Question:
Many people who in error, see Jesus as God, and not as The Son of God, are asking him to do for them, that which is not his work to do. Jesus Christ the Son of God, CAN NOT do the work (Healer, Deliverer, Provider etc) which is His God and Father’s work alone to do. God the Father has given His Son Jesus a position and a work to do, and to ask Jesus to do more than he is appointed to is wrong. Do you know what the "nail of Isaiah 22" means? How many people would know what this is refering too? All that our LORD God Almighty said of Eliakim, is what God said would be accomplished in and on the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ. Verses 21-23 of Isaiah 22. He like a nail shall be driven in. (As God has done.) "I will drive him in like a peg into a firm place", in other words God drove him into a position that God Himself appointed him to be in. He would be the seat of GOD’S HONOUR, for the house of his Father. This is speaking of the positioning of Christ by God. Acts 2:31-36 Now this is what Christ Jesus wants, to be the seat of honour for the house (John 14:1-2) of His God and Father. 1 Cor. 1:3, John 17:3. This is what Christ the Son of God has done and continues to do and This description of what was spoken of Eliakim (he was spoken of as a picture of Christ, as was Joshua in Zacheriah 3), is what would be the position and work of Christ Jesus the Son of God. We see in Revelation 1:13-15 what Daniel saw in Chap. 10:4-6, as does Revelation Chapters 2 and 3, which speak of Christ, who is to be the seat of honour for His God and Father. (He is). He was to build up his Father’s house. John 14:1, Eph. 2:19-22 but…… Isaiah 9:6 translated incorrectly from the Hebrew, which for many is the verse that is the springboard in declaring that Jesus is God, and this is the main reasons for the "load" on the nail. The Tenakh, the Hebrew Scriptures, quotes Isaiah 9:5-6 like this, V5. "For a child has been born to us a son has been given us and authority has settled on his shoulders he has been named (his name meaning this, NOTsaying that he is God) ’The Mighty God is planning grace ( God plans grace John 3:16, Isaiah 25:1) The Eternal Father a peaceable ruler’ – (God wants peace with us) V6, In token of abundant authority and of peace without limit upon the throne of David and his kingdom, that it may be firmly established in justice and in equity. Now and forever more. The zeal of the LORD of Hosts shall bring this to pass. This is the ‘nail’. This is confirmed by Isaiah 22:20-25. We know that this nail, for Israel, would be a stumbling block, but God would position His peg or nail among the Gentiles also. Isaiah 22: 22-25 is positioned in the Scriptures after God’s prophetic judgements upon Egypt, Babylon, Edom and Tyre. (Tyre’s king being likend to Lucifer, Ezekiel Chapters 26-28) for Tyre was moved by the spirit of Satan as will the beasts of Revelation and all beasts that have been before them. The spirits of these nations destroyed Israel and Chapter 22 is speaking of God’s judgement against Israel and putting forward his Christ who He will fix firmly in place, but he knows that those who believe in His Christ shall become a load upon him. "the load on the nail", v24. All that which was to bring honour to Himself will be put upon ‘the nail’ who is the Christ, who was to be a seat of honour for the house of His Father. Which he is, but men have deflected that work. They have done this by giving all the glory of the house of God to Christ. The offspring and offshoots, the lesser vessels from the bowls and jars all of which speak of those who were to be accessories to the Glory of God the Father. They were taken and given to Christ to trust in him as God and this by the minds of men in the church. The work of Christ ‘the nail’ was to bring men to His God and Father, and this through his work as Lamb and Baptizer with Holy Spirit. Jesus said no one comes to God except through him. He was to be the nail of reconciliation. He would have a heavenly work as well as earthly. He would be a seat of honour FOR His Father. As a true ambassador to the whole world, to bring them God. The work of Christ, no one will move it. Isaiah 9:5-6 will be fulfilled. The Christ who God the Father exalted to being, Christ and Lord. Acts 2:31-36. He came to Israel, through unbelief they rejected him, ‘the nail’. He was preached among the Gentiles and they received him, as God said they were to. John 11:49-53 but……. This is where the problem of the load began. Men out of cultures that esteemed gods and godesses, those with the spirit of Egypt, Babylon, Edom and Tyre with them and in them, began to respond to the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. That is a good thing, BUT they affected the truth of the nail and His Father’s honour and glory by bringing into truth (regarding the work of Christ and the work of God the Father) "adulterating roots" of their old cultures. They made the Son of God to be God, exalting Him beyond what His God and Father had positioned him, as a seat of honour FOR HIS FATHER. They gave the glory of God to Christ Jesus. The glory of the plan and purposes of Gods salvation for all mankind. They laid on Christ all that God alone can do. Men began to trust in Christ, to do for them what he was not in a position to do and as a result the load was formed. They could not know ’setting free’ from sickness, bondages etc, which are not Christs work but only His Fathers. God our Father is not into loads, except to get rid of them. 2 Peter 1:2-9. All those who do come to know Christ and his full work as Lamb and Baptizer with Holy Spirit were to come to know the Father as Christ Jesus does. We were to do greater things than Jesus, because he had gone back to his God and Father. John 14:10-12, 1 John 5:1-5, Rev. 3:11-12. We were to grow from being Children into being Fathers 1John 2:12-14. Overcoming by the power of God the Father, knowing all His works in us and to us. Asking the Father for all things (John 16:23-28), but because of not doing this, of not seeing the Father but only Christ and not beyond him, they are loaded on him and as a result the church is not that which glorifies God and brings honour to Him, rather shame. There are many who would say "if that is being a Christian who wants to be one". Through the spirits of Egypt, Babylon, Edom and Tyre the church has centred/focused their vision on Christ and not the Father. They do not know the HONOUR OF THE FATHERS HOUSE. These spirits destroyed Israel, so has the church fallen victim especially to the spirit of Satan and that of Beliel, who makes WORTH….LESS the things of God. The church has a false sense of security, false because their faith is all in the Person of the Son of God, the nail driven in by God, and not in God Himself and His work by HIS OWN SPIRIT. Which operates in 7 different works (Rev. 4:5). The Holy Spirit of God is God’s OWN Spirit, Romans 8:11, Gal. 1:1. Not a third Person of a Trinity, but God Himself. Those who consist of the load, will be surprised even astonished, in that day when they come to judgement at the throne of Christ. 2 Cor. 2:10 and there are those who have not ‘valued’ the work of Christ as Baptizer with Holy Spirit (work God have His Son to do, a great spiritual work upon the believer Romans 6:3-14, Col. 2:9-13). They have known the work of the cross and are satisfied that all is well. They will be left when Christ returns for those IN CHRIST. 1 Thess. 4:16. On the other hand those IN CHRIST will be astonished when Christ says "Depart from me you did not do the Will of My Father". Matthew 7:21-23 becaue they were focused on Christ as God. Christ is the nail that God fixed into position with great hope. Christ as the nail has gathered a great load, those who have centred themselves upon him and not on His God and Father. They made the Christ to be God. A nail that has gathered a great load (and it has) because of trust in the nail and not the one who FIXED the nail. Due to unbelief, and ignorance and in many cases arrogance and pride, which are the same spirits that empowered Babylon, Egypt and Tyre, that effectively brought judgement upon Israel and will upon the Church, which was to be to the GLORY OF GOD ALONE and not His Son. Eph. 5:20. We are to know what are the works of Christ and appreciate and love him for what he has done and what he is now. And he has more to do. We are to know what are the works of the Father who is God alone. John 17:3. If we do not want to be part of that load, go to the Father and know Him who gives victory and power to those who trust in Him as God and His Son as the Son and no more. 1 John 5:1-5, 1 Cor. 8:6, James 2:19 Isaiah 22:25 was spoken by God against "The Church". The NAIL sheared off etc, is judgement against those who demerit rather than honour Christ in what God has ordained his position to be. Yours In Christ, Marysia The Father and Son Ministries 1 Cor. 8:6
Response:
Have you heard about the Holy Trinity? I think not. Saudade
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many people who in error, see Jesus as God, and not as The Son of God, are asking him to do for them, that which is not his work to do. Jesus Christ the Son of God, CAN NOT do the work (Healer, Deliverer, Provider etc) which is His God and Father’s work alone to do. God the Father has given His Son Jesus a position and a work to do, and to ask Jesus to do more than he is appointed to is wrong. Do you know what the "nail of Isaiah 22" means? How many people would know what this is refering too? All that our LORD God Almighty said of Eliakim, is what God said would be accomplished in and on the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ. Verses 21-23 of Isaiah 22. He like a nail shall be driven in. (As God has done.) "I will drive him in like a peg into a firm place", in other words God drove him into a position that God Himself appointed him to be in. He would be the seat of GOD’S HONOUR, for the house of his Father. This is speaking of the positioning of Christ by God. Acts 2:31-36 Now this is what Christ Jesus wants, to be the seat of honour for the house (John 14:1-2) of His God and Father. 1 Cor. 1:3, John 17:3. This is what Christ the Son of God has done and continues to do and This description of what was spoken of Eliakim (he was spoken of as a picture of Christ, as was Joshua in Zacheriah 3), is what would be the position and work of Christ Jesus the Son of God. We see in Revelation 1:13-15 what Daniel saw in Chap. 10:4-6, as does Revelation Chapters 2 and 3, which speak of Christ, who is to be the seat of honour for His God and Father. (He is). He was to build up his Father’s house. John 14:1, Eph. 2:19-22 but…… Isaiah 9:6 translated incorrectly from the Hebrew, which for many is the verse that is the springboard in declaring that Jesus is God, and this is the main reasons for the "load" on the nail. The Tenakh, the Hebrew Scriptures, quotes Isaiah 9:5-6 like this, V5. "For a child has been born to us a son has been given us and authority has settled on his shoulders he has been named (his name meaning this, NOTsaying that he is God) ‘The Mighty God is planning grace ( God plans grace John 3:16, Isaiah 25:1) The Eternal Father a peaceable ruler’ – (God wants peace with us) V6, In token of abundant authority and of peace without limit upon the throne of David and his kingdom, that it may be firmly established in justice and in equity. Now and forever more. The zeal of the LORD of Hosts shall bring this to pass. This is the ‘nail’. This is confirmed by Isaiah 22:20-25. We know that this nail, for Israel, would be a stumbling block, but God would position His peg or nail among the Gentiles also. Isaiah 22: 22-25 is positioned in the Scriptures after God’s prophetic judgements upon Egypt, Babylon, Edom and Tyre. (Tyre’s king being likend to Lucifer, Ezekiel Chapters 26-28) for Tyre was moved by the spirit of Satan as will the beasts of Revelation and all beasts that have been before them. The spirits of these nations destroyed Israel and Chapter 22 is speaking of God’s judgement against Israel and putting forward his Christ who He will fix firmly in place, but he knows that those who believe in His Christ shall become a load upon him. "the load on the nail", v24. All that which was to bring honour to Himself will be put upon ‘the nail’ who is the Christ, who was to be a seat of honour for the house of His Father. Which he is, but men have deflected that work. They have done this by giving all the glory of the house of God to Christ. The offspring and offshoots, the lesser vessels from the bowls and jars all of which speak of those who were to be accessories to the Glory of God the Father. They were taken and given to Christ to trust in him as God and this by the minds of men in the church. The work of Christ ‘the nail’ was to bring men to His God and Father, and this through his work as Lamb and Baptizer with Holy Spirit. Jesus said no one comes to God except through him. He was to be the nail of reconciliation. He would have a heavenly work as well as earthly. He would be a seat of honour FOR His Father. As a true ambassador to the whole world, to bring them God. The work of Christ, no one will move it. Isaiah 9:5-6 will be fulfilled. The Christ who God the Father exalted to being, Christ and Lord. Acts 2:31-36. He came to Israel, through unbelief they rejected him, ‘the nail’. He was preached among the Gentiles and they received him, as God said they were to. John 11:49-53 but……. This is where the problem of the load began. Men out of cultures that esteemed gods and godesses, those with the spirit of Egypt, Babylon, Edom and Tyre with them and in them, began to respond to the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. That is a good thing, BUT they affected the truth of the nail and His Father’s honour and glory by bringing into truth (regarding the work of Christ and the work of God the Father) "adulterating roots" of their old cultures. They made the Son of God to be God, exalting Him beyond what His God and Father had positioned him, as a seat of honour FOR HIS FATHER. They gave the glory of God to Christ Jesus. The glory of the plan and purposes of Gods salvation for all mankind. They laid on Christ all that God alone can do. Men began to trust in Christ, to do for them what he was not in a position to do and as a result the load was formed. They could not know ’setting free’ from sickness, bondages etc, which are not Christs work but only His Fathers. God our Father is not into loads, except to get rid of them. 2 Peter 1:2-9. All those who do come to know Christ and his full work as Lamb and Baptizer with Holy Spirit were to come to know the Father as Christ Jesus does. We were to do greater things than Jesus, because he had gone back to his God and Father. John 14:10-12, 1 John 5:1-5, Rev. 3:11-12. We were to grow from being Children into being Fathers 1John 2:12-14. Overcoming by the power of God the Father, knowing all His works in us and to us. Asking the Father for all things (John 16:23-28), but because of not doing this, of not seeing the Father but only Christ and not beyond him, they are loaded on him and as a result the church is not that which glorifies God and brings honour to Him, rather shame. There are many who would say "if that is being a Christian who wants to be one". Through the spirits of Egypt, Babylon, Edom and Tyre the church has centred/focused their vision on Christ and not the Father. They do not know the HONOUR OF THE FATHERS HOUSE. These spirits destroyed Israel, so has the church fallen victim especially to the spirit of Satan and that of Beliel, who makes WORTH….LESS the things of God. The church has a false sense of security, false because their faith is all in the Person of the Son of God, the nail driven in by God, and not in God Himself and His work by HIS OWN SPIRIT. Which operates in 7 different works (Rev. 4:5). The Holy Spirit of God is God’s OWN Spirit, Romans 8:11, Gal. 1:1. Not a third Person of a Trinity, but God Himself. Those who consist of the load, will be surprised even astonished, in that day when they come to judgement at the throne of Christ. 2 Cor. 2:10 and there are those who have not ‘valued’ the work of Christ as Baptizer with Holy Spirit (work God have His Son to do, a great spiritual work upon the believer Romans 6:3-14, Col. 2:9-13). They have known the work of the cross and are satisfied that all is well. They will be left when Christ returns for those IN CHRIST. 1 Thess. 4:16. On the other hand those IN CHRIST will be astonished when Christ says "Depart from me you did not do the Will of My Father". Matthew 7:21-23 becaue they were focused on Christ as God. Christ is the nail that God fixed into position with great hope. Christ as the nail has gathered a great load, those who have centred themselves upon him and not on His God and Father. They made the Christ to be God. A nail that has gathered a great load (and it has) because of trust in the nail and not the one who FIXED the nail. Due to unbelief, and ignorance and in many cases arrogance and pride, which are the same spirits that empowered Babylon, Egypt and Tyre, that effectively brought judgement upon Israel and will upon the Church, which was to be to the GLORY OF GOD ALONE and not His Son. Eph. 5:20. We are to know what are the works of Christ and appreciate and love him for what he has done and what he is now. And he has more to do. We are to know what are the works of the Father who is God alone. John 17:3. If we do not want to be part of that load, go to the Father and know Him who gives victory and power to those who trust in Him as God and His Son as the Son and no more. 1 John 5:1-5, 1 Cor. 8:6, James 2:19 Isaiah 22:25 was spoken by God against "The Church". The NAIL sheared off etc, is judgement against those who demerit rather than honour Christ in what God has ordained his position to be. Yours In Christ, Marysia The Father and Son Ministries 1 Cor. 8:6
Response:
Have you heard about the Holy Trinity? I think not. Saudade
I have most of my life heard about the Trinity, then God through His Word the Bible started to open my eyes — That’s just it, there is no Trinity, holy or otherwise. 1 Cor. 8:6 "Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, FROM whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord Jesus Christ, THROUGH whom all things came and through whom we live." One God and Father who has His own Spirit and Jesus God’s Son who has HIS OWN SPIRIT. Romans 8:9-11 explains the steps to having the Spirit of God live in you. No Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Christ, Spirit of Christ in you your spirit is made alive but your mortal body is still in death because of sin, Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead (Gal. 1:1 God the Father) dwells in you your mortal body is made alive Born Again by God’s Spirit. This is why Jesus said in John 14:23 "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and WE will come to him and make OUR home with him." These were the two first verses God started to open up. There are many more but with the wrong mathematical formula most people use they do not see, or are to scared to see, what God would show them. Yes there are many verses you would show me to support the trinity but most of them are misunderstood through the error of the trinity. And there are ones that have been "doctored" either in ignorance or on purpose by the translators. But the basic Truth of God’s Word cannot be altered, there is One God the Father WHO loved the world that He sent His SON to save it. John 3:16-18 In Christ, Marysia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many people who in error, see Jesus as God, and not as The Son of God, are asking him to do for them, that which is not his work to do. Jesus Christ the Son of God, CAN NOT do the work (Healer, Deliverer, Provider etc) which is His God and Father’s work alone to do. God the Father has given His Son Jesus a position and a work to do, and to ask Jesus to do more than he is appointed to is wrong. Do you know what the "nail of Isaiah 22" means? How many people would know what this is refering too? All that our LORD God Almighty said of Eliakim, is what God said would be accomplished in and on the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ. Verses 21-23 of Isaiah 22. He like a nail shall be driven in. (As God has done.) "I will drive him in like a peg into a firm place", in other words God drove him into a position that God Himself appointed him to be in. He would be the seat of GOD’S HONOUR, for the house of his Father. This is speaking of the positioning of Christ by God. Acts 2:31-36 Now this is what Christ Jesus wants, to be the seat of honour for the house (John 14:1-2) of His God and Father. 1 Cor. 1:3, John 17:3. This is what Christ the Son of God has done and continues to do and This description of what was spoken of Eliakim (he was spoken of as a picture of Christ, as was Joshua in Zacheriah 3), is what would be the position and work of Christ Jesus the Son of God. We see in Revelation 1:13-15 what Daniel saw in Chap. 10:4-6, as does Revelation Chapters 2 and 3, which speak of Christ, who is to be the seat of honour for His God and Father. (He is). He was to build up his Father’s house. John 14:1, Eph. 2:19-22 but…… Isaiah 9:6 translated incorrectly from the Hebrew, which for many is the verse that is the springboard in declaring that Jesus is God, and this is the main reasons for the "load" on the nail. The Tenakh, the Hebrew Scriptures, quotes Isaiah 9:5-6 like this, V5. "For a child has been born to us a son has been given us and authority has settled on his shoulders he has been named (his name meaning this, NOTsaying that he is God) ‘The Mighty God is planning grace ( God plans grace John 3:16, Isaiah 25:1) The Eternal Father a peaceable ruler’ – (God wants peace with us) V6, In token of abundant authority and of peace without limit upon the throne of David and his kingdom, that it may be firmly established in justice and in equity. Now and forever more. The zeal of the LORD of Hosts shall bring this to pass. This is the ‘nail’. This is confirmed by Isaiah 22:20-25. We know that this nail, for Israel, would be a stumbling block, but God would position His peg or nail among the Gentiles also. Isaiah 22: 22-25 is positioned in the Scriptures after God’s prophetic judgements upon Egypt, Babylon, Edom and Tyre. (Tyre’s king being likend to Lucifer, Ezekiel Chapters 26-28) for Tyre was moved by the spirit of Satan as will the beasts of Revelation and all beasts that have been before them. The spirits of these nations destroyed Israel and Chapter 22 is speaking of God’s judgement against Israel and putting forward his Christ who He will fix firmly in place, but he knows that those who believe in His Christ shall become a load upon him. "the load on the nail", v24. All that which was to bring honour to Himself will be put upon ‘the nail’ who is the Christ, who was to be a seat of honour for the house of His Father. Which he is, but men have deflected that work. They have done this by giving all the glory of the house of God to Christ. The offspring and offshoots, the lesser vessels from the bowls and jars all of which speak of those who were to be accessories to the Glory of God the Father. They were taken and given to Christ to trust in him as God and this by the minds of men in the church. The work of Christ ‘the nail’ was to bring men to His God and Father, and this through his work as Lamb and Baptizer with Holy Spirit. Jesus said no one comes to God except through him. He was to be the nail of reconciliation. He would have a heavenly work as well as earthly. He would be a seat of honour FOR His Father. As a true ambassador to the whole world, to bring them God. The work of Christ, no one will move it. Isaiah 9:5-6 will be fulfilled. The Christ who God the Father exalted to being, Christ and Lord. Acts 2:31-36. He came to Israel, through unbelief they rejected him, ‘the nail’. He was preached among the Gentiles and they received him, as God said they were to. John 11:49-53 but……. This is where the problem of the load began. Men out of cultures that esteemed gods and godesses, those with the spirit of Egypt, Babylon, Edom and Tyre with them and in them, began to respond to the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. That is a good thing, BUT they affected the truth of the nail and His Father’s honour and glory by bringing into truth (regarding the work of Christ and the work of God the Father) "adulterating roots" of their old cultures. They made the Son of God to be God, exalting Him beyond what His God and Father had positioned him, as a seat of honour FOR HIS FATHER. They gave the glory of God to Christ Jesus. The glory of the plan and purposes of Gods salvation for all mankind. They laid on Christ all that God alone can do. Men began to trust in Christ, to do for them what he was not in a position to do and as a result the load was formed. They could not know ’setting free’ from sickness, bondages etc, which are not Christs work but only His Fathers. God our Father is not into loads, except to get rid of them. 2 Peter 1:2-9. All those who do come to know Christ and his full work as Lamb and Baptizer with Holy Spirit were to come to know the Father as Christ Jesus does. We were to do greater things than Jesus, because he had gone back to his God and Father. John 14:10-12, 1 John 5:1-5, Rev. 3:11-12. We were to grow from being Children into being Fathers 1John 2:12-14. Overcoming by the power of God the Father, knowing all His works in us and to us. Asking the Father for all things (John 16:23-28), but because of not doing this, of not seeing the Father but only Christ and not beyond him, they are loaded on him and as a result the church is not that which glorifies God and brings honour to Him, rather shame. There are many who would say "if that is being a Christian who wants to be one". Through the spirits of Egypt, Babylon, Edom and Tyre the church has centred/focused their vision on Christ and not the Father. They do not know the HONOUR OF THE FATHERS HOUSE. These spirits destroyed Israel, so has the church fallen victim especially to the spirit of Satan and that of Beliel, who makes WORTH….LESS the things of God. The church has a false sense of security, false because their faith is all in the Person of the Son of God, the nail driven in by God, and not in God Himself and His work by HIS OWN SPIRIT. Which operates in 7 different works (Rev. 4:5). The Holy Spirit of God is God’s OWN Spirit, Romans 8:11, Gal. 1:1. Not a third Person of a Trinity, but God Himself. Those who consist of the load, will be surprised even astonished, in that day when they come to judgement at the throne of Christ. 2 Cor. 2:10 and there are those who have not ‘valued’ the work of Christ as Baptizer with Holy Spirit (work God have His Son to do, a great spiritual work upon the believer Romans 6:3-14, Col. 2:9-13). They have known the work of the cross and are satisfied
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