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Caprinardo Delirio wrote: > PLEASE!! show me where it says this? I have been looking.. and I have almost > memorized the entire bible.. and cannot find a reference to this … An > EXACT reference.. not something that could be distorted to mean this. > AND.. You have said it yourself "PEOPLE ARE STUPID" Do you really think > that if they BELIEVED that jesus was the son of god that they would have > done what they did? NO. They did it because they didnt believe.. pretty much > the theme of the bible = have faith.. believe. > They didnt believe. > 
kim
kim, are you "born-again"? have you been baptized and saved? like what Sister Sandie said, you have to accept Jesus Christ as your personal lord and savior for God to accept you into the kingdom of Heaven. I don’t believe, when everything is all said and done, that people will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. I think the Lake of Fire was reserved only for Satan and his daemons. All non-believers will go to the "outer darkness", which I interprets as "nothingness", in the ‘void’. So they will cease to exist! If you are already a atheist, then you already believe in the "nothingness" after death. Jesus Christ is the Son of God! I believe that God will send a "great Delusion" on this earth soon and many people will be "deluded", but NOT deceived! For they are deceivers yet true! <alphacat twitches and scratches>
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> What if the very thought of hurting of harming the Son of God in any way > is > so ABHORRENT that you can’t just believe what is said in the Bible is > possible and consider it some kind of sick joke?
Before I became medicated, I thought my life was so ‘abstractly parallel’ to the bible, that I knew the bible must be a sort of sick joke. Like I am the second coming. Get Real. Now f**ing way. "He’s not the messiah, he’s a naughty, naughty boy". But all my sensations pointed to this. God was playing a big joke on me. Then there was the symbolic crucifixtion (which culminated at the locked psyche ward). That was no fun either. Then there is reincarnation. For me it’s like, if I was a reincarnated form, I would leave myself clues about the way things actually are, so in my deepest darkest hour, I would have some comfort, some certainty. Well for me what better way transmit them to my future self but in the bible, in the TV, in the Radio. My name is James, and James is a name rich in religous references. "And he was called a friend of God". My Catholic confirmation name is Daniel, another name rich religous significance. King James version my a**…
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Hi Michelle, Kpo of Borg wrote: > And it also says that a load of people will be thrown into a bottomless pit > and scream in torment forever.
The word translated ‘torment’ (for example in Rev. 20:10) means being under a condition of restraint. It was used in the context of jailers (who at times do torment/torture prisoners) so it simply means they (Satan and his followers) cannot escape from that condition of restraint; they will be, in a sense, imprisoned. The "lake of fire" that Satan is thrown into is shown a couple of verses later to mean, or symbolize, the "second death" (that from which no resurrection is possible). Death *itself* is also said to be *thrown into* the lake of fire, to be destroyed. Death is not a thing that can be literally burned, but is a condition. So obviously this "lake of fire" is used in an illustrative way, as a symbol of obliteration. Those who figuratively go into the "lake of fire" simply will not any longer exist, but will undergo the "second death". *No one* will suffer forever; death is unconsciousness. God wishes no one to be destroyed. Yet because we all have free will, it’s possible that some will choose deliberately to oppose God. > You may look forward to the end of death and cures and all that stuff, you > must consider yourself "saved".
I can’t presume that. I don’t know what tests and trials are ahead of me, nor how I will fare. "Let him who thinks he is standing beware lest he fall." I look forward to the end of death etc. in the sense that I hope and pray to see that day. > But what if you cannot believe that anyone would harm a hair on the head of > Jesus, what if you just CANNOT in any way accept it to be possible that a > species would mock the Son of God, jeer Him, torture Him and then nail him > up on a cross AFTER He was prophesied AND He performed miracles. > What if the very thought of hurting of harming the Son of God in any way is > so ABHORRENT that you can’t just believe what is said in the Bible is > possible and consider it some kind of sick joke?
Then I would say that you are wonderfully idealistic, sensitive and caring person who apparently has a deep love for Jesus, a man who was innocent, yet he suffered. This world is a hard place for any of us to live in, but I know it causes you exceptional pain to realize that this unspeakable world exists in our reality. It is that same world that Jesus tells us to limit our involvement with. Yet it is the human family living in that world that Jesus loved enough to courageously die for, so that we can follow him on the path to eternal life. I pray that by God’s grace we will all be in Paradise. > And I don’t want an answer to this Sandie, quoting a load of scriptures. > I know the Truth thanks.
I didn’t quote any scriptures, Michelle, but I hope that the clarifications helped. Sorry if any of my words upset you. I wish you a peaceful day, my good friend. Sandie
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<<And it also says that a load of people will be thrown into a bottomless pit and scream in torment forever.>> PLEASE!! show me where it says this? I have been looking.. and I have almost memorized the entire bible.. and cannot find a reference to this … An EXACT reference.. not something that could be distorted to mean this. AND.. You have said it yourself "PEOPLE ARE STUPID" Do you really think that if they BELIEVED that jesus was the son of god that they would have done what they did? NO. They did it because they didnt believe.. pretty much the theme of the bible = have faith.. believe. They didnt believe. kim
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news:1123733141.209971.285860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Revelation, scripture verses > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > Revelation 21:3-4. "And I heard a loud voice from the throne say, > ‘Look! The tent of God will be with mankind, and he will reside with > them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. > And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no > more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be any more. The former > things have passed away’." > Another verse I like is at chapter 22, verses 1-2. "And he showed me a > river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne > of God and of the Lamb down the middle of its broad way. And on this > side of the river and on that side there were trees of life producing > twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month. And the leaves > of the trees were for the curing of the nations." > I certainly look forward to curing of illnesses, no more death, etc. > I know you find it too weird currently, but if you’re ever interested > in learning about Revelation in more detail, I’ll find some study > materials for you. >> there’s too much lame crap that you are asked to believe in in this world >> like astrology > All are distractions from the more important things. >> i guess christians are just normal people > Some, in some ways maybe. By definition of "normal" though, anyone who > truly tries to follow in the footsteps of Jesus Christ doesn’t fit into > the norms of general society of any time or place in this world. >> they can’t understand me any more than anyone else can > Understanding between people is imperfect, since we’re all individuals > who can’t absolutely experience another person’s perspective. I guess > we all feel misunderstood to some degree, at one time or another. It’s > part of the human condition, kez. > But the good part of that is that even imperfect understanding, when it > does happen, then feels like a gift. >> that’s why they all ignore me > Well I’m a Christian and I’m not ignoring you, spacemouse I hope > and pray tomorrow is a better day for you.
And it also says that a load of people will be thrown into a bottomless pit and scream in torment forever. You may look forward to the end of death and cures and all that stuff, you must consider yourself "saved". But what if you cannot believe that anyone would harm a hair on the head of Jesus, what if you just CANNOT in any way accept it to be possible that a species would mock the Son of God, jeer Him, torture Him and then nail him up on a cross AFTER He was prophesied AND He performed miracles. What if the very thought of hurting of harming the Son of God in any way is so ABHORRENT that you can’t just believe what is said in the Bible is possible and consider it some kind of sick joke? And I don’t want an answer to this Sandie, quoting a load of scriptures. I know the Truth thanks.
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christians don’t want to be my friend i am very disappointed i tried to be christian but i don’t believe in revelations i may be mad but revelations is more weird than me. it was probably written by a schizophrenic anyway it’s too weird to be a normal person there’s too much lame crap that you are asked to believe in in this world like astrology i guess christians are just normal people they can’t understand me any more than anyone else can that’s why they all ignore me — kez
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Hi kez, kez wrote: > christians don’t want to be my friend > i am very disappointed
Sorry to hear that. I know you’ve mentioned at least one Christian friend in the past. > i tried to be christian but i don’t believe in revelations > i may be mad but revelations is more weird than me. > it was probably written by a schizophrenic anyway > it’s too weird to be a normal person
Revelation was based on a vision given to John, and the action takes place in the last days of this world system. It’s highly symbolic, and like the book of Daniel, also refers to world powers now and throughout history, among other things. Some of it seems bizarre and scary, and you’re not the first person I’ve heard call Revelation weird. But when you learn what is behind the symbols in the "real world" today, it’s fascinating. Revelation brings hope for the future, and that is not bizarre but rather comforting. For example: Revelation, scripture verses ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Revelation 21:3-4. "And I heard a loud voice from the throne say, ‘Look! The tent of God will be with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be any more. The former things have passed away’." Another verse I like is at chapter 22, verses 1-2. "And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of its broad way. And on this side of the river and on that side there were trees of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the curing of the nations." I certainly look forward to curing of illnesses, no more death, etc. I know you find it too weird currently, but if you’re ever interested in learning about Revelation in more detail, I’ll find some study materials for you. > there’s too much lame crap that you are asked to believe in in this world > like astrology
All are distractions from the more important things. > i guess christians are just normal people
Some, in some ways maybe. By definition of "normal" though, anyone who truly tries to follow in the footsteps of Jesus Christ doesn’t fit into the norms of general society of any time or place in this world. > they can’t understand me any more than anyone else can
Understanding between people is imperfect, since we’re all individuals who can’t absolutely experience another person’s perspective. I guess we all feel misunderstood to some degree, at one time or another. It’s part of the human condition, kez. But the good part of that is that even imperfect understanding, when it does happen, then feels like a gift. > that’s why they all ignore me
Well I’m a Christian and I’m not ignoring you, spacemouse I hope and pray tomorrow is a better day for you. Take care, Sandie
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