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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Come on! Are you afraid to admit that your book of fairy tales is just that. Here are a few you can try to explain, unless you are just another blow hard theist parroting what you have heard from the Rev. Jim-Bob Jerry Robertson or any other fine sanctimonious scammer. *Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill." vs. *Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death." *Exodus 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal." vs. *Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."
The rest are as bad and all they show is this guys ignorance of Scripture. Pax Christi, Pat "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it; and whoever loses his life for my sake, he will save it." (Lk. 9:23-24)
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So you say the buybull is inerrant. Can any buybull b’lievin’ bigot answer any one of these contradictions?
I can attempt to answer a few of them. I’m no scholar, though and I can’t claim to know everything about the Bible. Just thought I’d warn you. 
Here are a few you can try to explain, unless you are just another blow hard theist parroting what you have heard from the Rev. Jim-Bob Jerry Robertson or any other fine sanctimonious scammer.
Never heard of him. *Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
A rule given to the people. vs. *Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."
The punishment for murder. I believe this law was fulfilled when Jesus came again–he said that those harsh laws were for the Israelites, who were at that time hard hearted. I don’t believe we should kill as a punishment for killing anymore. If you hadn’t already noticed, we have the same contradiction in American society. i.e.: "If you kill anyone, off you go to the electric chair" *Exodus 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal." vs. *Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."
Were they stealing? They were borrowing, and the owner of the donkey did not attempt to stop them, probably understanding who "The Lord" was. *Exodus 20:8 "Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy." vs. *Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy-day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days."
I need to think about this one. I’m not sure what you’re getting at. The second verse doesn’t say not to keep the Sabbath holy. It says not to let anyone judge you on how you observe those laws (how you worship, for the Sabbath day one), because Jesus fulfilled those laws when he came. *Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven . . . earth . . . water."
I think graven image here means and idol, or something that they would worship. vs. * Exodus 25:18 "And thou shalt make two cherubim’s of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them."
The cherubims were as decoration, not as idols. *Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works." vs. *Matthew 23:3,5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works. . . . all their works they do for to be seen of men."
I think that Matthew is saying not to do good works for the sake of you’re pride and reputation (as the Pharisees did) but not to be afraid to show that you are a Christian by your good deeds. (I can’t seem to put this into words properly. It’s a bit frustrating. I hope you understand what I’m trying to explain) *Luke 12:47,48 [Jesus speaking] "And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes." vs.
That is a parable that Jesus used to tell his disciples to be ready for the second coming of Christ. The "servant" is referring to a person who did not prepare himself for the second coming. The "master" is God. *Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called Masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."
In other words, don’t accept fancy titles, and don’t let people call you a "Master", because God is the only master. I have to say that these two verses had nothing to do with each other. <snip *Psalm 145:9 "The Lord is good to all." vs. *Jeremiah 18:11 "Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you."
If you look at the whole verse, you will see that the "evil" is punishment of the wicked. If people refuse the mercy and goodness of the Lord, and continue in wickedness, then they have no protection from punishment. Seems fair to me… *James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." vs. *Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
My Bible (NIV) says he TESTED Abraham, which seems to better explain why God had Abraham prepare to sacrifice his only son. It was a test, not a temptation. I don’t think Abraham was *tempted* for a moment to kill his son–he obviously didn’t want to. However, he had faith in God and did what he was told, completely trusting in Him. Tell us, which Bible do you have? *Acts 10:36 "The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ." vs. *Matthew 10:34 [Jesus Speaking] "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household."
Jesus did preach peace, but he knew that his coming would divide people, even families, as with a sword (I’d say the ’sword’ is figurative) *Matthew 5:22 [Jesus speaking] "Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire." vs. *Matthew 23:17 [Jesus speaking] "Ye fools and blind."
All I can say is that Jesus had a human side and he did get angry and frustrated. *II Kings 8:26 "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign." vs. *II Chronicles 22:2 "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."
It is possible that there were two ‘Ahaziah’s. I don’t know for sure. *Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." vs. *Genesis 2:18,23 "And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. . . . And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man
It is my thought that the second verse is an afterthought of the author. It may have been that after he had written about the creation, he felt he should explain in a little more detail as to how some things–in this case Eve–came about. There is no contradiction here. *II Samuel 6:23 "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death." vs. *II Samuel 21:8 "But the king took the two sons of Rizpah . . . and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul."
II Samuel 21:8 "But the king took Armoni and Mephibosheth, the two sons of Aiah’s daughter Rizpah, whom she had borne to Saul, together with the five sons of *Saul’s daughter MERAB.*… Notice it’s MERAB, not Michal in the second verse. They are two different women. Be a bit more careful with the names (if you got this list from someone else, you might want to actually read the passages in question before you post their "contradictions"). Like I said, I’m no Bible scholar (heck, I’m not even out of highschool yet), and I couldn’t answer all of the "contradictions", but I did answer more than one, which, if I remember correctly, you didn’t think anyone of us Bible believing "bigots" (I’d like to know what you mean by that. I don’t think I’m a bigot! could do. Peace, Margaret < – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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The punishment for murder. I believe this law was fulfilled when Jesus came again–he said that those harsh laws were for the Israelites, who were at that time hard hearted. I don’t believe we should kill as a punishment for killing anymore. If you hadn’t already noticed, we have the same contradiction in American society. i.e.: "If you kill anyone, off you go to the electric chair"
Be very careful how you consider the laws set forth in the Old Testament. In Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus states that he did not come to earth to banish the laws or the prophets. He says "For verily I say unto you, till Heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." He also says that anyone who continues to break the Laws will be called last in the kingdom of Heaven. I just thought I’d share that with you. Jeremiah McGowan
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<snip Be very careful how you consider the laws set forth in the Old Testament. In Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus states that he did not come to earth to banish the laws or the prophets. He says "For verily I say unto you, till Heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." He also says that anyone who continues to break the Laws will be called last in the kingdom of Heaven. I just thought I’d share that with
you. Yes, but did not Jesus say, "You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also…" (Matt 5: 38,39)? Throughout the gospels, Jesus’ message is one of peace and non-retaliation, which is why I believe that law (whoever murders will be executed) was fulfilled when he came. That doesn’t mean that murder is OK, but that we are not to take revenge and repay the perpetrator of a crime with a similar action. I can’t say I know this for sure, but that is what I’ve come up with after thinking and praying about it. Peace, Margaret < – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *II Samuel 6:23 "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death." vs. *II Samuel 21:8 "But the king took the two sons of Rizpah . . . and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul." II Samuel 21:8 "But the king took Armoni and Mephibosheth, the two sons of Aiah’s daughter Rizpah, whom she had borne to Saul, together with the five sons of *Saul’s daughter MERAB.*… Notice it’s MERAB, not Michal in the second verse. They are two different women. Be a bit more careful with the names (if you got this list from someone else, you might want to actually read the passages in question before you post their "contradictions"). Like I said, I’m no Bible scholar (heck, I’m not even out of highschool yet), and I couldn’t answer all of the "contradictions", but I did answer more than one, which, if I remember correctly, you didn’t think anyone of us Bible believing "bigots" (I’d like to know what you mean by that. I don’t think I’m a bigot! could do. Peace, Margaret <
The KJV does say Michal in 2Sam 21:8. The NKJV also says Michal, but notes to the name Merab. The NIV states the name Merab. It is quite probable that Merab was the natural mother of the 5 sons, but may have been raised or cared for by Michal. Just to clarify. God bless, Jay
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Just to clarify.
Thank you! I have the NIV so I guess that’s why he had a different name. Peace, Margaret <
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Yes, but did not Jesus say, "You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also…" (Matt 5: 38,39)? Throughout the gospels, Jesus’ message is one of peace and non-retaliation, which is why I believe that law (whoever murders will be executed) was fulfilled when he came. That doesn’t mean that murder is OK, but that we are not to take revenge and repay the perpetrator of a crime with a similar action. I can’t say I know this for sure, but that is what I’ve come up with after thinking and praying about it. Peace, Margaret <
Good point. However, you can’t necessarily let a murderer go unpunished. Also, the tactic of turning the other cheek is only practical in certain situations, as society has proven time and again. I guess what I’m saying is that it would be best to ‘turn the other cheek’, but a lot of times it’s just too dangerous to do so. If we were to do that with a serial murderer for instance, the guy isn’t going to stop killing people until *something* stops him. I think we should still consider the punishments and laws in the OT applicable, but only in situations where some other solution isn’t available. Jeremiah McGowan
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Good point. However, you can’t necessarily let a murderer go unpunished.
I never said that. Also, the tactic of turning the other cheek is only practical in certain situations, as society has proven time and again. I guess what I’m saying is that it would be best to ‘turn the other cheek’, but a lot of times it’s just too dangerous to do so.
I am a pacifist, so I disagree with you. I think that, at least for individuals, it is much better to show Christian love and non-resistance (it *does* work often, even when you’re attacker seems crazy or unreasonable), although, I can’t say for sure what I would do in a violent situation. I think that if it is my time to die, then I shouldn’t resist it, or only resist it to the point that I won’t hurt anyone, not even my attacker. If we were to do that with a serial murderer for instance, the guy isn’t going to stop killing people until *something* stops him.
And that is where the law comes in. We can’t take the law into our own hands. I think we should still consider the punishments and laws in the OT applicable, but only in situations where some other solution isn’t available.
There is always another solution to the death penalty, whether life imprisonment, rehab, or some other way. Even if it costs more (which I don’t think it would) I’d say a human life, no matter how corrupted or ruined is much more valuable than money anytime. About the OT laws: Jesus did say that although he did not come to abolish them, we should keep in mind that they were written for the Israelites, who at that time were hard hearted and stubborn. On the other hand, maybe we’re hard hearted too. Who knows? Peace, Margaret < – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jeremiah McGowan
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