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Church in North Greece defaced by vandals again Victoria E. Freile Staff writer (November 7, 2005)

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"Pastor Dave" wrote … [...] Actually, the Bible doesn’t specifically address the life span of Adam and Eve.  It does however say that they were banned from the Tree of Life.  This probably would have kept them alive forever. [...]

bible false prophecies, broken promises, and misquotes  http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html Excerpt: God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. (Genesis 2:17) But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (Genesis 3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (Genesis 5:5). – - –

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What a wonderful religion, christianity is.

I. Gender-bias, White Cultures, and Children At least white cultures prosecute child abuse almost equally regardless of the genders of the abusers or victims. Non-white cultures don’t condemn abuse of children of the same-gender [boys for men, girls for women] nor do they condemn the abuse of boys. Non-white cultures see rape only one-way; Attacker = male Victim = female Ever since humans formed a society, this society has — in all cultures — treated girls better* then boys. However, only white cultures have the civility to protect boys at all. Non-white cultures are ageist against boy children which compound the anti-male sexism boys face. *Better = more compassion, more sympathy, more respect, more gentleness, more empathy, more cleanliness, more luxury, more personal space, more privacy, more security, etc. The abuse of girls is socially-acceptable only if the abusers are female. The perpetrators of FGM, foot-binding, killing-of-girl-babies, and other girl-abuses are usually female because men/boys wouldn’t get away with it. This abuse of girls is the fault of women/girls and not of innocent men/boys. Men/boys are in a catch-22 situation in these situations. When a women/girl abuses a girl, a man/boy has two equally-fatal choices: 1. Rescue the girl from the woman/other-girl. If he does this, he will be tortured to death by the society of humans for intefering w/ female-only activities. 2. Ignore the situation. If he does this, the society of humans will blame him for abusing the girl and will torture him to death. In any case, the women/girls can always gang-up on him and accusing him of abusing all the females. The society of humans will then torture this poor man/boy to death for abusing girls, intefering w/female-only activities and for harming all the females. The society of humans has never — in any culture — tolerated man-to-girl abuse or boy-to-girl abuse. That is not to say that it doesn’t occur. Of course it does but the men/boys who perpetrate it are tortured to death by the public when the case is publicized. If anyone wants to stop girl-abuse, they should punish the women/girls who perpertrate it and stop blaming innocent men/boys. II. Ageism Against Little Boys http://www.ageofconsent.com/india.htm Quotes from site: "What is obvious is that whilst Indian law sees the use of young girls as illegal, that of young boys seems to leave them totally unbothered." "I want as example the fact that when I was arrested in Bombay (on false charges, I had opened a case for fraud against an ex-collegue there), when the police came to know on what charges I had been arrested on (sex with a 14 year-old), they laughed upraoriously, and smacked my bum." "Then the case went to court in Tamil Nadu, where, rather than convict me, they wanted to arrest the

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip Sure. He gets a fabulous apartment and $12,000 a month spending money. Obviously, the pope has a special fondness for the protector of pedophiles. Forgive the world for not catering to your sensibilities.. You mean the sensibilities that thinks it’s wrong to hide and protect those that rape kids? Yeah, obviously the catholic church doesn’t cater to those sensibilities. Obviously, they think this behavior is commendable, since they reward it. They have him in a box… you think of it as a reward because you don’t understand the history and operations of the heirarchy. Oh, I understand it all too well. Being a member of the catholic hierarchy means never having to take responsibility for your actions. But you think that law is being punished. Let’s see, he gets to keep his red hat and vote in the next circle jerk, which should be very soon. He gets a really fine apartment, servants, $12,000 a month in spending money. This is punishment for running a sex abuse ring? I guess I don’t understand that. It must be one of those peculiar catholic definitions that you can’t understand without a magic papal decoding ring.

Ouch.  ;-) t only looks like a reward in the real world, but in catholicism, this is called punishment. I guess this is like jesuits who claim they live a life of poverty.

Punishment in the Church is banishment.  Banishment to some backwoods church that has few parishoners and can never meet the assessments devised by the diocese.  My friend Tom (RIP) was punished this way. This in a diocese that merely transferred pedophile priests from one large parish to another.  Tom’s crime?  He was an Irish priest who took a liking to the Mexican community and ministered to them a little too much, according to his white parishoners who complained to the bishop.  So he was sent where there were no Mexicans. Law wasn’t punished, he was rewarded.

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Sure. He gets a fabulous apartment and $12,000 a month spending money. You have a source for this information, or are you just shooting your mouth off?  Vatican apartments are typically not "fabulous" and your 12 grand a month figure seems a "bit" high.  Where did you come up with this tidbit?

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9 Students at School for Deaf Allege Abuse and Sue Nuns By KATIE ZEZIMA Published: May 12, 2004 BOSTON, May 11 – Nine former students of a now-closed Massachusetts school for the deaf filed a lawsuit on Tuesday saying they had been sexually, physically and emotionally abused by the Roman Catholic nuns who operated the institution. The plaintiffs, all of whom are deaf and mute, said they were raped, fondled, beaten, stuffed into lockers and had their heads submerged in toilets by nuns. The plaintiffs were ages 4 to 18 at the time, specified in the lawsuit as 1944 to 1977, while they were students at the Boston School for the Deaf in Randolph, a suburb of Boston. The school, which was operated by the Sisters of St. Joseph of Boston, closed in 1994. [snipped] The suit is the first claiming extensive abuse by nuns since the scandal of sexual abuse by members of the clergy erupted here in early 2002. Mr. Garabedian represented hundreds of people who said they had been abused by John J. Geoghan, a defrocked priest who was killed in prison last year. The archdiocese reached an $85 million settlement last year with more than 500 people who said they had been abused by priests. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/tnt.html?tntget=2004/05/12/education/12s… – Watson, out

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BOSTON, May 11 – Nine former students of a now-closed Massachusetts school for the deaf filed a lawsuit on Tuesday saying they had been sexually, physically and emotionally abused by the Roman Catholic nuns who operated the institution.

Let’s hope this is the first of many lawsuits filed against violent unrepentent nuns who terrorized society’s most vulnerable children under the pretense of saving their souls. As one who believes that the worldwide assets of the Roman Catholic Church should be liquidated, and awarded to its victims, I am pleased to see some light finally shine on forms of Catholic child abuse other than priests having sex with altar boys. The plaintiffs, all of whom are deaf and mute, said they were raped, fondled, beaten, stuffed into lockers and had their heads submerged in toilets by nuns. The plaintiffs were ages 4 to 18 at the time, specified in the lawsuit as 1944 to 1977, while they were students at the Boston School for the Deaf in Randolph, a suburb of Boston. The school, which was operated by the Sisters of St. Joseph of Boston, closed in 1994.

Sounds about par for how Catholic institutions treated children they had sole custody of, during the time period alleged. When you believe in nonsense which says that you are saving children from everlasting Hellfire by forcing them to conform to your behavior and belief system, then pretty much anything becomes justifiable. I experienced a year of Catholic nonsense during my younger years, and it was a mixture of arrogance, pretentiousness, and ignorance unrivaled anywhere else on the planet. I understand why Thomas Jefferson attributed the voluminous quantity of Christian theological writings to the fact that "nonsense can never be explained." I remember the nuns in the school I went to always used to tell us stories about missionaries buried up to their necks and decapitated with a plow.   It was only later that I realized that the people pulling the plow were not the bad guys.  :) — Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Hi, Eric, Do we know one another? Perhaps under another username? If not, nice to meet you. Will interlineate below…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BOSTON, May 11 – Nine former students of a now-closed Massachusetts school for the deaf filed a lawsuit on Tuesday saying they had been sexually, physically and emotionally abused by the Roman Catholic nuns who operated the institution. Let’s hope this is the first of many lawsuits filed against violent unrepentent nuns who terrorized society’s most vulnerable children under the pretense of saving their souls. As one who believes that the worldwide assets of the Roman Catholic Church should be liquidated, and awarded to its victims, I am pleased to see some light finally shine on forms of Catholic child abuse other than priests having sex with altar boys.

At one time I also believed that the RCC should liquidate. While I’ve forgiven them and don’t feel I need that kind of extreme measure for my own heart’s peace, were I Catholic I should find myself asking if that wasn’t possible for the healing of the church. Many of their dollars should go into pedophilia research, prevention and treatment. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The plaintiffs, all of whom are deaf and mute, said they were raped, fondled, beaten, stuffed into lockers and had their heads submerged in toilets by nuns. The plaintiffs were ages 4 to 18 at the time, specified in the lawsuit as 1944 to 1977, while they were students at the Boston School for the Deaf in Randolph, a suburb of Boston. The school, which was operated by the Sisters of St. Joseph of Boston, closed in 1994. Sounds about par for how Catholic institutions treated children they had sole custody of, during the time period alleged. When you believe in nonsense which says that you are saving children from everlasting Hellfire by forcing them to conform to your behavior and belief system, then pretty much anything becomes justifiable. I experienced a year of Catholic nonsense during my younger years, and it was a mixture of arrogance, pretentiousness, and ignorance unrivaled anywhere else on the planet. I understand why Thomas Jefferson attributed the voluminous quantity of Christian theological writings to the fact that "nonsense can never be explained." I remember the nuns in the school I went to always used to tell us stories about missionaries buried up to their necks and decapitated with a plow.   It was only later that I realized that the people pulling the plow were not the bad guys.  :)

This last paragraph is incredibly frightening. Reeks of psychological torture, especially when used upon children. Many images associated with Christ and the saints they are clearly sadomasochistic; Christ on the cross most promiment and ubiquitous in all Christendom. Titillating? Yeah. On some level titillating. Provocative. If one were to really think about the image one would freak. Very twisted in my book. – Watson, out

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Politics cloud Kerry’s Easter plans By Julia Duin THE WASHINGTON TIMES     Easter is this coming Sunday and where Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic candidate for president, will attend church suddenly has become a political issue.     If the Roman Catholic senator sticks to his home Boston Archdiocese, he faces the implied threat from Archbishop Sean O’Malley of being refused Communion.     Archbishop O’Malley has said since the summer that pro-choice Catholic politicians are in a state of grave sin and cannot properly take Communion, though he mentioned neither Mr. Kerry nor Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, another Massachusetts Democrat.     Two months ago, St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke said Mr. Kerry "must not present himself for Communion" at any church in the city. However, "I might give him a blessing or something," the archbishop added.     Mr. Kerry was in St. Louis on March 28, but he sidestepped the Communion issue by attending New Northside Missionary Baptist Church, where he quoted a few verses from the second chapter of James.     Yesterday, Mr. Kerry again worshipped at a Protestant congregation: Charles Street African Methodist Episcopal Church in Dorchester, Mass.     "We’re thankful that there’s going to be a revolution in this country … a new movement," the Rev. Gregory Groover saidfrom the pulpit during the Palm Sunday service. "And we say, God, bring him on, the next president of the United States."     The Kerry campaign has declined comment on his faith and his Easter plans.     Catholics are obligated to attend Mass on Sundays and all Holy Days, but they do not have to receive Communion. It is specifically recommended, however, that Catholics go to confession at least once during Lent, and failing Sunday obligation is a grave sin that makes one ineligible for Communion.     "O’Malley has been quoted as saying if you are pro-abortion, you shouldn’t go to Communion," said the Rev. John Putka, a political science professor at the University of Dayton in Ohio. "Kerry says he intends to go. All you need is one time where he is denied Communion and there’s a national incident."     Mr. Kerry’s positions favoring human stem-cell research; the right to abortion, including partial-birth abortion; and civil unions between homosexuals are contrary to church teachings and have turned a vocal and active group of conservative Catholics against him.     When news accounts showed the senator attending Mass during a recent Idaho ski trip, the American Life League (ALL) issued a news release pointing out that the senator had arrived late and had been dressed in a ski suit at Our Lady of the Snows parish in Sun Valley.     In recent months, the senator has provided a few details about his Catholic past: service as an altar boy, wearing rosary beads during his Vietnam War service, one-time plans to become a priest. On Ash Wednesday, he emerged from a Catholic church with a smudge on his forehead signifying penance.     "People ask: ‘Is he making up his beliefs to take the red states?’ " said Timothy Thibodeau, a history professor at Nazareth College in Rochester, N.Y. "Kerry’s problem is that people doubt his sincerity. They think he is cooking up his religion just in time to run for the election."     Mr. Kerry has said he may be personally opposed to abortion as a Catholic but will not allow the church’s positions to interfere with public policy, citing President Kennedy’s 1960 statement to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association: "I am not the Catholic candidate for president. I am the Democratic Party’s candidate for president who happens also to be a Catholic."     But Mr. Kerry is not dealing with the church Mr. Kennedy knew.     "When Kennedy ran for president, the Catholic Church hadn’t yet had Vatican II," said Mr. Thibodeau, referring to the formative church council that met in Rome from 1962 to 1965.     "John F. Kennedy grew up with a traditional Latin Mass Catholicism," he said. "By the early 1970s, when Kerry began the formative years of his political career, the church had radically changed. There was a drift by Catholic politicians from mainstream Catholic teaching."     Mr. Thibodeau pointed out that the discrepancy between church teachings and Mr. Kerry’s public stances is common today.     "Kerry is in many respects symbolic of a great many Roman Catholics who are totally at odds with the church’s teaching on many things. He is also divorced and remarried. So are a lot of Catholics."     Mr. Kerry’s marriage to Julia Thorne produced two children and ended in a civil divorce in the 1980s. He sought an annulment in 1997, two years after he married ketchup heiress Teresa Heinz. Mr. Kerry has said his "current marriage is in good graces with the church," but his campaign has declined repeated requests from several newspapers to show that the annulment was granted.     A task force of Catholic bishops on how to deal with disobedient politicians, led by Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington, has yet to issue a set of promised guidelines.     "This is all about the bishops and how they choose to respond and not respond," said Joe Starrs, director of ALL’s Crusade for the Defense of Our Catholic Church.     "If Cardinal McCarrick and Archbishop O’Malley don’t do something, Senator John Kerry and all these other pro-abortion Catholic politicians will receive Communion and the rest of the faithful will think, ‘Gee, it’s OK to support abortion and euthanasia.’ "     Bishops have been denying Communion to politicians since A.D. 390, when Ambrose, the archbishop of Milan, excommunicated Roman Emperor Theodosius I for killing 7,000 unarmed Greeks during a tax rebellion.     Theodosius had to endure a ceremony of public penance before Ambrose agreed to accept him back into the church.     But that was then.     "Ted Kennedy, in my mind, is the poster boy of the American Catholic at odds with the church," Mr. Thibodeau said. "Ted goes out of his way to be at odds with church on partial-birth abortion, gay marriage and all the hot-button issues the Vatican wants to discipline politicians on.     "So, the Kerry people can say, ‘Why are you picking on John Kerry when there are a host of Catholic politicians who are worse, but who are still receiving Communion?’ The outrage seems to be selective."

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Did everyone see Kerry’s new facelift? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Politics cloud Kerry’s Easter plans By Julia Duin THE WASHINGTON TIMES

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Did everyone see Kerry’s new facelift?

    Yeah, ain’t it a humdinger?!

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Did everyone see Kerry’s new facelift?     Yeah, ain’t it a humdinger?!

        Of course, in Gomez’s Heaven everyone looks like 40 miles of bad road… Paul

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Politics cloud Kerry’s Easter plans     Easter is this coming Sunday and where Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic candidate for president, will attend church suddenly has become a political issue.     If the Roman Catholic senator sticks to his home Boston Archdiocese, he faces the implied threat from Archbishop Sean O’Malley of being refused Communion.     Archbishop O’Malley has s

And they wonder why no Catholic has been elected to the highest office in this land since JFK.  The fact of the matter is that Catholics still are not mature enough to handle a spiritual disagreement among members of theiir own faith. This is why many protestants like myself typically distrust catholics to represent us on serious political matters since we do not know if they are going to represent our views or do whatever the pope tells them. I voted for Clinton twice, but their is no way I am going to vote for Kerry for president. Catholics just simply are not qualified for the most important position on earth.

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Did everyone see Kerry’s new facelift?     Yeah, ain’t it a humdinger?!         Of course, in Gomez’s Heaven everyone looks like 40 miles of bad road…

And Kerry has a perfect right to get a facelift, botox, or whatever if he wants.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Politics cloud Kerry’s Easter plans     Easter is this coming Sunday and where Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic candidate for president, will attend church suddenly has become a political issue.     If the Roman Catholic senator sticks to his home Boston Archdiocese, he faces the implied threat from Archbishop Sean O’Malley of being refused Communion.     Archbishop O’Malley has s And they wonder why no Catholic has been elected to the highest office in this land since JFK.  The fact of the matter is that Catholics still are not mature enough to handle a spiritual disagreement among members of theiir own faith.

Actually, it shows exactly the opposite.   The Catholic Church has rules as it regards receiving the Sacrament of Comunion (among other things).  Kerry chooses not to follow those rules.   Therefore, he doesn’t receive Communion, at least from Acrhbishop O’Malley.  End of story. his is why many protestants like myself typically distrust catholics

I thought it was just because you’re ignrorant bigots.

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Ooh, I like that quote attribution.  :)

No apotheosis intended (just in case) I understand what you’re referring to; I just get a little annoyed/amused when I hear Anglicans refer to the conservatives or the continuers as "schismatics".  I mean, consider the origins of the Church of England…! Although I consider myself a good, theologically conservative Anglo-Catholic (though a social liberal), I’m under no illusions about the less-than-honorable beginnings of this communion.

Yeah, there’s a long tradition about defending the sanctity of mariage, "till death do us part" *chop* Andreas

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RC Church officials publicly support schismatic tendencies in another denomination? Please, more spicy details.

I should think Anglicans ought to be careful about throwing words like "schismatic" around…  :) — Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley A foolish son is the calamity of his father : and the contentions of a wife are a continual dropping.  The Holy Bible (The Old Testament):  _The Proverbs_ 19:13

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RC Church officials publicly support schismatic tendencies in another denomination? Please, more spicy details. I should think Anglicans ought to be careful about throwing words like "schismatic" around…  :)

How lucky I’m Lutheran (Or protestant or whatever fits the American palette of denominations)  ;-) And yes, I was talking about schismatic tendencies promoted by these "conservative Anglicans" or whatever fancy name they use. Andreas

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Ooh, I like that quote attribution.  :) And yes, I was talking about schismatic tendencies promoted by these "conservative Anglicans" or whatever fancy name they use.

I understand what you’re referring to; I just get a little annoyed/amused when I hear Anglicans refer to the conservatives or the continuers as "schismatics".  I mean, consider the origins of the Church of England…! Although I consider myself a good, theologically conservative Anglo-Catholic (though a social liberal), I’m under no illusions about the less-than-honorable beginnings of this communion. — Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley A foolish son is the calamity of his father : and the contentions of a wife are a continual dropping.  The Holy Bible (The Old Testament):  _The Proverbs_ 19:13

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Another historic step was taken Saturday, February 28th when McLaughlin and Kappinga were joined by Roman Catholic archbishops Tommasi and Castellani in an Evensong service at the church of San Michele (St. Michael) in Lucca, Italy. It was the first time in the history of the archdiocese of Lucca that Anglican and Roman Catholic bishops have prayed together in a public worship service. RC Church officials publicly support schismatic tendencies in another denomination? Please, more spicy details. Does the ecumenical affairs secretary Walter Kasper in Rome know about it? Heads already rolling in Italy, or is this going to be the official style of Church diplomacy in the Vatican?

I see nothing wrong with the Roman Church supporting orthodox Christians in other denominations. Heaven knows that liberal protestants have been egging on the liberals in the Roman Church for years. It works both ways. Charles Hohenstein

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RC Church officials publicly support schismatic tendencies in another denomination? Please, more spicy details. Praying with other Christians does not per se endorse all their positions. Choosing the renegades of one denomination for a first-time event does.

A Lutheran complaining about schismatics? LOL! Certainly however the recent ECUSA innovations in ordaining an unrepentant sinner Beg your pardon? What you state is your personal and uninformed opinion.

What part of that statement could you possibly regard as other than factual? Charles Hohenstein

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Certainly however the recent ECUSA innovations in ordaining an unrepentant sinner Beg your pardon? What you state is your personal and uninformed opinion. What part of that statement could you possibly regard as other than factual?

Don’t be silly, Charles. You know well that the sinfulness of homosexual relationships is highly contentious in your church as well as in mine. Denying that is denying reality. Now that’s exactly what those conservatives who call gays "unrepentant sinners" do, as if the whole matter was obvious, which it obviously isn’t. Andreas

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I see nothing wrong with the Roman Church supporting orthodox Christians in other denominations. Heaven knows that liberal protestants have been egging on the liberals in the Roman Church for years. It works both ways.

I don’t know the situation in your country well enough to be able to say they didn’t. Mind you, we are not speaking of individuals but of church officials. At least for the part of the world I know I can say I haven’t seen protestant church officials supporting RC "opposition groups" through public acts or public declarations. At grassroot level there is dialogue of course, but that’s something completely different. Andreas

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Florence, Italy-A new alliance between conservative American and African Anglicans was instituted by Scott McLaughlin, archbishop of the Episcopal Orthodox Church in the USA and Maternus Kapinga, bishop of the Diocese of Ruvuma in the Anglican Church of Tanzania on Ash Wednesday, February 25th in Florence, Italy. Another historic step was taken Saturday, February 28th when McLaughlin and Kappinga were joined by Roman Catholic archbishops Tommasi and Castellani in an Evensong service at the church of San Michele (St. Michael) in Lucca, Italy. It was the first time in the history of the archdiocese of Lucca that Anglican and Roman Catholic bishops have prayed together in a public worship service.

RC Church officials publicly support schismatic tendencies in another denomination? Please, more spicy details. Does the ecumenical affairs secretary Walter Kasper in Rome know about it? Heads already rolling in Italy, or is this going to be the official style of Church diplomacy in the Vatican? Andreas f’up2 a.r.c.e

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: MONDAY March 1, 2004 FOR MORE INFORMATION IN THE USA, CONTACT ARCHBISHOP SCOTT MCLAUGHLIN, 336/870-1797 personally or 336/236-9565 through his office. Conservative Anglicans Unite For Ministry In Italy, Africa And USA Florence, Italy-A new alliance between conservative American and African Anglicans was instituted by Scott McLaughlin, archbishop of the Episcopal Orthodox Church in the USA and Maternus Kapinga, bishop of the Diocese of Ruvuma in the Anglican Church of Tanzania on Ash Wednesday, February 25th in Florence, Italy. The "Agreement of Intercommunion and Mutual Labor" formally places the two groups in close collaboration.

I would be interested to hear whether any other bishops of the Anglican Communion are in full communion with the "Episcopal Orthodox Church." Charles Hohenstein

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RC Church officials publicly support schismatic tendencies in another denomination? Please, more spicy details.

Praying with other Christians does not per se endorse all their positions. Certainly however the recent ECUSA innovations in ordaining an unrepentant sinner as bishop and publicly condoning his sin does put a damper on RC relations with that church. Those who also take exception to that decision among the Anglicans will find that the Catholic Church is sympathetic.

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RC Church officials publicly support schismatic tendencies in another denomination? Please, more spicy details. Praying with other Christians does not per se endorse all their positions.

Choosing the renegades of one denomination for a first-time event does. Certainly however the recent ECUSA innovations in ordaining an unrepentant sinner

Beg your pardon? What you state is your personal and uninformed opinion. as bishop and publicly condoning his sin does put a damper on RC relations with that church.

That’s another cup of tea. It is not meddling with their internal affairs. Those who also take exception to that decision among the Anglicans will find that the Catholic Church is sympathetic.

Also those who dislike women’s ordinations. Go in peace to serve the Lord (or whatever). Andreas

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Please look for this new "store front" church and no doubt the head will adapt a pretentious title and join the other GRAND HIGH MUCKY MUCKS who all agree on the ST LOUIS protocols but BY GOLLY just cannot seem to accept one person as the new: 1. Arch Bishop 2. Patrriarch 3. Presiding Bishop 4. Or other proto – papal nonsence. "Primaticus Egotist Pompitus Maximus". Hey gang if they all agree on the ST LOUIS protocols why cannot they put their EGOS ASIDE and choice one person as their head. God must we have yet one more schismatic group that all claim to believe the same yet must have their own "Primaticus Egotist Pompitus Maximus". Brian J Dawson

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: MONDAY March 1, 2004 FOR MORE INFORMATION IN THE USA, CONTACT ARCHBISHOP SCOTT MCLAUGHLIN, 336/870-1797 personally or 336/236-9565 through his office. Conservative Anglicans Unite For Ministry In Italy, Africa And USA Florence, Italy-A new alliance between conservative American and African Anglicans was instituted by Scott McLaughlin, archbishop of the Episcopal Orthodox Church in the USA and Maternus Kapinga, bishop of the Diocese of Ruvuma in the Anglican Church of Tanzania on Ash Wednesday, February 25th in Florence, Italy. The "Agreement of Intercommunion and Mutual Labor" formally places the two groups in close collaboration. The first result of the Agreement is the founding of the Episcopal Orthodox Mission in Italy, composed of Italian Anglicans formerly affiliated with the Episcopal Church USA’s Convocation of American Churches in Europe. The two bishops will share Episcopal oversight of the Italians and appointed the Very Revd Claudio Bocca as Vicar General for the Mission. The founding of the Italian mission was celebrated at a solemn Evensong hosted by Claudio Maniago, the Roman Catholic suffragan bishop of the Archdiocese of Florence, at Santa Maria Maggiore church. For its worship services, the Roman Catholic bishops have granted the Episcopal Orthodox Mission in Italy the church of Santa Maria Maggiorre in Florence and the historic church of San Paolo fuore della muro (the church of "St. Paul Outside the Walls"-erected on the site of St. Paul’s burial). The Mission has members in Florence, Rome, Lucca, and San Marino. Another historic step was taken Saturday, February 28th when McLaughlin and Kappinga were joined by Roman Catholic archbishops Tommasi and Castellani in an Evensong service at the church of San Michele (St. Michael) in Lucca, Italy. It was the first time in the history of the archdiocese of Lucca that Anglican and Roman Catholic bishops have prayed together in a public worship service. A second result of the Agreement is the appointment of bishop Kappinga as suffragan (assistant) bishop of the Episcopal Orthodox Church in the United States and the appointment of archbishop McLaughlin as Cathedral Canon Emeritus in the Diocese of Ruvuma in the Anglican Church of Tanzania-actions which the two bishops were able to take immediately. The Agreement between McLaughlin and Kappinga is thus significant for Anglicans in the United States, since it creates a ministry with official ties to the Anglican Communion while remaining independent of the Episcopal Church USA. The consecration of V. Gene Robinson, an acknowledged homosexual, as a bishop in the Episcopal Church USA last fall provoked the creation of the new alliance forged by the Agreement, giving Episcopalians a recognized alternative to the Episcopal Church. The Episcopal Church USA (ECUSA) is a member of the Anglican Communion, composed of about 70 million Christians in 38 provinces around the world. Bishops in the more conservative global south-Africa, Asia, and South America-have officially broken ties with ECUSA due to Robinson’s consecration, which they see as an heretical action contrary to biblical morality. This has caused a crisis in the Anglican Communion, with many Episcopalians in the United States looking to the global south for new leadership. The Episcopal Orthodox Church (EOC) is one of several groups in the United States that have broken away from ECUSA due to doctrinal and ecclesiastical irregularities. Although other groups in the US have developed ties to other African Anglican churches, the alliance between Mclaughlin and Kappinga represents the most conservative expression of Anglican faith and order, since both affirm the importance of biblical moral teaching and traditional catholic liturgical practice while rejecting the ordination of women and homosexuals. #### Further Contact Information: Archbishop McLaughlin returned to the United States on Monday, March 1st, and will be at his home parish in Lexington, NC until Friday, March 5th, when he will travel to Arizona to lead a spiritual Retreat of his clergy at St. Jude’s Anglican Church in Tucson. Use of his personal telephone number, above, is therefore recommended. Bishop Kappinga remains in Italy until Friday March 5th, for further talks with Vatican ecumenical officials. He may be contacted via Vicar General Claudio Bocca in Italy at 39-55-00393357174038. Italy is six hours ahead of US Eastern Standard time.

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: MONDAY March 1, 2004 FOR MORE INFORMATION IN THE USA, CONTACT ARCHBISHOP SCOTT MCLAUGHLIN, 336/870-1797 personally or 336/236-9565 through his office. Conservative Anglicans Unite For Ministry In Italy, Africa And USA Florence, Italy-A new alliance between conservative American and African Anglicans was instituted by Scott McLaughlin, archbishop of the Episcopal Orthodox Church in the USA and Maternus Kapinga, bishop of the Diocese of Ruvuma in the Anglican Church of Tanzania on Ash Wednesday, February 25th in Florence, Italy. The "Agreement of Intercommunion and Mutual Labor" formally places the two groups in close collaboration. The first result of the Agreement is the founding of the Episcopal Orthodox Mission in Italy, composed of Italian Anglicans formerly affiliated with the Episcopal Church USA’s Convocation of American Churches in Europe. The two bishops will share Episcopal oversight of the Italians and appointed the Very Revd Claudio Bocca as Vicar General for the Mission. The founding of the Italian mission was celebrated at a solemn Evensong hosted by Claudio Maniago, the Roman Catholic suffragan bishop of the Archdiocese of Florence, at Santa Maria Maggiore church. For its worship services, the Roman Catholic bishops have granted the Episcopal Orthodox Mission in Italy the church of Santa Maria Maggiorre in Florence and the historic church of San Paolo fuore della muro (the church of "St. Paul Outside the Walls"-erected on the site of St. Paul’s burial). The Mission has members in Florence, Rome, Lucca, and San Marino. Another historic step was taken Saturday, February 28th when McLaughlin and Kappinga were joined by Roman Catholic archbishops Tommasi and Castellani in an Evensong service at the church of San Michele (St. Michael) in Lucca, Italy. It was the first time in the history of the archdiocese of Lucca that Anglican and Roman Catholic bishops have prayed together in a public worship service. A second result of the Agreement is the appointment of bishop Kappinga as suffragan (assistant) bishop of the Episcopal Orthodox Church in the United States and the appointment of archbishop McLaughlin as Cathedral Canon Emeritus in the Diocese of Ruvuma in the Anglican Church of Tanzania-actions which the two bishops were able to take immediately. The Agreement between McLaughlin and Kappinga is thus significant for Anglicans in the United States, since it creates a ministry with official ties to the Anglican Communion while remaining independent of the Episcopal Church USA. The consecration of V. Gene Robinson, an acknowledged homosexual, as a bishop in the Episcopal Church USA last fall provoked the creation of the new alliance forged by the Agreement, giving Episcopalians a recognized alternative to the Episcopal Church. The Episcopal Church USA (ECUSA) is a member of the Anglican Communion, composed of about 70 million Christians in 38 provinces around the world. Bishops in the more conservative global south-Africa, Asia, and South America-have officially broken ties with ECUSA due to Robinson’s consecration, which they see as an heretical action contrary to biblical morality. This has caused a crisis in the Anglican Communion, with many Episcopalians in the United States looking to the global south for new leadership. The Episcopal Orthodox Church (EOC) is one of several groups in the United States that have broken away from ECUSA due to doctrinal and ecclesiastical irregularities. Although other groups in the US have developed ties to other African Anglican churches, the alliance between Mclaughlin and Kappinga represents the most conservative expression of Anglican faith and order, since both affirm the importance of biblical moral teaching and traditional catholic liturgical practice while rejecting the ordination of women and homosexuals. #### Further Contact Information: Archbishop McLaughlin returned to the United States on Monday, March 1st, and will be at his home parish in Lexington, NC until Friday, March 5th, when he will travel to Arizona to lead a spiritual Retreat of his clergy at St. Jude’s Anglican Church in Tucson. Use of his personal telephone number, above, is therefore recommended. Bishop Kappinga remains in Italy until Friday March 5th, for further talks with Vatican ecumenical officials. He may be contacted via Vicar General Claudio Bocca in Italy at 39-55-00393357174038. Italy is six hours ahead of US Eastern Standard time.

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In other words shut up. No. Keep posting about this subject whereever you want. This sort of abuse is inherent to the christian paradigm. (In any natural circumstances these masonic vampires would be torn apart by a baying anti peadophile mob, but no, with a tear in the eye the idiots still ‘love our Pope’…but as I say the reason why they don’t do this IS BECAUSE THIS ABUSE IS INHERENT TO THE CHRISTIAN REALITY, TO THE INSTITUTION, TO THE NATURE OF SOCIETY, THE THE WAY ‘THINGS ARE’. For years the vatican ordered a coverup of abusive personnel in Ireland for a start. DID YOU HERE ME THERE CATHOLICS/CHRISTIANS. I SAID THE VATICAN FREEMASONS ORDERED A COVER UP OF CHILD ABUSE.) On a another subject Dr, you should not allow this infilTration of such ‘energy’ into India make you racist against Muslims. exodus in the house, JAH SEES! King Amdo Blessed be, Om Shiva! Allah Akbar! King Amdo. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is more relavant to Christianity newsgroups. Hence cross posting. Boston Archbishop Will Sell Residence for Payout By Pam Belluck December 4, 2003 BOSTON, Dec. 3 – The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston said on Wednesday that to help pay an $85 million settlement to compensate hundreds of victims of sexual abuse by members of the clergy it would sell the archbishop’s grand residence, which housed Boston’s Catholic Church leaders for 75 years. The residence, modeled after an Italian palazzo and appointed in marble and mahogany, had long been an embodiment of the church’s stature in heavily Roman Catholic Boston, but it had become a despised symbol in the sexual abuse crisis. As the home of then-Archbishop Bernard F. Law, the residence, in the Brighton neighborhood, represented what many perceived as the archdiocese’s indifference to its abused and angry parishioners. In fact, last summer when Archbishop Sean P. O’Malley took the place of Cardinal Law, who resigned under pressure, he quickly decided he would not live in the residence and moved into a small rectory behind the city’s cathedral, a good distance from Brighton. Yet, even then, archdiocese officials continued to say there were no plans to sell the residence to pay for the settlement. On Wednesday, an archdiocese spokesman, the Rev. Christopher Coyne, said Archbishop O’Malley had realized he had no choice. "The archbishop had said that in order to pay for the settlement he would not use any present parish assets, or money from the Catholic Appeal or from the capital campaign," said Father Coyne, referring to church fund-raising campaigns. "That left him very few assets to use, and the only big one that was left was the residence. He did what needed to be done." The residence is part of a 60-acre property that includes St. John’s Seminary and the chancery buildings, which house the archdiocese’s administrative offices. Father Coyne said about 28 of the acres would be put up for sale, including a gymnasium and a garage near the seminary, about 19 acres of fields and about 9 acres around the residence. Father Coyne would not say what the property was expected to sell for. In September 2002, at the height of the sexual abuse crisis, the archdiocese took out a $38 million mortgage on the entire 60 acres. In August, The Boston Globe reported that the church had spent about $27 million of that line of credit, which was given to the archdiocese last year by the Knights of Columbus. It is not clear how the mortgage would affect the value of the sale. Father Coyne said the archdiocese expected that the balance of the $85 million settlement would be paid for out of two insurance policies. "We are very confident that between the two sources we will be able to realize the $85 million," he said. Robert Morrissey, a member of the archdiocesan finance council, which would have to approve the terms of any sale, said he believed the 28 acres, by itself, was "worth much more" than the $85 million. "There’s no question in my mind that there’s more than enough to cover the settlement," he said. "But it’s a real stab in the heart for the church because they’re giving away maybe the most valuable piece of property the church owns in all of Massachusetts." Mr. Morrissey said he supported the sale to pay for the abuse settlements because "from my point of view, it should come out of the church." "It shouldn’t come out of fat cats’ " donating money to the church, he said, adding "I think it should hurt." He also said he did not believe that proceeds from the sale of the 28 acres would be used to offset the mortgage, which could remain attached to the rest of the estate. The decision to sell the residence, which the archbishop made late Wednesday after consulting with various archdiocesan committees, was applauded by abuse victims, parishioners and others. "Bravo," said Gary Bergeron, one of the 552 abuse victims who will be compensated out of the settlement. "We had asked them to do that so many times over the last two years, and at all of those meetings we’ve had, we had suggested that as a symbolic step, if nothing else." Bernie McDaid, another victim, said, "My first gut reaction is I wish they did this a long time ago, and it would have meant more to me." Francis Schussler Fiorenza, professor of Roman Catholic studies at Harvard, said the sale of the residence, built in 1926, "does have symbolic value." "I think it’s very important in terms of leadership," Professor Fiorenza said. At least one potential bidder for the 28 acres has already emerged: Boston College, which is across the street from the Brighton property. Although Boston College has long indicated that it would be interested in the property, John B. Dunn, a spokesman for the college, said on Wednesday night that the fact that the archbishop actually decided to sell it was unanticipated. "We were surprised," Mr. Dunn said. "Given the proximity, Boston College has an interest in the property." End of forwarded message Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 2 Maagh 5104, Friday, January 23, 2004: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Moksh Ritau Makara      Mase Shukl Pakshe Shukr Vasara Yuktayam Dhanishtth-Shatabhish Nakshatr Vyatipat-Variyan Yog      Kaulav-Gar Karan Dvitiya-Tritiya Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate      o  Not for commercial use. 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This is more relavant to Christianity newsgroups. Hence cross posting. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Boston Archbishop Will Sell Residence for Payout By Pam Belluck December 4, 2003 BOSTON, Dec. 3 – The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston said on Wednesday that to help pay an $85 million settlement to compensate hundreds of victims of sexual abuse by members of the clergy it would sell the archbishop’s grand residence, which housed Boston’s Catholic Church leaders for 75 years. The residence, modeled after an Italian palazzo and appointed in marble and mahogany, had long been an embodiment of the church’s stature in heavily Roman Catholic Boston, but it had become a despised symbol in the sexual abuse crisis. As the home of then-Archbishop Bernard F. Law, the residence, in the Brighton neighborhood, represented what many perceived as the archdiocese’s indifference to its abused and angry parishioners. In fact, last summer when Archbishop Sean P. O’Malley took the place of Cardinal Law, who resigned under pressure, he quickly decided he would not live in the residence and moved into a small rectory behind the city’s cathedral, a good distance from Brighton. Yet, even then, archdiocese officials continued to say there were no plans to sell the residence to pay for the settlement. On Wednesday, an archdiocese spokesman, the Rev. Christopher Coyne, said Archbishop O’Malley had realized he had no choice. "The archbishop had said that in order to pay for the settlement he would not use any present parish assets, or money from the Catholic Appeal or from the capital campaign," said Father Coyne, referring to church fund-raising campaigns. "That left him very few assets to use, and the only big one that was left was the residence. He did what needed to be done." The residence is part of a 60-acre property that includes St. John’s Seminary and the chancery buildings, which house the archdiocese’s administrative offices. Father Coyne said about 28 of the acres would be put up for sale, including a gymnasium and a garage near the seminary, about 19 acres of fields and about 9 acres around the residence. Father Coyne would not say what the property was expected to sell for. In September 2002, at the height of the sexual abuse crisis, the archdiocese took out a $38 million mortgage on the entire 60 acres. In August, The Boston Globe reported that the church had spent about $27 million of that line of credit, which was given to the archdiocese last year by the Knights of Columbus. It is not clear how the mortgage would affect the value of the sale. Father Coyne said the archdiocese expected that the balance of the $85 million settlement would be paid for out of two insurance policies. "We are very confident that between the two sources we will be able to realize the $85 million," he said. Robert Morrissey, a member of the archdiocesan finance council, which would have to approve the terms of any sale, said he believed the 28 acres, by itself, was "worth much more" than the $85 million. "There’s no question in my mind that there’s more than enough to cover the settlement," he said. "But it’s a real stab in the heart for the church because they’re giving away maybe the most valuable piece of property the church owns in all of Massachusetts." Mr. Morrissey said he supported the sale to pay for the abuse settlements because "from my point of view, it should come out of the church." "It shouldn’t come out of fat cats’ " donating money to the church, he said, adding "I think it should hurt." He also said he did not believe that proceeds from the sale of the 28 acres would be used to offset the mortgage, which could remain attached to the rest of the estate. The decision to sell the residence, which the archbishop made late Wednesday after consulting with various archdiocesan committees, was applauded by abuse victims, parishioners and others. "Bravo," said Gary Bergeron, one of the 552 abuse victims who will be compensated out of the settlement. "We had asked them to do that so many times over the last two years, and at all of those meetings we’ve had, we had suggested that as a symbolic step, if nothing else." Bernie McDaid, another victim, said, "My first gut reaction is I wish they did this a long time ago, and it would have meant more to me." Francis Schussler Fiorenza, professor of Roman Catholic studies at Harvard, said the sale of the residence, built in 1926, "does have symbolic value." "I think it’s very important in terms of leadership," Professor Fiorenza said. At least one potential bidder for the 28 acres has already emerged: Boston College, which is across the street from the Brighton property. Although Boston College has long indicated that it would be interested in the property, John B. Dunn, a spokesman for the college, said on Wednesday night that the fact that the archbishop actually decided to sell it was unanticipated. "We were surprised," Mr. Dunn said. "Given the proximity, Boston College has an interest in the property." End of forwarded message Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti Panchaang for 2 Maagh 5104, Friday, January 23, 2004: Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Moksh Ritau Makara      Mase Shukl Pakshe Shukr Vasara Yuktayam Dhanishtth-Shatabhish Nakshatr Vyatipat-Variyan Yog      Kaulav-Gar Karan Dvitiya-Tritiya Yam Tithau Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy http://www.hindu.org http://www.hindunet.org The truth about Islam and Muslims http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate      o  Not for commercial use. 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Would these be the same bishops who told the auditors who they were to contact to determine is a diocese was "in compliance"? That’s not an audit.  It’s a farce. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Bishops Seek Recovery Published: January 9, 2004 ARTICLE TOOLS E-Mail This Article Printer-Friendly Format Most E-Mailed Articles TIMES NEWS TRACKER Topics Alerts Religion and Churches The nation’s Roman Catholic bishops have taken a praiseworthy but sadly belated first step toward putting in place safeguards against the scourge of rogue priests, whose sexual abuse of children was hushed up for decades. In releasing an audit claiming improvements in most of the 191 dioceses studied, the bishops underlined how far they still had to go to repair the deep damage to the church’s reputation. The audit makes clear that outreach programs for victims remain lacking in many dioceses, as are programs for ensuring safer parishes and adequately tracking abusers. "We bishops are keeping our word," declared Bishop Wilton D. Gregory, the president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. His commitment is appreciated after the years of official stonewalling. But the audit mainly amounts to a baseline for measuring whatever true progress is to come, parish by parish. The laity is still reeling from the abuse and cover-up scandal, which exploded in Boston two years ago and spread nationally. (In California, a suspension of the statute of limitations last year led to 800 new molestation lawsuits.) Auditors were not allowed full access to personnel records in the dioceses, so the bishops’ promise of transparency is left unfulfilled. And 20 dioceses have not provided all the promised safeguards against future abuse. Some, like the Archdiocese of New York, pleaded greater complexities because of size but said compliance would be forthcoming. The bustling Brooklyn diocese was commended by the auditors for going beyond the requirements to deal more closely with criminal prosecutors investigating the scandal.

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Would these be the same bishops who told the auditors who they were to contact to determine is a diocese was "in compliance"? That’s not an audit.  It’s a farce.

Assume they’re the same guys, Dragon. Sounds like there was a piece of the puzzle I may have missed based upon what you say here. Something specific to which you refer? Farce. You bet. For sure this Biship Gregory is the same guy that fired the former Governor of Iowa who headed a commission that was overseeing this mess when the Governor publicly called the matter a farce. No truth is good enough I guess. – Watson

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The Bishops Seek Recovery Published: January 9, 2004 ARTICLE TOOLS E-Mail This Article Printer-Friendly Format Most E-Mailed Articles TIMES NEWS TRACKER

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These are the very same criminals who spent decades hiding predatory pedophiles in the priesthood, shuffling them around and subverting the judicial process, and threatening or bribing victims.  Now they have the audacity to say that a marriage ceremony between two consenting adults is a "national tragedy"! Every one of the corrupt scumbags should be fired and forced to pay back taxes for every year they lived tax-free under the shelter of the "Holy Church." Mass. Bishops Bewail Gay Marriage Ruling Sat Nov 29, 2003 By STEVE LeBLANC, Associated Press Writer BOSTON – Massachusetts’ Roman Catholic bishops are telling parishioners that a state court decision supporting gay marriage is a "national tragedy" that could "erode even further the institution of marriage." In a strongly worded letter to be read at Mass this weekend, the bishops also said the Supreme Judicial Court’s mid-May deadline for the Legislature to rewrite marriage laws to provide benefits for gay couples is too rushed. The bishops, among the leading opponents of the ruling, urged parishioners "to contact the governor and their state legislators to urge them to find a way to give our citizens more time to deal with this issue." Boston Archbishop Sean P. O’Malley and Bishops Thomas Dupre, Daniel P. Reilly and George Coleman also complained that the state high court ruling promotes "divisions in society by villainizing as bigotry the legitimate defense of thousands of years of tradition. "Marriage is a gift of God … it is not just one lifestyle among many," the bishops wrote in the letter, which was published in the Boston Archdiocese’s newspaper, The Pilot. Gary Buseck, executive director of Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders, said the letter’s language disappointed him. "I don’t think the court villainizes anyone. The Roman Catholic Church is being very clever to try to cast themselves as the victim here," Buseck said. David Wilson, one of the plaintiffs in the case that led to the ruling, said the bishops are confusing civil and religious marriage. The court ruling will not require any religion to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies. State Rep. Philip Travis, who supports amending the state constitution to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman, said the May deadline won’t change unless the court re-enters the case. The earliest such an amendment could go to voters is November 2006. A spokeswoman for Gov. Mitt Romney, who also supports the proposed amendment, declined comment on Saturday. Charles Nemo http://members.aol.com/ChasNemo/index.html "Nemo is the Wal-Mart of the dark side, the one-stop superstore for everything ugly, from Satanism to Nazi occultism to serial killers." ~Forbidden Internet Magazine #1 (May 2001)

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