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There was a new article in my paper today about the Shroud. Recently another study was done on the Shroud. Scientists studies the pollen particles on the Shroud and determine them to be from plants only found in Jerusalem around March and April. They now date the Shroul to before the 8th Century, which is much older than other scientists determined in a prior study. This now offer hope for those who believe it is Christ’s burial shroud. This new evidence is pretty compelling. A long time ago I remember reading an article about predicting the exact date of Christ’s death. According to historians and biblical scholars they believe that Christ was crucified on Friday, April 3 (I forget the year AD) – they calculated this from knowing the reign of Pontius Pilate and of course the date of the Passover, etc. Interesting! Personally, I belive the Shroud is real. Hey…its mid 1999 and scientists have not yet figured how this image could have been made by humans if it is a fake. With all of our technology, they cant replicate it themselves….that tells you something!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There was a new article in my paper today about the Shroud. Recently another study was done on the Shroud. Scientists studies the pollen particles on the Shroud and determine them to be from plants only found in Jerusalem around March and April. They now date the Shroul to before the 8th Century, which is much older than other scientists determined in a prior study. This now offer hope for those who believe it is Christ’s burial shroud. This new evidence is pretty compelling. A long time ago I remember reading an article about predicting the exact date of Christ’s death. According to historians and biblical scholars they believe that Christ was crucified on Friday, April 3 (I forget the year AD) – they calculated this from knowing the reign of Pontius Pilate and of course the date of the Passover, etc. Interesting! Personally, I belive the Shroud is real. Hey…its mid 1999 and scientists have not yet figured how this image could have been made by humans if it is a fake. With all of our technology, they cant replicate it themselves….that tells you something!
This is old. The spores you are speaking of are of plants that became extinct around the 8th century, thus the dating. When the spores actually entered the shroud is a mystery. Faith is belief without proof, once you have proof there is no faith. — Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. "If you expect a nation to be ignorant and free, you expect what never was and can never be." – Thomas Jefferson
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A long time ago I remember reading an article about predicting the exact date of Christ’s death. According to historians and biblical scholars they believe that Christ was crucified on Friday, April 3 (I forget the year AD) – they calculated this from knowing the reign of Pontius Pilate and of course the date of the Passover, etc.
The belief is that Christ died in the year 30 AD. The range would be anywhere between 28 and 31 AD so this fits. God bless, Jay Job 8:8-9
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This is old. The spores you are speaking of are of plants that became extinct around the 8th century, thus the dating. When the spores actually entered the shroud is a mystery.
It simply leans towards the idea that the fraud was greater than originally anticipated. Those responsible for it, ensured that the cloth used was at least manufactured in the area where Christ was said to have lived. It still does not place this the shroud at the time of the crucifixion and if it actually be an authentic imprint of a man crucified, it could be one of a million people…. even St. Dracula. PeterT
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It simply leans towards the idea that the fraud was greater than originally anticipated. Those responsible for it, ensured that the cloth used was at least manufactured in the area where Christ was said to have lived.
My goodness, how brilliant of them!! They knew that hundreds of years later, we would have the technology to identify and date plant spores! "The Lord of Hosts lives, before Whom I stand." — the prophet Elijah
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It simply leans towards the idea that the fraud was greater than originally anticipated.
And why did they make it a photographic negative before photography existed? Note: Atheists START with the PREMISE that miracles are impossible, and assume that the many, many things they can’t explain can’t POSSIBLY be miraculous – even when they have no other explanation.
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<< …Personally, I belive the Shroud is real. Hey…its mid 1999 and scientists have not yet figured how this image could have been made by humans if it is a fake. With all of our technology, they cant replicate it themselves….that tells you something! Consider this: The following quote is from "Biblical Archaeologogy Review" November/December 1998, Vol. 24 No. 6., Cover story, "Debunking the Shroud of Turin". Page 29, "The Shroud Painting Explained" by Walter C. McCrone. "I beg to differ … that ""no one has been able to account for the image"" on the Shroud of Turin. Nearly 20 years ago the Catholic Church invited me to determine chemically what the image is on the Shroud of Turin. I obatined 32 samples from the shroud… To determine what substances are present in the shroud images, I conducted tests based on polarized light microscopy. I identified the substance of the body-and-blood images as the paint pigment red ochre, in a collagen tempera medium. The blood image areas consist of another pigment, vermillion, in addition to red ochre and tempera. These paints were in common use during the Middle Ages. … Based on the complete absence of any reference to the shroud before 1356, Bishop Henri of Poitier’s statement that he knew the artist, the 14th-century painting style and my test results, I concluded in two papers published in 1980 that the shroud was painted in 1355….. A third paper in 1981 confirmed these results with X-ray determination of the elements present…..in the two paints. Eight years after my published results, the carbon-dating results were reported as 1325 +/- 65 years-thus confirming my date of 1355." (An expert in microanalysis and painting authentication, Walter C. McCrone is director of the McCrone Research Institute in Chicago, Illinois). Bill
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Deconstructing the "Debunking" of the Shroud by Daniel Scavone, Professor of History, University of Southern Indiana, USA Karlheinz Dietz, Professor of History, University of W
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