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Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, When speaking of God’s fatherhood and the mankind as children of God, the bible refers to the relationship lost and regained and not geneology. The only time that geneology is used in the bible is to prove the line of Jesus Christ is directly linked to Adam. The bible in fact warns us against geneology. Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. The reason for this is that it is more important for us to focus on our relationship with God, assuming we have one in the first place and that it is a good one.
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A references to the judges of the old testament. Psalms 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. Psalms 82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Psalms 82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Psalms 82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. Psalms 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Psalms 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Psalms 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations. Because they were to discharge the justice of God. Though God admits their official dignity, he reminds them of their mortality. As rightful sovereign, God is invoked personally to correct the evils of His representatives. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re close. He does indeed work to make us more like him. It is also true that when he sees christians, he sees the finished work of Christ on the cross. However, we do not become Christ. Christ is the only begotten of the Father…the rest of us are adopted children of God John 10:34-35 " Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken……
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You are a silly reprobate, Mr. Moon. It is good when you publish your own words, authenticated with a sprinkling spelling errors instead of plagiarizing the publishing of others. You continue to show your stupidity Mr. Winter by poking fun. But you never answer the question. I think it’s because you don’t realize that the church is the bride of Christ. God used to be married to the Old Covenant but he devorced her, now he’s married to the New Covenant. But I’m sure that’s over your head. What is God to do about having two wives? Is not His position greater than that of a pastor? http://www.netjava.com/~moon Acts 2:38 Bad to the Bone Rev. Jerry Moon
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Empty, as it is. Do you have no undersatnding whatsoever? If I didn’t, of what value would my answer be?
Son of God Spirit of Truth The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
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Even if reprobate Bassett was not disqualified from the ministry because of a previous marriage, divorce and remarriage, his other Is God disqualified from being God because of a previous marriage? Do you denie that God has had two wives Mr. Winter? http://www.netjava.com/~moon Acts 2:38 Bad to the Bone Rev. Jerry Moon
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Jesus of Nazareth was merely the firstborn of many, the many Sons God shall raise up.
Here is how we know antichrist. Check out the word "mere" here. These folks cannot help it. They HAVE TO reduce Jesus Christ in stature, because they, in fact, reject Him as the Almightly God. Huldah’s trinitarianism and Chariot’s Arianism are just another species of reduction of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the ONLY GOD, friends… Jesus is where the focus is. Jesus is where the issues are. Jesus is where salvation is. You should be able to realize this from seeing where almost EVERY argument originates and goes to. Get used to submitting to HIM now, because you will forever. Believe on Him today, and receive an eternity full of everlastig joy and peace in our Lord!
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Jesus of Nazareth was merely the firstborn of many, the many Sons God shall raise up. Here is how we know antichrist. Check out the word "mere" here.
Perfect. Michael Christ
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Do you have no undersatnding whatsoever?
If I didn’t, of what value would my answer be?
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Jesus is the ONLY GOD, friends… Jesus is where the focus is. Jesus is where the issues are. Jesus is where salvation is.
Yes, Mr. Bassett, but you claim to be affiliated with "Jesus" while continuing in blatant sin like lying etc. Truly the reprobate Bassett has no conscience left whatsoever. Even if reprobate Bassett was not disqualified from the ministry because of a previous marriage, divorce and remarriage, his other malicious, deceitful and even ADMITTED criminal activities (some even documented at http://www.impsmail.org/bassett.html ) would also show that he is not even a real Christian, much less a "preacher". The real shame here is that a small handful of gullible souls in the Milford, CT area are actually looking to reprobate Mark Bassett as their pastor and the UPC Licensed him! I really never imagined I would ever see the day that a police officer would be sitting here copying the suspect details for a criminal complaint from the UPCI ministerial handbook, but that did happen when I first filed a formal criminal complaint about Mr. Bassett and his harassment by wire from iconn.net. He kept opening windows on my computer in front of the officer that was here, interrupting us even as I was printing the evidence for the officer. Any of you real, faithful, Oneness people reading out here need to think and pray long and hard about that one! Pray earnestly for them that God will let them see Mark W. Bassett for that which he is and that the Lord would reward Mark Bassett according to his works along with the pompous, backslidden, pride engorged UPC elders like David L MacDonald who knowingly support him. Rev. Steve Winter — "Winters, you are a blabbering heretic. In a truly godly nation you would be executed for publicly promoting your heretical doctrines." – Tom Albrecht trinitarian deceiver 2000 "Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) – Brian Boggs cultist 2000 "lying to mr. winter is just a defense" – Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999 "It isnt a salvation issue…" - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical holiness "Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." – Raymond W Knapp 2000 "…God is Triune in nature…" – Raymond W Knapp 2000 http://www.prerapture.org PreRapture Ministry Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal See Bassett and Knapp in action at http://www.impsmail.org
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Some newsgroups re-added. Jesus is the ONLY GOD, friends… Jesus is where the focus is. Jesus is where the issues are. Jesus is where salvation is. Yes, Mr. Bassett, but you claim to be <snip
You are a real piece of work. I don’t know what to make of you with that rediculous .sig.I think you are a fraud, a fake, because no-one normal carries around that type of hateful baggage. What sort of Reverand are you? Dont bother to answer, I am killfilling you before I read any more of your FUCKING SANCTIMONIOUS TRASH MiKa-il
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Do you have no undersatnding whatsoever? 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church: 25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jesus of Nazareth was merely the firstborn of many, the many Sons God shall raise up. Here is how we know antichrist. Check out the word "mere" here. These folks cannot help it. They HAVE TO reduce Jesus Christ in stature, because they, in fact, reject Him as the Almightly God. Huldah’s trinitarianism and Chariot’s Arianism are just another species of reduction of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the ONLY GOD, friends… Jesus is where the focus is. Jesus is where the issues are. Jesus is where salvation is. You should be able to realize this from seeing where almost EVERY argument originates and goes to. Get used to submitting to HIM now, because you will forever. Believe on Him today, and receive an eternity full of everlastig joy and peace in our Lord!
Son of God Spirit of Truth The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
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Even if reprobate Bassett was not disqualified from the ministry because of a previous marriage, divorce and remarriage, his other Is God disqualified from being God because of a previous marriage? Do you denie that God has had two wives Mr. Winter?
You are a silly reprobate, Mr. Moon. It is good when you publish your own words, authenticated with a sprinkling spelling errors instead of plagiarizing the publishing of others. Thank you for sharing with us your core beliefs, Jerry. Jerry and Mark are so desperate to somehow try to justify themselves since they are both disqualified from the ministry due to divorce and remarriage (not to mention their lying, heresy, etc and etc). The real tragedy here is that there are some uneducated and gullible souls in Borger, Texas that really are looking to the little con man Jerry Moon as their pastor. I ask any real Christians reading here to agree with me in prayer that the Lord would let them see Mr. Moon for exactly what he is and that the Lord would reward him according to his works. Of course even if Mr. Moon was not already disqualified from the ministry because of his blatant lying, his other activities, some documented at http://www.impsmail.org/jerrmoon.html would also show that he is not even a Christian, much less a "preacher". See impsmail for samples of his blackmail attempts, lying, heresy and deceitfulness. The BAO and ABI really are nothing more than spiritual sewers and Mr. Moon is a walking testimony to that fact. Rev. sTeve Winter — "Winters, you are a blabbering heretic. In a truly godly nation you would be executed for publicly promoting your heretical doctrines." – Tom Albrecht trinitarian deceiver 2000 "Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) – Brian Boggs cultist 2000 "lying to mr. winter is just a defense" – Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999 "It isnt a salvation issue…" - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical holiness "Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." – Raymond W Knapp 2000 "…God is Triune in nature…" – Raymond W Knapp 2000 http://www.prerapture.org PreRapture Ministry Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal See Bassett and Knapp in action at http://www.impsmail.org
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The Revelation of Jesus Christ. or The revelation of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Which one is Him, and which one is about Him? This says the Lord… "Do you want to know Me, or about the things that I do?" Correction.
Correcting the Lord eh. The Revelation of Jesus Christ IS The Revelation of the Teachings of Jesus Christ. To say otherwise is to call Jesus Christ a liar. The only way to know the Father is to be the Son.
Jesus is not a teaching mighty1, he is a Person. For example, a lecturer may give a lecture about himself, is the lecture the lecturer? No. The lecturer is something much more, he is a person. The Revelation of Jesus is Him, His Person. His teachings tell you **about** Him…His nature, His Father’s nature. The only way to know the Father is to be the Son.
The only way to know the Father is through the Son. Yet, I am not ignorant of your theological stand…perhaps you better read this post again… ‘The Adopted (Chosen) Son of God.’ A Son is not the Father. A Son is not Jesus. Yet… A Son is the Father. A Son is Jesus. For they are one Spirit. Simple. :-).
Michael Christ PS Please Mighty1 let go of the DWS theology, it is as dead as an ‘it’. This says the Lord… "Do you want to know Me, or about the things that I do?"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Revelation of Jesus Christ IS The Revelation of the Teachings of Jesus Christ. So then the teachings of Jesus Christ come to you as a revelation. You have to develop a relationship with the Father to have Him reveal to you the Teachings of Jesus Christ? This only comes as you grow in union with the Father?
The revelation is but the realization of the teachings for yourself. Let me ask you something. Do you think it is possible for a man to desire God, seek God, and find God, and for God to reveal Himself to this man, without this man ever knowing of Jesus or the bible? And this man, having had this relationship with God for several years, one day finds a bible, and finds that what Jesus taught in the bible, he himself had already been doing all along? Who is this man? To say otherwise is to call Jesus Christ a liar. The only way to know the Father is to be the Son. Is there scripture you’ve received that shows that to say otherwise is to call Jesus a liar or does that come just thru revelation?
It is the revelation of the meaning of scriptures concerning Jesus and his teachings. To say that what Jesus declared to be truth of a matter other than what he said is in other words calling him a liar. How do you be the son without knowing the Father if the revelation of Jesus comes from revelation from the Father?
Read the parable of the prodigal son.
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Believe whatever you want. You are the one without the gate. And the "word" you have is for yourself. You can’t give away something you do not possess…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Revelation of Jesus Christ. or The revelation of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Which one is Him, and which one is about Him? This says the Lord… "Do you want to know Me, or about the things that I do?" Correction. Correcting the Lord eh. The Revelation of Jesus Christ IS The Revelation of the Teachings of Jesus Christ. To say otherwise is to call Jesus Christ a liar. The only way to know the Father is to be the Son. Jesus is not a teaching mighty1, he is a Person. For example, a lecturer may give a lecture about himself, is the lecture the lecturer? No. The lecturer is something much more, he is a person. The Revelation of Jesus is Him, His Person. His teachings tell you **about** Him…His nature, His Father’s nature. The only way to know the Father is to be the Son. The only way to know the Father is through the Son. Yet, I am not ignorant of your theological stand…perhaps you better read this post again… ‘The Adopted (Chosen) Son of God.’ A Son is not the Father. A Son is not Jesus. Yet… A Son is the Father. A Son is Jesus. For they are one Spirit. Simple. :-). Michael Christ PS Please Mighty1 let go of the DWS theology, it is as dead as an ‘it’. This says the Lord… "Do you want to know Me, or about the things that I do?"
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If man is not the Son of God he does not have the Son of God within him and is not of God. The word and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth were not his, but were taught him by the Father and living God as he declared. As he was taught Truth by coming to God; as he received the Holy Spirit from God; as he became the Son of God in this way; any and all who become the Son of God do so in this same way. It is God who brings the Son to be in mankind, by His Word and Truth. Jesus of Nazareth was merely the firstborn of many, the many Sons God shall raise up. The Son of God is Jesus, the Saviour from God by which God saves mankind, the Christ of God, the anointed and taught one of God, the Creation of God, who is the man God has created in His image and likeness. The commandment of Jesus of Nazareth is to ask God; to seek first His Kingdom and His righteousness. If man does not keep and follow these teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, he has refused the way established by God which is the salvation of God. No man may know who and what the Son of God is unless he comes to the Father in this way and receives knowledge and understanding from God, the Father and Creator of this one, in and by which the son is revealed in the Word from God, as he truly is. Whosoever allows the transforming works of God is transformed into this same Son and Christ of God. No man may receive nor know Jesus, the Saviour of God, unless he eats the spiritual body of the Son of God which comes to man from the table of God in meat and drink which the Living God provides for man to eat and drink. No man knows who and what the Son of God is unless he has received the white stone from God in which is written this name and the understanding of who receives this name from God; who is named by God to be His Son. Whosoever says he loves this man Jesus of Nazareth and does not know, keep, and follow his teachings and commandments is a liar. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Revelation of Jesus Christ. or The revelation of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Which one is Him, and which one is about Him? This says the Lord… "Do you want to know Me, or about the things that I do?" Correction. Correcting the Lord eh. The Revelation of Jesus Christ IS The Revelation of the Teachings of Jesus Christ. To say otherwise is to call Jesus Christ a liar. The only way to know the Father is to be the Son. Jesus is not a teaching mighty1, he is a Person. For example, a lecturer may give a lecture about himself, is the lecture the lecturer? No. The lecturer is something much more, he is a person. The Revelation of Jesus is Him, His Person. His teachings tell you **about** Him…His nature, His Father’s nature. The only way to know the Father is to be the Son. The only way to know the Father is through the Son. Yet, I am not ignorant of your theological stand…perhaps you better read this post again… ‘The Adopted (Chosen) Son of God.’ A Son is not the Father. A Son is not Jesus. Yet… A Son is the Father. A Son is Jesus. For they are one Spirit. Simple. :-). Michael Christ PS Please Mighty1 let go of the DWS theology, it is as dead as an ‘it’. This says the Lord… "Do you want to know Me, or about the things that I do?"
Son of God Spirit of Truth The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
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The revelation is but the realization of the teachings for yourself. Let me ask you something. Do you think it is possible for a man to desire God, seek God, and find God, and for God to reveal Himself to this man, without this man ever knowing of Jesus or the bible?
I believe that there are many ways to gain access to the spirit realm. I believe you can encounter spiritual realities without Jesus or the bible. I believe you can find gods, or guides within the spirit realm without Jesus or the bible. I believe that Abraham found his way to God and that thru him the spiritual lineage of Jesus was established thru faith. And this man, having had this relationship with God
Which god tho? It’s difficult for me to accept this god that encompasses a lot of divergent beliefs. If this god is thee god then we have ultimate truth embracing contradictory concepts. for several years, one day finds a bible, and finds that what Jesus taught in the bible, he himself had already been doing all along?
It would be my guess, in this case, that the eternal Jesus Christ had been guiding him all along. I know of people who have been led, protected by Jesus, and have had powerful encounters with Him before knowing who He was. Years after these original encounters they meet the eternal Jesus and have these mystical encounters grow as they grow in their prayer life. In my own case I sought God in a kind of desperate prayer one night when I was ten years old. His presence and love just burst into my heart bringing peace and a "knowledge" of Him for the first time. It took another 20 years before I accepted Him as Lord and Savior. It was 9 months after my "conversion" when, having spent 3 to 5 hours a day in the word, I went to a religious convention in Dallas. There I had a very powerful introduction to the Holy Spirit. After that the occurrence of the one encounter I had at age 10 became commonplace. Indeed His presence that imparts knowledge and revelation from Him has grown increasingly intense, omnipresent in my awareness. The Word and the Spirit combined have been my guide to the Living Jesus. It’s all been centered around the bible. If it isn’t in the Word and consistent with the Word then it isn’t accepted. The Word of the bible speaks revelation to the soul also. It’s not just a compilation of teachings. Because the Word is alive you cannot pick and choose parts of it. Who is this man?
Hopefully a man who has learned the teachings will become one with the eternal personage within the bible. Which teachings, which source, which god has he been learning of prior to finding a bible? There are a number of them out there. I would guess that when this man reads the bible he would be able to discern the truth of it’s eternal author, Jesus Christ, and in faith be able to accept the whole book and not pick and choose his own truth from it. To say otherwise is to call Jesus Christ a liar. The only way to know the Father is to be the Son. Is there scripture you’ve received that shows that to say otherwise is to call Jesus a liar or does that come just thru revelation? It is the revelation of the meaning of scriptures concerning Jesus and his teachings.
Again you place the revelation as your source of truth. Not arguing here, just making sure we’re on the same page. To say that what Jesus declared to be truth of a matter other than what he said is in other words calling him a liar.
Having a little trouble with your syntax here. You’re saying that if I say that Jesus said something He did not say that that makes Him a liar? Just wanting to make sure I understand. How do you be the son without knowing the Father if the revelation of Jesus comes from revelation from the Father? Read the parable of the prodigal son.
Are you saying you knew the Father before?
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Away with you two now, I have other business. Michael Christ
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Michael, your childish and infantile forms of temptation are merely that; temptation to enter into your perverted conversation concerning the matters from your perverted mind. Any person with any good sense sees and knows you are the temptor not of God; the accuser not of God; the teacher not of God; the son not of God; but do the works of your father who has created your mind and spirit; the liar and false accuser of the brethren of Christ. You epitomize this evil one and manifest this spirit in your word, continually attempting to attack and tear down the Truth of God; attempting to infer and insinuate by sly and subtle words the Truth of God is not the Truth of God. You have refused God as Your Father and Teacher and have elected to be the son of perdition. So be it and the consequences of your choosing. Go do your busienss as your father has taught you, for your time is short. Away with you two now, I have other business. Michael Christ
Son of God Spirit of Truth The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Revelation of Jesus Christ. or The revelation of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Which one is Him, and which one is about Him? This says the Lord… "Do you want to know Me, or about the things that I do?" Correction. The Revelation of Jesus Christ IS The Revelation of the Teachings of Jesus Christ. To say otherwise is to call Jesus Christ a liar. The only way to know the Father is to be the Son. Well said Mighty 1, we should all know that here on earth we cannot remain children for ever and must grow up. People can accept that we are all God’s children but have the most difficult time in accepting the responsiblilty that they too must become another son. Who said that God was only capable of having one son? Children who do not know that God is quite capable of extending his family. What little faith they have in big brother. All the children say "come and play in my yard and I will like you if you play like me. But if you go play in the big yard then you have to learn to cut the grass, pull the weeds and water the flowers and thats too much work And the other chidren say "You won’t feel like playing with me anymore you are getting too big for your britches so I won’t like you anymore. So there Na,na,na,na,na. And most fear losing friends and go play on the playground with all their toys and imagine they are going to be children forever. "As above so below" Thanks, Marlene
Marlene, would you consider yourself to be a daughter of god? When you speak of pulling the weeds, cutting the grass and watering the flowers what do you mean?
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The Revelation of Jesus Christ IS The Revelation of the Teachings of Jesus Christ.
So then the teachings of Jesus Christ come to you as a revelation. You have to develop a relationship with the Father to have Him reveal to you the Teachings of Jesus Christ? This only comes as you grow in union with the Father? To say otherwise is to call Jesus Christ a liar. The only way to know the Father is to be the Son.
Is there scripture you’ve received that shows that to say otherwise is to call Jesus a liar or does that come just thru revelation? How do you be the son without knowing the Father if the revelation of Jesus comes from revelation from the Father?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Revelation of Jesus Christ. or The revelation of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Which one is Him, and which one is about Him? This says the Lord… "Do you want to know Me, or about the things that I do?" Correction. The Revelation of Jesus Christ IS The Revelation of the Teachings of Jesus Christ. To say otherwise is to call Jesus Christ a liar. The only way to know the Father is to be the Son. Well said Mighty 1, we should all know that here on earth we cannot remain children for ever and must grow up. People can accept that we are all God’s children but have the most difficult time in accepting the responsiblilty that they too must become another son. Who said that God was only capable of having one son? Children who do not know that God is quite capable of extending his family. What little faith they have in big brother. All the children say "come and play in my yard and I will like you if you play like me. But if you go play in the big yard then you have to learn to cut the grass, pull the weeds and water the flowers and thats too much work And the other chidren say "You won’t feel like playing with me anymore you are getting too big for your britches so I won’t like you anymore. So there Na,na,na,na,na. And most fear losing friends and go play on the playground with all their toys and imagine they are going to be children forever. "As above so below" Thanks, Marlene Marlene, would you consider yourself to be a daughter of god? When you speak of pulling the weeds, cutting the grass and watering the flowers what do you mean?
Hi John, People tend to place their eyesight far away for signs of His coming, what most do not realize is that the signs were already created in the "beginning". All things were created in the beginning, there is nothing new on the face of the earth. That will not change if you believe in what the bible says. The signs are already here… So if we believe that God did indeed create all things in the beginning then we must look for signs in what He has already created. He is not going to send signs they are already we just have to learn to read the signs. In every part of creation there are signs. Have you heard the old saying " Stop and smell the roses" There is much truth in this sign. It is not that we worship roses or smells or even the earth for that matter as some will say. It is that we begin to work with what He already gave us. To me this has to do with appreciation, I can look at a rose, and I can see the wonder of beauty. I feel the petals and the silkiness and am amazed that God had the intelligence to create this beauty, I can smell the aroma and again I am amazed at His design, I wonder how in the world did he think to put this fragrance inside this rose. I can examine the stem and see that inside of the stem is the key to how this rose begins to show its beauty. All the detailed work he put into the stem of how the soil, water and sun play the most important role in how this rose blossoms and also the 5 leaves and the 3 leaves of a rose have to be a sign of something. Uh, oh, there are thorns I wonder what this sign could mean? I have to think about it and know that thorns are symbolic of thorns in our side, our thoughts and attitudes become thorns if we are not careful in our choices. If we get stuck we have to remove them, even in the winter the stems have thorns, the winter is a time to rest, to regroup and think about what we want for the future. Our spring is a time to sow new seeds of thoughts of what we desire in our God given world. Anytime I sow seeds of thoughts it is spring, everytime I suffer from the heat of summer I have to wonder what I sowed to make me reap this most uncomfortable situation I got myself in. Some of my seed thoughts fall on good ground and I reap benefits and feel the pleasures of being full of thought or thought-fulness. My harvest can be plenty as I reap the rewards of living in the Spirit ^, joys, laughter, happines, playfulness, being as a child, enjoying and appreciating the learning that stimulates my wanting to grow in the Spirit of God. . We all have to be careful and responsible for the seed thoughts that we sow. "Behold there went out a sower to sow." That is you and me and each one of us. Some of our seed thoughts fall by the wayside and we let the good messages become devoured by only accepting messages that really have no value, teaching or meaning. And then we sow our seed thoughts on stoney ground, we think about it for a short period of time, but it has no depth or meaning for us so we release it and it withers away. Sometimes we think about these seed thoughts and start to let them grow in us, but the thorns have their way of pricking us and the good seed is choked and cannot yield the good fruit. And then some fall on good ground, ( note: there is ground of the earth in solid matter and there is ground of the mind and then THERE IS GROUND. WHOSE GROUND? There is soil of the earth, then there is soil of the mind where the seeds are planted and then there is the real SOIL that helps us to tend to these fruits of labor. God gave us the earth, we have dominion over all the earth. He also gave us the world. The world and the earth are two separate things. The earth is made of material matter, The world is made of energy matter. We each create our own worlds on the earth by our thoughts, attitudes and emotions. Example: In my world I love to read the bible, in someone elses world they may not like to read the bible. I have no right to condemn them because it is not of my world or my business. I have to conduct my own business. I cannot go around and rule everyone elses world by how I think they should live in their world. In my world I am very careful of the thoughts I think, I try to be objective in my attitudes, I work to control my emotions. I don’t feel it is good for me and my world which my soul is a part of for my emotions to cause conflicts with others, ( jealousy, anger, resentment, boastfulness, etc, all these emotions speak for themselves and become demons inside of us that depressses or breaks down the Spirit of God. I’am responsible for the emotions I choose to live with inside of me. My temple is my building ground. Demons make us sick inside and also lame inside. We do not feel well inside and walk in the spirit of lowlifes inside. Look at an alcoholic, it is inside of his world that he holds his demon of desire for alcohol, it is also inside his world that he must *combat* his own struggles. Once he has made the transition from thinking that these demons possess him then he can release them and he takes on a new *outlook" of life. We all have our inside demons that keep us in an inside prison state of mind. It is this that the Master said, ‘Take heed of what you hear, not from the outside, but from the inside, chew on it for awhile and see for yourself for there is nothing hidden that will not be manifested, neither are there any secrets and if any man have the inner ears to hear then let him hear in his inward ears. For the *earth* bringeth up fruit for herself, first the blade, the (beginning of knowing), then the ear, ( corn grows the best at night, the darkenss cannot stop the ear from listening and growing in the spirit of truth) after that the *full corn in the ear.* There is much to reveal as revelations that reveal his Love and desires for us all. I guess it depends on what side of the sword we look at. The up side or the down side. The up side sparkles as the sun hits it and victory always shines when we listen and instead of being victims of our own world we use it as a tool to overcome our own enemies and fears by knowing that the power of God is within us to help us to conquer our own worthlessness. The down side is cast downwards and sees only shadows of truths and keeps us hanging upside down thinking that we were born to be victims of something or someone else. All we have to do is to have the courage to pick it up, point it only to ourselves and conquer our own demons, our own fears and our own enemies who become great and mighty beast that have led us into captivity after this the sword is pointed upwards and victory becomes a whole new life. I just want to say this, for everything you see with your physical eyes there is also a world of these same things that can be seen with inner eyes. When you see something, anything, look for a sign of his love and listen, for there is always more than one body and more than just a physical existence. John, I try to pull the weeds, my thoughts that are stubborn and will take over if I don’t choke them out. I water the flowers, the blossoming of growing in the spirit must be watered everyday. And the grass must be kept tended so that the moisture of the dew can fall on it which helps me to lie down in green pastures. Need I say more. Thanks for listening. Marlene
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The Revelation of Jesus Christ. or The revelation of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Which one is Him, and which one is about Him? This says the Lord… "Do you want to know Me, or about the things that I do?"
Correction. The Revelation of Jesus Christ IS The Revelation of the Teachings of Jesus Christ. To say otherwise is to call Jesus Christ a liar. The only way to know the Father is to be the Son.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Revelation of Jesus Christ. or The revelation of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Which one is Him, and which one is about Him? This says the Lord… "Do you want to know Me, or about the things that I do?" Correction. The Revelation of Jesus Christ IS The Revelation of the Teachings of Jesus Christ. To say otherwise is to call Jesus Christ a liar. The only way to know the Father is to be the Son. Well said Mighty 1, we should all know that here on earth we cannot remain
children for ever and must grow up. People can accept that we are all God’s children but have the most difficult time in accepting the responsiblilty that they too must become another son. Who said that God was only capable of having one son? Children who do not know that God is quite capable of extending his family. What little faith they have in big brother. All the children say "come and play in my yard and I will like you if you play like me. But if you go play in the big yard then you have to learn to cut the grass, pull the weeds and water the flowers and thats too much work And the other chidren say "You won’t feel like playing with me anymore you are getting too big for your britches so I won’t like you anymore. So there Na,na,na,na,na. And most fear losing friends and go play on the playground with all their toys and imagine they are going to be children forever. "As above so below" Thanks, Marlene
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The Revelation of Jesus Christ. or The revelation of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Which one is Him, and which one is about Him? This says the Lord… "Do you want to know Me, or about the things that I do?" Michael Christ
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – this is how u learn. Jesus died on the Cross for us, that was a very liberal act. most people in the christian right are afraid of dying, a very conservative act. isnt that interesting. Jesus was a liberal and u christians dont have a clue. I am a Christian (conversative) musician (liberal arts). Does that contradict? You are such a troll. You do not even make logical sense, much less spiritual sense.
if u are a conversative right wing christian then most likely u believe that u have been baptized and therefore u can do anything u want to. this is a false belief. there have been a few people in this newsgroup that that mentioned to me in the past that by giving up their right they believe they will get a chance to live longer. giving up your rights so u can live longer is a right wing christian republican ideal. to love is to be liberal. to love God is to give your love to God unconditionally, not to give love to only those that think just like u do. if u beleive are a right wing christian then u probably believe u should not love others but only those that give money to your church and believe just like u do. im not saying u are a right winger just clairifying , thanks — Love is all u need.
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this is how u learn. Jesus died on the Cross for us, that was a very liberal act. most people in the christian right are afraid of dying, a very conservative act. isnt that interesting. Jesus was a liberal and u christians dont have a clue.
Jesus had an ace up his sleeve. He knew he’d rise from the dead three days later. I don’t have that assurance. I _do_ know that when I die, I’ll be in his presence, and this gives me peace (even if death is about 60 years away, if I live as long as my Grandfather). — Donovan Hill Canadian, Linux User, All around nice guy!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – this is how u learn. Jesus died on the Cross for us, that was a very liberal act. most people in the christian right are afraid of dying, a very conservative act. isnt that interesting. Jesus was a liberal and u christians dont have a clue.
– Love is all u need.
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this is how u learn. Jesus died on the Cross for us, that was a very liberal act. most people in the christian right are afraid of dying, a very conservative act. isnt that interesting. Jesus was a liberal and u christians dont have a clue.
I am a Christian (conversative) musician (liberal arts). Does that contradict? You are such a troll. You do not even make logical sense, much less spiritual sense. — A is for Apple. — Hester Pryne
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There is no such thing as a conservative "true" Christian. You speak of being a religionist, not a Christian. DW Suiter Son of God
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – this is how u learn. Jesus died on the Cross for us, that was a very liberal act. most people in the christian right are afraid of dying, a very conservative act. isnt that interesting. Jesus was a liberal and u christians dont have a clue. I am a Christian (conversative) musician (liberal arts). Does that contradict? You are such a troll. You do not even make logical sense, much less spiritual sense. — A is for Apple. — Hester Pryne
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You don’t need to understand psychology you work Michael out. He wants to show you that he has risen above what he has perceived as the ‘lower’ level spiritualist activity.
You always judge according to what is in your own heart Saul. And yet he is at a quandary because he is clearly a bully and a control freak - and he knows it – yet he fights with this in an attempt to simulate humility.
You always judge according to what is in your own heart Saul. I guess he never understood John 6:26 or that he cannot seperate himself from his brothers.
You are no brother of mine Saul. The scribe does what all good Journalists do – he seeks out information (the more obscure and hard to lay hands on the better) and attempts to inflate his own communal status by showing that the interviewee has imparted his level of understanding upon the scribe – thus the scribe achieves the status he sought. If, however, the scribe fails to secure the interview to his satisfaction he still achieves a certain inflation of ego because he was taken notice of in the first place. Although he probably won’t live of the proceeds for as long as he might have liked. Scribes are like that – right Mick! Michael you are a very ingenius man – but you don’t want a brother – you want a wet nurse.
Your thoughts are all for evil Saul. His thoughts are not your thoughts. By the way, ingenuity has nothing to do with it. Michael
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As Jesus entered Capernaum a Scribe came to Him and said, "Teacher, why do you speak in ways that are so hard to understand?" Can you see what the Scribe is doing and trying to do? It is as common as toilet paper. Michael
It would have been uncommon indeed had the Scribe said, "Teacher, I don’t understand what you are saying, but I want to. What must I do to understand?" Brother Duane.
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Sure Mick!
Your thoughts are all for evil Saul. His thoughts are not your thoughts.
John 10 7Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8"All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9"I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10"The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. 11"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12"But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13"The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. 14"I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15"As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16"And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd thought I’d better paste it coz I know how often you bother with any references people give you. By the way, ingenuity has nothing to do with it.
No Pride has a lot to do with it tho’ and that word humlty what’s missing? ooooops sorry that woz a question. We’re not allowed to ask questions – Just March! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michael
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As Jesus entered Capernaum a Scribe came to Him and said, "Teacher, why do you speak in ways that are so hard to understand?" Can you see what the Scribe is doing and trying to do? It is as common as toilet paper. It would have been uncommon indeed had the Scribe said, "Teacher, I don’t understand what you are saying, but I want to. What must I do to understand?"
Indeed, instead of the Scribe acknowledging his lack he tries to justify what he is by dumping that lack on Jesus (his neighbour). So his action is twofold in the Spirit. The Scribe says, ‘I must increase and He must decrease’. Despite this, this is what Jesus replied… As Jesus entered Capernaum a Scribe came to Him and said, "Teacher, why do you speak in ways that are so hard to understand?"
Jesus said, "Am I the teacher or are you?" Michael
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It’s true, there is no darkness anywhere. people can only see a small portion of the Light. called the visible region. and so, they call the rest, "darkness" but actually, if you had eyes that could see all wavelengths of Light, you’d be blind because you wouldn’t be able to see the distinctions. and God doesn’t need eyes to see, because God simply knows where everything is. doesn’t mean God has no eyes, only that God doesn’t need them to see. one reason God is cloaked in unapproachable Light, is that God emits all wavelengths of Light.and your eyes will never be able to see the completeness of God, but God may manifest God’s presence with one directly. Halleluia!
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You look at them but you do not see. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure Mick! Your thoughts are all for evil Saul. His thoughts are not your thoughts. John 10 7Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8"All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9"I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10"The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. 11"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12"But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13"The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. 14"I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15"As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16"And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd thought I’d better paste it coz I know how often you bother with any references people give you.
Whether you quote chapter or verse or the Scripture it is irrelevant unless you state in your owns words what it means to you Any wanna be can quote. I liken it to hitting and hoping whilst at the same time trying to hide. So if you want me to take some notice, state what you are saying. The catch though, is that you will have to walk out into the light. Still, if you be of the truth, you should not be concerned, should you? . Michael you are a very ingenius man – but you don’t want a brother – you want a wet nurse. Your thoughts are all for evil Saul. His thoughts are not your thoughts. By the way, ingenuity has nothing to do with it. No Pride has a lot to do with it tho’ and that word humlty what’s missing? ooooops sorry that woz a question. We’re not allowed to ask questions – Just March!
It is hard for you to kick against the ‘pricks’ Saul. Better to MARCH in the right direction than to wander around in the circles of delusion. All you have to do Saul is to accept being told. Michael PS… 1) Your children have a clearer perception of reality than you. 2) They have more courage than you. 3) They do not have a delusion about where they stand. 4) They realise that they have to do as they are told. Now go and learn something from them…MARCH!
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As Jesus entered Capernaum a Scribe came to Him and said, "Teacher, why do you speak in ways that are so hard to understand?" Can you see what the Scribe is doing and trying to do? no skunks in the compost heap? There are no skunks in Australia, and yet, maybe there is. :-).
You don’t need to understand psychology you work Michael out. He wants to show you that he has risen above what he has perceived as the ‘lower’ level spiritualist activity. And yet he is at a quandary because he is clearly a bully and a control freak - and he knows it – yet he fights with this in an attempt to simulate humility. I guess he never understood John 6:26 or that he cannot seperate himself from his brothers. The scribe does what all good Journalists do – he seeks out information (the more obscure and hard to lay hands on the better) and attempts to inflate his own communal status by showing that the interviewee has imparted his level of understanding upon the scribe – thus the scribe achieves the status he sought. If, however, the scribe fails to secure the interview to his satisfaction he still achieves a certain inflation of ego because he was taken notice of in the first place. Although he probably won’t live of the proceeds for as long as he might have liked. Scribes are like that – right Mick! Michael you are a very ingenius man – but you don’t want a brother – you want a wet nurse. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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As Jesus entered Capernaum a Scribe came to Him and said, "Teacher, why do you speak in ways that are so hard to understand?" Can you see what the Scribe is doing and trying to do? It is as common as toilet paper. Michael
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As Jesus entered Capernaum a Scribe came to Him and said, "Teacher, why do you speak in ways that are so hard to understand?"
you look pensive Michael. no skunks in the compost heap? Can you see what the Scribe is doing and trying to do?
anyway, are you referring to an incident where Jesus was telling people that they must; "eat my flesh and drink my blood" and many around him said, "gee whiz dood, this is a hard thing to even listen to" because if you are, then I’d say that they left because they just didn’t grasp _who_ "was asking them for a drink of water" and that may be a common reaction to Jesus but Peter knew.
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As Jesus entered Capernaum a Scribe came to Him and said, "Teacher, why do you speak in ways that are so hard to understand?" Can you see what the Scribe is doing and trying to do? It is as common as toilet paper. anyway, are you referring to an incident where Jesus was telling people that they must; "eat my flesh and drink my blood"
No, Timothy. Michael PS… no skunks in the compost heap?
There are no skunks in Australia, and yet, maybe there is. :-).
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As Jesus entered Capernaum a Scribe came to Him and said, "Teacher, why do you speak in ways that are so hard to understand?" you look pensive Michael. no skunks in the compost heap? There are no skunks in Australia, and yet, maybe there is. :-).
what about Wombats? Can you see what the Scribe is doing and trying to do? anyway, are you referring to an incident where Jesus was telling people that they must; "eat my flesh and drink my blood" and many around him said, "gee whiz dood, this is a hard thing to even listen to" because if you are, then I’d say that they left because they just didn’t grasp _who_ "was asking them for a drink of water" and that may be a common reaction to Jesus but Peter knew. No, Timothy.
well, you should be.
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