth. There are also enough smart people on this earth. Many problems (crimes, vices, theft, exploitation, etc) caused by heterosexuals will disappear. So we say, let them stop copulating and having children. Heterosexuals are the greatest killers and the greatest perverts Heterosexuals are the greatest killers. Since the beginning of the world heterosexuals have killed as many as the increase in population at a particular period and sometimes much more. For example in 1970 there were 4 billions people. Now there are 6 billions people. In 30 years the population has increased by 2 billions. In the same period heterosexuals have killed approximately the same number of people. From 1970 to 1999 an average of 50 millions abortions were perpetrated each year by heterosexuals (Data from United Nations and World Health Organization). This means that in 30 yrs, 50×30=1500 millions abortions have been committed. Heterosexuals are guilty of 1.5 billions abortions in that period of time. Heterosexuals are guilty of this holocaust and genocide of children. Heterosexuals are worst than the Nazis. Heterosexuals committed about 150 crimes per year per million people. From 1970 to 1999 the average world population was 5 billions, that is 5000 millions people. Therefore each year heterosexuals committed 5000×150=750000 crimes. For 30 years they committed 30×750000=22,500,000 crimes. During that period heterosexuals killed also about 100 millions people in wars (soldiers and civil population). During that period heterosexuals also killed about 100 millions people by various diseases such as syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, AIDS, tuberculosis, leprosy, etc. In the world 85% of AIDS are caused and transmitted by heterosexuals. AIDS is a heterosexual disease. AIDS means heterosexuality. During that period heterosexuals have killed and maimed about 100 millions children through wars, molestation, child batterings, ill treatment, lack of care and abandonment. Heterosexuals had also killed and are still killing millions of children in the bellies of their mothers by their furious and savage copulations. During that period heterosexuals have killed about 1,825 millions people, that is, 1.825 billions (by abortions+crimes+wars+diseases+child batterings and lack of care,etc). Heterosexuals are therefore the greatest killers, the greatest murderers, the greatest perverts and the greatest monsters. Heterosexuals are the most dangerous people. Shame on heterosexuals. Heterosexuals say they give life to babies but they must remember that for every person alive, they have killed another person. They give life but at what cost. The cost is violence, crimes, vices, perversions, wars, agressions and sins. The price of their life giving is very high. They must also remember that most heterosexuals want only to satisfy their sexual and vicious

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YAWN  !!!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people. They have always molested, bullied and criticised others. When the others criticise them, they threaten them. They want to silence them. They do not accept criticism. They claim the right and the freedom to attack and criticise others but they refuse others this same right to criticise them. Heterosexual people terrorize others by violence and repression. They terrorize people also by passing discriminatory laws against others. This heterosexual terrorism and dictatorship have been legalised and institutionalized. There is something common in heterosexual people, terrorists and religious extremists and fanatics. Their psychologies are more or less the same. Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. They do not accept that people question and criticise them. They are tyrannical. They want to make people believe that heterosexuality cannot be questionned, analyzed, criticised and challenged. This shows that heterosexuals are totalitarian. Heterosexual people have oppressed others for centuries and if we suggest making them feel for only a week (or even a day) what they have done to others, they rant and threaten with violence. This confirms the terrorist nature and mentality of heterosexual people. They are the source of all evils in this world. The only solution is to remove them from the world. All hetero bandits, hetero pigs, hetero fornicators, hetero perverts, hetero fanatics and hetero murderers should be condemned to death. The world will be a better place without those hetero shit. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. The talibans who were dictatorial and who tortured women were also heterosexual. All those black dictators of african origin are heterosexual. Heterosexuals have always been on the offensive. They have always attacked others without good arguments. Their attacks are based on lies, violence, vulgarity and injustice. Gays and other groups of people have always been on the defensive. This is why heterosexuals have become arrogant and tyrannical. Gays and other groups of people should strike back more often. They should counter attack. They should be more on the offensive also. In fact it is heterosexuals who have not respected others. They have oppressed others. The others have the right to strike back. Heterosexuals have always acted like terrorists. This is Heterosexual Terrorism. They should be condemned. Four articles are reproduced below to show how heterosexuals are murderous, abnormal, perverted, sinful and dirty. Heterosexuals are beasts and filthy Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they have themselves many more faults, defects, vices and perversions. Heterosexuals are monsters. In 1999, in a few days heterosexuals committed many monstrous crimes. In Egypt a man stabbed the lover of his wife 300 times and then cut his head. In Israel a man set fire to the house of his wife, killing his wife and his children. In atlanta, USA a man killed his wife and children and then killed 9 other people. Heterosexuals are beasts. Heterosexuality is bestiality. Some time ago, in belgium, a pastor and his daughter with whom he had an incestuous relationship killed 10 people. 5 were members of their family. The two heterosexuals got rid of their victims by dissolving their bodies in acid. The heterosexual man was a pastor and a theology teacher. In Gloucester, Great Britain, frederick and rosemary West who were husband and wife, killed and buried 18 persons. Some were their children. In the eighties, a heterosexual man in california raped, tortured and killed more than 15 women. the man took sadistic pleasures in seeing the women suffered. One of his methods was to cut them with an electric saw. The man took pleasure in seeing the women shouting in terrible pain. Several years ago in South America (Colombia) a heterosexual man raped and killed more than 100 girls. In France the parents of a 5 year old boy martyrized the little boy for years. They beated him and imprisoned him in a little cage. They took pleasure in seeing the little boy suffered. A few years ago in France a Head of school killed the prostitute he was frequenting because the prostitute no longer wanted him. There are many other cases of heterosexual atrocities. Every week (sometimes every day) in the media of the world you can read and hear about heinous crimes committed by heterosexuals. Heterosexuals like to brag and threaten people about many things. Then for offences and crimes they must be punished more severely because they have no extenuating circumstances. There are only three possibilities for them. Either they are shut in psychiatric hospitals or they are shut in prisons or they are executed. It is not because many parents are heterosexual that they are perfect. Many parents and heterosexuals want only to satisfy their vicious desires. Children are just the result of their vices. It is not that because something is necessary that it is perfect. Excrement is necessary and it is not perfect. Heterosexuals are like excrement. They are not perfect, they are disgusting and wicked. Heterosexuality is no longer necessary to have children. Artificial Insemination is replacing it. Some heterosexuals say that they have to fornicate to ensure the survival of humankind. Their argument does not convince at all. First we do not need so many children on this earth. On the contrary it will be better if they stop copulating and fornicating. There will be less vices and less problems caused by heterosexuals and overpopulation. If those heterosexuals stop copulating and do not have children we will not regret at all. We will rejoice because there will be less problems and more resources available for people existing on earth. It is better to have quality than quantity, that is, it is better to have fewer people who are better and having a better quality of life than having too many people who are bad and who degrade the quality of life. Secondly to have children, heterosexuals do not need to have so many copulations. They have thousands times more copulations than necessary. It is as if an employee is asking thousands times more money for the real value of a job or a seller is making people pay thousands times more than the real value of an article. If those heterosexuals stop copulating the world will be a better place. The world do not need those type of people. There are people more than necessary on this earth. There are also enough smart people on this earth. Many problems (crimes, vices, theft, exploitation, etc) caused by heterosexuals will disappear. So we say, let them stop copulating and having children. Heterosexuals are the greatest killers and the greatest perverts Heterosexuals are the greatest killers. Since the beginning of the world heterosexuals have killed as many as the increase in population at a particular period and sometimes much more. For example in 1970 there were 4 billions people. Now there are 6 billions people. In 30 years the population has increased by 2 billions. In the same period heterosexuals have killed approximately the same number of people. From 1970 to 1999 an average of 50 millions abortions were perpetrated each year by heterosexuals (Data from United Nations and World Health Organization). This means that in 30 yrs, 50×30=1500 millions abortions have been committed. Heterosexuals are guilty of 1.5 billions abortions in that period of time. Heterosexuals are guilty of this holocaust and genocide of children. Heterosexuals are worst than the Nazis. Heterosexuals committed about 150 crimes per year per million people. From 1970 to 1999 the average world population was 5 billions, that is 5000 millions people. Therefore each year heterosexuals committed 5000×150=750000 crimes. For 30 years they committed 30×750000=22,500,000 crimes. During that period heterosexuals killed also about 100 millions people in wars (soldiers and civil population). During that period heterosexuals also killed about 100 millions people by various diseases such as syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, AIDS, tuberculosis, leprosy, etc. In the world 85% of AIDS are caused and transmitted by heterosexuals. AIDS is a heterosexual disease. AIDS means heterosexuality. During that period heterosexuals have killed and maimed about 100 millions children through wars, molestation, child batterings, ill treatment, lack of care and abandonment. Heterosexuals had also killed and are still killing millions of children in the bellies of their mothers by their furious and savage copulations. During that period heterosexuals have killed about 1,825 millions people, that is, 1.825 billions (by abortions+crimes+wars+diseases+child batterings and lack of care,etc). Heterosexuals are therefore the greatest killers, the greatest murderers, the greatest perverts and the greatest monsters. Heterosexuals are the most dangerous people. Shame on heterosexuals. Heterosexuals say they give life to babies but they must remember that for every person alive, they have killed another person. They give life but at what cost. The cost is violence, crimes, vices, perversions, wars, agressions and sins. The price of their life giving is very high. They must also remember that most heterosexuals want only to satisfy their sexual and vicious desires. Children are

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Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people. They have always molested, bullied and criticised others. When the others criticise them, they threaten them. They want to silence them. They do not accept criticism. They claim the right and the freedom to attack and criticise others but they refuse others this same right to criticise them. Heterosexual people terrorize others by violence and repression. They terrorize people also by passing discriminatory laws against others. This heterosexual terrorism and dictatorship have been legalised and institutionalized. There is something common in heterosexual people, terrorists and religious extremists and fanatics. Their psychologies are more or less the same. Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. They do not accept that people question and criticise them. They are tyrannical. They want to make people believe that heterosexuality cannot be questionned, analyzed, criticised and challenged. This shows that heterosexuals are totalitarian. Heterosexual people have oppressed others for centuries and if we suggest making them feel for only a week (or even a day) what they have done to others, they rant and threaten with violence. This confirms the terrorist nature and mentality of heterosexual people. They are the source of all evils in this world. The only solution is to remove them from the world. All hetero bandits, hetero pigs, hetero fornicators, hetero perverts, hetero fanatics and hetero murderers should be condemned to death. The world will be a better place without those hetero shit. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. The talibans who were dictatorial and who tortured women were also heterosexual. All those black dictators of african origin are heterosexual. Heterosexuals have always been on the offensive. They have always attacked others without good arguments. Their attacks are based on lies, violence, vulgarity and injustice. Gays and other groups of people have always been on the defensive. This is why heterosexuals have become arrogant and tyrannical. Gays and other groups of people should strike back more often. They should counter attack. They should be more on the offensive also. In fact it is heterosexuals who have not respected others. They have oppressed others. The others have the right to strike back. Heterosexuals have always acted like terrorists. This is Heterosexual Terrorism. They should be condemned. Four articles are reproduced below to show how heterosexuals are murderous, abnormal, perverted, sinful and dirty. Heterosexuals are beasts and filthy Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they have themselves many more faults, defects, vices and perversions. Heterosexuals are monsters. In 1999, in a few days heterosexuals committed many monstrous crimes. In Egypt a man stabbed the lover of his wife 300 times and then cut his head. In Israel a man set fire to the house of his wife, killing his wife and his children. In atlanta, USA a man killed his wife and children and then killed 9 other people. Heterosexuals are beasts. Heterosexuality is bestiality. Some time ago, in belgium, a pastor and his daughter with whom he had an incestuous relationship killed 10 people. 5 were members of their family. The two heterosexuals got rid of their victims by dissolving their bodies in acid. The heterosexual man was a pastor and a theology teacher. In Gloucester, Great Britain, frederick and rosemary West who were husband and wife, killed and buried 18 persons. Some were their children. In the eighties, a heterosexual man in california raped, tortured and killed more than 15 women. the man took sadistic pleasures in seeing the women suffered. One of his methods was to cut them with an electric saw. The man took pleasure in seeing the women shouting in terrible pain. Several years ago in South America (Colombia) a heterosexual man raped and killed more than 100 girls. In France the parents of a 5 year old boy martyrized the little boy for years. They beated him and imprisoned him in a little cage. They took pleasure in seeing the little boy suffered. A few years ago in France a Head of school killed the prostitute he was frequenting because the prostitute no longer wanted him. There are many other cases of heterosexual atrocities. Every week (sometimes every day) in the media of the world you can read and hear about heinous crimes committed by heterosexuals. Heterosexuals like to brag and threaten people about many things. Then for offences and crimes they must be punished more severely because they have no extenuating circumstances. There are only three possibilities for them. Either they are shut in psychiatric hospitals or they are shut in prisons or they are executed. It is not because many parents are heterosexual that they are perfect. Many parents and heterosexuals want only to satisfy their vicious desires. Children are just the result of their vices. It is not that because something is necessary that it is perfect. Excrement is necessary and it is not perfect. Heterosexuals are like excrement. They are not perfect, they are disgusting and wicked. Heterosexuality is no longer necessary to have children. Artificial Insemination is replacing it. Some heterosexuals say that they have to fornicate to ensure the survival of humankind. Their argument does not convince at all. First we do not need so many children on this earth. On the contrary it will be better if they stop copulating and fornicating. There will be less vices and less problems caused by heterosexuals and overpopulation. If those heterosexuals stop copulating and do not have children we will not regret at all. We will rejoice because there will be less problems and more resources available for people existing on earth. It is better to have quality than quantity, that is, it is better to have fewer people who are better and having a better quality of life than having too many people who are bad and who degrade the quality of life. Secondly to have children, heterosexuals do not need to have so many copulations. They have thousands times more copulations than necessary. It is as if an employee is asking thousands times more money for the real value of a job or a seller is making people pay thousands times more than the real value of an article. If those heterosexuals stop copulating the world will be a better place. The world do not need those type of people. There are people more than necessary on this earth. There are also enough smart people on this earth. Many problems (crimes, vices, theft, exploitation, etc) caused by heterosexuals will disappear. So we say, let them stop copulating and having children. Heterosexuals are the greatest killers and the greatest perverts Heterosexuals are the greatest killers. Since the beginning of the world heterosexuals have killed as many as the increase in population at a particular period and sometimes much more. For example in 1970 there were 4 billions people. Now there are 6 billions people. In 30 years the population has increased by 2 billions. In the same period heterosexuals have killed approximately the same number of people. From 1970 to 1999 an average of 50 millions abortions were perpetrated each year by heterosexuals (Data from United Nations and World Health Organization). This means that in 30 yrs, 50×30=1500 millions abortions have been committed. Heterosexuals are guilty of 1.5 billions abortions in that period of time. Heterosexuals are guilty of this holocaust and genocide of children. Heterosexuals are worst than the Nazis. Heterosexuals committed about 150 crimes per year per million people. From 1970 to 1999 the average world population was 5 billions, that is 5000 millions people. Therefore each year heterosexuals committed 5000×150=750000 crimes. For 30 years they committed 30×750000=22,500,000 crimes. During that period heterosexuals killed also about 100 millions people in wars (soldiers and civil population). During that period heterosexuals also killed about 100 millions people by various diseases such as syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, AIDS, tuberculosis, leprosy, etc. In the world 85% of AIDS are caused and transmitted by heterosexuals. AIDS is a heterosexual disease. AIDS means heterosexuality. During that period heterosexuals have killed and maimed about 100 millions children through wars, molestation, child batterings, ill treatment, lack of care and abandonment. Heterosexuals had also killed and are still killing millions of children in the bellies of their mothers by their furious and savage copulations. During that period heterosexuals have killed about 1,825 millions people, that is, 1.825 billions (by abortions+crimes+wars+diseases+child batterings and lack of care,etc). Heterosexuals are therefore the greatest killers, the greatest murderers, the greatest perverts and the greatest monsters. Heterosexuals are the most dangerous people. Shame on heterosexuals. Heterosexuals say they give life to babies but they must remember that for every person alive, they have killed another person. They give life but at what cost. The cost is violence, crimes, vices, perversions, wars, agressions and sins. The price of their life giving is very high. They must also remember that most heterosexuals want only to satisfy their sexual and vicious desires. Children are just the consequences. Heterosexuals have nothing to be proud about having children. On the contrary they should be ashamed of themselves for all the negative and catastrophic effects of their selfish and vicious copulations and fornications. Heterosexuals commit crimes against children and … read more »

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Actually, there is no such word as "Heterophobe" in our dictionaries, yet "Homophobe" exists.  This shows quite the opposite to be true.   As no one has yet to fear a Heterosexual, the word has never been used in society.   You seem to be the first Heterophobe, now we need to put the word in the dictionary. There are many heterophobes. They have not expressed themselves in the past. Yes the word has to be put in the dictionary. Heterophobia also has to be put in the dictionary.

The fact that it is not in the dictionary tells allot about our society and biases.    We need a word to call people who are not politically correct!    But we don’t need any word for the other side as they never do any name calling anyway! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They have always molested, GAY priests molest little boys.   There are no mentions or accusations of any HETERO Priests molesting any little girls, are there?  Not one single case that I have ever heard, yet every night, a story about a HOMO priest molesting little boys. Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. It is the HOMOsexual people that become priests and molest little boys. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. It is the HOMOsexual priests that are molesting little boys. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. You mean HOMOsexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. All priests are homosexual. You should say all saints are homosexual and all devils are heterosexual.

There are no saints or devils, but priests exist. Homosexuality is a birth defect.   The only reason for the instinct and drive for sex is for any species to create offspring. Then contraceptives are against nature. They prevent reproduction.

This is true.   ( Note: not that they are wrong, but yes, work against nature, just as not eating when the instinctual drive of hunger to make one eat is ignored or a diet pill is used to go against nature for the desire to lose weight.   Not wrong, just against nature.) They go against procreation. As it is heterosexuals who use contraceptives, it is heterosexual who go against nature. Heterosexuals are falsifying nature. Heterosexuality is bestiality.

If homosexuals would use condoms they would not be getting aids.    Note also, how you never hear about any heterosexuals getting aids (unless from needles or blood transfusions) but only homosexuals. More prominent in the news is when someone famous gets aids.   Not one single famous heterosexual person ever gets aids from sex, but they are always homosexual actors and sports stars. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  A sexual drive an attraction towards the same sex has no purpose and does not lead to creating offspring. It is just a birth defect, just like being born without any arms or legs, and the percentage of homosexuals equals the percentage of people with other birth defects. If Homosexuality was anything other than a birth defect, (like a choice or preference) than there would be 50% of the population as Homosexuals. The small minority of Homosexuals, or people with other birth defects, is just the unfortunate reality of nature. According to you all geniuses are birth defect.

Not at all.   In order to be a genius, you have a brain without any birth defects.   It is the retarded people who have the birth defects and can not use their brains to become a genius. According to me?  LOL!   According to YOU! You are talking about choice. For many things that people choose there are not 50%  of people adopting that choice. There is not 50 % of people playing the guitar.  There is not 50% of people playing tennis. There is not 50% of people becoming pilots, accountants or engineers, etc.

because these are offshoots.  guitar is part of the larger group of instruments, music from the larger group of hobbies which would include tennis.   There are also many many professions one can take, so it would be impossible to have a 50/50 split.  That would require that there were only two professions to chose from! There are only two kinds of people….   Homosexual, or Heterosexual.    Just as we have an approximate 50/50 split of men and women, we would see the same thing with Homosexuals if it was not a birth defect, but a necessary part of nature.     It more resembles the percentage of those born with birth defects, because that is what it is. This is not an attack on homosexuals, just as stating that "people born without arms and legs have a birth defect" is not BASHING or ATTACKING the physically handicapped!   It is just stating a fact.   Nothing more. There are many heterophobes in the world. They have been prevented to express their feelings. Their number is rising and the word exists already in common language. Soon it will appear in dictionaries, if it has not already appeared.

It took a long time before the word "asshole" was allowed in the dictionary, so don’t expect "heterophobe" to get in there any faster. There are actually some dictionaries that STILL do not include words like asshole or fuck when they are so widely used in the English language.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A U.S. Federal Court has just ruled that the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of words "under God," in a case brought to court by an atheist father. Rather than simply removing the words "under God" — which were only added *Years* after the pledge was written — we may expect to see religionist lying & misrepresenting the issue as one of patriotism. "Lying for the sake of God." At issue will be the pledge itself  and not the two words, added later to the pledge, which were the focus of this case. They’ll claim patriotism (and invoking 9/11) and pretend they care for our nation. In truth though, what they do care about is the two simple words, "under God," as their actions will soon prove. Show your pride in America. Place patriotism above your personal religious squabbles. Dump the two words "under God." Failing that, at least pretend to have respect for your God by not lying and claiming this is about the pledge itself. Not holding my breath….

I don’t see any need to brace myself. The words *Under God* were not in the original pledge, and have come and gone from the pledge over the life of our nation. However, given the current situation, God is considered appropriate in the pledge. It is not ‘disrespectful’ to acknowledge that there are powers bigger than ourselves.   Paula —

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A U.S. Federal Court has just ruled that the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of words "under God," in a case brought to court by an atheist father. Rather than simply removing the words "under God" — which were only added *Years* after the pledge was written — we may expect to see religionist lying & misrepresenting the issue as one of patriotism. "Lying for the sake of God." At issue will be the pledge itself  and not the two words, added later to the pledge, which were the focus of this case. They’ll claim patriotism (and invoking 9/11) and pretend they care for our nation. In truth though, what they do care about is the two simple words, "under God," as their actions will soon prove. Show your pride in America. Place patriotism above your personal religious squabbles. Dump the two words "under God." Failing that, at least pretend to have respect for your God by not lying and claiming this is about the pledge itself. Not holding my breath….

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just because a molestation was "same-sex" doesn’t mean the perpetrator was a homosexual. total fallacy.

BWAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Why else do it?   Can YOU get aroused or have a desire to do sexual acts with the sex you are not attracted to?     BWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA   HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HHAAAAAAAAAAAAA! TROLL ALERT!

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just because a molestation was "same-sex" doesn’t mean the perpetrator was a homosexual. total fallacy.

LOL! Gee, why not just come out and say, "We homosexuals get to define what ‘homosexual’ means, any way we want to, and we get to change that definition when the definition which we had been using all along starts to make us homosexuals LOOK bad!" ? Wouldn’t that be a lot easier for you and your Lavender buddies, Mark?

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Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people. They have always molested, bullied and criticised others. When the others criticise them, they threaten them. They want to silence them. They do not accept  criticism. They claim the right and the freedom to attack and criticise others but they refuse others this same right to criticise them.

Thankfully, the "gay" homosexuals have never molested, bullied, or criticised others, eh Maria? Sure, those "gays" have sexually molested a lot of children (as we have all heard about in the news lately – sadly those "gays" had somehow made their way into the priesthood), and yes, those "gays" have thrown condoms at worshippers inside St. Patrick’s Cathedral as they marched past in their annual "Gay Pride" parade in New York City, and perhaps those "gays" have even gone so far as to say negative things about both the Boy Scouts of America and the teachings of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam (all of which condemn homosexual behavior), but have those "gays" molested, bullied, or criticized others?  No, of course not.

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Translation…  "Hi I’m a troll with nothing better to do so I will start a flame war"… XXXXXXXXXXX You loose thanks for playing

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people. They have always molested, bullied and criticised others. When the others criticise them, they threaten them. They want to silence them. They do not accept  criticism. They claim the right and the freedom to attack and criticise others but they refuse others this same right to criticise them. Heterosexual people terrorize others by violence and repression. They terrorize people also by passing discriminatory laws against others. This heterosexual terrorism and dictatorship have been legalised and institutionalized. There is something common in heterosexual people, terrorists and religious extremists and fanatics. Their psychologies are more or less the same. Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. They do not accept that people question and criticise them. They are tyrannical.  They want to make people believe that heterosexuality cannot be questionned, analyzed, criticised and challenged. This shows that heterosexuals are totalitarian. Heterosexual people have oppressed others for centuries and if we suggest making them feel for only a week (or even a day) what they have done to others, they rant and threaten with violence. This confirms the terrorist nature of heterosexual people. They are the source of all evils in this world. The only solution is to remove them from the world. All hetero bandits, hetero pigs, hetero fornicators, hetero perverts, hetero fanatics and hetero murderers should be condemned to death. The world will be a better place without those hetero shit. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. The talebans who were dictatorial and who tortured women were also heterosexual. Heterosexuals have always been on the offensive. They have always attacked others without good arguments. Their attacks are based on lies, violence, vulgarity and injustice. Gays and other groups of people have always been on the defensive. This is why heterosexuals have become arrogant and tyrannical. Gays and other groups of people should strike back more often. They should counter attack They should be more on the offensive also. In fact it is heterosexuals who have not respected others. They have oppressed others. The others have the right to strike back. Heterosexuals have always acted like terrorists. This is Heterosexual Terrorism. They should be condemned. Four articles are reproduced below to show how heterosexuals are murderous, abnormal, perverted, sinful and dirty. Heterosexuals are  beasts and filthy Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they  have themselves many more faults, defects, vices and perversions. Heterosexuals are monsters. In 1999, in a few days heterosexuals committed many monstrous crimes. In Egypt a man stabbed the lover of his wife 300 times and then cut his head. In Israel a man set fire to the house of his wife, killing his wife and his children. In atlanta, USA a man killed his wife and children and then killed 9 other people. Heterosexuals are beasts. Heterosexuality is bestiality.    Some time ago, in belgium, a  pastor and his daughter  with whom he had an incestuous relationship killed 10 people. 5 were members of their family. The two heterosexuals got rid of their victims by dissolving their bodies in acid. The heterosexual man was a pastor and a theology teacher.    In Gloucester, Great Britain, frederick and rosemary West who were husband and wife, killed and buried 18 persons. Some were their children.    In the eighties, a heterosexual man in california raped, tortured and killed more than 15 women. the man took sadistic pleasures in seeing the women suffered. One of his methods was to cut them with an electric saw. The man took pleasure in seeing the women shouting in terrible pain.    Several years ago in South America (Colombia) a heterosexual man raped and killed more than 100 girls.    In France the parents of a 5 year old boy martyrized the little boy for years. They beated him and imprisoned him in a little cage. They took pleasure in seeing the little boy suffered.     A few years ago in France a Head of school killed the prostitute he was frequenting because the prostitute no longer wanted him.    There are many other cases of heterosexual atrocities. Every week (sometimes every day) in the media of the world you can read and hear about heinous crimes committed by heterosexuals.   Heterosexuals like to brag and threaten people about many things. Then for offences and crimes they must be punished more severely because they have no extenuating circumstances. There are only three possibilities for them. Either  they are shut in psychiatric hospitals or they are shut in prisons or they are executed. It is not because many parents are heterosexual that they are perfect. Many parents and heterosexuals want only to satisfy their vicious desires. Children  are just the result of their vices. It is not that because something is necessary that it is perfect. Excrement is necessary and it is not perfect. Heterosexuals are like excrement. They are not perfect, they are disgusting and wicked. Heterosexuality is no longer necessary  to have children. Artificial Insemination is replacing it. Some heterosexuals say that they have to fornicate  to ensure the survival of humankind. Their argument does not convince at all. First we do not need so many children on this earth. On the contrary it will be better if they stop copulating and fornicating. There will be less vices and less problems caused by heterosexuals and overpopulation. If those heterosexuals stop copulating and do not have children we will not regret at all. We will rejoice because there will be less problems and more resources available for people existing on earth. It is better to have quality than quantity. Secondly to have children, heterosexuals do not need to have so many copulations. They have thousands times more copulations than necessary. It is as if an employee is asking thousands times more money for the real value of a job or a seller is making people pay thousands times more than the real value of an article. If those heterosexuals stop copulating the world will be a better place. The world do not need those type of people. There are people more than necessary on this earth. There are also enough smart people on this earth. Many problems (crimes, vices, theft, exploitation, etc) caused by heterosexuals will disappear. So we say, let them stop copulating and having children. Heterosexuals are the greatest killers and the greatest perverts Heterosexuals are the greatest killers. Since the beginning of the world heterosexuals have killed as many as the increase in population at a particular period and sometimes much more. For example in 1970 there were 4 billions people. Now there are 6 billions people. In 30 years the population has increased by 2 billions. In the same period heterosexuals have killed approximately the same number of people. From 1970 to 1999 an average of 50 millions abortions were perpetrated each year by heterosexuals (Data from United Nations and World Health Organization). This means that in 30 yrs, 50×30=1500 millions abortions have been committed. Heterosexuals are guilty of 1.5 billions abortions in that period of time. Heterosexuals are guilty of this holocaust and genocide of children. Heterosexuals are worst than the Nazis. Heterosexuals committed about 150 crimes per year per million people. From 1970 to 1999 the average world population was 5 billions, that is 5000 millions people. Therefore each year heterosexuals committed 5000×150=750000 crimes. For 30 years they committed 30×750000=22,500,000 crimes. During that period heterosexuals killed also about 100 millions people in wars (soldiers and civil population). During that period heterosexuals also killed about 100 millions people by various diseases such as syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, AIDS, tuberculosis, leprosy, etc. In the world 85% of AIDS are caused and transmitted by heterosexuals. AIDS is a heterosexual disease. AIDS means heterosexuality. During that period heterosexuals have killed and maimed about 100 millions children through wars, molestation, child batterings, ill treatment, lack of care and abandonment. Heterosexuals had also killed and are still killing millions of children in the bellies of their mothers by their furious and savage copulations. During that period heterosexuals have killed about 1,825 millions people, that is, 1.825 billions (by abortions+crimes+wars+diseases+child batterings and lack of care,etc). Heterosexuals are therefore the greatest killers, the greatest murderers, the greatest perverts and the greatest monsters. Heterosexuals are the most dangerous people. Shame on heterosexuals. Heterosexuals say they give life to babies but they must remember that for every person alive, they have killed another person. They give life but at what cost. The cost is violence, crimes, vices, perversions, wars, agressions and sins. The price of their life giving is very high. They must also remember that most heterosexuals want only to satisfy

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Actually, there is no such word as "Heterophobe" in our dictionaries, yet "Homophobe" exists.  This shows quite the opposite to be true. Actually, what it shows is that morons like you will chew on any troll bait handed to them.

Thanks for admitting the troll part.   Now the discussion can be closed.

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Actually, there is no such word as "Heterophobe" in our dictionaries, yet "Homophobe" exists.  This shows quite the opposite to be true. Actually, what it shows is that morons like you will chew on any troll bait handed to them.

No, it shows that "Sir" raised an excellent point, and that you were unable to adequately rebut the point he raised, JTEM.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, keep in mind that homosexuals sexually molest children at FAR higher per-capita rates than do normal, heterosexual people.  The fact that human society has so few homosexuals is the ONLY reason why the problem of HOMOSEXUALS sexually molesting young children isn’t more horrific than it is. That is a very interesting point!   Imagine if 50% of the population were homosexual how many MORE cases there would be of young boys being molested and how many MORE priests there would be. ("shudder")  Scary thought indeed. Yes, as another poster has already pointed out, homosexuals constitute something like "3-5%" (other studies indicate more on the order of only 1%, but 3 to 5% was the figure that poster used) of society, yet something on the order of 20% of all child molestations are same-sex molestations. Thus we see that the per-capita sexual molestation of children is FAR higher with homosexual people compared to normal, heterosexual people.

That would only seem logical as the reason many molest children is that they find it hard to find a willing partner their own age.   More homosexuals are going to find it harder to find someone their age willing to engage in homosexual sex as there are so few homosexuals, so molesting children becomes more of an option for them than for heterosexuals.    Easy for them to convince a small boy to do suck on their cock, or let them place their cock in the child’s asshole as the poor little boys don’t know any better and are afraid of what the adult will do if they do not obey someone like a priest.   They think they will go to hell if they don’t suck on the priest’s cock and swallow his cum.

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GAY priests molest little boys.   There are no mentions or accusations of any HETERO Priests molesting any little girls, are there? all the time, actually. the churches pay good hush money for this,

Why are they not paying good hush money for the daily newscasts about boys being molested, and just for the girls?   If anything, it would be the other way around.    You are funny! Not one single case that I have ever heard, clearly you just stick your head in the sand and don’t pay attention;

I watch the news everynight.  Every night I hear about yet another priest molesting little boys, and no night have I ever heard of one molesting little girls.   I don’t stick my head in the sand, this is reality and anyone watching the news reports everyday can confirm this. there were several cases just recently, which took me all of 10 seconds to find on the ‘net. i’ll bet i could find more if i actually looked hard:

I bet you would have to look hard too!   No argument there at all.   The fact that you don’t have to look very hard to find much many more cases of little boys, instead of the one or two you may find after hours of searching should tell you something, but it doesn’t.    To think that the only reason you hear about molesting boys is because they pay the reporters to not talk about the girls is ridiculous and makes anything else you say from now on lose credibility as well.   With all the money the church has, more than any other organization in the world, they could surely pay to hush up the boys too.   You make it sound as they WANT molesting of boys to be known as they don’t spend the hush money on that.   FOOL. so now you can’t say you haven’t heard about the priests raping girls, too, ok?

That’s like showing me a few examples of where one or two politicians actually lowered our taxes.   I’m sure if you dig deep enough you will find such a story, but you don’t have to dig at all to name the THOUSANDS of politicians who have raised our taxes without even trying.    The fact is that most politicians raise taxes, and most priests molest little boys.   The fact that not one single night has gone by without me hearing about it on the news for the past several months seems to agree with me, not you.   Not ONCE have I seen the news report of a priest molesting little girls, it is always little boys.    You digging up the rare instance of a priest not being gay means nothing.   It is RARE. Remember, for everything YOU say about some group (Policemen protect people and society)  I can show you some new stories of cops stealing, robbing and killing too!   That means nothing.   Let’s only talk about the 99% part, not the 1% part.  OK? yet every night, a story about a HOMO priest molesting little boys. not really… how do you even know their sexual orientations?

Are you really this stupid?   Think about it for a while and answer your own question!  DOH! Homosexuality is a birth defect.   The only reason for the instinct and drive for sex is for any species to create offspring. sex is also fun. it expresses love and tenderness. it provides physical release. lots of other things.

Eating can be fun to.  We are talking about the PURPOSE of it, not what you can do with it!   Sex is also NOT fun when it is used in rape, so stop with your bullshit talk to escape having to admit you are wrong. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A sexual drive an attraction towards the same sex has no purpose and does not lead to creating offspring. It is just a birth defect, just like being born without any arms or legs, and the percentage of homosexuals equals the percentage of people with other birth defects. If Homosexuality was anything other than a birth defect, (like a choice or preference) than there would be 50% of the population as Homosexuals. why would you expect 50% of people to express that particular choice, even if it were one? The small minority of Homosexuals, or people with other birth defects, is just the unfortunate reality of nature. it’s just a natural variation; nothing defective about it.

The need for a sexual desire towards the same sex serves no purpose.   Why must sperm be deposited into someone’s asshole?   If you are one of those idiots who says it has a purpose to curb down population, I remind you that then one would be born without any sexual desire, so that NO sperm was ejaculated, rather than to give a homosexual desire which really serves no purpose at all. Instincts, drives, fears, and urges all serve a purpose. like being left handed.

That is not a birth defect, as the person could have been right handed if his parents taught him properly instead of making his life difficult by not doing so. at least you understand that people are most likely born that way to a large degree.

What kind of lunatic are you?     No one is born left or right handed.    You are screwy and a troll.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, keep in mind that homosexuals sexually molest children at FAR higher per-capita rates than do normal, heterosexual people.  The fact that human society has so few homosexuals is the ONLY reason why the problem of HOMOSEXUALS sexually molesting young children isn’t more horrific than it is. That is a very interesting point!   Imagine if 50% of the population were homosexual how many MORE cases there would be of young boys being molested and how many MORE priests there would be. ("shudder")  Scary thought indeed. Yes, as another poster has already pointed out, homosexuals constitute something like "3-5%" (other studies indicate more on the order of only 1%, but 3 to 5% was the figure that poster used) of society, yet something on the order of 20% of all child molestations are same-sex molestations.

just because a molestation was "same-sex" doesn’t mean the perpetrator was a homosexual. total fallacy. Thus we see that the per-capita sexual molestation of children is FAR higher with homosexual people compared to normal, heterosexual people.

except, not.

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Also, keep in mind that homosexuals sexually molest children at FAR higher per-capita rates than do normal, heterosexual people.  The fact that human society has so few homosexuals is the ONLY reason why the problem of HOMOSEXUALS sexually molesting young children isn’t more horrific than it is. That is a very interesting point!   Imagine if 50% of the population were homosexual how many MORE cases there would be of young boys being molested and how many MORE priests there would be. ("shudder")  Scary thought indeed.

Yes, as another poster has already pointed out, homosexuals constitute something like "3-5%" (other studies indicate more on the order of only 1%, but 3 to 5% was the figure that poster used) of society, yet something on the order of 20% of all child molestations are same-sex molestations. Thus we see that the per-capita sexual molestation of children is FAR higher with homosexual people compared to normal, heterosexual people.

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Also, keep in mind that homosexuals sexually molest children at FAR higher per-capita rates than do normal, heterosexual people.  The fact that human society has so few homosexuals is the ONLY reason why the problem of HOMOSEXUALS sexually molesting young children isn’t more horrific than it is.

That is a very interesting point!   Imagine if 50% of the population were homosexual how many MORE cases there would be of young boys being molested and how many MORE priests there would be. ("shudder")  Scary thought indeed.

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Actually, there is no such word as "Heterophobe" in our dictionaries, yet "Homophobe" exists.  This shows quite the opposite to be true.

Actually, what it shows is that morons like you will chew on any troll bait handed to them.

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GAY priests molest little boys.   There are no mentions or accusations of any HETERO Priests molesting any little girls, are there?

all the time, actually. the churches pay good hush money for this, though. particularly when there’s a pregnancy. Not one single case that I have ever heard,

clearly you just stick your head in the sand and don’t pay attention; there were several cases just recently, which took me all of 10 seconds to find on the ‘net. i’ll bet i could find more if i actually looked hard: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/21/national/main504314.shtml HEADLINE: Cardinal removes pastor who admitted to relationships with young girls BYLINE: By DERRILL HOLLY, Associated Press Writer DATELINE: WASHINGTON BODY: A prominent Roman Catholic priest has been suspended after admitting he might have "crossed over a line" with at least one teen-age girl. Monsignor Russell Dillard was put on administrative leave after two women contended in a complaint to the Washington Archdiocese that he had engaged in sexual misconduct with them over a five-year period ending in 1984. "He admitted that there was a physical relationship; he doesn’t characterize it as sexual abuse," Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick said in an interview Thursday. Dillard, 54, has spent his entire career as a priest in Washington. The conduct in question occurred while he was associate pastor of Saint Anthony’s Catholic Church in Northeast Washington. Since 1990 he has served as pastor of Saint Augustine Church, a parish attended by Mayor Anthony A. Williams, who has consulted Dillard on social and religious issues affecting the city. "My heart and my prayers go out to the people who have come forward," said McCarrick. "I can think of almost nothing more painful than to learn a priest may have violated the trust placed in him in this way." The Plain Dealer March 29, 2002 Friday, Final / All SECTION: NATIONAL; Pg. A1 LENGTH: 543 words HEADLINE: Repentance and forgiveness; Victim of rape by priest takes part in Holy Thursday ceremony BYLINE: David Briggs, Plain Dealer Reporter BODY: Leading a diocese in agony over sexual abuse, Cleveland Catholic Bishop Anthony Pilla turned to an ancient rite of repentance on Holy Thursday to seek forgiveness from a priest’s rape victim. Re-enacting Christ’s act of humility before the apostles, Pilla washed the feet of a young woman who was molested as a child by the Rev. Martin Louis. -snip- http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2001/10/28/ke102801s94775.htm HEADLINE: Evangelist convicted of sex charges DATELINE: MADISONVILLE, Ky. BODY: A television evangelist was convicted in Hopkins County of rape and other sex charges involving a church member. The Rev. Johnny Price was found guilty Friday of two counts of first-degree rape, one count each of first-degree sodomy and first-degree attempted rape and five counts of first-degree sexual abuse. In an indictment returned by a Hopkins County grand jury last year, the woman, now 32, alleged Price had sexual intercourse with her at least 10 times before she turned 18 in 1987. A Hopkins Circuit Court jury recommended a 69-year sentence for Price, 47, a former associate pastor of Madisonville’s Life Anew Ministries. He is still broadcast on cable television in Madisonville. The jury heard five days of testimony and spent about 90 minutes deliberating the verdict and almost two hours to decide on a sentence. Eight other counts were dismissed for lack of evidence. Price will be sentenced Dec. 3. -snip- Price, of Charleston, Tenn., served as a pastor of Life Christian Center in Madisonville from 1982 until the late 1990s. and if we include adult women there are plenty more. like this article from, oh, *today*: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/26/nyregion/26RAPE.html Priest Charged in Rape Case Faced Accusations in Texas -snip- According to Brooklyn prosecutors, Father Udegbulem raped a parishioner in her 30’s in the rectory of Our Lady of Charity Church in Bedford-Stuyvesant on New Years Day in 2000. -snip or how about all the bishops who have resigned over this kind of thing: (the following is shamelessly cut-and-paste from an article posted elsewhere on usenet, which i saved:) Since Annie Laurie Gaylor published her "Betrayal of Trust: Clergy Abuse of Children" in 1988 there have been eighteen Catholic bishops who have resigned over sexual scandals, nine of them in the United States. Seven of the resignations have been in 2002. To date they are (info excerpted from www.ffrf.org): Archbishop Eugene Marino, Atlanta. He was involved in scandal involving a young woman, who said the "relationship" began by rape. (Resigned 1990) Bishop Hubert O’Connor (Canada). He was accused and later convicted of molesting teens at boarding schools. (Resigned 1992) Bishop Eamonn Casey (Ireland). He fathered a child and used church funds to pay off the mother. (Resigned 1992) Bishop Joseph Ferrario, Honolulu. Molestation charges, which he denied, were made against him. (Retired 1993) Archbishop Roberto Sanchez, Santa Fe. He admitted to "relationships" with 3 teenage girls; others alleged abuse. (Resigned 1993) Bishop Ronald Mulkearns, Bullarat, Australia. He retired amid accusations he failed to protect altar boys from a pederast priest, who pleaded guilty to 46 offenses against 20 boys and one girl. (Resigned June 1997) Archbishop Alphonsus Liguori Penney, Newfoundland. Knew about sexual and physical abuse of boys at Mt. Cashel orphanage for 10 years but did nothing (20 priests and layworkers were arrested and convicted). (Resigned 1990) Cardinal Hans Hermann Groer, Archbishop of Vienna. Fellow bishops substantiated molestation charges. (Resigned 1998) Bishop Joseph Keith Symons, Palm Springs, FL. He sexually abused 5 teenage boys while a parish priest. (Resigned 1998) Bishop G. Patrick Ziemann, Santa Rosa, CA. He admitted to a sexual relationship with a priest who said Ziemann extorted sexual favors. (Resigned July 1999) Archbishop John Aloysius Ward, Cardiff, Wales, for ordaining a man accused of assaulting a boy, among other accusations he denied. (Resigned October 2001) Bishop Anthony J. O’Connell, Palm Beach, Fla. He admitted to making a secret settlement with a minor whom he abused in Missouri. The victim had sought counseling from O’Connell after being molested by 2 other priests. (Resigned March 8, 2002) Archbishop Juliusz Paetz (Poland). Accused of molesting seminarians, he averred, "Not everyone understood my genuine openness and spontaneity toward people." (Resigned March 28, 2002) Bishop Brendan Comiskey, Diocese of Ferns, Ireland. He quit after a BBC documentary aired in March showing his role in covering up for pedophile priest Rev. Sean Fortune. (Resigned April 1, 2002) Franziskus Eisenbach, Diocese of Mainz, Germany. Although denying charges, he was accused by a woman of sexual abuse and injuring her during an exorcism. (Resigned mid-April 2002) Archbishop Rembert Weakland, Archdiocese of Milwaukee, requested an "expedited" acceptance of his retirement, after he was publicly exposed for paying $450,000 of archdiocese funds as hush money in 1998 to a man who accused him of a 1979 "date rape." (Resigned May 24, 2002) Bishop J. Kendrick Williams, Lexington, KY, resigned after being named in civil lawsuits by three plaintiffs alleging sexual abuse, including a former altar boy, then age 12. (Resigned June 11, 2002) Auxiliary Bishop James McCarthy, Archdiocese of New York, stepped down after admitting to several affairs with adult women. (Resigned June 11, 2002) The count is currently: US: 9 Canada: 2 Ireland: 2 Australia: 1 Austria: 1 Germany: 1 Poland: 1 UK: 1 On the gender front the resignations involved: Improper relationships with women/girls: 5 Improper relationships with men/boys: 8 Unspecified: 5 This disproves the oft-stated belief that it is only those who seek out homosexual affairs are the problem. so now you can’t say you haven’t heard about the priests raping girls, too, ok? yet every night, a story about a HOMO priest molesting little boys.

not really… how do you even know their sexual orientations? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. It is the HOMOsexual people that become priests and molest little boys. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. It is the HOMOsexual priests that are molesting little boys. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. You mean HOMOsexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. All priests are homosexual. Homosexuality is a birth defect.   The only reason for the instinct and drive for sex is for any species to create offspring.

sex is also fun. it expresses love and tenderness. it provides physical release. lots of other things. A sexual drive an attraction towards the same sex has no purpose and does not lead to creating offspring. It is just a birth defect, just like being born without any arms or legs, and the percentage of homosexuals equals the percentage of people with other birth defects.

how would that support your argument? If Homosexuality was anything other than a birth defect, (like a choice or preference) than there would be 50% of the population as Homosexuals.

why would you expect 50% of people to express that particular choice, even if it were one? really, it’s pretty clear that thinking is not your strong suit. The small minority of Homosexuals, or people with other birth defects, is just the unfortunate reality of nature.

it’s just a natural variation; nothing defective about it. like being left handed. at least you … read more »

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :: Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and ::agressed :: people. And, did you ‘grow up in a different’ jungle than the rest of us??? Troll…troll… troll.. Actually, there is no such word as "Heterophobe" in our dictionaries, yet "Homophobe" exists.  This shows quite the opposite to be true.   As no one has yet to fear a Heterosexual, the word has never been used in society.   You seem to be the first Heterophobe, now we need to put the word in the dictionary. ahhh.. good point. :: They have always molested, ????? GAY priests molest little boys.   There are no mentions or accusations of any HETERO Priests molesting any little girls, are there? yes, there is, but, they don’t get the ‘press’.

Oh come on!   No one censors any story relating to injury of a child!   A school bus turing over in some small town makes worldwide headlines!    If any one was accusing any priest of molesting any girls, it would made headlines if only because it has never happened before! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Not one single case that I have ever heard, yet every night, a story about a HOMO priest molesting little boys. :: Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. It is the HOMOsexual people that become priests and molest little boys. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. It is the HOMOsexual priests that are molesting little boys. :: They just use children as an arm and a shield to :: justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. You mean HOMOsexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. All priests are homosexual. Both the above are false.

Sorry, I meant  All priests are homosexual pedophiles.    You don’t have to get so technical, you know what I meant! Homosexuality is a birth defect.   The only reason for the instinct and drive for sex is for any species to create offspring.   A sexual drive an attraction towards the same sex has no purpose and does not lead to creating offspring. It is just a birth defect, just like being born without any arms or legs, and the percentage of homosexuals equals the percentage of people with other birth defects. If Homosexuality was anything other than a birth defect, (like a choice or preference) than there would be 50% of the population as Homosexuals.   The small minority of Homosexuals, or people with other birth defects, is just the unfortunate reality of nature. Oh.. boy.. the word ‘defect’ is going to cause problems.

How sad is it that stating a fact causes problems because people don’t like certain words or don’t like what the truth means? You can state a fact, like that there are more minorities in prisons than white people.    Without even giving your race, you will many times be called a racist for stating that fact!      If a minority person makes the statement, then it is ok, and he is not a racist.      A white person has the choice of stating a lie, "more white people are in prison that minorities"  and receive no attack, or state the truth and be called names.    Thus after a while, no one would ever make the claim that Homosexuality is a birth defect….  unless one was a homosexual and knew he/she could get away with making such a statement.    Sad. This is why you see so many (actual just about ALL) black comedians on TV making fun about white people, but never white comedians making fun about black people. Because the response of the audience allows one and not the other.   SAD SAD SAD. Listening to old time radio programs and old television shows, I hear how it was acceptable to bash the "Japs" during that war, and how people shudder in horror as it is not something people would say today, as that would be "racist"  yet today talk about "nuking those towlheads"  or "wipe those Iraqis off the face of the earth" and get a favorable response from co-workers and friends! Interesting how racism is ok when the majority of a society has no problem with it, yet not ok when it is NOT politically correct. Making the factual statement that "Homosexuality is a birth defect."  would not have brought on any problems a few decades ago, and may not a few decades from now when the scientific journals are published, but at this decade it brings on problems only because of the decade it is said in!   SAD!

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It is heterosexual fathers and adults that molest little girls and their daughters. Every day we hear about fathers raping their daughters and committing incests. Incest happen in heterosexual families. Incest is a characteristic of heterosexuality.

Perhaps, but how does that solve the problem of HOMOSEXUALS sexually molesting young boys??? Also, keep in mind that homosexuals sexually molest children at FAR higher per-capita rates than do normal, heterosexual people.  The fact that human society has so few homosexuals is the ONLY reason why the problem of HOMOSEXUALS sexually molesting young children isn’t more horrific than it is, Maria.

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In a long span of time there are only a few boys that have been really abused by gay priests.

And your evidence in support of that assertion is what? Also it has to be determined whether those boys were consentant or not. The homophobes bring up cases that happened during the last 30 years or more.

The "homophobes" brought it up? Now THAT’S rich, especially since it was none other than the New York Times, ABC, CBS, NBC, and all the other "gay"-FRIENDLY "news" outlets which have been beating the drums for the past year concerning those homosexual priests sexually molesting MALE children!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people. They have always molested, bullied and criticised others. When the others criticise them, they threaten them. They want to silence them. They do not accept  criticism. They claim the right and the freedom to attack and criticise others but they refuse others this same right to criticise them. Heterosexual people terrorize others by violence and repression. They terrorize people also by passing discriminatory laws against others. This heterosexual terrorism and dictatorship have been legalised and institutionalized. There is something common in heterosexual people, terrorists and religious extremists and fanatics. Their psychologies are more or less the same. Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. They do not accept that people question and criticise them. They are tyrannical.  They want to make people believe that heterosexuality cannot be questionned, analyzed, criticised and challenged. This shows that heterosexuals are totalitarian. Heterosexual people have oppressed others for centuries and if we suggest making them feel for only a week (or even a day) what they have done to others, they rant and threaten with violence. This confirms the terrorist nature of heterosexual people. They are the source of all evils in this world. The only solution is to remove them from the world. All hetero bandits, hetero pigs, hetero fornicators, hetero perverts, hetero fanatics and hetero murderers should be condemned to death. The world will be a better place without those hetero shit. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. The talebans who were dictatorial and who tortured women were also heterosexual. Heterosexuals have always been on the offensive. They have always attacked others without good arguments. Their attacks are based on lies, violence, vulgarity and injustice. Gays and other groups of people have always been on the defensive. This is why heterosexuals have become arrogant and tyrannical. Gays and other groups of people should strike back more often. They should counter attack They should be more on the offensive also. In fact it is heterosexuals who have not respected others. They have oppressed others. The others have the right to strike back. Heterosexuals have always acted like terrorists. This is Heterosexual Terrorism. They should be condemned. Four articles are reproduced below to show how heterosexuals are murderous, abnormal, perverted, sinful and dirty. Heterosexuals are  beasts and filthy Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they  have themselves many more faults, defects, vices and perversions. Heterosexuals are monsters. In 1999, in a few days heterosexuals committed many monstrous crimes. In Egypt a man stabbed the lover of his wife 300 times and then cut his head. In Israel a man set fire to the house of his wife, killing his wife and his children. In atlanta, USA a man killed his wife and children and then killed 9 other people. Heterosexuals are beasts. Heterosexuality is bestiality.    Some time ago, in belgium, a  pastor and his daughter  with whom he had an incestuous relationship killed 10 people. 5 were members of their family. The two heterosexuals got rid of their victims by dissolving their bodies in acid. The heterosexual man was a pastor and a theology teacher.    In Gloucester, Great Britain, frederick and rosemary West who were husband and wife, killed and buried 18 persons. Some were their children.    In the eighties, a heterosexual man in california raped, tortured and killed more than 15 women. the man took sadistic pleasures in seeing the women suffered. One of his methods was to cut them with an electric saw. The man took pleasure in seeing the women shouting in terrible pain.    Several years ago in South America (Colombia) a heterosexual man raped and killed more than 100 girls.    In France the parents of a 5 year old boy martyrized the little boy for years. They beated him and imprisoned him in a little cage. They took pleasure in seeing the little boy suffered.     A few years ago in France a Head of school killed the prostitute he was frequenting because the prostitute no longer wanted him.    There are many other cases of heterosexual atrocities. Every week (sometimes every day) in the media of the world you can read and hear about heinous crimes committed by heterosexuals.   Heterosexuals like to brag and threaten people about many things. Then for offences and crimes they must be punished more severely because they have no extenuating circumstances. There are only three possibilities for them. Either  they are shut in psychiatric hospitals or they are shut in prisons or they are executed. It is not because many parents are heterosexual that they are perfect. Many parents and heterosexuals want only to satisfy their vicious desires. Children  are just the result of their vices. It is not that because something is necessary that it is perfect. Excrement is necessary and it is not perfect. Heterosexuals are like excrement. They are not perfect, they are disgusting and wicked. Heterosexuality is no longer necessary  to have children. Artificial Insemination is replacing it. Some heterosexuals say that they have to fornicate  to ensure the survival of humankind. Their argument does not convince at all. First we do not need so many children on this earth. On the contrary it will be better if they stop copulating and fornicating. There will be less vices and less problems caused by heterosexuals and overpopulation. If those heterosexuals stop copulating and do not have children we will not regret at all. We will rejoice because there will be less problems and more resources available for people existing on earth. It is better to have quality than quantity. Secondly to have children, heterosexuals do not need to have so many copulations. They have thousands times more copulations than necessary. It is as if an employee is asking thousands times more money for the real value of a job or a seller is making people pay thousands times more than the real value of an article. If those heterosexuals stop copulating the world will be a better place. The world do not need those type of people. There are people more than necessary on this earth. There are also enough smart people on this earth. Many problems (crimes, vices, theft, exploitation, etc) caused by heterosexuals will disappear. So we say, let them stop copulating and having children. Heterosexuals are the greatest killers and the greatest perverts Heterosexuals are the greatest killers. Since the beginning of the world heterosexuals have killed as many as the increase in population at a particular period and sometimes much more. For example in 1970 there were 4 billions people. Now there are 6 billions people. In 30 years the population has increased by 2 billions. In the same period heterosexuals have killed approximately the same number of people. From 1970 to 1999 an average of 50 millions abortions were perpetrated each year by heterosexuals (Data from United Nations and World Health Organization). This means that in 30 yrs, 50×30=1500 millions abortions have been committed. Heterosexuals are guilty of 1.5 billions abortions in that period of time. Heterosexuals are guilty of this holocaust and genocide of children. Heterosexuals are worst than the Nazis. Heterosexuals committed about 150 crimes per year per million people. From 1970 to 1999 the average world population was 5 billions, that is 5000 millions people. Therefore each year heterosexuals committed 5000×150=750000 crimes. For 30 years they committed 30×750000=22,500,000 crimes. During that period heterosexuals killed also about 100 millions people in wars (soldiers and civil population). During that period heterosexuals also killed about 100 millions people by various diseases such as syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, AIDS, tuberculosis, leprosy, etc. In the world 85% of AIDS are caused and transmitted by heterosexuals. AIDS is a heterosexual disease. AIDS means heterosexuality. During that period heterosexuals have killed and maimed about 100 millions children through wars, molestation, child batterings, ill treatment, lack of care and abandonment. Heterosexuals had also killed and are still killing millions of children in the bellies of their mothers by their furious and savage copulations. During that period heterosexuals have killed about 1,825 millions people, that is, 1.825 billions (by abortions+crimes+wars+diseases+child batterings and lack of care,etc). Heterosexuals are therefore the greatest killers, the greatest murderers, the greatest perverts and the greatest monsters. Heterosexuals are the most dangerous people. Shame on heterosexuals. Heterosexuals say they give life to babies but they must remember that for every person alive, they have killed another person. They give life but at what cost. The cost is violence, crimes, vices, perversions, wars, agressions and sins. The price of their life giving is very high. They must also remember that most heterosexuals want only to satisfy their sexual and vicious  desires. Children are just the consequences. Heterosexuals have nothing to be proud about having

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Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people. Actually, there is no such word as "Heterophobe" in our dictionaries, yet "Homophobe" exists.  This shows quite the opposite to be true.   As no one has yet to fear a Heterosexual, the word has never been used in society.   You seem to be the first Heterophobe, now we need to put the word in the

dictionary. There are many heterophobes. They have not expressed themselves in the past. Yes the word has to be put in the dictionary. Heterophobia also has to be put in the dictionary. They have always molested, GAY priests molest little boys.   There are no mentions or accusations of any HETERO Priests molesting any little girls, are there?  Not one single case that I have ever heard, yet every night, a story about a HOMO priest molesting little boys. Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. It is the HOMOsexual people that become priests and molest little boys.

It is heterosexual fathers and adults that molest little girls and their daughters. Every day we hear about fathers raping their daughters and committing incests. Incest happen in heterosexual families. Incest is a characteristic of heterosexuality. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. It is the HOMOsexual priests that are molesting little boys.

It is heterosexual priests and teachers who harassed and abused girls and women. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. You mean HOMOsexual desires.

No I mean the bestiality of heterosexuality. Heterosexuality is bestiality. It is disgusting and nauseating. You hetero pervert, you are a cunt licker. You better kill yourself by eating women shit and drinking women piss. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. All priests are homosexual.

You should say all saints are homosexual and all devils are heterosexual. Homosexuality is a birth defect.   The only reason for the instinct and drive for sex is for any species to create offspring.

Then contraceptives are against nature. They prevent reproduction. They go against procreation. As it is heterosexuals who use contraceptives, it is heterosexual who go against nature. Heterosexuals are falsifying nature. Heterosexuality is bestiality. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  A sexual drive an attraction towards the same sex has no purpose and does not lead to creating offspring. It is just a birth defect, just like being born without any arms or legs, and the percentage of homosexuals equals the percentage of people with other birth defects. If Homosexuality was anything other than a birth defect, (like a choice or preference) than there would be 50% of the population as Homosexuals. The small minority of Homosexuals, or people with other birth defects, is just the unfortunate reality of nature.

According to you all geniuses are birth defect. All inventors are birth defect. All top models are birth defect because they constitute a minority, a minority that is much less than gays. President  Bush is a birth defect because there is only one president. He is an infinite minority. Doctors are a birth defect because they are a minority. Journalists are a birth defect because they are a minority. The God that America worship and respect is a birth defect because He is an infinite minority. In fact it is you who are a birth defect. You cannot reason humanely and intelligently. You are a disgrace for the human race. You are a beast, just good to be treated like a beast. All hetero pigs and hetero perverts like you should be eliminated from the world. The world will be a better place without such hetero shit. You are very hungry of women. You are a cunt licker. You use children to justify all your vices. Soon heterosexuality will become illegal. Children will be born by artificial insemination. Heterosexuals engaging in heterosexuality will be punished by the law. You are talking about choice. For many things that people choose there are not 50%  of people adopting that choice. There is not 50 % of people playing the guitar.  There is not 50% of people playing tennis. There is not 50% of people becoming pilots, accountants or engineers, etc. There are many heterophobes in the world. They have been prevented to express their feelings. Their number is rising and the word exists already in common language. Soon it will appear in dictionaries, if it has not already appeared.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people. They have always molested, bullied and criticised others. When the others criticise them, they threaten them. They want to silence them. They do not accept  criticism. They claim the right and the freedom to attack and criticise others but they refuse others this same right to criticise them. Thankfully, the "gay" homosexuals have never molested, bullied, or criticised others, eh Maria? Sure, those "gays" have sexually molested a lot of children (as we have all heard about in the news lately – sadly those "gays" had somehow made their way into the priesthood), and yes, those "gays" have thrown condoms at worshippers inside St. Patrick’s Cathedral as they marched past in their annual "Gay Pride" parade in New York City, and perhaps those "gays" have even gone so far as to say negative things about both the Boy Scouts of America and the teachings of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam (all of which condemn homosexual behavior), but have those "gays" molested, bullied, or criticized others?  No, of course not.

In a long span of time there are only a few boys that have been really abused by gay priests. Also it has to be determined whether those boys were consentant or not. The homophobes bring up cases that happened during the last 30 years or more. In spite of this there are not many cases. During this same period of time there are thousands or even millions of cases of abuses by heterosexual predators. Many heterosexual priests have harassed and abused girls and women working in their environment. Many teenage girls have been harassed and abused by heterosexual teachers and male heterosexual teenagers. Many girls have become pregnant because of heterosexual predators, adults and teenagers. Many had to resort to abortion. Many girls have been abused by their fathers and step fathers in families. Incest happens in heterosexual families. Incest is a characteristic of heterosexuality. Many male heterosexual teenagers and adults have bullied and brutalized other students in schools and elsewhere. All women are raped by heterosexual men. It is those tyrannical religions that have attacked gays first. Therefore gays have the right to strike back. It is legitimate  and justified. Those religions are full of violence and hatred. They encourage violence and hatred of others who don’t agree with them. Their followers are heterosexual fanatics. The  male ones are very hungry of women.

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(warning, i’m piggy backing!!!!!) :: Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and ::agressed :: people. And, did you ‘grow up in a different’ jungle than the rest of us??? Troll…troll… troll.. Actually, there is no such word as "Heterophobe" in our dictionaries, yet "Homophobe" exists.  This shows quite the opposite to be true.   As no one has yet to fear a Heterosexual, the word has never been used in society.   You seem to be the first Heterophobe, now we need to put the word in the dictionary.

ahhh.. good point. :: They have always molested, ?????   GAY priests molest little boys.   There are no mentions or accusations of any HETERO Priests molesting any little girls, are there?

yes, there is, but, they don’t get the ‘press’.  Not one single case that I have ever heard, yet every night, a story about a HOMO priest molesting little boys.

It sells …. I don’t need to say more. :: Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. Some heteros are like dictators, religious fanatics???  I dunno ’bout that. It is the HOMOsexual people that become priests and molest little boys. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. It is the HOMOsexual priests that are molesting little boys.

The homosexual community does not like it mentioned that molestation of young males (14-19) is a homosexual act rather than an act of pediophellia (sp).  However, homosexuality ‘preys’ on young males during an otherwise normal ‘amibiguous’ sexual developmental stage. :: They just use children as an arm and a shield to :: justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. Here you go again… ever hear of ‘nature’???? You mean HOMOsexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. All priests are homosexual.

Both the above are false. Homosexuality is a birth defect.   The only reason for the instinct and drive for sex is for any species to create offspring.   A sexual drive an attraction towards the same sex has no purpose and does not lead to creating offspring. It is just a birth defect, just like being born without any arms or legs, and the percentage of homosexuals equals the percentage of people with other birth defects. If Homosexuality was anything other than a birth defect, (like a choice or preference) than there would be 50% of the population as Homosexuals.   The small minority of Homosexuals, or people with other birth defects, is just the unfortunate reality of nature.

Oh.. boy.. the word ‘defect’ is going to cause problems. Paula

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Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people.

Actually, there is no such word as "Heterophobe" in our dictionaries, yet "Homophobe" exists.  This shows quite the opposite to be true.   As no one has yet to fear a Heterosexual, the word has never been used in society.   You seem to be the first Heterophobe, now we need to put the word in the dictionary. They have always molested,

GAY priests molest little boys.   There are no mentions or accusations of any HETERO Priests molesting any little girls, are there?  Not one single case that I have ever heard, yet every night, a story about a HOMO priest molesting little boys. Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics.

It is the HOMOsexual people that become priests and molest little boys. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children.

It is the HOMOsexual priests that are molesting little boys. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires.

You mean HOMOsexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual.

All priests are homosexual. Homosexuality is a birth defect.   The only reason for the instinct and drive for sex is for any species to create offspring.   A sexual drive an attraction towards the same sex has no purpose and does not lead to creating offspring. It is just a birth defect, just like being born without any arms or legs, and the percentage of homosexuals equals the percentage of people with other birth defects. If Homosexuality was anything other than a birth defect, (like a choice or preference) than there would be 50% of the population as Homosexuals.   The small minority of Homosexuals, or people with other birth defects, is just the unfortunate reality of nature.

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Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people. They have always molested, bullied and criticised others. When the others criticise them, they threaten them. They want to silence them. They do not accept  criticism. They claim the right and the freedom to attack and criticise others but they refuse others this same right to criticise them. Heterosexual people terrorize others by violence and repression. They terrorize people also by passing discriminatory laws against others. This heterosexual terrorism and dictatorship have been legalised and institutionalized. There is something common in heterosexual people, terrorists and religious extremists and fanatics. Their psychologies are more or less the same. Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. They do not accept that people question and criticise them. They are tyrannical.  They want to make people believe that heterosexuality cannot be questionned, analyzed, criticised and challenged. This shows that heterosexuals are totalitarian. Heterosexual people have oppressed others for centuries and if we suggest making them feel for only a week (or even a day) what they have done to others, they rant and threaten with violence. This confirms the terrorist nature of heterosexual people. They are the source of all evils in this world. The only solution is to remove them from the world. All hetero bandits, hetero pigs, hetero fornicators, hetero perverts, hetero fanatics and hetero murderers should be condemned to death. The world will be a better place without those hetero shit. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. The talebans who were dictatorial and who tortured women were also heterosexual. Heterosexuals have always been on the offensive. They have always attacked others without good arguments. Their attacks are based on lies, violence, vulgarity and injustice. Gays and other groups of people have always been on the defensive. This is why heterosexuals have become arrogant and tyrannical. Gays and other groups of people should strike back more often. They should counter attack They should be more on the offensive also. In fact it is heterosexuals who have not respected others. They have oppressed others. The others have the right to strike back. Heterosexuals have always acted like terrorists. This is Heterosexual Terrorism. They should be condemned. Four articles are reproduced below to show how heterosexuals are murderous, abnormal, perverted, sinful and dirty. Heterosexuals are  beasts and filthy Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they  have themselves many more faults, defects, vices and perversions. Heterosexuals are monsters. In 1999, in a few days heterosexuals committed many monstrous crimes. In Egypt a man stabbed the lover of his wife 300 times and then cut his head. In Israel a man set fire to the house of his wife, killing his wife and his children. In atlanta, USA a man killed his wife and children and then killed 9 other people. Heterosexuals are beasts. Heterosexuality is bestiality.    Some time ago, in belgium, a  pastor and his daughter  with whom he had an incestuous relationship killed 10 people. 5 were members of their family. The two heterosexuals got rid of their victims by dissolving their bodies in acid. The heterosexual man was a pastor and a theology teacher.    In Gloucester, Great Britain, frederick and rosemary West who were husband and wife, killed and buried 18 persons. Some were their children.    In the eighties, a heterosexual man in california raped, tortured and killed more than 15 women. the man took sadistic pleasures in seeing the women suffered. One of his methods was to cut them with an electric saw. The man took pleasure in seeing the women shouting in terrible pain.    Several years ago in South America (Colombia) a heterosexual man raped and killed more than 100 girls.    In France the parents of a 5 year old boy martyrized the little boy for years. They beated him and imprisoned him in a little cage. They took pleasure in seeing the little boy suffered.     A few years ago in France a Head of school killed the prostitute he was frequenting because the prostitute no longer wanted him.    There are many other cases of heterosexual atrocities. Every week (sometimes every day) in the media of the world you can read and hear about heinous crimes committed by heterosexuals.   Heterosexuals like to brag and threaten people about many things. Then for offences and crimes they must be punished more severely because they have no extenuating circumstances. There are only three possibilities for them. Either  they are shut in psychiatric hospitals or they are shut in prisons or they are executed. It is not because many parents are heterosexual that they are perfect. Many parents and heterosexuals want only to satisfy their vicious desires. Children  are just the result of their vices. It is not that because something is necessary that it is perfect. Excrement is necessary and it is not perfect. Heterosexuals are like excrement. They are not perfect, they are disgusting and wicked. Heterosexuality is no longer necessary  to have children. Artificial Insemination is replacing it. Some heterosexuals say that they have to fornicate  to ensure the survival of humankind. Their argument does not convince at all. First we do not need so many children on this earth. On the contrary it will be better if they stop copulating and fornicating. There will be less vices and less problems caused by heterosexuals and overpopulation. If those heterosexuals stop copulating and do not have children we will not regret at all. We will rejoice because there will be less problems and more resources available for people existing on earth. It is better to have quality than quantity. Secondly to have children, heterosexuals do not need to have so many copulations. They have thousands times more copulations than necessary. It is as if an employee is asking thousands times more money for the real value of a job or a seller is making people pay thousands times more than the real value of an article. If those heterosexuals stop copulating the world will be a better place. The world do not need those type of people. There are people more than necessary on this earth. There are also enough smart people on this earth. Many problems (crimes, vices, theft, exploitation, etc) caused by heterosexuals will disappear. So we say, let them stop copulating and having children. Heterosexuals are the greatest killers and the greatest perverts Heterosexuals are the greatest killers. Since the beginning of the world heterosexuals have killed as many as the increase in population at a particular period and sometimes much more. For example in 1970 there were 4 billions people. Now there are 6 billions people. In 30 years the population has increased by 2 billions. In the same period heterosexuals have killed approximately the same number of people. From 1970 to 1999 an average of 50 millions abortions were perpetrated each year by heterosexuals (Data from United Nations and World Health Organization). This means that in 30 yrs, 50×30=1500 millions abortions have been committed. Heterosexuals are guilty of 1.5 billions abortions in that period of time. Heterosexuals are guilty of this holocaust and genocide of children. Heterosexuals are worst than the Nazis. Heterosexuals committed about 150 crimes per year per million people. From 1970 to 1999 the average world population was 5 billions, that is 5000 millions people. Therefore each year heterosexuals committed 5000×150=750000 crimes. For 30 years they committed 30×750000=22,500,000 crimes. During that period heterosexuals killed also about 100 millions people in wars (soldiers and civil population). During that period heterosexuals also killed about 100 millions people by various diseases such as syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, AIDS, tuberculosis, leprosy, etc. In the world 85% of AIDS are caused and transmitted by heterosexuals. AIDS is a heterosexual disease. AIDS means heterosexuality. During that period heterosexuals have killed and maimed about 100 millions children through wars, molestation, child batterings, ill treatment, lack of care and abandonment. Heterosexuals had also killed and are still killing millions of children in the bellies of their mothers by their furious and savage copulations. During that period heterosexuals have killed about 1,825 millions people, that is, 1.825 billions (by abortions+crimes+wars+diseases+child batterings and lack of care,etc). Heterosexuals are therefore the greatest killers, the greatest murderers, the greatest perverts and the greatest monsters. Heterosexuals are the most dangerous people. Shame on heterosexuals. Heterosexuals say they give life to babies but they must remember that for every person alive, they have killed another person. They give life but at what cost. The cost is violence, crimes, vices, perversions, wars, agressions and sins. The price of their life giving is very high. They must also remember that most heterosexuals want only to satisfy their sexual and vicious  desires. Children are just the consequences. Heterosexuals have nothing to be proud about having children. On the contrary they should be ashamed of themselves for all the negative and catastrophic effects of their selfish and vicious copulations and fornications. Heterosexuals commit crimes against children and against humanity  Heterosexuals are perverted people. They are also child abusers and molesters. They have perpetrated almost all of the crimes against children and against humanity. Throughout history they have … read more »

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Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship

So I take it you are not heterosexual? Teflon <snip

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Don’t assume that. ‘Could be a heterosexual feeling badly over anti-homosexualism. But be thankful the post doesn’t tie it in with the Arab-Israelis conflict. Stephen

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| Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship | | | | So I take it you are not heterosexual? | | Teflon | | <snip |

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Don’t assume that. ‘Could be a heterosexual feeling badly over anti-homosexualism. But be thankful the post doesn’t tie it in with the Arab-Israelis conflict. Stephen

It could be, or the person could be trans gender.  I really don’t care.   It is bullshit. Teflon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | | Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship | | | | So I take it you are not heterosexual? | | Teflon | | <snip |

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Heterosexual Terrorism and Heterosexual Dictatorship Heterosexual people are terrorists. They have always attacked and agressed people. They have always molested, bullied and criticised others. When the others criticise them, they threaten them. They want to silence them. They do not accept criticism. They claim the right and the freedom to attack and criticise others but they refuse others this same right to criticise them. Heterosexual people terrorize others by violence and repression. They terrorize people also by passing discriminatory laws against others. This heterosexual terrorism and dictatorship have been legalised and institutionalized. There is something common in heterosexual people, terrorists and religious extremists and fanatics. Their psychologies are more or less the same. Heterosexual people are like dictators and religious fanatics. They do not accept that people question and criticise them. They are tyrannical. They want to make people believe that heterosexuality cannot be questionned, analyzed, criticised and challenged. This shows that heterosexuals are totalitarian. Heterosexual people have oppressed others for centuries and if we suggest making them feel for only a week (or even a day) what they have done to others, they rant and threaten with violence. This confirms the terrorist nature and mentality of heterosexual people. They are the source of all evils in this world. The only solution is to remove them from the world. All hetero bandits, hetero pigs, hetero fornicators, hetero perverts, hetero fanatics and hetero murderers should be condemned to death. The world will be a better place without those hetero shit. Heterosexual people are terrorists. They like to resort to violence. They don’t care about children. They just use children as an arm and a shield to justify and defend their lustful and lascivious heterosexual desires. All dictators and terrorists are heterosexual. The talibans who were dictatorial and who tortured women were also heterosexual. All those black dictators of african origin are heterosexual. Heterosexuals have always been on the offensive. They have always attacked others without good arguments. Their attacks are based on lies, violence, vulgarity and injustice. Gays and other groups of people have always been on the defensive. This is why heterosexuals have become arrogant and tyrannical. Gays and other groups of people should strike back more often. They should counter attack They should be more on the offensive also. In fact it is heterosexuals who have not respected others. They have oppressed others. The others have the right to strike back. Heterosexuals have always acted like terrorists. This is Heterosexual Terrorism. They should be condemned. Four articles are reproduced below to show how heterosexuals are murderous, abnormal, perverted, sinful and dirty. Heterosexuals are beasts and filthy Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they have themselves many more faults, defects, vices and perversions. Heterosexuals are monsters. In 1999, in a few days heterosexuals committed many monstrous crimes. In Egypt a man stabbed the lover of his wife 300 times and then cut his head. In Israel a man set fire to the house of his wife, killing his wife and his children. In atlanta, USA a man killed his wife and children and then killed 9 other people. Heterosexuals are beasts. Heterosexuality is bestiality. Some time ago, in belgium, a pastor and his daughter with whom he had an incestuous relationship killed 10 people. 5 were members of their family. The two heterosexuals got rid of their victims by dissolving their bodies in acid. The heterosexual man was a pastor and a theology teacher. In Gloucester, Great Britain, frederick and rosemary West who were husband and wife, killed and buried 18 persons. Some were their children. In the eighties, a heterosexual man in california raped, tortured and killed more than 15 women. the man took sadistic pleasures in seeing the women suffered. One of his methods was to cut them with an electric saw. The man took pleasure in seeing the women shouting in terrible pain. Several years ago in South America (Colombia) a heterosexual man raped and killed more than 100 girls. In France the parents of a 5 year old boy martyrized the little boy for years. They beated him and imprisoned him in a little cage. They took pleasure in seeing the little boy suffered. A few years ago in France a Head of school killed the prostitute he was frequenting because the prostitute no longer wanted him. There are many other cases of heterosexual atrocities. Every week (sometimes every day) in the media of the world you can read and hear about heinous crimes committed by heterosexuals. Heterosexuals like to brag and threaten people about many things. Then for offences and crimes they must be punished more severely because they have no extenuating circumstances. There are only three possibilities for them. Either they are shut in psychiatric hospitals or they are shut in prisons or they are executed. It is not because many parents are heterosexual that they are perfect. Many parents and heterosexuals want only to satisfy their vicious desires. Children are just the result of their vices. It is not that because something is necessary that it is perfect. Excrement is necessary and it is not perfect. Heterosexuals are like excrement. They are not perfect, they are disgusting and wicked. Heterosexuality is no longer necessary to have children. Artificial Insemination is replacing it. Some heterosexuals say that they have to fornicate to ensure the survival of humankind. Their argument does not convince at all. First we do not need so many children on this earth. On the contrary it will be better if they stop copulating and fornicating. There will be less vices and less problems caused by heterosexuals and overpopulation. If those heterosexuals stop copulating and do not have children we will not regret at all. We will rejoice because there will be less problems and more resources available for people existing on earth. It is better to have quality than quantity. Secondly to have children, heterosexuals do not need to have so many copulations. They have thousands times more copulations than necessary. It is as if an employee is asking thousands times more money for the real value of a job or a seller is making people pay thousands times more than the real value of an article. If those heterosexuals stop copulating the world will be a better place. The world do not need those type of people. There are people more than necessary on this earth. There are also enough smart people on this earth. Many problems (crimes, vices, theft, exploitation, etc) caused by heterosexuals will disappear. So we say, let them stop copulating and having children. Heterosexuals are the greatest killers and the greatest perverts Heterosexuals are the greatest killers. Since the beginning of the world heterosexuals have killed as many as the increase in population at a particular period and sometimes much more. For example in 1970 there were 4 billions people. Now there are 6 billions people. In 30 years the population has increased by 2 billions. In the same period heterosexuals have killed approximately the same number of people. From 1970 to 1999 an average of 50 millions abortions were perpetrated each year by heterosexuals (Data from United Nations and World Health Organization). This means that in 30 yrs, 50×30=1500 millions abortions have been committed. Heterosexuals are guilty of 1.5 billions abortions in that period of time. Heterosexuals are guilty of this holocaust and genocide of children. Heterosexuals are worst than the Nazis. Heterosexuals committed about 150 crimes per year per million people. From 1970 to 1999 the average world population was 5 billions, that is 5000 millions people. Therefore each year heterosexuals committed 5000×150=750000 crimes. For 30 years they committed 30×750000=22,500,000 crimes. During that period heterosexuals killed also about 100 millions people in wars (soldiers and civil population). During that period heterosexuals also killed about 100 millions people by various diseases such as syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, AIDS, tuberculosis, leprosy, etc. In the world 85% of AIDS are caused and transmitted by heterosexuals. AIDS is a heterosexual disease. AIDS means heterosexuality. During that period heterosexuals have killed and maimed about 100 millions children through wars, molestation, child batterings, ill treatment, lack of care and abandonment. Heterosexuals had also killed and are still killing millions of children in the bellies of their mothers by their furious and savage copulations. During that period heterosexuals have killed about 1,825 millions people, that is, 1.825 billions (by abortions+crimes+wars+diseases+child batterings and lack of care,etc). Heterosexuals are therefore the greatest killers, the greatest murderers, the greatest perverts and the greatest monsters. Heterosexuals are the most dangerous people. Shame on heterosexuals. Heterosexuals say they give life to babies but they must remember that for every person alive, they have killed another person. They give life but at what cost. The cost is violence, crimes, vices, perversions, wars, agressions and sins. The price of their life giving is very high. They must also remember that most heterosexuals want only to satisfy their sexual and vicious desires. Children are just the consequences. Heterosexuals have nothing to be proud about having children. On the contrary they should be ashamed of themselves for all the negative and catastrophic effects of their selfish and vicious copulations and fornications. Heterosexuals commit crimes against children and against humanity Heterosexuals are perverted people. They are also child abusers and molesters. They have perpetrated almost all of the crimes against children and … read more »

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Two indicted in priest-sex scandal

The same two over and over. -Tony — For fairly troll free Catholic discussion, join on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romancatholic/ "it is all too easy for human beings to prooftext their way into hell." — James R. Black.

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Two indicted in priest-sex scandal A special grand jury impaneled by Hamilton County Prosecutor Michael Allen to investigate allegations of sex crimes by Roman Catholic priests indicted two men Friday. The charges are the first following a yearlong investigation. The Rev. Kenneth Schoettmer, a former Hanover Twp. priest, was indicted on charges he raped and abused a teenage boy. Schoettmer, a former priest at the Queen of Peace parish, is charged with rape, gross sexual imposition and sexual battery involving a June 18, 1999, encounter with a 17-year-old Hamilton County youth. The rape charge is a first-degree felony and specifies that force was used. If convicted, Schoettmer could face up to 15 years in prison. John Williams, spokesman for the Hamilton County Prosecutor

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Los Angeles Times (US: requires free registration) March 22, 2003 As many as 300 potential sexual abuse cases against the Roman Catholic dioceses of Los Angeles and Orange were ordered funneled into a single courtroom Friday in a move that church lawyers said could help settle all the claims by year’s end. "It is the desire of the archbishop of Los Angeles to get this to be part of our past and no longer part of our present or our future," J. Michael Hennigan, an attorney for the archdiocese, said during a court hearing on a motion to transfer cases to a single judge. The order was made by Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Elihu M. Berle. Full text at: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me- priests22mar22,1,5953425.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dcalifornia (‘cut & paste’ if link is broken)

Oops – I forgot that I could’ve unwrapped the URL: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-priests22mar22,1,5953425.stor… — John Latter Psychology and the Roman Catholic Church (Research) http://members.aol.com/jorolat/roman.html "Psychology and The Roman Catholic Church" Egroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/catholicpsychology/

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Los Angeles Times (US: requires free registration) March 22, 2003 As many as 300 potential sexual abuse cases against the Roman Catholic dioceses of Los Angeles and Orange were ordered funneled into a single courtroom Friday in a move that church lawyers said could help settle all the claims by year’s end. "It is the desire of the archbishop of Los Angeles to get this to be part of our past and no longer part of our present or our future," J. Michael Hennigan, an attorney for the archdiocese, said during a court hearing on a motion to transfer cases to a single judge. The order was made by Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Elihu M. Berle. Full text at: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me- priests22mar22,1,5953425.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dcalifornia (‘cut & paste’ if link is broken) — John Latter Psychology and the Roman Catholic Church (Research) http://members.aol.com/jorolat/roman.html "Psychology and The Roman Catholic Church" Egroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/catholicpsychology/

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Actually, the grand jury is in a neighboring county, not Los Angeles.  The LA archdiocese covers of three counties, and this grand jury is for Ventura county.

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As St. Peter tells us, "Judgment will come first in the House of the Lord"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cardinal’s Aides Testify to Grand Jury in Los Angeles Abuse Case http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/23/national/23CHUR.html?tntemail1 Four leaders of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles who have ties to Cardinal Roger Mahony have been testifying before a grand jury about possible sexual abuse by 17 fellow priests. The four, Bishop Thomas Curry of Santa Barbara, Msgr. Richard Loomis, Msgr. Timothy Dyer and Msgr. Craig Cox, were the first clerics to be subpoenaed by a grand jury in Southern California, said J. Michael Hennigan, a lawyer for the archdiocese. The priests have testified before grand jurors since the beginning of the year. Each of the four served as the vicar of the clergy at some point in the 17-year tenure of Cardinal Mahony. Details of the accusations against the 17 priests were not available. Maeve Fox, the Ventura County senior deputy district attorney, declined to comment Friday. Archdiocese officials have said that most of the known misconduct claims are based on accusations of acts before Cardinal Mahony’s arrival. Cardinal Mahony has adopted a zero tolerance policy for abuse and created a background screening process for those entering the seminary. Victims’ rights groups contend that church officials covered up accusations of abuse. "Cardinal Mahony and other bishops have knowingly protected and harbored these molesters for years," said Mary Grant, a spokeswoman for the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests. Mr. Hennigan said he would oppose disclosure of church documents on the priests suspected of abuse, arguing that they were subject to attorney-client and patient-therapist privilege. In Washington State, a 43-year-old man who said he was molested by a priest in the Seattle Archdiocese decades ago committed suicide this week, his family said. Police in Kirkland, a Seattle suburb, found the man, Jeff Alfieri, with a gunshot wound to the head in his vehicle early Tuesday. At least two other people in Washington State who accused priests of abuse have committed suicide in recent years. In June, Mr. Alfieri told the Seattle Archdiocese that the Rev. Gerald Moffat had molested him in the early 1970’s when Father Moffat was a priest assigned to Holy Family Church in Kirkland, an archdiocese spokeswoman, Jackie O’Ryan, said. A lawsuit filed on behalf of Mr. Alfieri in November accuses Father Moffat of sexually molesting him during trips and church-related events when the boy was about 11 to 13 years old. Father Moffat’s phone number is not listed, and Ms. O’Ryan said he was unavailable for comment.

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