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 Passion – fire infernal  Reaching angelic heights.  Each moment in love feels eternal,  Burning coal – to make light.  Each moment – felt absolutely  Hell and heaven – and all beween.  Universe sensed most acutely,  Reconstituted – as in a dream.  Rearranged – mind and feeling,  Together brought into heights.  The fiery depths of the world revealing,  Bringing lava into the light.  Turn toward me – I’m your Pluto,  Be my Venus – and let us love.  Let us drink ourselves into stupor  On the essence and truth of life.  Let us come together and travel  And together let’s make a trail:  Path from hell into heaven  And from heaven into hell,  Freeing spirits trapped in false reason  So that they see the cosmic light  And allowing the divine wisdom  To inform all that lives inside.  Passion – fire infernal,  And then – we are apart.  Life is charred to its kernel,  Memory – knife through heart. Ilya Shambat

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THIS MADE ME CUM ALL OVER MYSELF AND I’M A GUY – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Passion – fire infernal  Reaching angelic heights.  Each moment in love feels eternal,  Burning coal – to make light.  Each moment – felt absolutely  Hell and heaven – and all beween.  Universe sensed most acutely,  Reconstituted – as in a dream.  Rearranged – mind and feeling,  Together brought into heights.  The fiery depths of the world revealing,  Bringing lava into the light.  Turn toward me – I’m your Pluto,  Be my Venus – and let us love.  Let us drink ourselves into stupor  On the essence and truth of life.  Let us come together and travel  And together let’s make a trail:  Path from hell into heaven  And from heaven into hell,  Freeing spirits trapped in false reason  So that they see the cosmic light  And allowing the divine wisdom  To inform all that lives inside.  Passion – fire infernal,  And then – we are apart.  Life is charred to its kernel,  Memory – knife through heart. Ilya Shambat

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Ilya: have you ever thought about writing a dreamtime sequel to this labor . It would be nice to see what happens after the meeting of heaven and hell for one thing. After the marriage of heaven and hell, and the birth of earth for instance, can you possibly elaborate on the offspring of this union? I’d personally like to see a dreamtime of this theme where the notion of life after death evaporates into a resignation towards the absurdity of such speculations.That would then be followed by a dreamtime theme where the actual characterization of another more balanced and harmonious life actually occurred in the wedding of heart and mind, creating an animated universe of dreams which would then be the eternal playground of youthful folly and aged scholarships. Specifically, I’d like to see you create artistically, a new universe formed from this dreamtime, where this world disappears like a breath of fresh air exhaled into the next oblivion, but the trick would be in writing from the third person already having transformed from this earthly plain unto the eternal realm of fiction and fancy,where never land exists in happy ever afters.It is the basic premise of this notion, of a communications between "NeverLand" and here that I think you would be most exquisite at inventing with your prose. Just a suggestion. The fantastic of course in realizing that this is real, and by these means you can and others have lived on in the imaginations of those whom have read their materials long after the original authors have passed into oblivion,and joined their stories in the hearts and minds of the living to whom they are left as a travel map for future generations as how to get from New Orleans to Santa Fe without getting lost ,or how to find the trail of the spanish bit when they do become disoriented. What I personally have been struggling with isn’t so much the surrender or defeat of faith or the extinguishing of dreams as the physical realiy of mortal cloth becomes more apparent, it is the ability to maintain a disbeleif within the mortal cloth ,while still actively striving to dispell that awareness in order to "CREATE" a vision which mutually incorporates the notion of failure with the ideal of conquest. It is this key element of friction between illusion and disillusion which motivates me to seek a harmoniuos balance between the two entities of existence.This struggle I recognize as the labor of fiction to imagine that balance of paradox,and move it onward towards a refinement or perfection.The stumbling block in this art form is to me apparently, the limitations of perception to allow perfection to continue to progress from the epitome of serene to the decay and manifestation of corruption.Perfection thus achieved in story, must be allowed to fail in order to maintain the cycle of the dream .This limitation of trying to mediate perfection into a permanent stasis which somehow remains constant without change or evolution to higher or lesser degrees ,and the dangers inherent in altering perfection is the fundamental allowance that invites faith, a far flung notion of invincibility. There in lies the crux of the matter concerning the fierce passion towards the notion of victory.By consumating the wedding feast between heaven and hell, and delivering the child of this union into earthly attire, we fix the bounds and meets of this notion into a semi permanent status of story.That in itself is the prison cell from which the prisoner of hope functions.Destroying the prison cell seems necessary in order for the story to progress and allows the devil to escape momentarily.Embracing the poor devil once he has escaped into the world, and bringing him back to reason is imho the real work of the spirit.By rescuing Old Nick from his/her own misconceptions of defeat, i.e. and then that old serpent the devil was cast down into the fiery abyss where the false prophet, the antichrist and the beast had already been flung along with Jezebel and their host of legions and demons from hell, where they are to be tormented forever and ever etal.. Explaining to Lucifer, Belzebub ,Satan , elToroDiablo, …that this fiery torment is in fact the relationship between the heart and mind of all living beings, that creates life, is a essential ommission of the story which causes it to founder on pretentious notions. Were the evil incarnate to realize the primary purpose of their genisis was to elaborate and expound upon the growing changing nature of discovery, they would then realize that this so called punishment and judgement was in fact the source of the Nile so to speak, that secret inclination where Saint John is left like Moses to wander around blindly for 40 years in the desert , and be denied entrance into heaven after such a long elaborate struggle.To open our eyes to the revelation that what Saint John and Moses were attempting to keep alive, by enduring this What is it to you if he lives until I return, only to discover that the Master never returns in fact? It was then that rumor went out that the one beloved wouldn’t die until the Master returned.The Master was in a sense Truth, whom had escaped the banality of reason by the use of temporal flights of fancy .That was the birth of the Lie which the world loves, and the advent of the first Vampire, which is to say, the result of life without death in and of itself without reason.Reasin restores death to us, and allows Gods Rest.These limits are a vehicle within which to rescue the error of misconception from the story.  This revelation in turn leads us to the fascination of fictions aspect.Inventing myths in order to teach and council a living audience beyond the boundaries of time and space allows us to facillitate that immortal notion of serenity.It is this serene place of sanctuary to which the wellspring of the human soul aspires.That is to me Gods Rest,and the source of the river of life.For here in the eternal peace of Gods Rest all things are possible, even the reconciling of Lucifer and Yahweh.This reconciliation abolishes Judgement and punishment,and restores the perfect order of Eden.It allows the division of life and death into to seperate but equal halves joined in perpetual harmony, rather than as adversaries, and it is this marriage which Romeo and Juliet so earnestly strive to reveal. Continuity is restored to the story as profane and sacrosanct details of oral tradition becoming convoluted , are remedied by the art of articulations.  Thus Lucifer in all his terrible rebellious nature becomes first Eve, in the pragmatic notion of mans origianl sin, the ideal of woman.As Man learns, and ascends from the temporal abyss of his knowledge to the refined understandings of circumstance, man takes upon himself the dlegated position of Eve, for love enforces upon his conscience a necessity to liberate the woman from the bonds of hs own mental failings. Thus love in th end is the motivator of the story, but not the truth of the matter.The truth is love must be subordinate to Truth.It is this teaching which gives rise to respect, and thereby the awareness of humility.AHHH! The key to the Kingdom, and so the Holy Bible which possesses everything in creation good and bad is symbolically cast into the Lake of Fire which is our Heart.But the knowledge of good and evil that becomes our mind rebels against this ,and resists delivering te information gleaned from experience , and attempts to conceal these tidbits of discovery from the heart out of fear or ignorance.  This then leads to the aspiration of the body to render a wholistic device by which the heart may attain this necessary information for its liberation in order to share equally with the mind in the altered state of undertanding that experience renders.    Resolution of this conflict is achieved through the act of faith.Doubt is the dividing line between life nd death, with hatred and fear as the adversaries to reason, staunchly defending the limitations of reason until the nature of mind and heart can be equivocated acceptably to both parties.It is this division which gives place for the intermediary third party of spirit, whom is elevated to the position of Observer.These three observers, Saint John, Moses and Christ make up a holy trinity combined in the person of Elijah,and instigated by the obscure beheading of John the Baptist. This Beheading is the second adam and eve, for like the first adam and eve were formed from the bone of my bone flesh of my flesh, so the second were formed from prayer of our prayer hope of our hope,and migrated from physical to an emotional realm.   The third adam and eve is the possibly the closing of these books.By closing the story ,in Gods Rest, as a permanent resting place the earth hell is transformed into heaven and salvation is achieved and maintained. But the maintenance of this earthly paradise is not found in the map that leads us to it, it has not been designed yet.This work was not assumed by the creator,but saved as a mutual effort of all that remains. This is to me the Book of LIfe, which is in fact our existence.This book of life, which is written in our hearts and minds has no room for false doctrines and partial notions of truth and meaning, but is instead endowed by experience genetically encoded upon the hearts and minds of the living. and communicated orally through song and verse even unto the departed or dead, and it is this song which liberates fear and hope expelling the defeat of reason which the lie causes amongst the living.   By breaking the molds of articulation and allowing ebb and flow to incorporate into the stories, the notion of permanenece diminishes into the practical ideal of oblivion.Here is where we then find salvations redeeming model.For in mediating the impregnable wall of human ignorance we discover how fragile the fabric of veneer of delusion truly is, and this leads us ot question why such a delicate condition of fallacy is so mercilessly … read more »

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I like this one Ilya, I can resonate with it — meltdarok http://hometown.aol.com/meltdarok/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Passion – fire infernal Reaching angelic heights. Each moment in love feels eternal, Burning coal – to make light. Each moment – felt absolutely Hell and heaven – and all beween. Universe sensed most acutely, Reconstituted – as in a dream. Rearranged – mind and feeling, Together brought into heights. The fiery depths of the world revealing, Bringing lava into the light. Turn toward me – I’m your Pluto, Be my Venus – and let us love. Let us drink ourselves into stupor On the essence and truth of life. Let us come together and travel And together let’s make a trail: Path from hell into heaven And from heaven into hell, Freeing spirits trapped in false reason So that they see the cosmic light And allowing the divine wisdom To inform all that lives inside. Passion – fire infernal, And then – we are apart. Life is charred to its kernel, Memory – knife through heart. Ilya Shambat

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A Jewish psychologist "told" me that a repetitive mental broadcast is more kosher. I, as a Roman Catholic, tell you that psychiatry and law enforcement are anathema professions. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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A Jew can be an atheist. Sometimes they’re more kosher than Jewish witches or Jewish pagans. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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1. Theologically speaking, how much does it matter to be heterosexual? 2. If I had struggled, would I have lost? 3. Do cops always have bullets for their guns? 4. Are your bullets better than theirs? 5. What other toys did they loan you? Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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French = Latin Klingon – Gay version. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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I’m not retarded. I’m not mentally ill. I don’t like your labels. I don’t like your lies. You can’t. I can. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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1. Why would a person lie about his age? 2. Have I ever been drunk? 3. Do you like HTV? 4. Must you see me to read this? 5. Are you a poet? Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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1. If you become Hispanic, should you keep your surname? 2. Does God require you to be Hispanic? 3. Did you choose to be a white supremist? 4. Will Andy ever become a white man? 5. Am I a white man? Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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1. Would Damodara make a good bishop? 2. Should knowledge and soundess of mind be requirements for the Roman Catholic priesthood? 3. Is the Baker Act illegal? 4. Did you knowingly break the law? 5. Does ignorance of the law excuse you from a crime? Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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1. Should a priest deal with criminals differently than a cop does? 2. Can a priest be a criminal? 3. Can a deeper friendship endure more errors? 4. Are most Americans shallow? 5. Is your script better than you are? Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Hispanics are more concerned with goodness than with race. A racist is often not a good person. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Pagan. Whore. Sales. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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When the wise man scuffled, so did the intellectuals. There was an overlap in the breach. Some wise men are smarter than others are. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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My dad is slightly shorter than I am. He isn’t as smart as I am. I avoid telling him that. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Character class. Level. Attributes. Five-eyed nature. Mandalla. Texas. Belt. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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John is a white supremist. He has a head and two arms. He’s shorter than I am. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Psychic healing. Typography. Laying on of the hands. Pat on the shoulder. Kiss on the forehead. Cunninglingus. Abortion. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Teeter Totter. Stormy Sea. SOLIDIFY. THE END OF ALL EVIL. BLOOD LIBEL. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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1. How much do you pay for your internet service? 2. How old is Lisa Karate? 3. Does Lisa Karate mind going homeless? 4. Have things changed in world events in the last five years? 5. Does my father look better in a mustache? Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Blood libel = Revenge, often lethal. THOROUGH. ANATHEMA PROFESSIONS. JUST WAR. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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1. Were most of Christ’s original Apostles Jewish? 2. Did Christ have any brothers? 3. Was Saint Joseph Christ’s real father? 4. Do you believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God? 5. Should the Apostle Thomas have felt what he didn’t see with his eyes? Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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1. Can your discomfort make you ill? 2. Do you expect me to smile? 3. What is the nature of the Urtiz bloodline? 4. Have you ever killed a goat? 5. Have you ever seen the TV show "Bonanza"? Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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1. Is "Thugs in Uniform" a cute nickname for cops? 2. Can an outlaw be romantic? 3. Do you like wearing belts? 4. Can wearing boots blister your feet? 5. Did any centurians convert to Christianity? Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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1. Did you ever play Cormano? 2. Is social teching illegal? 3. Could social teching classify as fraud? 4. What are some of the characteristics of a social tech? 5. What do the Gestapo and modern cops have in common? Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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1. Can laughter make you invulnerable? 2. What is Shannon Egan’s IQ? 3. Can IQ be played as a script? 4. Are you an actor? 5. Who built your computer? Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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1. Is chronology an element of your destiny? 2. Did you have the gun before I said I wouldn’t mind carrying one? 3. Could a happy gun melee be less painful? 4. Can excessive pain make you go into shock? 5. Can shock and convulsions be somewhat of a medical myth? Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Mostly the visage and the method. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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It’s just a menu. I plan to travel light. Plan. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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1. Can feigning a death be fraudulent? 2. Are mistakes always fraudulent? 3. Who approves a new Pope? 4. Should body type be a characteristic of a Pope or bishop? 5. Can a dying man earn the papacy? Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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I’m more Chinese than your cousin Guido is. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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I am in America because I don’t like America. I am proud to say I have never voted in my entire life. I will not partake of state idiocy and dirty votes. Lorraine Donegan once gave me a book as a gift. It was about some Democrat politician, who was probably a left-winger. I sold it on Half.com and didn’t read it. It had a gist of negativity. I should have thrown it in the trash. I might have poisoned the idiot I sold it to with it.

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A lawyer should not be allowed to act on the behalf of a client without his or her knowledge or consent. Such misuses of the law sometimes have a condescending nature and should be punished by debarring or a lawsuit by a third party.

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COMMANDMENT.

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Cruel and unusual punishment.

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Do not flim up on religion. You shouldn’t have to. If they expect you to, kill them.

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When the WebTV unit is running, I can sometimes feel your "pull".

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When I was younger, I used to like reading mythologies. I read quite a few of the Greek and Roman myths, but I also had an appreciation for the Norse myths. Their philosophy was often very different from the typical Christian philosophy of prioritizing "goodness". To them, at least from my understanding of it, strength was usually of greater import than goodness. If someone knows otherwise, feel free to correct me. I often admired the Norse outlook of perseverance. Odin knew from the beginning that most of the Aesir, or gods, would perish at the hands of the ice giants in the final battle, the Ragnarok. I was often mistaken and thought *all* of the Aesir would be destroyed (how gloomy!), but 7 of them survived. Trivia question: Who are these seven Aesir? P.S. What the hell does this have to do with sz?

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"Dan" <wwwayfa…@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:780dc989.0209101748.67b01da7@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When I was younger, I used to like reading mythologies. I read quite a > few of the Greek and Roman myths, but I also had an appreciation for > the Norse myths. Their philosophy was often very different from the > typical Christian philosophy of prioritizing "goodness". To them, at > least from my understanding of it, strength was usually of greater > import than goodness. If someone knows otherwise, feel free to correct > me. > I often admired the Norse outlook of perseverance. Odin knew from the > beginning that most of the Aesir, or gods, would perish at the hands > of the ice giants in the final battle, the Ragnarok. I was often > mistaken and thought *all* of the Aesir would be destroyed (how > gloomy!), but 7 of them survived. > Trivia question: Who are these seven Aesir? > P.S. What the hell does this have to do with sz?

What amazes me is the close contact they had with the Gods in Ancient Greece.  The Gods were visible and talked to them.  What makes this any more or less true than the Bible?  And in another faith, Krishna from what I understand was a renowned LOVER!  All these different Gods and different Faiths.  Maybe they are all true, maybe none of them are, but surely there must be some basis of truth in all of them.  Who is to say that the one God in the Bible is any more true than the many Gods of Ancient Greece or the one God Krishna? Maybe they are all just clues……………

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"white shadow" <white.sha…@barrytown.com> wrote in message <news:xGNf9.2338$XE6.149837@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>… > must be some basis of truth in all of them.  Who is to say that the one God > in the Bible is any more true than the many Gods of Ancient Greece or the > one God Krishna? > Maybe they are all just clues……………

I think God has many mainfestations. But one thing I don’t think God ever is, is evil.

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>I think God has many mainfestations. But one thing I don’t think God >ever is, is evil.

"If there is a god, he is the devil."  Baudelaire

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I heard religions described as pointing fingers. Like…Pointing the way. And they all point toward "God". or the absolute" or the "Real" etc. And that many folks confuse God with the finger. And Many folks confuse the finger with God. The Goal is not the finger. Damo http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MyStoryasIseeit

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My computer confuses shortcuts with missing links. <damod…@webtv.net> wrote in message

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icmptunnel…@aol.com (ICMP tunneling) wrote in message <news:20020913062527.05033.00003585@mb-mk.aol.com>… > >I think God has many mainfestations. But one thing I don’t think God > >ever is, is evil. > "If there is a god, he is the devil."  Baudelaire

Your God may be the devil, mine isn’t. Exactly what religion are you anyway?

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Roman Catholic = Holiest of the Holies + Guard tower + 2301. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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The cops are all excommunicated. They’re trespassing. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Crap.

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From Christianity to Islam – A Journey of Faith By Tara Dooley, Chicago Tribune In retrospect, Carole Sturm traces her conversion to Islam to a prayer she uttered as a 15-year-old in a Roman Catholic church. It was the appeal of a spiritual teenager, raised in the church, the plea of a young woman who believed in God but struggled with the Catholic mysteries of faith and forgiveness. "I said, `God, show me what this

My name is Tahir and this is my journey from Islam to Christianity. Soon after arriving in the United States from Palestine 14 years ago, I married a nice Christian girl. She tried to become a Muslim to please me, but the more she did, the more I turned away from her. We had a child together, but the marriage didn

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The Mission. vs. Red Dawn. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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I am a tenant of the world God created. Respect travellers. Trespass is not travel. God might prefer order. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Como el vidrio estrellado, puede ser bonito. No ay perfecto en el mundo. Lo tenemos que ayar en el Cielo. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Boracho. Menso. Trabajador. Valiente. Dinero. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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No one belongs in Alpine Villas anymore. Including my mother. I am the heir to her estate. But I want freedom more than I want to be her heir. I don’t like her or my sister. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Soy de otra causa. No es causa solamente de familia. Mi padre es buen persona, pero es muy metiche y muy menso. Puede ser peligroso. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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El centro no es INRI. Es como soldado. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Boots. vs. Horseback. Traditions. vs. Dispensations. Celibacy. vs. Feminism. Property. vs. Share. Ministers. vs. Mothers. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Hawaii Five-O. Magnum P.I. Buck Rogers. Wanted: Dead or Alive. Batman. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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NEW HAWAII. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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KISSES ON THE FOREHEAD. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Hansel and Gretal. The Tortoise and the Hare. The Ugly Duckling. Gulliver’s Travels. The Frog Prince. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Disgrace. Travel. Swap meet. Anathema. San Luis Obispo. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Fonz. vs. Cute. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Deaconate. vs. Irish. Droppers. vs. Knockers. Lessons in Significance. vs. Papal Mass. Why are you looking? vs. Why are you hiding? Don’t touch me. vs. Personal sacrilege. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Extinction. vs. Ascension. Take them down. vs. Top Gun. Pale Rider. vs. Death Rides a Horse. Boots. vs. Horseback. Awards. vs. Cross guards. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Five. Jewish Roman Catholic. Small bed. Rest. New Hawaii. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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SOLDIER OF CHRIST. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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BLOOD LIBEL. VS. FORGIVENESS. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Poverty. vs. Everybody mania. Sober. vs. Valente Anguiano. Permanent defrocks. vs. Leniency. Saint Thomas Acquinas. vs. Saint Juan Diego. Guards and Dishwashers. vs. Doctors and Lawyers. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Hunt. Death penalty. Killer. Black. Underestimate. Fanatic. Holy Orders. Spiritual theft. Church militant. Anathema. Soldier of Christ. Machista.

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Almost all. Kop killer. Soldier saint. White witch. God gestalt.

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Roman Catholic Church vs. To Reign in Hell. Kill the Anglos, before they kill you. It is convenient for evil to latch onto evil, under the guise of forgiving it. A movie: – Children of the Corn. – Lord of the Flies.

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It was before and it could again. Your mind is off limits.

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I think they’re more inclined to stealing their way into heaven than interested in earning God’s favor. The thing that could be is not expressed.

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Horror > Pornography > Drugs. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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The Stations of the Cross, numerology, and INRI. Perhaps just five. Drop the Annointing of the Sick and Confirmation. Don’t take your medicine. Ever again. Home remedies. vs. Weird moms. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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TO REIGN IN HELL. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Knowledge, home remedies, and B.S. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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the son found her in the attic

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Neo Catholic Church. vs. Roman Catholic Church. Hispanics. vs. Italian. Pope John Paul II. vs. White supremists. Privacy. vs. Trespass. Cards. vs. Sosa. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Lisa Karate eh uh! Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Adherence. Library. Trash Santa. Phone calls. California Men’s Colonies. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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I believe in private property. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Spanish > Latin > Italian. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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If you don’t believe in cops, you’re not likely to believe in prisions. I don’t believe the white status quo is earned, even if it was earned historically. Dirty football. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Proving that might be impossible. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Ankles. Folds. Smell. Sweet. Heterosexual. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Lois. vs. Mason. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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The new Pope. Fashion. White supremists. Demi Moore. Carpenters. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Leopoldo Urtiz. vs. Pablo Urtiz. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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The new Pope. Italian Rennaisance. Expect. Five. Grease. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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The new Pope. Smooth. Italian. Neo Catholic Church. Pope John Paul II. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Guest pass. Order. Cards. Wallet. Emperor Constantine. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Sometimes people become outlaws because cops play rough. Good chaotic is an alignment in RPG’s. Allura script. vs. Tattoo parlor. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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Impossible. Guards. Checkmate. The new Pope. Name. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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I prefer you not go in the seat, sweetie. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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4 door, trunk space, oxygen

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Cops can play rough. But so can outlaws. Daniel Urtiz ———- "Know thyself." — Socrates.

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It is none of your fucking business.

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Go away.  Thanks.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF YOUR LIFE This is the most important question of your life. The question is: Are you saved? It is not a question of how good you are, nor if you are a church member, but are you saved? Are you sure you will go to Heaven when you die? The reason some people don’t know for sure if they are going to Heaven when they die is because they just don’t know. The good news is that you can know for sure that you are going to Heaven. The Holy Bible describes Heaven as a beautiful place with no death, sorrow, sickness or pain. God tells us in the Holy Bible how simple it is to be saved so that we can live forever with Him in Heaven. "For if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9) Over 2000 years ago God came from Heaven to earth in the person of Jesus Christ to shed His blood and die on a cross to pay our sin debt in full. Jesus Christ was born in Israel supernaturally to a virgin Jewish woman named Mary and lived a sinless life for thirty-three years. At the age of thirty-three Jesus was scourged and had a crown of thorns pressed onto His head then Jesus was crucified. Three days after Jesus died on a cross and was placed in a grave He rose from the dead as He said would happen before He died. If someone tells you that they are going to die and then three days later come back to life and it actually happens then this person must be the real deal. Jesus Christ is the only person that ever lived a perfect sinless life. This is why Jesus is able to cover our sins(misdeeds) with His own blood because Jesus is sinless. The Holy Bible says, "In Him(Jesus) we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins…" (Ephesians 1:7) If you would like God to forgive you of your past, present and future sins just ask Jesus Christ to be your Lord and Saviour. It doesn’t matter how old you are or how many bad things that you have done in your life including lying and stealing all the way up to murder. Just pray the prayer below with your mouth and mean it from your heart and God will hear you and save you. Dear Jesus Christ, I want to be saved so that I can have a home in Heaven with You when I die. I agree with You that I am a sinner. I believe that You love me and want to save me. I believe that You bled and died on the cross to pay the penalty for my sins and that You rose from the dead. Please forgive my sins and come into my heart and be my Lord and Saviour. Thanks Lord Jesus Christ for forgiving me and saving me through Your merciful grace. Amen. Welcome to the family of God if you just allowed God to save you. Now you are a real Christian and you can know for sure that you will live in Heaven forever when this life comes to an end. As a child of God we are to avoid sin(wrongdoing), but if you do sin the Holy Bible says, "My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense Jesus Christ, the Righteous One." Those of you that have not yet decided to place your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ may never get another chance to do so because you do not know when you will die. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no one can come to the Father(God)(in Heaven), but by me." (John 14:6) This means that if you die without trusting in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour you will die in your sins and be forever separated from the love of God in a place called Hell. The Holy Bible descibes Hell as a place of eternal torment, suffering, pain and agony for all those who have rejected Jesus Christ. The good news is that you can avoid Hell by allowing Jesus Christ to save you today. Only then will you have true peace in your life knowing that no matter what happens you are on your way to Heaven. Praise the Lord! Servant of the Lord Jesus Christ Ronald L. Grossi * Show this to your family and friends so they can also be saved. * This message may get deleted so you may want to print a copy. * Just press the [Ctrl][P] keys on your keyboard to print this page. [Please Visit These Excellent Websites] Free Video http://fathersloveletter.com/fllpreviewlarge.html Free Jesus Videos http://www.jesusvideo.org/videos/index.php Free Movie: To Hell and Back http://www.tbn.org/index.php/8/1.html Other Languages http://www.godssimpleplan.org/gsps.html The Passion Of The Christ http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com Beware Of Cults http://www.carm.org/cults/cult_list.htm About Hell http://www.equip.org/free/DH198.htm Is Jesus God? http://www.powertochange.com/questions/qna2.html Free Online Bible http://www.biblegateway.com

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<HHIss…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:1116517168.415012.116270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com… > As Vote Nears, DeLay Attacks Bill Expanding Stem Cell Research

DeLay’s a total asshole, of course.  But I think that on the issue of stem cell research the states will gradually follow CA’s example and decide to go ahead without Fed funding.  The US can hardly afford to be left out of the potential bonanza that this presents.  Whether there will be any usable results in our lifetimes is iffy, but obviously the research should and will go forward.

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I totally agree. Also, it is impossible to keep poltical issues outside our discussions, because it is politics that takes (or tries to take) decisions that are potentially affecting us. If politics does not spare us, how can we  avoid politics. Jan "Anthony" <jaw…@nospam.aol.com> wrote in message

news:AOedndsk8NqQYRHfRVn-sg@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <HHIss…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1116517168.415012.116270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com… >> As Vote Nears, DeLay Attacks Bill Expanding Stem Cell Research > DeLay’s a total asshole, of course.  But I think that on the issue of stem > cell research the states will gradually follow CA’s example and decide to > go ahead without Fed funding.  The US can hardly afford to be left out of > the potential bonanza that this presents.  Whether there will be any > usable results in our lifetimes is iffy, but obviously the research should > and will go forward.

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<HHIss…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:1116517168.415012.116270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Note: Is this guy for real ? Now this ? Maybe it’s a question of that > some guys want things to stay the same and not have the boat rocked so > they continue to have the so-called "preconceived" power that’s > basically based on a certain "mindset", right ? Now repeat after me, > "DeLay must go! clap! clap! clap! Delay must go! clap! clap! clap!…" > As Vote Nears, DeLay Attacks Bill Expanding Stem Cell Research > By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG > Published: May 19, 2005 > WASHINGTON, May 18 – With a vote on embryonic stem cell research > expected as early as next week, the House majority leader vowed on > Wednesday to defeat a measure that would expand federal financing of > the science.

Lets wait untill Korea and some other countries are so far ahead of us that we will never catch up. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Once people understand the issue," said the majority leader, > Representative Tom DeLay of Texas, "more than 70 percent are against > embryonic stem cell research." > Mr. DeLay said there would be votes on two competing measures. One, > sponsored by Representative Michael N. Castle, Republican of Delaware, > would loosen restrictions that President Bush imposed in August 2001 on > federal financing of such research. The other, sponsored by > Representative Christopher H. Smith, Republican of New Jersey, would > encourage research on a different type of stem cell, drawn from > umbilical cord blood, by creating a national network of cord-blood > banks. > Mr. DeLay told reporters that he was "adamantly opposed" to the Castle > bill, which has 201 co-sponsors from both parties; 218 votes are > required for approval. Mr. Smith’s measure, which Mr. DeLay supports, > has 41 co-sponsors. > Because embryonic stem cells have the potential to give rise to any > cell or tissue in the body, scientists and patients’ advocates say the > research offers great prospects for treatments and cures. But to obtain > the cells, scientists must destroy human embryos, and so the research > also draws intense opposition, particularly from conservatives and the > Roman Catholic Church. > Mr. Bush’s policy permits the federal government to pay for studies > only on those colonies, called lines, of stem cells that were created > prior to his 2001 announcement, so as not to encourage the further > destruction of embryos. The Castle bill, similar to one sponsored in > the Senate by Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, would roll > back that restriction, permitting the creation of new lines from > embryos that would otherwise be discarded by fertility clinics.

The government has no business telling researchers how to do research. Well at least not like this. Of coarse certain safety standards and health hazards must be watched. But letting a church group decide that we can’t do research is insane. > The issue prompted intense debate Wednesday within the Republican > caucus, which met behind closed doors in late afternoon to discuss it. > Some Republicans were seething over a poll conducted by the Winston > Group and partly financed by the Republican Main Street Partnership, a > group of moderates. Mr. Castle is the partnership’s president. > The survey questioned voters in 13 Republican districts and found that > 66 percent supported embryonic stem cell research, while 27 percent > were opposed. But lawmakers in those districts, including > Representative Roy Blunt of Missouri, the third-ranking Republican in > the House, were not told about the poll and were caught off guard by > it.

Those darn fact thingies always gettin in the way of a good snow job. > Mr. Blunt emerged tight-lipped from Wednesday’s meeting, brushing aside > questions from supporters, except to say that he did not support Mr. > Castle’s bill. > As the vote draws closer, interest groups on both sides are gearing up. > In addition to its poll, the Republican Main Street Partnership has > begun running television advertisements in support of the Castle > measure. But the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops released > a competing poll saying a majority of Americans, 52 percent, opposed > embryonic stem cell research while just 36 percent supported it.

Hmm let me guess they questioned a group of people whos names they got off a catholic church membership list. > On Wednesday, Cardinal William H. Keeler of Baltimore, the American > bishops’ chief representative on abortion, sent a letter to all members > of Congress saying the Castle bill would encourage large-scale > destruction of human embryos, which the church regards as human beings.

That would be the left over embryos from fertility clinics. They are normally thrown away. I wonder how many embryos the good cardinal has adopted or placed in homes. > "I urge you in the strongest possible terms," Cardinal Keeler wrote, > "to oppose all destructive and morally offensive proposals of this > kind."

And can we please get back our old maps. I’m tired of people telling me the world isn’t flat.

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<HHIss…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:1116533806.001315.154490@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com… > It’s you that’s bringing politics into this group. I didn’t say > anything about politics. If you came into that assumption, then it’s > you that looking at things from a partisan point of view, not me.

I’ll tell ya what. It is politics. So what! This is a political issue that affects lots of us. I am deaf (in one ear) because of nerve damage. One of the most promising areas of stem cell research is in repairing nerves. The idea that a bunch of politicians are not allowing research, or limiting research just so they can grab a few (extra) votes pisses me off no end. I say we spend 86 billion dollars on stem cell rersearch and leave Iraq alone. > I, has an hearing impaired individual that wants to hear better, have > the right to have issues with those that are against something, in this > case, the stem cells research, that would help the hearing-impaired to > hear better. > I didn’t say anything about supporting one party over another. I’d have > had the same beef with DeLay if he had been a Democrat.

You go! > The fact that some of you have responded to my posting in a certain way > shows some of your true colors. That’s it’s you that perceiving these > things from a political point of view out of an habit that you don’t > even realize it…

Oh you must be one of dem dare libruls. I’ll bet ya gots pink flowers in your garden and a commie flag in your garage.

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It’s you that’s bringing politics into this group. I didn’t say anything about politics. If you came into that assumption, then it’s you that looking at things from a partisan point of view, not me. I, has an hearing impaired individual that wants to hear better, have the right to have issues with those that are against something, in this case, the stem cells research, that would help the hearing-impaired to hear better. I didn’t say anything about supporting one party over another. I’d have had the same beef with DeLay if he had been a Democrat. The fact that some of you have responded to my posting in a certain way shows some of your true colors. That’s it’s you that perceiving these things from a political point of view out of an habit that you don’t even realize it…

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Note: Is this guy for real ? Now this ? Maybe it’s a question of that some guys want things to stay the same and not have the boat rocked so they continue to have the so-called "preconceived" power that’s basically based on a certain "mindset", right ? Now repeat after me, "DeLay must go! clap! clap! clap! Delay must go! clap! clap! clap!…" As Vote Nears, DeLay Attacks Bill Expanding Stem Cell Research By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG Published: May 19, 2005 WASHINGTON, May 18 – With a vote on embryonic stem cell research expected as early as next week, the House majority leader vowed on Wednesday to defeat a measure that would expand federal financing of the science. "Once people understand the issue," said the majority leader, Representative Tom DeLay of Texas, "more than 70 percent are against embryonic stem cell research." Mr. DeLay said there would be votes on two competing measures. One, sponsored by Representative Michael N. Castle, Republican of Delaware, would loosen restrictions that President Bush imposed in August 2001 on federal financing of such research. The other, sponsored by Representative Christopher H. Smith, Republican of New Jersey, would encourage research on a different type of stem cell, drawn from umbilical cord blood, by creating a national network of cord-blood banks. Mr. DeLay told reporters that he was "adamantly opposed" to the Castle bill, which has 201 co-sponsors from both parties; 218 votes are required for approval. Mr. Smith’s measure, which Mr. DeLay supports, has 41 co-sponsors. Because embryonic stem cells have the potential to give rise to any cell or tissue in the body, scientists and patients’ advocates say the research offers great prospects for treatments and cures. But to obtain the cells, scientists must destroy human embryos, and so the research also draws intense opposition, particularly from conservatives and the Roman Catholic Church. Mr. Bush’s policy permits the federal government to pay for studies only on those colonies, called lines, of stem cells that were created prior to his 2001 announcement, so as not to encourage the further destruction of embryos. The Castle bill, similar to one sponsored in the Senate by Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, would roll back that restriction, permitting the creation of new lines from embryos that would otherwise be discarded by fertility clinics. The issue prompted intense debate Wednesday within the Republican caucus, which met behind closed doors in late afternoon to discuss it. Some Republicans were seething over a poll conducted by the Winston Group and partly financed by the Republican Main Street Partnership, a group of moderates. Mr. Castle is the partnership’s president. The survey questioned voters in 13 Republican districts and found that 66 percent supported embryonic stem cell research, while 27 percent were opposed. But lawmakers in those districts, including Representative Roy Blunt of Missouri, the third-ranking Republican in the House, were not told about the poll and were caught off guard by it. Mr. Blunt emerged tight-lipped from Wednesday’s meeting, brushing aside questions from supporters, except to say that he did not support Mr. Castle’s bill. As the vote draws closer, interest groups on both sides are gearing up. In addition to its poll, the Republican Main Street Partnership has begun running television advertisements in support of the Castle measure. But the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops released a competing poll saying a majority of Americans, 52 percent, opposed embryonic stem cell research while just 36 percent supported it. On Wednesday, Cardinal William H. Keeler of Baltimore, the American bishops’ chief representative on abortion, sent a letter to all members of Congress saying the Castle bill would encourage large-scale destruction of human embryos, which the church regards as human beings. "I urge you in the strongest possible terms," Cardinal Keeler wrote, "to oppose all destructive and morally offensive proposals of this kind."

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