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Aaron and I will be live for about an hour tonight,

Hi Moses Keep off the soy sauce!

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Aaron and I will be live for about an hour tonight, starting at 7 pm PST (Wed, July 3), speaking on the kingdom of God. This is an often misunderstood Gospel topic and we will talk about these things tonight. Check out our radio station at http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=artbulla It’s an online radio station on Live365.com.  Just click on the link to listen. (Also be patient, the clips take 30 sec to load between changes, but they will start automatically). At other times, this link plays recorded Gospel discourses, 24/7. Jong Kim http://www.artbulla.com

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shoyu (show you) Definition:  Japanese term for soy sauce (salty, brown liquid condiment made by fermenting soybeans and roasted wheat or barley in brine) Used In A Sentence: Try pass da shoyu. Da rice stay shmall kine dry. In English?: Can you please pass me the soy sauce please? My rice is a little on the dry side.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Jong says… What is the Kingdom of God? As it is the Holy Ghost that giveth utterance, there is no such thing as different explanations of the scriptures, and we, being clothed with the Priesthood of the Son of God, announce salvation from this world, for refuge and freedom are found only under the righteous dominion of the Almighty. If what you are saying is true, why is it very apparent that there is ONLY such thing as different explanations of the scriptures, even within your own religion, not to mention the wider range of Christian sects? Why would God tolerate such confusion about his intent to be so widespread? Souls are at stake, yet He doesn’t mind endless scriptural debate due to the obvious unclearness of man’s transcription of his word? Why not clarify everything in no uncertain terms. Why the drama of silence and non-demonstration of His power since unverifiable biblical time? And if he is not silent and "giveth utterance" through latter day Prophets, why are these not in accord with each other and often in utter opposition? They are all questionable or God tolerates misrepresentation of his will and words and intentions, and allows souls to be put in potential peril.

 Doctrine and Covenants, section 132, verse 8 says,"Behold, mine house is a house of order, saith the Lord God, and not a house of confusion." Yet as you point out, we have all these pastors,ministers, and evangelists preaching the Word of God on TV, in their Baptist, Protestant, Catholic, etc. churches, interpreting the scriptures from their own opinion and never being able to tell you what the "mysteries of God" are. Secterianism is a sign of the apostasized state of Christianity after the 12 Apostles of Jesus Christ died. Ater that, the keys of the Priesthood disappeared from the earth and the light of God that has always been necessary to advance civilization such as technology and such disappeared, bringing in the middle ages in Europe. The Priesthood was restored to the earth when translated Apostles, Peter, James, and John ordained Joseph Smith the Prophet the keys of the Melchizedek Priesthood. Joseph Smith when he was an adolescent was perplexed as you are about the different sects of churches, and prayed about it and the Father and the Son appeared in front of his own eyes in glorious bodies: (Pearl of Great Price | JS-History 1:14 – 20) 4 So, in accordance with this, my determination to ask of God, I retired to the woods to make the attempt.  It was on the morning of a beautiful, clear day, early in the spring of eighteen hundred and twenty.  It was the first time in my life that I had made such an attempt, for midst all my anxieties I had never as yet made the attempt to pray vocally. 15  After I had retired to the place where I had previously designed to go, having looked around me, and finding myself alone, I kneeled down and began to offer up the desires of my heart to God.  I had scarcely done so, when immediately I was seized upon by some power which entirely overcame me, and had such an astonishing influence over me as to bind my tongue so that I could not speak.  Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction. 16  But, exerting all my powers to call upon God to deliver me out of the power of this enemy which had seized upon me, and at the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction-not to an imaginary ruin, but to the power of some actual being from the unseen world, who had such marvelous power as I had never before felt in any being-just at this moment of great alarm, I saw a pillar of clight exactly over my head, above the brightness of the dsun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me. 17  It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound.  When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other-This is My Beloved Son.  Hear Him! 18  My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join.  No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)-and which I should join. 19  I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: "they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof." 20  He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time.  When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven.  When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home.  And as I leaned up to the fireplace, bmother inquired what the matter was.  I replied, "Never mind, all is well-I am well enough off."  I then said to my mother, "I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true."  It seems as though the adversary was aware, at a very early period of my life, that I was destined to prove a disturber and an annoyer of his kingdom; else why should the powers of darkness combine against me? Why the opposition and persecution that arose against me, almost in my infancy? Joseph Smith the Prophet said, "All men are liars who say they are of the true Church without the revelations of Jesus Christ and the Priesthood of Melchizedek, which is after the order of the Son of God." What is the Melchizedek Priesthood? Discourses of Brigham Young pg 130 "If anybody wants to know what the Priesthood of the Son of God is, it is the law by which the worlds are, were, and will continue forever and ever. It is that system which brings worlds into existence and peoples them, gives them their revolutions-their days, weeks, months, years, their seasons and times and by which they are rolled up as a scroll, as it were, and go into a higher state of existence." We’re talking about about real power of God. We’re speaking of a system of apostles and revelations just like in the ancient days of Israel when the Bible was being written not some modern cathedral and their silly over righteous man made rules about what you can eat and what you can wear, etc masquerading in godliness. Adam, Enoch, Moses, David, Jesus Christ, etc. all held the keys of the Melchizedek Priesthood. Hebrews 5:8-10 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that overy him; 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. "This Priesthood has been on the earth at various times. Adam had it, Seth had it, Enoch had it, Noah had it, Abraham and Lot had it, and it was handed down to the days of the Prophets, long after the days of the ancients. This High Priesthood rules, directs, governs, and controls all the Priesthoods, because it is the hightest of all."pg.131 DBY "When a man merely from a spirit of conviction goes forth to build up the Kingdom of God- to refrom the nations of the earth, he can go so far as morality operateds upon and enlightens him; but he is without authority from heaven. We are under no obligation to ovey any man or being in matters pertaining to salvation, unless his words have the authority and sanction of the holy Priesthood." pg135 DBY "I never passed John Wesley’s church in London without stopping to look at it. Was he a good man? Yes, I suppose him to have been ,by all accounts, as good as ever walked on this earth, according to his knowledge. Has he obtained a rest? Yes, and greater than ever entered his mind to expect; and so have thousands of others of the various religious denominations. Why could he not build up the Kingdom of God on the earth? He had not the Priesthood, that was all the difficulty he labored under. Had the Priesthood been conferred upon him, he would have built up the Kingdom of God in his day as it is now being built up. He would have introduced the ordinances, powers,grades, and quorums of the Priesthoo; but, not holding the Priesthood, he could not do it. Did the Spirit of God rest upon him.? Yes, and does, more or less, at times, upon all people." pg.136 DBY I know these things are true because I’ve felt the Holy Spirit powerfully testifying of the works taught by Joseph Smith. This is how I can speak boldly on these matters. So who is the Enoch, Moses, David, Peter of this generation? Who is the Lord’s annointed for this generation? He is the prophet prophesized in Doctrines and Covenants 85:7 and Isaiah 11:10 and 28:2, called the One Mighty and Strong, who will redeem the Church of Jesus Christ from its apostasized state and help build Zion, that is New Jerusalem in Missouri, US in preparation of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The Mormon Church used to be a legitimate church till they apostasized by giving the seed of Cain, the Negro , the Priesthood. Doctrines & Covenants 103:15-18: 15 Behold, I say unto you, the redemption of Zion must needs come by power; 16 Therefore, I will raise up unto my people a man, who shall lead them like as Moses led the children of Israel. 17 For ye are the children of Israel, and of the seed of Abraham, and ye must needs be led out of bondage by power, and … read more »

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What is the Kingdom of God? Today (Sun), on August 25, at 7 pm PST, we will talk about the meaning of Kingdom of God, as it is a very misunderstood topic that has been ’spiritualized’ away. Will focus especially on the book of Daniel, chapters 2 and 7 and on the straight and narrow path that leads to salvation in the Kingdom of God. Go to:   http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=artbulla for 24/7 Internet radio talks on the Gospel of salvation pertainining to this generation (concerning the present day apostasy/bondage and redemption from it: the Lord’s will in gathering his people into one to come out of Babylon the great as commanded), with live broadcasts Sun and Wed at 7 pm PST every week. 2 Peter 1:20-21 20  Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21  For the prophecy came NOT in old time BY THE WILL OF MAN: but holy men of God spake as they were MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. As it is the Holy Ghost that giveth utterance, there is no such thing as different explanations of the scriptures, and we, being clothed with the Priesthood of the Son of God, announce salvation from this world, for refuge and freedom are found only under the righteous dominion of the Almighty. Isaiah 4:3-6 3  And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in ZION, and he that remaineth in JERUSALEM, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem: 4  When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning. 5  And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence. 6  And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain. Yea, the Holy Ghost expressly indicates to quote 2 Nephi 30:10, 10  For the time speedily cometh that the Lord God shall cause A GREAT DIVISION among the people, and the wicked will he destroy; and he will spare his people, yea, even if it so be that he must destroy the wicked by fire. Mormon 4:5 5  But, behold, the judgments of God will overtake the wicked; and it is by the wicked that the wicked are punished; for it is the wicked that stir up the hearts of the children of men unto bloodshed. Doctrine and Covenants 63:32-34 32  I, the Lord, am angry with the wicked; I am holding my Spirit from the inhabitants of the earth. 33  I have sworn in my wrath, and decreed wars upon the face of the earth, and the wicked shall slay the wicked, and fear shall come upon every man; 34  And the saints also shall hardly escape; nevertheless, I, the Lord, am with them, and will come down in heaven from the presence of my Father and consume the wicked with unquenchable fire. Doctrine and Covenants 87:1-3 1  Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls; 2  And the time will come that war will be poured out upon all nations, beginning at this place. 3  For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other nations, in order to defend themselves against other nations; and then war shall be poured out upon all nations. Doctrine and Covenants 130:12-13 12  I prophesy, in the name of the Lord God, that the commencement of the difficulties which will cause much bloodshed previous to the coming of the Son of Man will be in South Carolina. 13  It may probably arise through the slave question.  This a voice declared to me, while I was praying earnestly on the subject, December 25th, 1832. Ecclesiastes 1:9-11 9  The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10  Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new?  it hath been already of old time, which was before us. 11  There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after. http://artbulla.com During broadcast or afterwards, should you have any questions, feel free to chat with us and ask questions through Microsoft Internet Messenger. You can download Internet Messenger for real time chat from http://messenger.microsoft.com In order to find me on MSN Messenger, my email address for that is Jong Kim

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The "Gospel of Thomas" was not written by the Apostle Saint Thomas, who was faithful to the Apostolic Tradition, since he was himself one of the Twelve. What evidence do you have for this claim? Because the document itself contradicts Apostolic Tradition. Er, that shows he did not write it how?

Um, he was an Apostle…? Do you get it … "Apostolic" Tradition, from the "Apostles"…?

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The "Gospel of Thomas" was not written by the Apostle Saint Thomas, who was faithful to the Apostolic Tradition, since he was himself one of the Twelve. What evidence do you have for this claim? Because the document itself contradicts Apostolic Tradition.

Er, that shows he did not write it how? — Alan Ferris eligo, ergo sum Atheist #1211 EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div. When the only colour is black –     the only sound     the broken bell THEN talk to me about why.          Spike Milligan www.arcerland.com ICQ UIN: 12811297

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The "Gospel of Thomas" was not written by the Apostle Saint Thomas, who was faithful to the Apostolic Tradition, since he was himself one of the Twelve. What evidence do you have for this claim?

Because the document itself contradicts Apostolic Tradition.

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The "Gospel of Thomas" was not written by the Apostle Saint Thomas, who was faithful to the Apostolic Tradition, since he was himself one of the Twelve.

What evidence do you have for this claim? — Alan Ferris eligo, ergo sum Atheist #1211 EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div. When the only colour is black –     the only sound     the broken bell THEN talk to me about why.          Spike Milligan www.arcerland.com ICQ UIN: 12811297

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t be concerned with Will, hes still smarting over having got his butt kicked over a few scriptural debates. I get this distinct feeling that deep down he does not take humble pie to graciously. He also realises that I have made a few worthwhile points and have proven that what he held so dearly sits upon a foundation of quicksand. You make a joke, right? You and I both know that both the Catholic Church AND Holy Scripture support the truth, which is that God is in fact Triune. I observe a sudden deep sense of desperation and paranoia in yours and Wills posts. What’s up boys?? You wish…? Peter Terry has a mission — he’s got to steer as many as possible away from the truth, by whatever means he can find. Such is the price he pays for exalting himself. Your quite right of course Joseph. The mission is to save Jesus from those who have harmed him so, over the past 2000 years. I guess, if you think, as you do, that Jesus is not omnipotent, then I guess he needs you to save him. I could stop right here — you have just proclaimed it is your mission to save Jesus. That is the most definitive twist yet. I have to hand it to you — now you are going to be the Savior of the Lord Jesus! Wow! Facts are dude the Thomas Gospels fragments are still the earliest surviving and most pristine Christian writings in existence. There is no evidence whatsoever that Saint Thomas the Apostle wrote the "Gospel of Thomas." And plenty of evidence — from the document itself — that it is a Gnostic forgery. OH I would be most interested to see some scholarly evidence supporting this other than your local priest. Put up or shut up!! Someone posted the "Gospel of Thomas" here some time ago. Some of its saying were of obvious Gnostic origin. Tell you what — if you post it — I will show you where it contradicts the real Gospel. But I’m not going to bother myself with doing your research. You and I both know that the Church does not reagrd the "Gospel of Thomas" as canonical, and on this newsgroup, the Church has the final say in everything. So since it is you who want to contradict that basic premise, it is you who will have to do the work. hint<<.. Thomas is not Gnostic The "Gospel of Thomas" was not written by the Apostle Saint Thomas, who was faithful to the Apostolic Tradition, since he was himself one of the Twelve. But hey — whatever you need to use, to save Jesus, I’m sure he’ll be eternally grateful.

You are a closed mind Joseph..bad luck mate.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t be concerned with Will, hes still smarting over having got his butt kicked over a few scriptural debates. I get this distinct feeling that deep down he does not take humble pie to graciously. He also realises that I have made a few worthwhile points and have proven that what he held so dearly sits upon a foundation of quicksand. You make a joke, right? You and I both know that both the Catholic Church AND Holy Scripture support the truth, which is that God is in fact Triune. I observe a sudden deep sense of desperation and paranoia in yours and Wills posts. What’s up boys?? You wish…? Peter Terry has a mission — he’s got to steer as many as possible away from the truth, by whatever means he can find. Such is the price he pays for exalting himself. Your quite right of course Joseph. The mission is to save Jesus from those who have harmed him so, over the past 2000 years. I guess, if you think, as you do, that Jesus is not omnipotent, then I guess he needs you to save him. I could stop right here — you have just proclaimed it is your mission to save Jesus. That is the most definitive twist yet. I have to hand it to you — now you are going to be the Savior of the Lord Jesus! Wow! Facts are dude the Thomas Gospels fragments are still the earliest surviving and most pristine Christian writings in existence. There is no evidence whatsoever that Saint Thomas the Apostle wrote the "Gospel of Thomas." And plenty of evidence — from the document itself — that it is a Gnostic forgery. OH I would be most interested to see some scholarly evidence supporting this other than your local priest. Put up or shut up!!

Someone posted the "Gospel of Thomas" here some time ago. Some of its saying were of obvious Gnostic origin. Tell you what — if you post it — I will show you where it contradicts the real Gospel. But I’m not going to bother myself with doing your research. You and I both know that the Church does not reagrd the "Gospel of Thomas" as canonical, and on this newsgroup, the Church has the final say in everything. So since it is you who want to contradict that basic premise, it is you who will have to do the work. hint<<.. Thomas is not Gnostic

The "Gospel of Thomas" was not written by the Apostle Saint Thomas, who was faithful to the Apostolic Tradition, since he was himself one of the Twelve. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But hey — whatever you need to use, to save Jesus, I’m sure he’ll be eternally grateful.

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Don’t be concerned with Will, hes still smarting over having got his butt kicked over a few scriptural debates. I get this distinct feeling that deep down he does not take humble pie to graciously. He also realises that I have made a few worthwhile points and have proven that what he held so dearly sits upon a foundation of quicksand.

You make a joke, right? You and I both know that both the Catholic Church AND Holy Scripture support the truth, which is that God is in fact Triune. I observe a sudden deep sense of desperation and paranoia in yours and Wills posts. What’s up boys??

You wish…? Peter Terry has a mission — he’s got to steer as many as possible away from the truth, by whatever means he can find. Such is the price he pays for exalting himself. Your quite right of course Joseph. The mission is to save Jesus from those who have harmed him so, over the past 2000 years.

I guess, if you think, as you do, that Jesus is not omnipotent, then I guess he needs you to save him. I could stop right here — you have just proclaimed it is your mission to save Jesus. That is the most definitive twist yet. I have to hand it to you — now you are going to be the Savior of the Lord Jesus! Wow! Facts are dude the Thomas Gospels fragments are still the earliest surviving and most pristine Christian writings in existence.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Saint Thomas the Apostle wrote the "Gospel of Thomas." And plenty of evidence — from the document itself — that it is a Gnostic forgery. But hey — whatever you need to use, to save Jesus, I’m sure he’ll be eternally grateful.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PeterT said: The kingdom of god is within you…not outside, here or there but within you personally. Peter, what does this mean to you or rather what do you mean by this? My inquiring mind wants to know. Revealed are the mysteries of Creation, God, Christ and human life from the knowledge that is already implanted from within. Before even the creation of the world was the ‘word’ and the ‘word’ was God…that this kingdom of God is within us. If we are products of God as Genesis and Christ tells us then that aspect of God, knowledge or truth remains by natural deduction within our abilities to fathom. Because by fact of creation, (Genisis), the truth is already within our psychology or subconscious so to speak, hence the effort towards looking for or defining it can replace the hellishness of ignorance thus resulting in eternal life. The kinds of answers to such profound mysteries are simply not available in mainstream as if they were secrets of creation and to which I am convinced have quite logical and reasonable answer to…providing we can remove from ourselves layer after layer of traditional biological, religious and cultural disinformation. (oops). "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so Luke 8:10, and Matt13:11, Mark 4:11. Even your mate Paul spoke as such of the secrets of creation, 1Corr2:6-7, 1Corr4:1. The search for God can begin by taking oneself as the starting point or primal building block. We find truth by understanding the nature of our sorrows, joys, loves and hatred. By investigating these realities as they relate to us personally or observing how they impact upon our spirituality, we will find the actual nature of God as profoundly and ultimately reflected within ourselves. Hence Jesus’ assertion that kingdom of God is within. (It is the spirit that quickenith the flesh profits nothing.  God is Spirit.) Resurrection in my opinion has nothing to do with the biologically dead rising up in their old bodies, but everything to do with finding for ourselves the kingdom of God and consciously stepping out of or aside from this physical or biologically based torment if you like..i.e..as an option eternal life without biological rebirth. The simple answer is Angela, that we are caught up in bodies of evolved animals thus the regressional aspects of human nature and thus our needs to best defend our spirituality from such ill founded genetic realities.(original sin). Either we change biologically to a new physical condition more conducive to Godhead or we move on to another dimension…lol  ;-) Hey! Jesus himself advocated that.."Seek and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you" and "The kingdom of God does not come in such a way as to be seen, no one will say that ‘here it is’ or ‘there it is’ the Kingdom of God is within you."  Interestingly the Gospel of Thomas has Jesus saying in Thm:113…Quote. His disciples said to him, "When will the Kingdom come?" and Jesus answers, " It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying ‘here it is or there it is.’ Rather the Kingdom of the Father is spreading out upon the earth, and men do not see it." Trust me here Angela, Thomas is not referring to Christianity in his assumption because Christianity did not yet exist when Jesus was said to have made this, statement. By mere deduction I read between the Biblical and Thomas quotes that, the kingdom of God is to be firstly developed within oneself and subsequently it’s reflection by nature of living is been manifested threw the world. "Though shall be done on this earth as it is in heaven" or "there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth." Matthew 28:19 clearly identifies the Trinity.   If other Catholics are still reading these debates, please sound off – Matthew 28:19 – Trinity, or Trinity not scriptural It’s not a vote, Will. It’s not a matter of how many support Catholicism vs. Peterterryism. Don’t be concerned with Will, hes still smarting over having got his butt kicked over a few scriptural debates. I get this distinct feeling that deep down he does not take humble pie to graciously. He also realises that I have made a few worthwhile points and have proven that what he held  so dearly sits upon a foundation of quicksand.

Haven’t gotten my butt kicked.  I refute your misquotes & lies with clear biblical passages.  You, instead of debating the passages, insult me instead. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You and I both know that both the Catholic Church AND Holy Scripture support the truth, which is that God is in fact Triune. I observe a sudden deep sense of desperation and paranoia in yours and Wills posts. What’s up boys?? Peter Terry has a mission — he’s got to steer as many as possible away from the truth, by whatever means he can find. Such is the price he pays for exalting himself. Your quite right of course Joseph. The mission is to save Jesus from those who have harmed him so, over the past 2000 years. And from those institutions who have committed acts of atrocity and human rights violations in his name hence discrediting and mudding his spirit. (A sin against the Holy Spirit is never forgiven). What a predictable and cunning trick for satan to take over Jesus’ church after killing Jesus and the Holy Family, and then reconstituting the church in his own  Roman Pagan image. "And no marvel, for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."  "Standing in the Holy place is the AWFUL HORROR where it should not be."

Jesus doesn’t need saving from the likes of you.  Jesus came to save US. Once again Peter – what’s the Holy Place Jesus is referring to there?  What exactly is the significance of that?  Do you know?  Do you have a clue? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interestingly the Gospel of Thomas, which can no longer be ignored,(a list of saying by Jesus that are dated to around his generation), has Jesus saying, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you." Why can it no longer be ignored?  Because YOU say so?  On who’s authority do you speak?  Clearly not God’s. Facts are dude the Thomas Gospels fragments are still the earliest surviving and most pristine Christian writings in existence. There are NO surviving copies of Paul’s epistles, or the other gospels that are dated that early. Except for the Ryland fragments of John and not all scholars agree on their dating.

Facts are – you have no authority to tell ANYONE what is pristine & not regarding Christianity.  You don’t understand Christianity or Jesus. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – interpretation — that’s what Peter Terry is allabout. Next he’ll be telling you the letters of Peter are phony. What!!! Sorry to throw a spanner in the works Angela… but you did ask. PeterT Angela Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com   With Seven Servers In California And Texas – The Worlds Uncensored News Source

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PeterT said: The kingdom of god is within you…not outside, here or there but within you personally. Peter, what does this mean to you or rather what do you mean by this? My inquiring mind wants to know. Revealed are the mysteries of Creation, God, Christ and human life from the knowledge that is already implanted from within. Before even the creation of the world was the ‘word’ and the ‘word’ was God…that this kingdom of God is within us. If we are products of God as Genesis and Christ tells us then that aspect of God, knowledge or truth remains by natural deduction within our abilities to fathom. Because by fact of creation, (Genisis), the truth is already within our psychology or subconscious so to speak, hence the effort towards looking for or defining it can replace the hellishness of ignorance thus resulting in eternal life. The kinds of answers to such profound mysteries are simply not available in mainstream as if they were secrets of creation and to which I am convinced have quite logical and reasonable answer to…providing we can remove from ourselves layer after layer of traditional biological, religious and cultural disinformation. (oops). "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so Luke 8:10, and Matt13:11, Mark 4:11. Even your mate Paul spoke as such of the secrets of creation, 1Corr2:6-7, 1Corr4:1. The search for God can begin by taking oneself as the starting point or primal building block. We find truth by understanding the nature of our sorrows, joys, loves and hatred. By investigating these realities as they relate to us personally or observing how they impact upon our spirituality, we will find the actual nature of God as profoundly and ultimately reflected within ourselves. Hence Jesus’ assertion that kingdom of God is within. (It is the spirit that quickenith the flesh profits nothing.  God is Spirit.) Resurrection in my opinion has nothing to do with the biologically dead rising up in their old bodies, but everything to do with finding for ourselves the kingdom of God and consciously stepping out of or aside from this physical or biologically based torment if you like..i.e..as an option eternal life without biological rebirth. The simple answer is Angela, that we are caught up in bodies of evolved animals thus the regressional aspects of human nature and thus our needs to best defend our spirituality from such ill founded genetic realities.(original sin). Either we change biologically to a new physical condition more conducive to Godhead or we move on to another dimension…lol  ;-) Hey! Jesus himself advocated that.."Seek and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you" and "The kingdom of God does not come in such a way as to be seen, no one will say that ‘here it is’ or ‘there it is’ the Kingdom of God is within you."  Interestingly the Gospel of Thomas has Jesus saying in Thm:113…Quote. His disciples said to him, "When will the Kingdom come?" and Jesus answers, " It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying ‘here it is or there it is.’ Rather the Kingdom of the Father is spreading out upon the earth, and men do not see it."  Trust me here Angela, Thomas is not referring to Christianity in his assumption because Christianity did not yet exist when Jesus was said to have made this, statement. By mere deduction I read between the Biblical and Thomas quotes that, the kingdom of God is to be firstly developed within oneself and subsequently it’s reflection by nature of living is been manifested threw the world. "Though shall be done on this earth as it is in heaven" or "there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth." Matthew 28:19 clearly identifies the Trinity.   If other Catholics are still reading these debates, please sound off – Matthew 28:19 – Trinity, or Trinity not scriptural It’s not a vote, Will. It’s not a matter of how many support Catholicism vs. Peterterryism.

Don’t be concerned with Will, hes still smarting over having got his butt kicked over a few scriptural debates. I get this distinct feeling that deep down he does not take humble pie to graciously. He also realises that I have made a few worthwhile points and have proven that what he held  so dearly sits upon a foundation of quicksand. You and I both know that both the Catholic Church AND Holy Scripture support the truth, which is that God is in fact Triune.

I observe a sudden deep sense of desperation and paranoia in yours and Wills posts. What’s up boys?? Peter Terry has a mission — he’s got to steer as many as possible away from the truth, by whatever means he can find. Such is the price he pays for exalting himself.

Your quite right of course Joseph. The mission is to save Jesus from those who have harmed him so, over the past 2000 years. And from those institutions who have committed acts of atrocity and human rights violations in his name hence discrediting and mudding his spirit. (A sin against the Holy Spirit is never forgiven). What a predictable and cunning trick for satan to take over Jesus’ church after killing Jesus and the Holy Family, and then reconstituting the church in his own  Roman Pagan image. "And no marvel, for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."  "Standing in the Holy place is the AWFUL HORROR where it should not be." Interestingly the Gospel of Thomas, which can no longer be ignored,(a list of saying by Jesus that are dated to around his generation), has Jesus saying, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you." Why can it no longer be ignored?  Because YOU say so?  On who’s authority do you speak?  Clearly not God’s.

Facts are dude the Thomas Gospels fragments are still the earliest surviving and most pristine Christian writings in existence. There are NO surviving copies of Paul’s epistles, or the other gospels that are dated that early. Except for the Ryland fragments of John and not all scholars agree on their dating. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -interpretation — that’s what Peter Terry is all about. Next he’ll be telling you the letters of Peter are phony. What!!! Sorry to throw a spanner in the works Angela… but you did ask. PeterT Angela Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PeterT said: The kingdom of god is within you…not outside, here or there but within you personally. Peter, what does this mean to you or rather what do you mean by this? My inquiring mind wants to know. Revealed are the mysteries of Creation, God, Christ and human life from the knowledge that is already implanted from within. Before even the creation of the world was the ‘word’ and the ‘word’ was God…that this kingdom of God is within us. If we are products of God as Genesis and Christ tells us then that aspect of God, knowledge or truth remains by natural deduction within our abilities to fathom. Because by fact of creation, (Genisis), the truth is already within our psychology or subconscious so to speak, hence the effort towards looking for or defining it can replace the hellishness of ignorance thus resulting in eternal life. The kinds of answers to such profound mysteries are simply not available in mainstream as if they were secrets of creation and to which I am convinced have quite logical and reasonable answer to…providing we can remove from ourselves layer after layer of traditional biological, religious and cultural disinformation. (oops). "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God Luke 8:10, and Matt13:11, Mark 4:11. Even your mate Paul spoke as such of the secrets of creation, 1Corr2:6-7, 1Corr4:1. The search for God can begin by taking oneself as the starting point or primal building block. We find truth by understanding the nature of our sorrows, joys, loves and hatred. By investigating these realities as they relate to us personally or observing how they impact upon our spirituality, we will find the actual nature of God as profoundly and ultimately reflected within ourselves. Hence Jesus’ assertion that kingdom of God is within. (It is the spirit that quickenith the flesh profits nothing.  God is Spirit.) Resurrection in my opinion has nothing to do with the biologically dead rising up in their old bodies, but everything to do with finding for ourselves the kingdom of God and consciously stepping out of or aside from this physical or biologically based torment if you like..i.e..as an option eternal life without biological rebirth. The simple answer is Angela, that we are caught up in bodies of evolved animals thus the regressional aspects of human nature and thus our needs to best defend our spirituality from such ill founded genetic realities.(original sin). Either we change biologically to a new physical condition more conducive to Godhead or we move on to another dimension…lol  ;-) Hey! Jesus himself advocated that.."Seek and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you" and "The kingdom of God does not come in such a way as to be seen, no one will say that ‘here it is’ or ‘there it is’ the Kingdom of God is within you."  Interestingly the Gospel of Thomas has Jesus saying in Thm:113…Quote. His disciples said to him, "When will the Kingdom come?" and Jesus answers, " It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying ‘here it is or there it is.’ Rather the Kingdom of the Father is spreading out upon the earth, and men do not see it."  Trust me here Angela, Thomas is not referring to Christianity in his assumption because Christianity did not yet exist when Jesus was said to have made this, statement. By mere deduction I read between the Biblical and Thomas quotes that, the kingdom of God is to be firstly developed within oneself and subsequently it’s reflection by nature of living is been manifested threw the world. "Though shall be done on this earth as it is in heaven" or "there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth." Matthew 28:19 clearly identifies the Trinity.   If other Catholics are still reading these debates, please sound off – Matthew 28:19 – Trinity, or Trinity not scriptural

It’s not a vote, Will. It’s not a matter of how many support Catholicism vs. Peterterryism. You and I both know that both the Catholic Church AND Holy Scripture support the truth, which is that God is in fact Triune. Peter Terry has a mission — he’s got to steer as many as possible away from the truth, by whatever means he can find. Such is the price he pays for exalting himself. Interestingly the Gospel of Thomas, which can no longer be ignored,(a list of saying by Jesus that are dated to around his generation), has Jesus saying, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you." Why can it no longer be ignored?  Because YOU say so?  On who’s authority do you speak?  Clearly not God’s.

It’s called private interpretation — that’s what Peter Terry is all about. Next he’ll be telling you the letters of Peter are phony. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry to throw a spanner in the works Angela… but you did ask. PeterT Angela Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com   With Seven Servers In California And Texas – The Worlds Uncensored News Source

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PeterT said: The kingdom of god is within you…not outside, here or there but within you personally. Peter, what does this mean to you or rather what do you mean by this? My inquiring mind wants to know. Revealed are the mysteries of Creation, God, Christ and human life from the knowledge that is already implanted from within. Before even the creation of the world was the ‘word’ and the ‘word’ was God…that this kingdom of God is within us. If we are products of God as Genesis and Christ tells us then that aspect of God, knowledge or truth remains by natural deduction within our abilities to fathom. Because by fact of creation, (Genisis), the truth is already within our psychology or subconscious so to speak, hence the effort towards looking for or defining it can replace the hellishness of ignorance thus resulting in eternal life. The kinds of answers to such profound mysteries are simply not available in mainstream as if they were secrets of creation and to which I am convinced have quite logical and reasonable answer to…providing we can remove from ourselves layer after layer of traditional biological, religious and cultural disinformation. (oops). "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God Luke 8:10, and Matt13:11, Mark 4:11. Even your mate Paul spoke as such of the secrets of creation, 1Corr2:6-7, 1Corr4:1. The search for God can begin by taking oneself as the starting point or primal building block. We find truth by understanding the nature of our sorrows, joys, loves and hatred. By investigating these realities as they relate to us personally or observing how they impact upon our spirituality, we will find the actual nature of God as profoundly and ultimately reflected within ourselves. Hence Jesus’ assertion that kingdom of God is within. (It is the spirit that quickenith the flesh profits nothing.  God is Spirit.) Resurrection in my opinion has nothing to do with the biologically dead rising up in their old bodies, but everything to do with finding for ourselves the kingdom of God and consciously stepping out of or aside from this physical or biologically based torment if you like..i.e..as an option eternal life without biological rebirth. The simple answer is Angela, that we are caught up in bodies of evolved animals thus the regressional aspects of human nature and thus our needs to best defend our spirituality from such ill founded genetic realities.(original sin). Either we change biologically to a new physical condition more conducive to Godhead or we move on to another dimension…lol  ;-) Hey! Jesus himself advocated that.."Seek and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you" and "The kingdom of God does not come in such a way as to be seen, no one will say that ‘here it is’ or ‘there it is’ the Kingdom of God is within you."  Interestingly the Gospel of Thomas has Jesus saying in Thm:113…Quote. His disciples said to him, "When will the Kingdom come?" and Jesus answers, " It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying ‘here it is or there it is.’ Rather the Kingdom of the Father is spreading out upon the earth, and men do not see it."  Trust me here Angela, Thomas is not referring to Christianity in his assumption because Christianity did not yet exist when Jesus was said to have made this, statement. By mere deduction I read between the Biblical and Thomas quotes that, the kingdom of God is to be firstly developed within oneself and subsequently it’s reflection by nature of living is been manifested threw the world. "Though shall be done on this earth as it is in heaven" or "there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth."

Matthew 28:19 clearly identifies the Trinity.   If other Catholics are still reading these debates, please sound off – Matthew 28:19 – Trinity, or Trinity not scriptural Interestingly the Gospel of Thomas, which can no longer be ignored,(a list of saying by Jesus that are dated to around his generation), has Jesus saying, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."

Why can it no longer be ignored?  Because YOU say so?  On who’s authority do you speak?  Clearly not God’s. Sorry to throw a spanner in the works Angela… but you did ask. PeterT Angela

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