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Who ever is chosen the new Pope, it will effect history. Simple fact. http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit
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For ffteen huindred years there was one interpratation. Catholic. http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit
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<damod…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:25837-4251B224-357@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m glad you enjoy my lovingJudy. > What do you mean original? > There was NOTHING but Catholic Christians for hundreds and hundreds of > years. > Direct descendants from the original. > The only contestant is the Ethiopian Coptic Church. > It wasn’t until the reformation that anybody was anything but Catholic > Christian. > For more then a century and a half,, > Christianity was Catholic. > Catholic means univeral. Open to all.
There was an Irish church for a while until I think the 7th century when Ireland was brought under the control of rome. Some of my Mum’s friends are into this "celtic christianity". They had their own cross with a circle aound the central bit, and I think it was quite different in matter of doctrine. — kes
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<damod…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:25837-4251B2DB-359@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net… > Who ever is chosen the new Pope, it will effect history. > Simple fact. > http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit
That is something that troubles me. The catholic church has a lot of power at the top. There is a lot of distance between the top of the heirarchy and the common believer. — kes
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> That is something that troubles me. The catholic church has a lot of power > at the top. There is a lot of distance between the top of the heirarchy and > the common believer.
i didn’t want to bring this issue up with Damo, but that’s my chief gripe about it. it’s fine and all, but i like decentralization. Baptist and Methodist have some order and hierarchy, but congregations have a lot of leeway in the way they conduct their services. i’m actually Protestant, but from a lesser-known denomination. m.
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The Catholics added very little, M If you think I don’t think the church is a dinosaur you are mistaken. It is a dinosaur. And it is irrevocasbley present. It is present. This is true. It also has immense socio-polical power besides being extremely rich. Catholisim is very real in the world. Myself? My faith is very weak. Damo http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit
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Organized faiths/religions are scary. No doubt about it. It’s caused a lot of problems. http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit
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<damod…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:22666-4251662F-320@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net… > Answer all these families in extreme faith based distress and imagne you > are incapable of error and all powerful concerning the gates of heaven? > Sometimes, shit happens is all….. > http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit
Is this your answer?
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YES, Judy. He had a traumatized "flock". He had to provide comfort. "The keys to the kingdom of heaven" "What you shall bind on earth will be bound in heaven. What you shall loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." He answered the distress of his "flock" by allowing infant baptism. And of course this rests on the question of papla infallibility which I am not ready to defend. As I said in an other post…. MANY, if not most Catholics have "umbrage" or variance , over the Popes "Ex Cathara" infallible statements. Its a major concern for Catholic Management…or it should be…. http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit
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"Judy" <jal…@easynet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:42516e73$0$25553$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk… > <damod…@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:22666-4251662F-320@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net… > > Answer all these families in extreme faith based distress and imagne you > > are incapable of error and all powerful concerning the gates of heaven? > > Sometimes, shit happens is all….. > > http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit > Is this your answer?
don’t bother, you already answered, I missed it.
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Yes Judy. The pope "made it so" that mothers could save their children from limbo. According to Catholic theology, he had the power. I, ME, DAMO, am not a good Catholic, but I know the faith. I consider myself a pan-religous personality. http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit
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Judy, I want to say this in front of the insane group here, I love you and I worry for you often. What? over five years now? Your negative opinion of me would cause me great distress. We can talk, okay? Damo http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit
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<damod…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:1798-425172D2-82@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net… > Judy, I want to say this in front of the insane group here, I love you > and I worry for you often. > What? over five years now? > Your negative opinion of me would cause me great distress. > We can talk, okay? > Damo > http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit
I apologise Damo. A personal thing. You always know stuff. Even if you don’t always talk about it. I was trying to make you talk, right? lol ( bully the information out of you) General. Yes, we go back all those years. And we’ve had a laugh or two. The sun is shining here now. But there is going to be a frost at the weekend. I think we get your rain over the week. Judy
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Of course, in the depths of the Black Plague the Pope gave an allowance for infant Baptism. And of course there is no "sentiment" on the part of the infant…… Unfortunately the church has yet to make an allowance for adult baptism when a person cosciously wants to enter the "church". I, personally, find it hard to defend against the protestants who argue against the infant baptism. Their point is well taken. But, they have no hstory when compared to Catholisim. Now I’ll get the flames from various fragmented christian belivers who lost the true callng due to the egoism of their founders. QUICK! Get my tinfoil helmet!!! http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit
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<damod…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:1798-425172D2-82@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net… > Judy, I want to say this in front of the insane >group here, I love you
i’m glad you love Judy so much. but isn’t it "Orthodox"? m.
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> Now I’ll get the flames from various fragmented >christian belivers who > lost the true callng due to the egoism of their >founders.
please. Catholicism is just one of many interpretations. i bet the original churches were very different. the Catholics have added a lot of stuff. so have Jehovah’s Witnesses and Church of Latter Day Saints. m.
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I’m glad you enjoy my lovingJudy. What do you mean original? There was NOTHING but Catholic Christians for hundreds and hundreds of years. Direct descendants from the original. The only contestant is the Ethiopian Coptic Church. It wasn’t until the reformation that anybody was anything but Catholic Christian. For more then a century and a half,, Christianity was Catholic. Catholic means univeral. Open to all. http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit
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See…when Rome was puttig up with varios throngs of masses of Barbarians from the stepps and Germany much sigificant contact was lost with Byzantium. Byzantium was the Eastern Center of the Roman empire and of the Church. Founded bythe emperor Justinian I believe. As the fates wold have it, Byzantium exsisted for a thousand years. One thousand years this militarized bastion of Catholicism withstood the tides of Change. As various "tribes"settled around them, heathens, al of em heathens, okay? They began to dress up ritual, art, pomp and circumstances in order to impress the "godless throngs". It DID work. Thus when both churches were able to regain contact, probably after the heathens had babies and decided to farm, they found that the orthadox had evolved in a different direction then the Church of Rome. 1000 years, this armed city on the straits of the Bospherous, stood impregnable. One day, after cannons were developed they hjad to eat a lot of shit as Moslim cannon and ships finally conquored Constantinople. They Called Byzantium Constinople in later years. That was another Roamn emperor. And the pathway to Europe was opened by the Islamic hoards crazed in blood lust. Then all honor has to be paid to the sacrifces of Austria and the serbs for stemming the godless rage of Islamic onslaught. Hay! The vistory of spain is GREAT. Unfortuately, since the Islamics baptized by the sword, "Hay, Bddy,You accept allah?" "Yes", you live, "No" you die. After these difficult times with Moslems celebrating God by killing people, the Church had many problems. One is the apostate issue. Once you "know" and then change your mind you are beyond all hope. Hell you get, forever stained through eternity. The church realized it had to become "flexible" on this issue because great numbers of eastern europeans and spanish went with having "God" save their lives, by declaring "ALLAH". It did. The Church I mean. It accepted "apostates" back into the Holy Roman See". MY my how things change. During the black plague many infants were dying. Great distress was occurring because withot Baptism all those infants were going to "Limbo’…..at east until the second comming. This was when the Catholic church (the pope) instituted infant baptism. Infant Baptism is an issue held against the church my many Christian congregations. It has to be done WILLINGLY. I know…. Answer all these families in extreme faith based distress and imagne you are incapable of error and all powerful concerning the gates of heaven? Sometimes, shit happens is all….. http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit
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