Catholics & Catholicism

Question:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did Jesus Christ with His own mouth instruct any of His disciples to "write down" any of His teachings?  No.  With the exception of the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) by St. John the Apostle, Jesus Christ gives no such instructions to any of His disciples or Apostles.  In fact, only the Apostles Peter, John, James, Jude and Matthew were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write Scripture.  Why were the other seven not inspired of the Holy Spirit to "write" if the "written" Word of God is the only authority to be followed in the Christian religion? Some did:  their gospels just did not make it into the canon. Does the Bible state It is the sole or final authority of Christianity?  No.  Neither this statement nor anything even close to it appears anywhere in the New Testament.  In fact, Christ said that the Church is to resolve disputes among Christians, not Scripture (Matthew 18:17). This is scary . . . . .it is reasonable. What did Martin Luther, the Protestant Reformer, state about the Bible?  In his "Commentary On St. John," he stated the following: "We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we have received It from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of It at all."  Regardless of what non-Catholic Christians may think or say, according to secular, objective historians, the Catholic Church alone preserved Sacred Scripture throughout the persecution of the Roman Empire and during the Dark Ages.  All non-Catholic Christian denominations owe the existence of the Bible to the Catholic Church alone.  Why did God choose the Catholic Church to preserve Scripture if It is not His Church? A good question . . . . But actually copies of Christian scripture were lost or thrown out and survived in caves, waste pits,and other locations where the churches had no control over the manuscripts. The Catholic Church was the first Christian denomination to commission a mass printing of the Bible by asking Johannes Gutenberg, the inventor of the printing press, to do so in 1447.  Non-Catholic Christians may accuse the Catholic Church of not allowing the common people to read the Bible before the Reformation, but what good would it have done for the Catholic Church to widely distribute the Bible to the masses when over 90% of the common people were illiterate and couldn’t read anyway?  The Catholic Mass has always included Scriptural readings from both the Old and New Testaments and Catholic priests have always "preached" the Word of God to the common people throughout history. I must admit I am confused by this post.  It is perfectly reasonable, does not take excessive liberties with facts . . . what gives? Perhaps you have the poster confused with someone else! Axel Well, I checked the expanded headers, and they are mostly the same for this post and most of the other posts by IKHDY.  Spooky, isn’t it?  Do you think there might be hope for reasonable debate?

I may be mistaken, but I think IKHDY (IKnowHimDoYou) is not the same poster as IKMTY (IKnowMoreThanYou). In comparison; IKHDY is a Catholic basher, while IKMTY is a Catholic missionary. Axel

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Well, I checked the expanded headers, and they are mostly the same for this post and most of the other posts by IKHDY.  Spooky, isn’t it?  Do you think there might be hope for reasonable debate?

Probably not, since IKHDY is clearly a troll. — Tiger [Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did Jesus Christ with His own mouth instruct any of His disciples to "write down" any of His teachings?  No.  With the exception of the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) by St. John the Apostle, Jesus Christ gives no such instructions to any of His disciples or Apostles.  In fact, only the Apostles Peter, John, James, Jude and Matthew were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write Scripture.  Why were the other seven not inspired of the Holy Spirit to "write" if the "written" Word of God is the only authority to be followed in the Christian religion? Some did:  their gospels just did not make it into the canon. Does the Bible state It is the sole or final authority of Christianity?  No.  Neither this statement nor anything even close to it appears anywhere in the New Testament.  In fact, Christ said that the Church is to resolve disputes among Christians, not Scripture (Matthew 18:17). This is scary . . . . .it is reasonable. What did Martin Luther, the Protestant Reformer, state about the Bible?  In his "Commentary On St. John," he stated the following:  "We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we have received It from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of It at all."  Regardless of what non-Catholic Christians may think or say, according to secular, objective historians, the Catholic Church alone preserved Sacred Scripture throughout the persecution of the Roman Empire and during the Dark Ages.  All non-Catholic Christian denominations owe the existence of the Bible to the Catholic Church alone.  Why did God choose the Catholic Church to preserve Scripture if It is not His Church? A good question . . . . But actually copies of Christian scripture were lost or thrown out and survived in caves, waste pits,and other locations where the churches had no control over the manuscripts. The Catholic Church was the first Christian denomination to commission a mass printing of the Bible by asking Johannes Gutenberg, the inventor of the printing press, to do so in 1447.  Non-Catholic Christians may accuse the Catholic Church of not allowing the common people to read the Bible before the Reformation, but what good would it have done for the Catholic Church to widely distribute the Bible to the masses when over 90% of the common people were illiterate and couldn’t read anyway?  The Catholic Mass has always included Scriptural readings from both the Old and New Testaments and Catholic priests have always "preached" the Word of God to the common people throughout history. I must admit I am confused by this post.  It is perfectly reasonable, does not take excessive liberties with facts . . . what gives? Perhaps you have the poster confused with someone else! Axel

Well, I checked the expanded headers, and they are mostly the same for this post and most of the other posts by IKHDY.  Spooky, isn’t it?  Do you think there might be hope for reasonable debate? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did Jesus Christ with His own mouth instruct any of His disciples to "write down" any of His teachings?  No.  With the exception of the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) by St. John the Apostle, Jesus Christ gives no such instructions to any of His disciples or Apostles.  In fact, only the Apostles Peter, John, James, Jude and Matthew were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write Scripture.  Why were the other seven not inspired of the Holy Spirit to "write" if the "written" Word of God is the only authority to be followed in the Christian religion? Some did:  their gospels just did not make it into the canon. Does the Bible state It is the sole or final authority of Christianity?  No.  Neither this statement nor anything even close to it appears anywhere in the New Testament.  In fact, Christ said that the Church is to resolve disputes among Christians, not Scripture (Matthew 18:17). This is scary . . . . .it is reasonable. What did Martin Luther, the Protestant Reformer, state about the Bible?  In his "Commentary On St. John," he stated the following:  "We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we have received It from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of It at all."  Regardless of what non-Catholic Christians may think or say, according to secular, objective historians, the Catholic Church alone preserved Sacred Scripture throughout the persecution of the Roman Empire and during the Dark Ages.  All non-Catholic Christian denominations owe the existence of the Bible to the Catholic Church alone.  Why did God choose the Catholic Church to preserve Scripture if It is not His Church? A good question . . . . But actually copies of Christian scripture were lost or thrown out and survived in caves, waste pits,and other locations where the churches had no control over the manuscripts. The Catholic Church was the first Christian denomination to commission a mass printing of the Bible by asking Johannes Gutenberg, the inventor of the printing press, to do so in 1447.  Non-Catholic Christians may accuse the Catholic Church of not allowing the common people to read the Bible before the Reformation, but what good would it have done for the Catholic Church to widely distribute the Bible to the masses when over 90% of the common people were illiterate and couldn’t read anyway?  The Catholic Mass has always included Scriptural readings from both the Old and New Testaments and Catholic priests have always "preached" the Word of God to the common people throughout history. I must admit I am confused by this post.  It is perfectly reasonable, does not take excessive liberties with facts . . . what gives?

Perhaps you have the poster confused with someone else! Axel

Response:

Did Jesus Christ with His own mouth instruct any of His disciples to "write down" any of His teachings?  No.  With the exception of the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) by St. John the Apostle, Jesus Christ gives no such instructions to any of His disciples or Apostles.  In fact, only the Apostles Peter, John, James, Jude and Matthew were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write Scripture.  Why were the other seven not inspired of the Holy Spirit to "write" if the "written" Word of God is the only authority to be followed in the Christian religion?

Some did:  their gospels just did not make it into the canon. Does the Bible state It is the sole or final authority of Christianity?  No.  Neither this statement nor anything even close to it appears anywhere in the New Testament.  In fact, Christ said that the Church is to resolve disputes among Christians, not Scripture (Matthew 18:17).

This is scary . . . . .it is reasonable. What did Martin Luther, the Protestant Reformer, state about the Bible?  In his "Commentary On St. John," he stated the following:  "We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we have received It from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of It at all."  Regardless of what non-Catholic Christians may think or say, according to secular, objective historians, the Catholic Church alone preserved Sacred Scripture throughout the persecution of the Roman Empire and during the Dark Ages.  All non-Catholic Christian denominations owe the existence of the Bible to the Catholic Church alone.  Why did God choose the Catholic Church to preserve Scripture if It is not His Church?

A good question . . . . But actually copies of Christian scripture were lost or thrown out and survived in caves, waste pits,and other locations where the churches had no control over the manuscripts. The Catholic Church was the first Christian denomination to commission a mass printing of the Bible by asking Johannes Gutenberg, the inventor of the printing press, to do so in 1447.  Non-Catholic Christians may accuse the Catholic Church of not allowing the common people to read the Bible before the Reformation, but what good would it have done for the Catholic Church to widely distribute the Bible to the masses when over 90% of the common people were illiterate and couldn’t read anyway?  The Catholic Mass has always included Scriptural readings from both the Old and New Testaments and Catholic priests have always "preached" the Word of God to the common people throughout history.

I must admit I am confused by this post.  It is perfectly reasonable, does not take excessive liberties with facts . . . what gives?

Response:

Did Jesus Christ with His own mouth instruct any of His disciples to "write down" any of His teachings?  No.  With the exception of the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) by St. John the Apostle, Jesus Christ gives no such instructions to any of His disciples or Apostles.  In fact, only the Apostles Peter, John, James, Jude and Matthew were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write Scripture.  Why were the other seven not inspired of the Holy Spirit to "write" if the "written" Word of God is the only authority to be followed in the Christian religion? Does the Bible state It is the sole or final authority of Christianity?  No.  Neither this statement nor anything even close to it appears anywhere in the New Testament.  In fact, Christ said that the Church is to resolve disputes among Christians, not Scripture (Matthew 18:17). What did Martin Luther, the Protestant Reformer, state about the Bible?  In his "Commentary On St. John," he stated the following:  "We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we have received It from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of It at all."  Regardless of what non-Catholic Christians may think or say, according to secular, objective historians, the Catholic Church alone preserved Sacred Scripture throughout the persecution of the Roman Empire and during the Dark Ages.  All non-Catholic Christian denominations owe the existence of the Bible to the Catholic Church alone.  Why did God choose the Catholic Church to preserve Scripture if It is not His Church? The Catholic Church was the first Christian denomination to commission a mass printing of the Bible by asking Johannes Gutenberg, the inventor of the printing press, to do so in 1447.  Non-Catholic Christians may accuse the Catholic Church of not allowing the common people to read the Bible before the Reformation, but what good would it have done for the Catholic Church to widely distribute the Bible to the masses when over 90% of the common people were illiterate and couldn’t read anyway?  The Catholic Mass has always included Scriptural readings from both the Old and New Testaments and Catholic priests have always "preached" the Word of God to the common people throughout history.

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