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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently read these two passages and it causes me to wonder.  It seems clear that God has great plans for Ishmael. Genesis Chapter 16: 7-12 "The LORD’S messenger found her by a spring in the wilderness, the spring  on the road to Shur, and he asked, "Hagar, maid of Sarai, where have you come from and where  are you going?" She answered, "I am running away from my mistress, Sarai."  But the LORD’S messenger told her: "Go back to your mistress and submit to her abusive treatment. I will make your descendants so numerous," added the LORD’S messenger, "that they will be too many to count. Besides," the  LORD’S messenger said to her: "You are now pregnant and shall bear a son; you  shall name him Ishmael, For the LORD has heard you, God has answered you. He  shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against everyone, and everyone’s hand against him; In opposition to all his kin shall he encamp." Genesis Chapter 1: 12-21 But God said to Abraham: "Do not be distressed about the boy or about your slave woman. Heed the demands of Sarah, no matter what she is asking of  you; for it is through Isaac that descendants shall bear your name. As for the son of the slave woman, I will make a great nation of him also, since he  too is your offspring." Early the next morning Abraham got some bread and a  skin of water and gave them to Hagar. Then, placing the child on her back, he sent her away. As she roamed aimlessly in the wilderness of Beer-sheba,  the water in the skin was used up. So she put the child down under a shrub,  and then went and sat down opposite him, about a bowshot away; for she said to herself, "Let me not watch to see the child die." As she sat opposite him, he began to cry. God heard the boy’s cry, and God’s messenger called to Hagar from heaven: "What is the matter, Hagar? Don’t be afraid; God has heard the boy’s cry in this plight of his.  Arise, lift up the boy and  hold him by the hand; for I will make of him a great nation." Then God opened  her eyes, and she saw a well of water. She went and filled the skin with  water, and then let the boy drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the wilderness and became  an expert bowman, with his home in the wilderness of Paran. His mother got a wife for him from the land of Egypt. Then, there is what the CCC teaches in paragraph 841: "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind judge on the last day." What do we think about this. God’s Incarnation in the Person of Jesus Christ was the culmination of a promised Redeemer after the Fall of Adam and Eve.  This Incarnation revealed the Truth and Good News about God and how we can come back to His graces and attain our salvation.  The Jews, who were the chosen people whom God would reveal His Truth and Good News rejected Him and still do.  Christ cut off their inheritance and made a New Covenant with those who would follow His teachings and precepts in order to regain God’s love.  The new chosen people of God are now those who follow Christ’s teachings. Christ, before He ascended into Heaven, commanded His disciples to preach the Good News to all corners of the earth.  The Good News is that God atoned for our sins in the Person of Jesus Christ, who died, rose again and is now sitting in the right hand of the Father.  The Good News is that Jesus Christ, the Saviour and God, is the way to the Father… "I am the door. If anyone enter by me, he shall be saved:  and he shall go in, and go out, and shall find pastures."..John 10:9. This Good News must have been heard by Mohammed in Arabia,where he was born in about  AD 570.  At the time of Mohammed, Christianity was making its way among the tribes on the borders of Arabia.  There were also some Jewish tribes in western Arabia, particulary in the Hijaz and in Yemen.  So it is conceivable that Mohammed was able to ingest some Christian and Jewish teachings.  But instead of being converted to Christianity, he concocted his own kind of religion.  This religion does not recognize Jesus Christ as Saviour and God. The Jewish and Islamic religions have no hope of attaining salvation unless they accept Jesus Christ , the Promised Redeemer, as the Son of God and the Second Person in the Trinity.  The CCC diluted this teaching to reinforce the post Vatican II idea of ecumenism.   You are just a single-minded worthless ignorant..

Not worth the bytes to comment on. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Ad Jesum per Mariam, Carlque  "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies."  St. Jerome, 420 AD. +++Gil

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently read these two passages and it causes me to wonder.  It seems clear that God has great plans for Ishmael. Genesis Chapter 16: 7-12 "The LORD’S messenger found her by a spring in the wilderness, the spring  on the road to Shur, and he asked, "Hagar, maid of Sarai, where have you come from and where  are you going?" She answered, "I am running away from my mistress, Sarai."  But the LORD’S messenger told her: "Go back to your mistress and submit to her abusive treatment. I will make your descendants so numerous," added the LORD’S messenger, "that they will be too many to count. Besides," the  LORD’S messenger said to her: "You are now pregnant and shall bear a son; you  shall name him Ishmael, For the LORD has heard you, God has answered you. He  shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against everyone, and everyone’s hand against him; In opposition to all his kin shall he encamp." Genesis Chapter 1: 12-21 But God said to Abraham: "Do not be distressed about the boy or about your slave woman. Heed the demands of Sarah, no matter what she is asking of  you; for it is through Isaac that descendants shall bear your name. As for the son of the slave woman, I will make a great nation of him also, since he  too is your offspring." Early the next morning Abraham got some bread and a  skin of water and gave them to Hagar. Then, placing the child on her back, he sent her away. As she roamed aimlessly in the wilderness of Beer-sheba,  the water in the skin was used up. So she put the child down under a shrub,  and then went and sat down opposite him, about a bowshot away; for she said to herself, "Let me not watch to see the child die." As she sat opposite him, he began to cry. God heard the boy’s cry, and God’s messenger called to Hagar from heaven: "What is the matter, Hagar? Don’t be afraid; God has heard the boy’s cry in this plight of his.  Arise, lift up the boy and  hold him by the hand; for I will make of him a great nation." Then God opened  her eyes, and she saw a well of water. She went and filled the skin with  water, and then let the boy drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the wilderness and became  an expert bowman, with his home in the wilderness of Paran. His mother got a wife for him from the land of Egypt. Then, there is what the CCC teaches in paragraph 841: "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind judge on the last day." What do we think about this. God’s Incarnation in the Person of Jesus Christ was the culmination of a promised Redeemer after the Fall of Adam and Eve.  This Incarnation revealed the Truth and Good News about God and how we can come back to His graces and attain our salvation.  The Jews, who were the chosen people whom God would reveal His Truth and Good News rejected Him and still do.  Christ cut off their inheritance and made a New Covenant with those who would follow His teachings and precepts in order to regain God’s love.  The new chosen people of God are now those who follow Christ’s teachings. Christ, before He ascended into Heaven, commanded His disciples to preach the Good News to all corners of the earth.  The Good News is that God atoned for our sins in the Person of Jesus Christ, who died, rose again and is now sitting in the right hand of the Father.  The Good News is that Jesus Christ, the Saviour and God, is the way to the Father… "I am the door.  If anyone enter by me, he shall be saved:  and he shall go in, and go out, and shall find pastures."..John 10:9. This Good News must have been heard by Mohammed in Arabia,where he was born in about  AD 570.  At the time of Mohammed, Christianity was making its way among the tribes on the borders of Arabia.  There were also some Jewish tribes in western Arabia, particulary in the Hijaz and in Yemen.  So it is conceivable that Mohammed was able to ingest some Christian and Jewish teachings.  But instead of being converted to Christianity, he concocted his

  Again you are a clueless idiot…   Your knowledge on Islam is based on hearsay   and not on solid investigations.   One advice: stop making a fool of yourself – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – own kind of religion.  This religion does not recognize Jesus Christ as Saviour and God. The Jewish and Islamic religions have no hope of attaining salvation unless they accept Jesus Christ , the Promised Redeemer, as the Son of God and the Second Person in the Trinity.  The CCC diluted this teaching to reinforce the post Vatican II idea of ecumenism. — Ad Jesum per Mariam, Carlque  "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies."  St. Jerome, 420 AD. +++Gil

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently read these two passages and it causes me to wonder.  It seems clear that God has great plans for Ishmael. Genesis Chapter 16: 7-12 "The LORD’S messenger found her by a spring in the wilderness, the spring  on the road to Shur, and he asked, "Hagar, maid of Sarai, where have you come from and where  are you going?" She answered, "I am running away from my mistress, Sarai."  But the LORD’S messenger told her: "Go back to your mistress and submit to her abusive treatment. I will make your descendants so numerous," added the LORD’S messenger, "that they will be too many to count. Besides," the  LORD’S messenger said to her: "You are now pregnant and shall bear a son; you  shall name him Ishmael, For the LORD has heard you, God has answered you. He  shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against everyone, and everyone’s hand against him; In opposition to all his kin shall he encamp." Genesis Chapter 1: 12-21 But God said to Abraham: "Do not be distressed about the boy or about your slave woman. Heed the demands of Sarah, no matter what she is asking of  you; for it is through Isaac that descendants shall bear your name. As for the son of the slave woman, I will make a great nation of him also, since he  too is your offspring." Early the next morning Abraham got some bread and a  skin of water and gave them to Hagar. Then, placing the child on her back, he sent her away. As she roamed aimlessly in the wilderness of Beer-sheba,  the water in the skin was used up. So she put the child down under a shrub,  and then went and sat down opposite him, about a bowshot away; for she said to herself, "Let me not watch to see the child die." As she sat opposite him, he began to cry. God heard the boy’s cry, and God’s messenger called to Hagar from heaven: "What is the matter, Hagar? Don’t be afraid; God has heard the boy’s cry in this plight of his.  Arise, lift up the boy and  hold him by the hand; for I will make of him a great nation." Then God opened  her eyes, and she saw a well of water. She went and filled the skin with  water, and then let the boy drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the wilderness and became  an expert bowman, with his home in the wilderness of Paran. His mother got a wife for him from the land of Egypt. Then, there is what the CCC teaches in paragraph 841: "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind judge on the last day." What do we think about this. God’s Incarnation in the Person of Jesus Christ was the culmination of a promised Redeemer after the Fall of Adam and Eve.  This Incarnation revealed the Truth and Good News about God and how we can come back to His graces and attain our salvation.  The Jews, who were the chosen people whom God would reveal His Truth and Good News rejected Him and still do.  Christ cut off their inheritance and made a New Covenant with those who would follow His teachings and precepts in order to regain God’s love.  The new chosen people of God are now those who follow Christ’s teachings. Christ, before He ascended into Heaven, commanded His disciples to preach the Good News to all corners of the earth.  The Good News is that God atoned for our sins in the Person of Jesus Christ, who died, rose again and is now sitting in the right hand of the Father.  The Good News is that Jesus Christ, the Saviour and God, is the way to the Father… "I am the door. If anyone enter by me, he shall be saved:  and he shall go in, and go out, and shall find pastures."..John 10:9. This Good News must have been heard by Mohammed in Arabia,where he was born in about  AD 570.  At the time of Mohammed, Christianity was making its way among the tribes on the borders of Arabia.  There were also some Jewish tribes in western Arabia, particulary in the Hijaz and in Yemen.  So it is conceivable that Mohammed was able to ingest some Christian and Jewish teachings.  But instead of being converted to Christianity, he concocted his   Again you are a clueless idiot…   Your knowledge on Islam is based on hearsay   and not on solid investigations.   One advice: stop making a fool of yourself

Just shows how deep you can go with your observations, eh? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – own kind of religion.  This religion does not recognize Jesus Christ as Saviour and God. The Jewish and Islamic religions have no hope of attaining salvation unless they accept Jesus Christ , the Promised Redeemer, as the Son of God and the Second Person in the Trinity.  The CCC diluted this teaching to reinforce the post Vatican II idea of ecumenism. — Ad Jesum per Mariam, Carlque  "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies."  St. Jerome, 420 AD. +++Gil

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I recently read these two passages and it causes me to wonder.  It seems clear that God has great plans for Ishmael. Genesis Chapter 16: 7-12 "The LORD’S messenger found her by a spring in the wilderness, the spring on the road to Shur, and he asked, "Hagar, maid of Sarai, where have you come from and where are you going?" She answered, "I am running away from my mistress, Sarai."  But the LORD’S messenger told her: "Go back to your mistress and submit to her abusive treatment. I will make your descendants so numerous," added the LORD’S messenger, "that they will be too many to count. Besides," the LORD’S messenger said to her: "You are now pregnant and shall bear a son; you shall name him Ishmael, For the LORD has heard you, God has answered you. He shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against everyone, and everyone’s hand against him; In opposition to all his kin shall he encamp." Genesis Chapter 1: 12-21 But God said to Abraham: "Do not be distressed about the boy or about your slave woman. Heed the demands of Sarah, no matter what she is asking of you; for it is through Isaac that descendants shall bear your name. As for the son of the slave woman, I will make a great nation of him also, since he too is your offspring." Early the next morning Abraham got some bread and a skin of water and gave them to Hagar. Then, placing the child on her back, he sent her away. As she roamed aimlessly in the wilderness of Beer-sheba, the water in the skin was used up. So she put the child down under a shrub, and then went and sat down opposite him, about a bowshot away; for she said to herself, "Let me not watch to see the child die." As she sat opposite him, he began to cry. God heard the boy’s cry, and God’s messenger called to Hagar from heaven: "What is the matter, Hagar? Don’t be afraid; God has heard the boy’s cry in this plight of his.  Arise, lift up the boy and hold him by the hand; for I will make of him a great nation." Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water. She went and filled the skin with water, and then let the boy drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the wilderness and became an expert bowman, with his home in the wilderness of Paran. His mother got a wife for him from the land of Egypt. Then, there is what the CCC teaches in paragraph 841: "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind judge on the last day." What do we think about this? +++Gil

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently read these two passages and it causes me to wonder.  It seems clear that God has great plans for Ishmael. Genesis Chapter 16: 7-12 "The LORD’S messenger found her by a spring in the wilderness, the spring  on the road to Shur, and he asked, "Hagar, maid of Sarai, where have you come from and where  are you going?" She answered, "I am running away from my mistress, Sarai."  But the LORD’S messenger told her: "Go back to your mistress and submit to her abusive treatment. I will make your descendants so numerous," added the LORD’S messenger, "that they will be too many to count. Besides," the  LORD’S messenger said to her: "You are now pregnant and shall bear a son; you  shall name him Ishmael, For the LORD has heard you, God has answered you. He  shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against everyone, and everyone’s hand against him; In opposition to all his kin shall he encamp." Genesis Chapter 1: 12-21 But God said to Abraham: "Do not be distressed about the boy or about your slave woman. Heed the demands of Sarah, no matter what she is asking of  you; for it is through Isaac that descendants shall bear your name. As for the son of the slave woman, I will make a great nation of him also, since he  too is your offspring." Early the next morning Abraham got some bread and a  skin of water and gave them to Hagar. Then, placing the child on her back, he sent her away. As she roamed aimlessly in the wilderness of Beer-sheba,  the water in the skin was used up. So she put the child down under a shrub,  and then went and sat down opposite him, about a bowshot away; for she said to herself, "Let me not watch to see the child die." As she sat opposite him, he began to cry. God heard the boy’s cry, and God’s messenger called to Hagar from heaven: "What is the matter, Hagar? Don’t be afraid; God has heard the boy’s cry in this plight of his.  Arise, lift up the boy and  hold him by the hand; for I will make of him a great nation." Then God opened  her eyes, and she saw a well of water. She went and filled the skin with  water, and then let the boy drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the wilderness and became  an expert bowman, with his home in the wilderness of Paran. His mother got a wife for him from the land of Egypt. Then, there is what the CCC teaches in paragraph 841: "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind judge on the last day." What do we think about this. God’s Incarnation in the Person of Jesus Christ was the culmination of a promised Redeemer after the Fall of Adam and Eve.  This Incarnation revealed the Truth and Good News about God and how we can come back to His graces and attain our salvation.  The Jews, who were the chosen people whom God would reveal His Truth and Good News rejected Him and still do.  Christ cut off their inheritance and made a New Covenant with those who would follow His teachings and precepts in order to regain God’s love.  The new chosen people of God are now those who follow Christ’s teachings. Christ, before He ascended into Heaven, commanded His disciples to preach the Good News to all corners of the earth.  The Good News is that God atoned for our sins in the Person of Jesus Christ, who died, rose again and is now sitting in the right hand of the Father.  The Good News is that Jesus Christ, the Saviour and God, is the way to the Father… "I am the door.  If anyone enter by me, he shall be saved:  and he shall go in, and go out, and shall find pastures."..John 10:9. This Good News must have been heard by Mohammed in Arabia,where he was born in about  AD 570.  At the time of Mohammed, Christianity was making its way among the tribes on the borders of Arabia.  There were also some Jewish tribes in western Arabia, particulary in the Hijaz and in Yemen.  So it is conceivable that Mohammed was able to ingest some Christian and Jewish teachings.  But instead of being converted to Christianity, he concocted his own kind of religion.  This religion does not recognize Jesus Christ as Saviour and God. The Jewish and Islamic religions have no hope of attaining salvation unless they accept Jesus Christ , the Promised Redeemer, as the Son of God and the Second Person in the Trinity.  The CCC diluted this teaching to reinforce the post Vatican II idea of ecumenism.

  You are just a single-minded worthless ignorant.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Ad Jesum per Mariam, Carlque  "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies."  St. Jerome, 420 AD. +++Gil

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently read these two passages and it causes me to wonder.  It seems clear that God has great plans for Ishmael. Genesis Chapter 16: 7-12 "The LORD’S messenger found her by a spring in the wilderness, the spring on the road to Shur, and he asked, "Hagar, maid of Sarai, where have you come from and where are you going?" She answered, "I am running away from my mistress, Sarai." But the LORD’S messenger told her: "Go back to your mistress and submit to her abusive treatment. I will make your descendants so numerous," added the LORD’S messenger, "that they will be too many to count. Besides," the LORD’S messenger said to her: "You are now pregnant and shall bear a son; you shall name him Ishmael, For the LORD has heard you, God has answered you. He shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against everyone, and everyone’s hand against him; In opposition to all his kin shall he encamp." Genesis Chapter 1: 12-21 But God said to Abraham: "Do not be distressed about the boy or about your slave woman. Heed the demands of Sarah, no matter what she is asking of you; for it is through Isaac that descendants shall bear your name. As for the son of the slave woman, I will make a great nation of him also, since he too is your offspring." Early the next morning Abraham got some bread and a skin of water and gave them to Hagar. Then, placing the child on her back, he sent her away. As she roamed aimlessly in the wilderness of Beer-sheba, the water in the skin was used up. So she put the child down under a shrub, and then went and sat down opposite him, about a bowshot away; for she said to herself, "Let me not watch to see the child die." As she sat opposite him, he began to cry. God heard the boy’s cry, and God’s messenger called to Hagar from heaven: "What is the matter, Hagar? Don’t be afraid; God has heard the boy’s cry in this plight of his.  Arise, lift up the boy and hold him by the hand; for I will make of him a great nation." Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water. She went and filled the skin with water, and then let the boy drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the wilderness and became an expert bowman, with his home in the wilderness of Paran. His mother got a wife for him from the land of Egypt. Then, there is what the CCC teaches in paragraph 841: "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind judge on the last day." What do we think about this.

God’s Incarnation in the Person of Jesus Christ was the culmination of a promised Redeemer after the Fall of Adam and Eve.  This Incarnation revealed the Truth and Good News about God and how we can come back to His graces and attain our salvation.  The Jews, who were the chosen people whom God would reveal His Truth and Good News rejected Him and still do.  Christ cut off their inheritance and made a New Covenant with those who would follow His teachings and precepts in order to regain God’s love.  The new chosen people of God are now those who follow Christ’s teachings. Christ, before He ascended into Heaven, commanded His disciples to preach the Good News to all corners of the earth.  The Good News is that God atoned for our sins in the Person of Jesus Christ, who died, rose again and is now sitting in the right hand of the Father.  The Good News is that Jesus Christ, the Saviour and God, is the way to the Father… "I am the door.  If anyone enter by me, he shall be saved:  and he shall go in, and go out, and shall find pastures."..John 10:9. This Good News must have been heard by Mohammed in Arabia,where he was born in about  AD 570.  At the time of Mohammed, Christianity was making its way among the tribes on the borders of Arabia.  There were also some Jewish tribes in western Arabia, particulary in the Hijaz and in Yemen.  So it is conceivable that Mohammed was able to ingest some Christian and Jewish teachings.  But instead of being converted to Christianity, he concocted his own kind of religion.  This religion does not recognize Jesus Christ as Saviour and God. The Jewish and Islamic religions have no hope of attaining salvation unless they accept Jesus Christ , the Promised Redeemer, as the Son of God and the Second Person in the Trinity.  The CCC diluted this teaching to reinforce the post Vatican II idea of ecumenism. — Ad Jesum per Mariam, Carlque  "I never spared heretics and have always done my utmost so that the enemies of the Church should also be my enemies."  St. Jerome, 420 AD. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – +++Gil

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