Question:
Ever her of a mother *breaking water* just before giving birth ?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At this the chief seemed utterly oppressed; but suddenly he somehow sensed the deficiency, for, lifting up tearful eyes, he cried out, "Here, Lord, take this poor Indian too!" That is the only condition for fellowship with Christ. That is an interesting fable, but a lie from the false church. The condition for fellowship with Christ is to obey His Acts 2:38 salvation to become a Christian. That is your fable! Acts 2:38 is for baptism of the believer, not to make them a Christian. They believed, they repented, their heart was touched by the Spirit all before they were Baptized, Heretic. Jesus said in Mark, He that believeth and is baptized, not he that is baptized will believe or gets salvation. One needs to confess, repent, believe, have faith, trust, ask for forgiveness and then is baptized for the remission of their sins, you old Heretic. The Blood of Jesus saves and takes away cleans sin, not a baptism in water. Jesus said, John 15:3 "Now you are clean through the Word which I have spoken to you." But He was also inspirational towards ourselves picking out the logs in our own eyes. And He began His ministry calling us to repent. And He baptized in water. Jesus Himself was baptized. So who are you to reject water? What _teacher_ before you ever has? Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." This command is in keeping with the practices of His ministry, and it is not a hard thing to do. It means something. For Jesus it is when the Holy Spirit descended, and God spoke… Mat 3:16-17 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him; and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Peter wrote, 1 Peter 3:21 "…which figure now also saves us, baptism; not a putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ;…" John wrote, 1 John 5:6 "This is He who came through water and blood, Jesus Christ, not by water only, but by the water and blood. And the Spirit is He who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth." I write this one for Steve’s sake, for I think that was John’s intent. But if we hear the word "blood" so often then do our ears not tire of hearing? By the Gospel, are we not forced to reject your words "blood (alone)" ? And in so doing, does this not do harm? Is the harm not your cause and not ours? –Mike Then you are the perfect example that water only even in Jesus name The thorny Steve Winter a ‘perfect example’? doesn’t work if one has not repented and is a believer in Jesus Christ. Your terms and ungodly terms, shows how sinful you are, and no amount of Water is going to make you clean. Only faith in the Blood can remove sin, 1 John 1:7-9 I really think you should consider your use of the word ‘only’. I’ve seen that word used, and rather often, by those who argue like you, when it is not so written in the Gospel. –Mike
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Ever her of a mother *breaking water* just before giving birth ?
Where does the birth water come into the story? Given that baptism was the habit with his ministry, and that little was stated to defend it, then the inference is straightforward as to what was meant by water. They baptised, so I want to ask why, and if it were important. I must accept this verse as an answer to that question. Otherwise it would appear that I would be intentionally trying to deflect it. Baptism is an acknowledgement that we need a washing by God, for the logic isn’t such a mystery; (and as Peter wrote). But we are to be different than we were before. We aren’t the same individuals who now have access to a washing in His blood. So baptism is part of the rebirth to newness. As for its defense, the clearest is that baptism of the Lord Himself. For it was then when the Father spoke, saying "This is my beloved Son…", and the Holy Spirit decended at that moment. From this it is obvious that God, as Christ, takes baptism seriously. And I must be concerned when others teach to ignore it. That baptism has been abused by some (so I’ve heard but not seen) is not a condemnation of baptism, or its requirement, but that of man. The answer Christ gave is, "of water, and of the Spirit." By water is a step we can take simply. But by the Spirit is by Christ’s will. Obedience to His commandments was the requirement unto which He would pray the Father that He send another Comforter. (John 14:15-16, also verses 13-14) That the Spirit decended upon Christ after His baptism is a confirmation that event was obedience to God. (But we know his obedience was not completed then.) That baptism is even taught to be ignored is proof of how far the church has left the Gospel. Though it does take some effort, baptism is not burdensome in itself; except that it is a step into faith. Man instinctively wants to rebel at that, for they are not ‘in control’ afterwards. Maybe some were dissappointed by their own baptism, and sought to condemn it, rather than seeking the Lord that He may complete it. But the completion is His option, which does depend on our convictions, which are not without thoughts and actions. Wait on the Lord, and don’t just wait. And don’t accuse baptism for putting you in the position of waiting. –Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At this the chief seemed utterly oppressed; but suddenly he somehow sensed the deficiency, for, lifting up tearful eyes, he cried out, "Here, Lord, take this poor Indian too!" That is the only condition for fellowship with Christ. That is an interesting fable, but a lie from the false church. The condition for fellowship with Christ is to obey His Acts 2:38 salvation to become a Christian. That is your fable! Acts 2:38 is for baptism of the believer, not to make them a Christian. They believed, they repented, their heart was touched by the Spirit all before they were Baptized, Heretic. Jesus said in Mark, He that believeth and is baptized, not he that is baptized will believe or gets salvation. One needs to confess, repent, believe, have faith, trust, ask for forgiveness and then is baptized for the remission of their sins, you old Heretic. The Blood of Jesus saves and takes away cleans sin, not a baptism in water. Jesus said, John 15:3 "Now you are clean through the Word which I have spoken to you." But He was also inspirational towards ourselves picking out the logs in our own eyes. And He began His ministry calling us to repent. And He baptized in water. Jesus Himself was baptized. So who are you to reject water? What _teacher_ before you ever has? Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." This command is in keeping with the practices of His ministry, and it is not a hard thing to do. It means something. For Jesus it is when the Holy Spirit descended, and God spoke… Mat 3:16-17 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him; and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Peter wrote, 1 Peter 3:21 "…which figure now also saves us, baptism; not a putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ;…" John wrote, 1 John 5:6 "This is He who came through water and blood, Jesus Christ, not by water only, but by the water and blood. And the Spirit is He who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth." I write this one for Steve’s sake, for I think that was John’s intent. But if we hear the word "blood" so often then do our ears not tire of hearing? By the Gospel, are we not forced to reject your words "blood (alone)" ? And in so doing, does this not do harm? Is the harm not your cause and not ours? –Mike Then you are the perfect example that water only even in Jesus name The thorny Steve Winter a ‘perfect example’? doesn’t work if one has not repented and is a believer in Jesus Christ. Your terms and ungodly terms, shows how sinful you are, and no amount of Water is going to make you clean. Only faith in the Blood can remove sin, 1 John 1:7-9 I really think you should consider your use of the word ‘only’. I’ve seen that word used, and rather often, by those who argue like you, when it is not so written in the Gospel. –Mike
Response:
Ever her of a mother *breaking water* just before giving birth ?
You false-christian scum really think that just "explains away" baptism? Babies are not born "of water", maybe fish are. I hope to herein expose one of the filthiest lies that false preachers are teaching these days. If I seem emotional, it’s just that I hate to see people so deceived. In John 3:5, Jesus told a full grown man that he needed to be born again of a spiritual birth which consisted of water and spirit…(notice two distinct elements WATER and SPIRIT).. Satan has many misinformed, and some knowingly deceiving false preachers that teach that the "birth of the water" refers to a man’s physical birth (since there is a watery fluid involved at birth). That teaching is one of the cheapest, cop out, deceptions in Satan’s arsenal to deceive people about the IMPORTANCE of baptism. John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. * Notice that Jesus was declaring what a MAN had to do (not a baby), and that Jesus was referring to a RE-BIRTH; being BORN AGAIN. He could not have been referring to the fluids of a baby’s birth. HE was telling a grown MAN how to be BORN AGAIN. Oh, it sounds real convincing to look at it as "physical birth", unless you consider that he was talking to a MAN, a grown MAN telling him how to be RE-BORN (spiritually). And if that isn’t enough to convince you, then just look at how WATER and SPIRIT are BOTH elements in the plan of salvation that was preached at the birth of the church: Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. * Baptism is what washes away sins!!! Look at this next verse: * Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Then, if you are still not convinced let’s look at another verse that Jesus spoke (and I certainly pray that you will not suggest that a non-believer would even consider baptism). Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Look how the same God that said Water was part of the RE-BIRTH also declared "and is baptized" How could the Bible be any clearer? Remember! Jesus was talking to a GROWN MAN telling him about a RE-BIRTH, and as a matter of fact babies are born IN water NOT ‘OF’ Water.. DON’T BE DECEIVED into a comfortable disobedience of the Bible by these Satanic false-christian dirt! Pastor sTeve Winter — Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio) Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip To you, ALL CHRISTIANS are "fales-christian dirt." You are no more qualified to be a pastor than satan himself is. in the Name of Jesus Christ,] Christian First Christian you see you fell for this guys fake follow-up game that he has played for years. Second of course he thinks all those who do not think like him are false Christian scum, that is actually quite Christian, from an historic perspective. I have often wondered how much blood has been spilled in the name of Jesus. Of course I understand that has no meaning at all but I find it rather sad. Which of course also has no meaning. PS I forgot to add, mercy is for the weak and weakness will never be tolerated. I have always wondered why they only people loved by Jesus are those who do not need him ? Oh for the good pastor yes scum, false christian scum anon christian scum etc.
WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU BABBLING ABOUT, BRIAN? YOU NEED TO SLACK UP ON YOUR POSTS, YOUR JUST CONFUSING YOURSELF. GOODBYE, FOR NOW, CUB_BRAVE P.S. NO OFFENSE, RIGHT BRIAN?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip To you, ALL CHRISTIANS are "fales-christian dirt." You are no more qualified to be a pastor than satan himself is. in the Name of Jesus Christ,] Christian First Christian you see you fell for this guys fake follow-up game that he has played for years. Second of course he thinks all those who do not think like him are false Christian scum, that is actually quite Christian, from an historic perspective. I have often wondered how much blood has been spilled in the name of Jesus. Of course I understand that has no meaning at all but I find it rather sad. Which of course also has no meaning. PS I forgot to add, mercy is for the weak and weakness will never be tolerated. I have always wondered why they only people loved by Jesus are those who do not need him ? Oh for the good pastor yes scum, false christian scum anon christian scum etc. WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU BABBLING ABOUT, BRIAN? YOU NEED TO SLACK UP ON YOUR POSTS, YOUR JUST CONFUSING YOURSELF. GOODBYE, FOR NOW, CUB_BRAVE
ok cub I could go on, but your posts look the same way. P.S. NO OFFENSE, RIGHT BRIAN?
IM not offended, I take it you care, you are also entitled to your opinion, as am i? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip To you, ALL CHRISTIANS are "fales-christian dirt." You are no more qualified to be a pastor than satan himself is. in the Name of Jesus Christ,] Christian First Christian you see you fell for this guys fake follow-up game that he has played for years. Second of course he thinks all those who do not think like him are false Christian scum, that is actually quite Christian, from an historic perspective. I have often wondered how much blood has been spilled in the name of Jesus. Of course I understand that has no meaning at all but I find it rather sad. Which of course also has no meaning.
PS I forgot to add, mercy is for the weak and weakness will never be tolerated. I have always wondered why they only people loved by Jesus are those who do not need him ? Oh for the good pastor yes scum, false christian scum anon christian scum etc.
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snip To you, ALL CHRISTIANS are "fales-christian dirt." You are no more qualified to be a pastor than satan himself is. in the Name of Jesus Christ,] Christian
First Christian you see you fell for this guys fake follow-up game that he has played for years. Second of course he thinks all those who do not think like him are false Christian scum, that is actually quite Christian, from an historic perspective. I have often wondered how much blood has been spilled in the name of Jesus. Of course I understand that has no meaning at all but I find it rather sad. Which of course also has no meaning.
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[trim] Jesus said, John 15:3 "Now you are clean through the Word which I have spoken to you." But He was also inspirational towards ourselves picking out the logs in our own eyes. And He began His ministry calling us to repent. And He baptized in water. Jesus Himself was baptized. So who are you to reject water? What _teacher_ before you ever has? To start with, you qouted "clean through the Word which I have spoken" there is no water in this, but the Word. Faith in the Word. Then it baptism is important, but it is not the blood and it does not save by itself. Did Jesus have sin? I think not so water baptism did not forgive his sin’s as he had none. I never rejected water, or baptism in water, only obeject when people try to make the water take the place of the Blood of Jesus, and so His death and Cross. Which would of been a waste, since they had water baptism before the Cross.
No, I think you reject water. For nobody is trying to use water to take the place of Christ’s shed blood. And, physically speaking, that blood is not here, nor was anyone physically washed in it, so I can’t see your argument. As for how we deal with His Blood physically, it is by taking the Lord’s Supper. Again, Christ said the words below. And please re-read my comments beneath the quote. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." This command is in keeping with the practices of His ministry, and it is not a hard thing to do. It means something. For Jesus it is when the Holy Spirit descended, and God spoke… Mat 3:16-17 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him; and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Peter wrote, 1 Peter 3:21 "…which figure now also saves us, baptism; not a putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ;…" John wrote, 1 John 5:6 "This is He who came through water and blood, Jesus Christ, not by water only, but by the water and blood. And the Spirit is He who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth." I write this one for Steve’s sake, for I think that was John’s intent. But if we hear the word "blood" so often then do our ears not tire of hearing? By the Gospel, are we not forced to reject your words "blood (alone)" ? And in so doing, does this not do harm? Is the harm not your cause and not ours? Then you are the perfect example that water only even in Jesus name The thorny Steve Winter a ‘perfect example’? Yes of one that trust in water and what a preacher does, by putting one into the water, which with out the blood is a wet sinner, in and a wet sinner out of the water.
The problem with Winter is Winter. AND that so many reject baptism outright. So he thinks he’s got an argument he can’t lose. You are, in effect, using (or allowing) Winter to curse water, and it suits your theology. The blood and faith in the Blood and the action of Christ Jesus on the Cross is what brings a person to the blood and salvation,
I believe it is a penitent heart and obediance that bring a person to salvation. These are out of an active faith. May I suggest that you do a word search in the gospels to see what Christ said about His blood, and temper your theology around His words. And other words concerning other matters also. then they like on the day of Pentecost will ask what must we do, and then they are baptized because they did believe in the Son of God, Jesus. Baptism does not make a believer it is for them that believed, as in Mark, He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved…. Hope that clears things up.
No. Raymond doesn’t work if one has not repented and is a believer in Jesus Christ. Your terms and ungodly terms, shows how sinful you are, and no amount of Water is going to make you clean. Only faith in the Blood can remove sin, 1 John 1:7-9
Again, I repeat… I really think you should consider your use of the word ‘only’. I’ve seen that word used, and rather often, by those who argue like you, when it is not so written in the Gospel. I think many Protestants are proud of their ‘Solas’. ’Only’ Grace (no merit), ‘only’ Faith (not works), ‘only’ Scripture (not traditions). When scripture, except for PAUL ALONE, is not so definitive. Paul was too definitive, he even got it wrong. Christ never taught grace. Did you know that? And Christ has His thoughts on work. Are you even aware of them? Did you know that in Matt 20:1-16 Christ taught heaven as payment for work? Mat 20:1 "For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that was a householder, who went out early in the morning to hire laborers into his vineyard." This is a different approach than Paul’s. They worry me, those who spend so much time in blood, and want to spatter it around so. Do you revel in the death? Let us not gather around the cross like hounds to lap it up. (I’m only trying to be practical, and not denying anything.) I don’t think you have a grasp of what you are proclaiming, and it is doing damage. –Mike
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At this the chief seemed utterly oppressed; but suddenly he somehow sensed the deficiency, for, lifting up tearful eyes, he cried out, "Here, Lord, take this poor Indian too!" That is the only condition for fellowship with Christ. That is an interesting fable, but a lie from the false church. The condition for fellowship with Christ is to obey His Acts 2:38 salvation to become a Christian. That is your fable! Acts 2:38 is for baptism of the believer, not to make them a Christian. They believed, they repented, their heart was touched by the Spirit all before they were Baptized, Heretic. Jesus said in Mark, He that believeth and is baptized, not he that is baptized will believe or gets salvation. One needs to confess, repent, believe, have faith, trust, ask for forgiveness and then is baptized for the remission of their sins, you old Heretic. The Blood of Jesus saves and takes away cleans sin, not a baptism in water. Jesus said, John 15:3 "Now you are clean through the Word which I have spoken to you." But He was also inspirational towards ourselves picking out the logs in our own eyes. And He began His ministry calling us to repent. And He baptized in water. Jesus Himself was baptized. So who are you to reject water? What _teacher_ before you ever has?
To start with, you qouted "clean through the Word which I have spoken" there is no water in this, but the Word. Faith in the Word. Then it baptism is important, but it is not the blood and it does not save by itself. Did Jesus have sin? I think not so water baptism did not forgive his sin’s as he had none. I never rejected water, or baptism in water, only obeject when people try to make the water take the place of the Blood of Jesus, and so His death and Cross. Which would of been a waste, since they had water baptism before the Cross. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." This command is in keeping with the practices of His ministry, and it is not a hard thing to do. It means something. For Jesus it is when the Holy Spirit descended, and God spoke… Mat 3:16-17 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him; and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Peter wrote, 1 Peter 3:21 "…which figure now also saves us, baptism; not a putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ;…" John wrote, 1 John 5:6 "This is He who came through water and blood, Jesus Christ, not by water only, but by the water and blood. And the Spirit is He who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth." I write this one for Steve’s sake, for I think that was John’s intent. But if we hear the word "blood" so often then do our ears not tire of hearing? By the Gospel, are we not forced to reject your words "blood (alone)" ? And in so doing, does this not do harm? Is the harm not your cause and not ours? –Mike Then you are the perfect example that water only even in Jesus name The thorny Steve Winter a ‘perfect example’?
Yes of one that trust in water and what a preacher does, by putting one into the water, which with out the blood is a wet sinner, in and a wet sinner out of the water. The blood and faith in the Blood and the action of Christ Jesus on the Cross is what brings a person to the blood and salvation, then they like on the day of Pentecost will ask what must we do, and then they are baptized because they did believe in the Son of God, Jesus. Baptism does not make a believer it is for them that believed, as in Mark, He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved…. Hope that clears things up. Raymond – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – doesn’t work if one has not repented and is a believer in Jesus Christ. Your terms and ungodly terms, shows how sinful you are, and no amount of Water is going to make you clean. Only faith in the Blood can remove sin, 1 John 1:7-9 I really think you should consider your use of the word ‘only’. I’ve seen that word used, and rather often, by those who argue like you, when it is not so written in the Gospel. –Mike
Response:
The problem is that Acts 2:38 isn’t the only verse in the Bible which deals with salvation.
When false-christian dirt reject Acts 2:38, it won’t matter what they do with the rest of the verses. A minister of Satan calling himself "Apostolic Man" while teaching disobedience to what the Apostles taught. Ever wonder why deceivers, and fake christians in general, single out Acts 2:38 as the verse that "need not be obeyed"? It is because Acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation for the new testament church. Notice that Jesus had personally given Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven: Matt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Let us also notice that when sinners were "pricked in their hearts" and asked Peter what they could do, that Peter unlocked the kingdom of heaven for "as many as the Lord our God shall call" Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Acts 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do? Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls. Notice, there were 3000 there that elected to have their sins remitted. So you better believe that the minister of Satan will do just about anything that he can to try to downplay Acts 2:38. Paul mentions that there will be those that come along and preach "another gospel." Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Paul also didn’t leave us in ignorance that when Satan’s ministers come, they come masquerading as "ministers of righteousness", as smooth talking false preachers saying "Just claim belief and you are saved." II Corinthians 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. II Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. II Corinthians 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. It is the job of the false preacher to cause YOU to be among those that don’t obey Acts 2:38. II Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, II Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Notice that there are TWO groups mentioned in verse 8, those that don’t know God, AND those that know him BUT REFUSE TO OBEY HIM. II Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Water Baptism in Jesus name remits sins BECAUSE of Jesus finished work on the cross. It is the re-birth of water (see John 3:5). Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. The devil’s servants don’t want you to "put on Christ". They want you to reject Jesus name baptism. Is the man in the pulpit of your church just there to soothe you into hell? Is your preacher stressing the URGENCY of obeying the Bible or is he/she/it selling a fable of a false grace that ignores obedience to the Bible. II Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. II Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; II Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. Is your preacher preaching Acts 2:38, or soothing fables? Pastor sTeve Winter — Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio) Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That is your fable! Acts 2:38 is for baptism of the believer, not to make them a Christian. Now do any of you Oneness brethren see why I rejected the false-christian scum Raymond Knapp as a fake? Read what the devil man Knapp has posted quoted above. Now this filthy deceiving scum Knapp has been masquerading as a "oneness missionary" for how long now? Any of you dimbulbs who threw away your honor, integrity and salvation to support reprobate Knapp feeling the least bit embarrassed yet? If not, read the scum’s words above. This SHOWS in his own words what he believes!
I’m proud to call Ray a brother in Christ. He has rejected your "Water Salvation" and is relying on Jesus as his saviour. We may disagree on the nature of God, but we both trust in Jesus only! (And I suspect we’ll both be very surprised at God’s true nature when we see him. The limited human mind is wholly incapable of truly understanding an unlimited God.) I encourage anyone who is unsure about Acts 2:38 to read http://www.av1611.org/jmelton/acts2.html and find out why this is Satan’s favourite bible verse. John 5:24
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